A senior Tory MP tells me chances of May being ousted this autumn are “100%” such is the rage at her handling of Brexit. Is she tonight pleading with Macron to give her something — anything — otherwise he will be dealing with Johnson or Gove? https://t.co/4o6beG4Id4
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She's managed to annoy the One Nation wing when she surrendered to Jacob Rees-Mogg over the amendments.
It is going to take a lot more than a tweet from a novelist to make me certain that a plan is in place.
Brexiteers need to be sterilised.
Looking down the last few threads makes depressing reading.
The Brexitists will sacrifice Scotland, Northern Ireland, the London (and SE) economy to realise their Trumpian nationalist dream.
It is often said, do not fear a strong opponent, fear an irrational one. The Brexitists are beyond irrational. They are ideologues, hell bent on their goal.
https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1025307212661641216
May is far preferable to the nationalists around her.
Agree. I'm assuming that the harder Brexiteers won't be able to get the huge number of votes together that are needed to finish her off in a confidence vote, in which case why would they waste what leverage they have on a challenge? The rest of the party surely won't want an episode of internecine warfare breaking out just a few months before the departure date?
The only way that May could plausibly be ejected in the Autumn is if all the factions could agree a position on Europe and a leader capable of selling it, so that they could crown a successor unopposed. Oh look, and here comes Lord Lucan riding Shergar.
One would've thought a more appropriate time to get rid of May would be next Summer, after she's served her purpose as a lightning conductor for any immediate disruption that might or might not be caused by Brexit. Then the party can have a proper leadership contest, hopefully in a less febrile atmosphere.
This time around they must pick the right man or woman to take on Corbyn. If the Far Left can be kept out of power for long enough then maybe the Labour moderates will finally relocate their spines and help to save us all from them?
https://twitter.com/OxonTories/status/1025472620895064070
Ousting her in the autumn, not now, is just so they ousters can avoid the very difficult task of attempting to get a better deal and so say it is all May's fault. I don't believe them.
The danger period for her will likely be after poor post Brexit local elections in May when we have likely only gone to BINO and before the transition period is due to end in December 2020 if as is likely there is no FTA agreed by then
Does he have a book being released soon and want any publicity?
Womp womp.
But if people who do have an idea of what they want, and claim that what they want is so super popular in the party and in the country, and would be more successful to boot, and yet have not taken action to at least try to put it into action? Well, they have to share in it then. Because I don't believe for one second that enough MPs could not be gathered for a vote against May, I don't believe, given the nature of the opposition to her proposals and the supposed clarity of plans as an alternative, that those opposed to her plan could not have done a lot more a long time ago.
So I can only conclude they didn't want to. Perhaps they thought they'd lose, that the MPs still don't back their plans enough. But if May's plans are as bad as they say, that is not an excuse for attempting not it.
So either they are gutless, or it is a deliberate strategy seeking to avoid responsibility. Whinges about how remainers are in the Great Offices of State don't work either, since for quite some time plenty seemed perfectly happy with what they thought May was after - now, it might be said, fairly, that they have changed their mind now they see what is occurring, but the basic principle has therefore been conceded that being a former Remain supporter does not mean, as is suggested, that you will cock things up, therefore that we have cocked up is not automatically, and solely, because of them having been Remainers.
Step 1) we don't need to do a deal, they will come crawling to us
Didn't work
Step 2) we can sidestep the EU by appealing to the national leaders
Didn't work
Step 3,4,5,6,7,8) repeat step 2
Didn't work
Step 9) Let's negotiate with ourselves and pretend that's the deal
Didn't work
Step 10) Let's try step 2 again.
Didn't work
Step 11) threaten them with by pointing out how badly they will suffer
Didn't work
Step 12) tell them we won't blink
Didn't work
Step 13) sulk and say it's all their fault
Didn't work
David Davis thought otherwise
https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/695208361625796608
YOU TOLD US ALL! THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF TIMES!!
Not really sure what point you are trying to make.
Classing it as a humiliation that she is trying to negotiate with the man is unfounded. Are nations not able to try and persuade people, and clearly be the more keen to get agreement, without it being a humiliation?
I find his books a bit hit or miss but I doubt very much that he needs piddly tweets to publicise them.
No Deal is not The Will Of The People.
It's a justifiable reason for resignation, I just cannot square it with not attempting a change in leadership right now. Well, that's not quite true. I can square it with those who are no deal supporters. But anyone who claims to want a deal and waits even a minute longer, a minute they could be spending pursuing the right kind of deal the right way, nope, not buying it.
"WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO TRADE AND JOBS WHEN WE VOTE LEAVE?
We will negotiate a new UK-EU deal based on free trade and friendly cooperation. We will carry on trading with Europe but we will also be able to negotiate trade agreements with other countries. This will help our economy grow and create more jobs.
Some claim we will not get a trade deal but there is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it. The idea that Britain will be the only country in Europe not to be part of this zone is silly. "
De Gaulle knew us better than we did ourselves and that if we did join the EEC we would do nothing but complain and hold back the Federalist core as it proved while also keeping our links with the US and Commonwealth
Now, it might not work, although it has to be admitted that Theresa May actually has quite a good record on this kind of thing (think her patient negotiations with France over controls in Calais, or with Jordan over Abu Hamza). But it's the sensible thing to try, non? So why* are people bitching?
* This is a rhetorical question.
Next time if you don't want a Remainer as PM, don't nominate an Andrea Leadsom
If you wanted a Leaver PM you should have elected one - GE 2017 will of the people must be respected.
One day you will have to admit (if only to yourself) that Brexit was a huge fecking mistake from start to finish.
All the leavers are either incompetent or cronies or politically inept but we were meant to follow their dream to the Brexit Land of Milk and Honey and Free Trade and No Foreign People and Proper Bananas.
So that explanation does not absolve them in my eyes. Either they don't really want a deal (and if they don't and never did, and are happy to say so, fine), or they are sniping without acting. Even if we accept they could not have quit before Chequers as the direction was not set, it is set now, and is apparently terrible and unpopular, so why not try something rather than wait for the EU to toss it out? What if, against the odds, May were to get them to back down? If they believe in a better deal, they should act. If they believe in no deal, they can just vote it down later, sure.
It says something that May's plan never looked realistic, is clearly doomed, and I still think she is at least trying to get something done about it all, and not just lining herself up for a future leadership contest (albeit because she knows she won't be fighting another one).
Or does that rule only apply to lefties promising "magic money trees" and "free owls"?
We may disagree in brexit, however, it's fair to say that remainers are in charge of the government. You control the four major power centres, you've sidelined the leavers that matter and presented a deal that no one really wants, not remainers, not the EU and definitely not leavers. Remainers are altogether useless, the big shame is that the leavers in our party have less spine than the remainers have use.
Good night all. For Tories who want rid of May, there is no benefit to dragging it out. Don't be the Labour moderates, whining and leaking without having the strength to act, even if you would lose.
Learning what a free trade agreement is?
It is diehard Remainers forecasting the apocalypse from next March not Leave voters
The Revolution only failed because we were too slow to purge the wreckers and kulaks.
Now, where did I hear that before...
- Joseph Goebbels, as portrayed in "Downfall" (2004)
Ideology is I think a form of mental illness, along the lines of obsession, or compulsion.
https://twitter.com/Sathnam/status/1025480687250493440
1. Cameron legislated for the vote and the vast majority of MPs backed the legislation, even though neither he nor most of them thought leaving the EU was a good idea. The original sin is actually that of the Remainer-in-Chief himself, Cameron, who put what he perceived to be the good of the Tory Party above the good of the country when he put the referendum pledge into his election manifesto - and much good it did him.
2. The Remainers then somehow contrived to lose the referendum, despite having the backing of the Government, most Conservatives, virtually the whole of the remainder of the political establishment of the United Kingdom save for the DUP and Ukip, sundry European figures (and Barack Obama) in guest roles, and the bulk of influential people in virtually every other field of endeavour in Britain that you can name. Not least because their campaign was so dismal and funereal and bloody awful, and basically not a patch on what Boris Johnson and half-a-dozen of his mates could scribble on the back of an old envelope in about 20 minutes.
3. Having thus enabled and facilitated the victory of the Leavers - which would never have happened if the Remainers hadn't made it so - a cabinet was formed to deal with the process that was full of people from both sides of the argument, and led by a Remainer. It is she who has been attempting to deal with the fallout from Cameron's terminally incompetent, career-ending political miscalculation.
4. Oh, and regarding red buses, warnings of the collapse of Western civilization, etc: Leave lied. So did Remain. Everyone bloody lied through their teeth.
The fingerprints of Remain and Leave backers are all over this entire process from beginning to end. They brought forward the referendum and they've been trying desperately to agree a direction after it. You could say that they're all in this together.
Given these circumstances it seems more than a little futile to go round and round in endless circles arguing about whose fault all of this is. Joint liability is shared by everyone involved.*
*except the SNP