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  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    edited August 2018
    The most ridiculous thing about that ConHome article is the frankly ludicrous suggestion that Boris was making a "serious argument". As if the man were capable of such a thing.

    And, no "wiff waff bumble bumble Muslims eh? urrrrrrgh! can I be prime minister now?" isn't a serious argument.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    CD13 said:

    Dr Fox,
    But hardly a sacking offence as the more hysterical have suggested (yes, I know that includes some Tory colleagues of his, but Brexit has sent some of them barmy too).

    See, I don't know where *you* work, but if I started loudly and boorishly attacking ethnic minorities where *I* work, I think HR would very definitely see it as a sacking offence.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,112
    DavidL said:

    Just what Edinburgh needs in August. A ******* politician blocking up the streets. As if they were not cluttered with enough pond life already.
    Hey! I'll be in Edinburgh tomorrow and Friday! I'm not a politician, but would I qualify as 'pond life' ? :)

    Given the weather, I don't think I'll need my balaclava. But from reports, a coat might be in order ...
  • Foxy said:

    Die Linke, who are old school Communists, do continue to poll well in East Germany. A different sort of nostalgic throwback to AfD.
    "We Germans are experts at forgetting. We forgot we were Nazis. Now we have forgotten 40 years of Communism - all gone."
    - Bruno Ganz as Ernst Juergen in "Unknown" (2011).
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,611
    DavidL said:

    Chelsea have signed a Keeper called Kepa. Still not finding Mr Centre Forward though.

    Germany had a head of government called Cabbage. We went one better, and are led by someone with the personality of a cabbage.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,112
    Off-topic:

    I've just arrived back from dropping someone off at Stansted airport, and it did not seem much busier than usual. I arrive home, turn on the TV, and the local news' top story is about disruption at Stansted, with bustling scenes which are far busier than the ones I saw less than an hour before.

    Anecdata, eh? ;)
  • Germany had a head of government called Cabbage. We went one better, and are led by someone with the personality of a cabbage.
    #bantz






































    #awfulbantz
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    See, I don't know where *you* work, but if I started loudly and boorishly attacking ethnic minorities where *I* work, I think HR would very definitely see it as a sacking offence.
    This is the same pb where a lot of people thought that browsing extreme porn at work shouldn't be a sacking offence.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    See, I don't know where *you* work, but if I started loudly and boorishly attacking ethnic minorities where *I* work, I think HR would very definitely see it as a sacking offence.
    That is an indication of problems with workplace discipline rules these days. Howver, I do feel that bJ's juvenile comments were unnecessary and a strong indication of his unsuitability for the leadership of the Conservative party. I say this while disregarding the HYUFD polling analysis!
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,376
    Mr grabcocque,


    "See, I don't know where *you* work, but if I started loudly and boorishly attacking ethnic minorities where *I* work, I think HR would very definitely see it as a sacking offence."

    When I've discussed religious observance with Muslim colleagues, I never had animosity. Had I been a militant atheist, it may have been different.

    It probably helps that they were observant Muslims and knew I was Catholic. None were Isis supporters but one or two had Talban tendencies. I remember one of the latter asking why we didn't protest more at what he saw as the many insults to our religion.

    But we don't do we?




  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Honestly, the height of the sea will be the least of our problems. The total collapse of the food chain will mean it doesn't matter whether you drown or not. You will have starved already.
    Pointy sticks come first.

    With an increase in temperature of about 1.5-2.0 degrees rice doesn’t grow any more. That’s a lot of hungry people who might see Europe as a nice place to move to.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,766

    See, I don't know where *you* work, but if I started loudly and boorishly attacking ethnic minorities where *I* work, I think HR would very definitely see it as a sacking offence.
    ROFL

    better hope they dont follow you on PB
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,331

    See, I don't know where *you* work, but if I started loudly and boorishly attacking ethnic minorities where *I* work, I think HR would very definitely see it as a sacking offence.
    If you were abusing workplace colleagues, it might be a sacking offence.

