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edited June 2018 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Trump’s Gallup approval rating drops a net minus nine in a week

We’ve now got the first Gallup approval ratings for the period entirely after the immigration clampdown that saw children being forcibly separated from their parents.

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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,879
    edited June 2018
    First.

    The whole Trump situation is a circus, and makes the US look an absolute joke. It'd be nice to sit back and watch except for the risk it creates for the rest of the world.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,247
    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1011189485449764869
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    TBH, looking at that graph the drop in Trump's approval ratings doesn't look outside the normal range of fluctuations. If anything, the previous rating looks like a slight outlier and this looks more like a reversion to trend.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,247
    edited June 2018
    I still think it is possible for Trump in 2020 to lose the popular vote by an even larger margin than in 2016 and still win the Electoral College.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,247
    I've staked £30 on Iran to win this.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,122
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I've staked £30 on Iran to win this.

    How much do you think the Iranian goalkeeper has bet?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,247
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I've staked £30 on Iran to win this.

    How much do you think the Iranian goalkeeper has bet?
    When I said Iran, I meant Morocco. Ahem
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,896
    Morocco !
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    StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    TBH, looking at that graph the drop in Trump's approval ratings doesn't look outside the normal range of fluctuations. If anything, the previous rating looks like a slight outlier and this looks more like a reversion to trend.

    The previous rating may also have been a reaction to positive headlines about North Korea. Whether those would naturally have decayed and how rapidly is hard to say for sure
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,896
    Mark Lawrenson commentary horrendously bias to Iran here
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,122
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I've staked £30 on Iran to win this.

    How much do you think the Iranian goalkeeper has bet?
    When I said Iran, I meant Morocco. Ahem
    That makes a little more sense. For all their attractive football and control of the ball the Spaniards look surprisingly unthreatening to me.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,789
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    TBH, looking at that graph the drop in Trump's approval ratings doesn't look outside the normal range of fluctuations. If anything, the previous rating looks like a slight outlier and this looks more like a reversion to trend.

    538 has him at 42/52, a level where you'd expect the Dems to take the House, but still possibly lose some Red State Senators.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,247
    edited June 2018
    Wooo the battle of the bastards last 16 match between Luis Suarez and Pepe is back on.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609
    Pulpstar said:

    Mark Lawrenson commentary horrendously bias to Iran here

    Fixed that for you.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,935
    edited June 2018
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I still think it is possible for Trump in 2020 to lose the popular vote by even larger margin than in 2016 and still win the Electoral College.

    Unlikely given he won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by less than 1%.

    Ironically the reverse may be the case especially if Sanders is his opponent, in areas of California like Orange County that voted for Hillary but are normally GOP his approval rating is up to 50% while nationally it is down to 41%. It is possible Sanders could win Pennsylvania and enough upper Midwest and rustbelt states to narrowly win the Electoral College but narrowly lose the popular vote to Trump as some suburban independents and moderate Republicans in New York and California who voted for Hillary over Trump hold their nose and vote for Trump to keep out Sanders
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,247
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I've staked £30 on Iran to win this.

    How much do you think the Iranian goalkeeper has bet?
    When I said Iran, I meant Morocco. Ahem
    That makes a little more sense. For all their attractive football and control of the ball the Spaniards look surprisingly unthreatening to me.
    Nah, it was on Iran, Carlos Queiroz knocking out Portugal is written in the stars
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,122
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I've staked £30 on Iran to win this.

    How much do you think the Iranian goalkeeper has bet?
    When I said Iran, I meant Morocco. Ahem
    That makes a little more sense. For all their attractive football and control of the ball the Spaniards look surprisingly unthreatening to me.
    Nah, it was on Iran, Carlos Queiroz knocking out Portugal is written in the stars
    Wonder where he is planning to retire?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,122
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Wooo the battle of the bastards last 16 match between Luis Suarez and Pepe is still back on.

    Did we not have that when Ronaldo took on Ramos? But Ramos is not allowed to break the bones of Real Madrid players.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,247
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I've staked £30 on Iran to win this.

    How much do you think the Iranian goalkeeper has bet?
    When I said Iran, I meant Morocco. Ahem
    That makes a little more sense. For all their attractive football and control of the ball the Spaniards look surprisingly unthreatening to me.
    Nah, it was on Iran, Carlos Queiroz knocking out Portugal is written in the stars
    Wonder where he is planning to retire?
    Manchester, he'll be Mourinho's replacement when Jose has his inevitable meltdown.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,007
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Wooo the battle of the bastards last 16 match between Luis Suarez and Pepe is back on.

    I thought you were going to talk abou Brexiteer infighting.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,247
    edited June 2018
    This is about the last thread.

