Perhaps someone should explain to him that sending abortion back to a states rights issue (and there's no guarantee that would happen) doesn't mean it will be banned. Restricted perhaps (as it is in almost all Western countries) but banned is a very different matter.
Given the incredible and repeatedly ruled illegal efforts that states have taken to make abortion a practical impossibility I'd say 20 states making it flat out illegal would be an under count.
Okay then.
How about £50 bet with loser donating to PB ?
If 20+ US states have banned abortion by the end of 2019 I'll pay.
If under 20 US states have baned abortion by the end of 2019 you pay.
Time frame too tight for me given that the Dems are actually showing a spine on this and may drag it out. I had assumed they would roll over.
In paractical terms a lot of states might not actually ban abortion, they'll just pile on all the bullshit that had been previously ruled illegal and de facto ban abortion.
I don't think either of us wants to have to do a state by state search of functioning abortion facilities to see which way the bet falls.
So in other words in wont be banned but there will be varying restrictions from one state to another just as there are varying restrictions on abortion from one European country to another.
@Philip_Thompson yes, and many people who feel that they’ll be affected by political decisions obviously aren’t just going to see it as just an opinion. When I mentioned gay marriage as an example, that’s my point: it would obviously affect the lives of gay people who got married (I wasn’t thinking about gay marriage opponents).
Perhaps someone should explain to him that sending abortion back to a states rights issue (and there's no guarantee that would happen) doesn't mean it will be banned. Restricted perhaps (as it is in almost all Western countries) but banned is a very different matter.
Given the incredible and repeatedly ruled illegal efforts that states have taken to make abortion a practical impossibility I'd say 20 states making it flat out illegal would be an under count.
Okay then.
How about £50 bet with loser donating to PB ?
If 20+ US states have banned abortion by the end of 2019 I'll pay.
If under 20 US states have baned abortion by the end of 2019 you pay.
Time frame too tight for me given that the Dems are actually showing a spine on this and may drag it out. I had assumed they would roll over.
In paractical terms a lot of states might not actually ban abortion, they'll just pile on all the bullshit that had been previously ruled illegal and de facto ban abortion.
I don't think either of us wants to have to do a state by state search of functioning abortion facilities to see which way the bet falls.
So in other words in wont be banned but there will be varying restrictions from one state to another just as there are varying restrictions on abortion from one European country to another.
I'm saying is there any functional difference between a state where it is legally illegal to get an abortion and a state where there are zero abortion facilities so you cannot get an abortion?
Many american states have managed, through various dubious laws, to reduce the number of facilities to 2 or even just 1.
If they go down to zero due to, say, ludicrously specific facility requirements making the cost of running such a facility utterly economically impractical that is the equivalent of banning abortion.
Nick Timothy seems to be descending into madness. No doubt the sight of tens of thousands of Remainers marching in Birmingham for the Tory party conference will provoke another rant about how the people are letting Brexit down.
Today's Tesco Strawberry score is once again a boring eight:
Angus Perthshire Fife Staffordshire Cambridgeshire Herefordshire West Sussex Kent
At the risk of sounding uniformed, and only an occasional reader of political betting, what exactly is the 'Tesco Strawberry score'? I have an image of somebody driving madly to every county in the UK to find Tesco's that have sold out of strawberry! but i am guessing that's not it?
Its the location of origin of British strawberries in a Tesco I visit.
Its purpose is to give an indication of how likely or not we are to have 'crops rotting in the fields because there are no workers to pick them'.
Perhaps someone should explain to him that sending abortion back to a states rights issue (and there's no guarantee that would happen) doesn't mean it will be banned. Restricted perhaps (as it is in almost all Western countries) but banned is a very different matter.
Given the incredible and repeatedly ruled illegal efforts that states have taken to make abortion a practical impossibility I'd say 20 states making it flat out illegal would be an under count.
Okay then.
How about £50 bet with loser donating to PB ?
If 20+ US states have banned abortion by the end of 2019 I'll pay.
If under 20 US states have baned abortion by the end of 2019 you pay.
Time frame too tight for me given that the Dems are actually showing a spine on this and may drag it out. I had assumed they would roll over.
In paractical terms a lot of states might not actually ban abortion, they'll just pile on all the bullshit that had been previously ruled illegal and de facto ban abortion.
I don't think either of us wants to have to do a state by state search of functioning abortion facilities to see which way the bet falls.
So in other words in wont be banned but there will be varying restrictions from one state to another just as there are varying restrictions on abortion from one European country to another.
I'm saying is there any functional difference between a state where it is legally illegal to get an abortion and a state where there are zero abortion facilities so you cannot get an abortion?
Many american states have managed, through various dubious laws, to reduce the number of facilities to 2 or even just 1.
If they go down to zero due to, say, ludicrously specific facility requirements making the cost of running such a facility utterly economically impractical that is the equivalent of banning abortion.
So if you're saying that abortion is effectively impossible in much of the USA at present why should there be a fuss about Kennedy's replacement ?
And abortion rates in the USA are similar to those in other Western countries, indeed rather higher than most European countries, so it doesn't seem that these measures to effectively ban abortion have been particularly effective.
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Many american states have managed, through various dubious laws, to reduce the number of facilities to 2 or even just 1.
If they go down to zero due to, say, ludicrously specific facility requirements making the cost of running such a facility utterly economically impractical that is the equivalent of banning abortion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc29Z11ynpk
And abortion rates in the USA are similar to those in other Western countries, indeed rather higher than most European countries, so it doesn't seem that these measures to effectively ban abortion have been particularly effective.