    If your employer tried to discipline you for a newspaper article, then I think the law would be on your side.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited August 2018
    Charles said:

    Pointy sticks come first.

    With an increase in temperature of about 1.5-2.0 degrees rice doesn’t grow any more. That’s a lot of hungry people who might see Europe as a nice place to move to.
    The aversion to GM food would evaporate like the morning mist in that situation. There'd be temperature-tolerant rice strains in the fields within 24 months. [I am neither a botantist, nor an agronomist, nor a geneticist]
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Anorak said:

    The aversion to GM food would evaporate like the morning mist in that situation. There'd be temperature-tolerant rice strains in the fields within 24 months. [I am neither a botantist, nor an agronomist, nor a geneticist]
    Then they don’t reproduce. Then Solent Green.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,221

    I’ve had to deal with a Scotsman called ‘Willie Balloch’
    The key witness in the first big case I was involved with was called Randy Kruk.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Sean_F said:

    If you were abusing workplace colleagues, it might be a sacking offence.

    If your employer tried to discipline you for a newspaper article, then I think the law would be on your side.
    No comfort to Ken Livingstone.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    The racial divide is a huge issue where I live (Blackburn, one of the most racially divided and segregated towns in the UK).

    There are well argued reasons for the banning of the Niqab or Burka (communication, being able to see the person you are talking to, able to read body language, racial integration etc), of course Boris couldn't expand on that because he doesn't have the Emotional Intelligence to form a reasonable debate on the issue.

    Letter Boxes and Bank Robbers is typical Boris guff, he can't help himself.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,221
    Boris as PM - and Dominic Grieve out the Party? The membership are going to be warming to the idea.....
  • archer101auarcher101au Posts: 1,612
    Remainers seem scared to death of Johnson judging by today's reaction.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Jonathan said:

    Then they don’t reproduce. Then Solent Green.
    Is that where we eat the population of the Isle of Wight?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Remainers seem scared to death of Johnson judging by today's reaction.
    Having seen what's happened to Labour, and what's happened in the United States, too bloody right.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,456

    Remainers seem scared to death of Johnson judging by today's reaction.
    Not me. Boris is a busted flush desperate for attention.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited August 2018
    Starting to wonder whether the splintering of parties and factionalisation of the electorate will be the death knell for FPTP. I suspect it will take a Johnson or a Corbyn as PM to force the issue.

    If only somebody would write an article about the various other voting schemes we could use.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,877

    Off-topic:

    I've just arrived back from dropping someone off at Stansted airport, and it did not seem much busier than usual. I arrive home, turn on the TV, and the local news' top story is about disruption at Stansted, with bustling scenes which are far busier than the ones I saw less than an hour before.

    Anecdata, eh? ;)


    Either that, to you left some unfortunate at the wrong airport...
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    Nigelb said:


    Either that, to you left some unfortunate at the wrong airport...
    My wife once arranged a flight to Glasgow and a hire car.

    So we flew into Glasgow International to discover she'd booked the car at Prestwick.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,611
    Scott_P said:
    I don't expect Boris to become leader of the Labour Party.

    I won't be leaving, whoever is the leader.

    Why should I?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,112

    Remainers seem scared to death of Johnson judging by today's reaction.
    Boris is entertaining, but the problem is he's just not very good. His time as London Mayor was unremarkable at best, and his time as FS poor. He's lazy and a contravertialist, and will divide rather than bring together the party and the country.

    In short: I see little reason to think he'd be a good PM.

    However: he did beat Labour - twice - to become Mayor of London. He has something that *might* be electable. On the other hand, aside from that he's only ever stood as MP in safe seats.

    It's just that if he gets the job, he won't be very good. However none of the other major candidates seem very good, either. But most of them won't be quite so divisive, and might actually do some work.

    Such is the depths the Conservative Party have sunk to.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,947
    Anorak said:

    Starting to wonder whether the splintering of parties and factionalisation of the electorate will be the death knell for FPTP. I suspect it will take a Johnson or a Corbyn as PM to force the issue.

    If only somebody would write an article about the various other voting schemes we could use.

    Can't see either of them pushing the issue.

    The prospect of splits in the Tory party following a Boris coup would be some sort of silver lining, I guess.

    But where will all the not-Corbyn not-Boris folks go? That is where electoral reform will come from.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,947
    Wasn't this basically Gove's argument last time, from a different wing of the party?
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    Anyone seen the Iowa result?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited August 2018
    IanB2 said:

    Can't see either of them pushing the issue.

    The prospect of splits in the Tory party following a Boris coup would be some sort of silver lining, I guess.

    But where will all the not-Corbyn not-Boris folks go? That is where electoral reform will come from.
    It would need to be a push from the 60% of people between the political poles. At some point the votes to be gained from endorsing a shift to PR (or whatever) would outweigh the resistance to it.

    And we've already had a referendum on a change (to another pile-of shite-system) recently, which indicates that the vested interests can be overcome.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,947

    More United does seem to be still going, and larger than I'd expected
    "111,754 people making politics less extreme, less tribal and driven by you."
    https://www.moreunited.uk/latest
    But it's just an internet mailing list, and I am pretty sure I am in that figure, even though I have done nothing to help support or fund them and don't even back them any more, after they supported that obviously unsuitable Labour guy in that by-election.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,667
    Fenman said:

    Anyone seen the Iowa result?

    Yes, the Republican won by 1%.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Arsehole British tourist story #1697 of 2018
    https://www.thenational.ae/uae/transport/dubai-tourist-rents-dh1-3m-lamborghini-and-racks-up-dh175-000-in-fines-in-four-hours-1.757367
    What is it with idiots who think laws don’t apply to them overseas..?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,077

    Yes, the Republican won by 1%.
    ?? The GOP won by 1% in Ohio, no idea about Iowa.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,667
    I think Nadine inadvertently illustrates why *some* women like the burka. Lots of us feel that grid girls are being exploited for blokes to leer at, and some women feel that exposing themselves at all in public has the same problem. I think this shyness is a pity but not helpfully addressed by either derision (Boris) or a ban (Denmark), both of which will make them feel they can't go out at all.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,667
    Pulpstar said:

    Watching through it - as an aside you're not Ryan Kennedy on the SpaceX group are you ?
    Note
    https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/26/17379736/the-expanse-amazon-prime-season-four-saved
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,457
    edited August 2018



    However: he did beat Labour - twice - to become Mayor of London. He has something that *might* be electable. On the other hand, aside from that he's only ever stood as MP in safe seats.

    It's just that if he gets the job, he won't be very good. However none of the other major candidates seem very good, either. But most of them won't be quite so divisive, and might actually do some work.

    Such is the depths the Conservative Party have sunk to.

    He has the X factor - celebrity. Like Trump, Jesse Ventura and Arnold Schwarzenegger. They usually do well in single-candidate elections. Our general elections are not quite single-candidate yet, but they are heading that way.

    It's not the Conservative Party that's mainly at fault, it's the ghastly, vacuous celebrity obsession. But that doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Note
    https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/26/17379736/the-expanse-amazon-prime-season-four-saved
    Didn't know it was under threat! And finally a use for the prime subscription my wife signed up for and then never ever uses!!
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    I’ve had to deal with a Scotsman called ‘Willie Balloch’
    I have mentioned before the former Tory Staffordshire councillor Ramon Mycock...
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760


    I think Nadine inadvertently illustrates why *some* women like the burka. Lots of us feel that grid girls are being exploited for blokes to leer at, and some women feel that exposing themselves at all in public has the same problem. I think this shyness is a pity but not helpfully addressed by either derision (Boris) or a ban (Denmark), both of which will make them feel they can't go out at all.
    Lammy seems to think that he can criticise those who hold Christian beliefs yet will come to the defence of conservative Islamic dress if critiqued. The guy is something of an opportunist and has a rather curious ill-educated but loyal lynchmob who follow him on twitter. Perhaps even more so than Boris he is a perfect example of the diminishing quality of our politicians.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Brom said:

    Lammy seems to think that he can criticise those who hold Christian beliefs yet will come to the defence of conservative Islamic dress if critiqued. The guy is something of an opportunist and has a rather curious ill-educated but loyal lynchmob who follow him on twitter. Perhaps even more so than Boris he is a perfect example of the diminishing quality of our politicians.
    David Lammy is a practising Christian, even if not an expert on electing popes.
    https://www.canterburydiocese.org/david-lammy-mp-tells-christians-it-is-time-to-turn-up-the-volume-if-we-want-to-transform-society/
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    David Lammy is a practising Christian, even if not an expert on electing popes.
    https://www.canterburydiocese.org/david-lammy-mp-tells-christians-it-is-time-to-turn-up-the-volume-if-we-want-to-transform-society/
    Gosh I forgot about the smoke comment! Yes clearly he is something of a very lapsed christian otherwise he would have come across many people with views similar to Dorries in his congregation and would be able to understand her POV.
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171


    I think Nadine inadvertently illustrates why *some* women like the burka. Lots of us feel that grid girls are being exploited for blokes to leer at, and some women feel that exposing themselves at all in public has the same problem. I think this shyness is a pity but not helpfully addressed by either derision (Boris) or a ban (Denmark), both of which will make them feel they can't go out at all.
    So women wear the Burka because they are shy?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    The big story of the elections last night in America was Missouri voters rejecting the "right to work" law that was recently passed by the Republicans.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T

    I didn't know that the trade in illegal drugs is included in GDP figures. But according to a Radio 4 programme a couple of days ago, they are.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bd6jj7
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    Does anyone know why women in Iran and Afghanistan dress so differently now than they did in the 1970s. Have they all suddenly become shy, is it a fashion statement or are they forced to dress all the same now?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    currystar said:

    Does anyone know why women in Iran and Afghanistan dress so differently now than they did in the 1970s. Have they all suddenly become shy, is it a fashion statement or are they forced to dress all the same now?

    I can't think of anything that's changed in either of those places.

    Other than the Islamic Revolution and the rise of the Taliban. But I can't see why that would have anything to do with it...
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    Anorak said:

    I can't think of anything that's changed in either of those places.

    Other than the Islamic Revolution and the rise of the Taliban. But I can't see why that would have anything to do with it...
    So women are forced to dress in Burka's then
  • Anorak said:

    Is that where we eat the population of the Isle of Wight?
    Well yes, because we need somewhere safe when the Triffids arrive...
  • Personally, I think TSE would look rather lovely in a burqa.

    Mwah!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,393
    edited August 2018

    Yes, the Republican won by 1%.
    That's even closer than Brexit - but not as close as Wales 1997 :)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited August 2018
    AndyJS said:

    O/T

    I didn't know that the trade in illegal drugs is included in GDP figures. But according to a Radio 4 programme a couple of days ago, they are.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bd6jj7

    Yes, they changed it a couple of years ago to include estimates of things like drugs and prostitution, as if there’s any chance of the government getting a realistic estimate of the size of the black market.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,081

    Personally, I think TSE would look rather lovely in a burqa.

    Mwah!

    If Boris wore a burka, he'd find it a lot more difficult to put his foot in his mouth.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,221
    Sandpit said:

    Yes, they changed it a couple of years ago to include estimates of things like drugs and prostitution, as if there’s any chance of the government getting a realistic estimate of the size of the black market.
    It increased our contributions to the EU as a result:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/oct/24/drugs-prostitution-uk-gdp-eu-bill-increase
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,081
    Anazina said:

    I have mentioned before the former Tory Staffordshire councillor Ramon Mycock...
    I'm flabbergasted there has been no mention so far of former Labour MP Seymour Cocks.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sandpit said:

    Yes, they changed it a couple of years ago to include estimates of things like drugs and prostitution, as if there’s any chance of the government getting a realistic estimate of the size of the black market.
    They shouldn't have changed it IMO.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,081

    It increased our contributions to the EU as a result:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/oct/24/drugs-prostitution-uk-gdp-eu-bill-increase
    So including prostitution screwed us over?
  • currystar said:

    Does anyone know why women in Iran and Afghanistan dress so differently now than they did in the 1970s. Have they all suddenly become shy, is it a fashion statement or are they forced to dress all the same now?

    Not just those places, my mum, who grew up in Kerala in south India (which has a 25% Muslim community) reckons burqas are far more frequent than when she was growing up there. In fact, she says she hardly saw any back then.
    Traditional Kerala Muslim female costumes looked like this:

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3zMZxRIfUps/hqdefault.jpg
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171

    Not just those places, my mum, who grew up in Kerala in south India (which has a 25% Muslim community) reckons burqas are far more frequent than when she was growing up there. In fact, she says she hardly saw any back then.
    Traditional Kerala Muslim female costumes looked like this:

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3zMZxRIfUps/hqdefault.jpg
    Do you think Burqas are used to oppress women by men forcing them to wear them?
  • ydoethur said:

    If Boris wore a burka, he'd find it a lot more difficult to put his foot in his mouth.
    Knowing Boris, he'd put it on back to front and promptly walk into the nearest tree or lamp-post :lol:
  • currystar said:

    Do you think Burqas are used to oppress women by men forcing them to wear them?
    I would reckon in most cases, yes.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,221
    ydoethur said:

    So including prostitution screwed us over?
    From happy ending to the unhappy ending of Brexit.....
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487


    I think Nadine inadvertently illustrates why *some* women like the burka. Lots of us feel that grid girls are being exploited for blokes to leer at, and some women feel that exposing themselves at all in public has the same problem. I think this shyness is a pity but not helpfully addressed by either derision (Boris) or a ban (Denmark), both of which will make them feel they can't go out at all.
    In all fairness to Nadine, she has long since publicly renounced her opposition to gay marriage – choosing a fairly high profile women's magazine column to do so. As I recall, she was pretty contrite about it and says it was a major mistake of her career.
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171

    I would reckon in most cases, yes.
    I think so too, yet Boris is getting hammered for saying what he did, yet the whole concept of women wearing this nonsense outfit is defended as they are a bit shy and no one dare criticise their husbands/family for forcing women to wear it.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    Sean_F said:

    If you were abusing workplace colleagues, it might be a sacking offence.

    If your employer tried to discipline you for a newspaper article, then I think the law would be on your side.
    A friend of mine was recently given an official warning after making a political statement on her personal twitter feed (she resigned soon after, having been incensed and having found a better job). Given the fact that she had left anyway, she didn't pursue it but we commented at the time that the employer was on very dodgy ground legally – had she done so.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited August 2018
    Anorak said:

    It would need to be a push from the 60% of people between the political poles. At some point the votes to be gained from endorsing a shift to PR (or whatever) would outweigh the resistance to it.

    And we've already had a referendum on a change (to another pile-of shite-system) recently, which indicates that the vested interests can be overcome.
    Personally, I'll just stop voting. I don't see PR as being a particularly attractive system, though if someone were to write a column on the subject on an influential web site, I'd be happy to exam the merits of the various systems.
  • currystar said:

    I think so too, yet Boris is getting hammered for saying what he did, yet the whole concept of women wearing this nonsense outfit is defended as they are a bit shy and no one dare criticise their husbands/family for forcing women to wear it.
    Well, it would seem that some people take some sort of delight in being offended on behalf of Muslims.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,500
    New thread.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,376
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. JS, there was irritation a few years ago when the EU decided that drugs and hookers should be included in GDP stats when considering the financial contribution the UK should make.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,456
    Anorak said:

    Guido's tweeting like a coked-up baboon flinging shit about Boris and burqas.

    Rattled to extent I don't quite understand.

    He's still going, now talking about putting Brandon Lewis in a pink burka.
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