    I reckon Wigmore and Farage are full of piss and wind.

    There's no way you can poll 60,000 people in a short space of time, no pollster has that capability.

    image

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1011235762795372544

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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited June 2018
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Mark Lawrenson commentary horrendously bias to Iran here

    Fixed that for you.
    are you sure you are not just showing your own bias?... and is he commentating? I thought he was a sidekick summariser?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609
    SquareRoot said:

    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Mark Lawrenson commentary horrendously bias to Iran here

    Fixed that for you.
    are you sure you are not just showing your own bias?... and is he commentating? I thought he was a sidekick summariser?
    I'm never sure of that.

    They may have a different terminology for the main and sidekick commentator, but both are usually listed as commentators for the game, and are talking about the same amount of time, so I don't think any distinction is really necessary.
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    ChelyabinskChelyabinsk Posts: 488
    edited June 2018
    'What made this particularly challenging for him were the TV pictures and sounds of the crying children on being taken away from their parents. It was a lot harder for the normal Trump response of “fake news”'

    Not that much harder, though.

    'In June 2018 social media users began circulating a heart-rending photograph depicting a sobbing toddler clutching the bars of a cage in which he is confined, usually accompanied by commentary stating that the image depicted a boy who had been detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in 2018... the photograph was taken on 10 June 2018, but it did not show a child confined by immigration authorities to a cage. Rather, it was snapped during a protest staged in front of Dallas City Hall' (1)

    'In May 2018, a photograph of two children sleeping inside a fenced enclosure was widely circulated via social media with accompanying text stating that it pictured a “kids’ concentration camp” in the U.S.... This photograph dates from 2014 (during the Obama administration) and was not directly related to a mid-2018 controversy over Trump administration policy of separating children from undocumented migrant parents at the U.S. border.' (2; this was tweeted by Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau and subsequently deleted when he was informed of its provenance).

    Then, of course, we have the Time cover of a crying young girl who was brutally separated from her family - by her mother, who abandoned her husband and three of her children in Honduras and paid $6,000 to a people smuggler to get her across the US border, presumably taking only the youngest of her children because she expected it to give her the best chance of claiming asylum.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609
    williamglenn said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Wooo the battle of the bastards last 16 match between Luis Suarez and Pepe is back on.

    I thought you were going to talk abou Brexiteer infighting.
    Nah, that's the scuffle of the scoundrels. Remainer infighting is the clash of the curs.

    It's important to keep these things clear,
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is about the last thread.

    I reckon Wigmore and Farage are full of piss and wind.

    There's no way you can poll 60,000 people in a short space of time, no pollster has that capability.

    image

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1011235762795372544

    And so is Carole.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,122
    Lovely goal from Portugal.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,007
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is about the last thread.

    I reckon Wigmore and Farage are full of piss and wind.

    There's no way you can poll 60,000 people in a short space of time, no pollster has that capability.

    image

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1011235762795372544

    At the time Isabel Oakeshott said it was 10,000.

    https://twitter.com/isabeloakeshott/status/746421771830583296?s=21
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,247
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is about the last thread.

    I reckon Wigmore and Farage are full of piss and wind.

    There's no way you can poll 60,000 people in a short space of time, no pollster has that capability.

    image

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1011235762795372544

    And so is Carole.
    Ben Page says it is possible but unlikely.

    As for Carole, she's letting her views cloud her judgment.

    Wake me up when Michael Crick starts running stories on this.

    That's when Leavers should get worried.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,311
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I still think it is possible for Trump in 2020 to lose the popular vote by an even larger margin than in 2016 and still win the Electoral College.

    It’s theoretically possible, but highly unlikely.
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    surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    Chelyabinsk said:

    'What made this particularly challenging for him were the TV pictures and sounds of the crying children on being taken away from their parents. It was a lot harder for the normal Trump response of “fake news”'

    Not that much harder, though.

    'In June 2018 social media users began circulating a heart-rending photograph depicting a sobbing toddler clutching the bars of a cage in which he is confined, usually accompanied by commentary stating that the image depicted a boy who had been detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in 2018... the photograph was taken on 10 June 2018, but it did not show a child confined by immigration authorities to a cage. Rather, it was snapped during a protest staged in front of Dallas City Hall' (1)

    'In May 2018, a photograph of two children sleeping inside a fenced enclosure was widely circulated via social media with accompanying text stating that it pictured a “kids’ concentration camp” in the U.S.... This photograph dates from 2014 (during the Obama administration) and was not directly related to a mid-2018 controversy over Trump administration policy of separating children from undocumented migrant parents at the U.S. border.' (2; this was tweeted by Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau and subsequently deleted when he was informed of its provenance).

    Then, of course, we have the Time cover of a crying young girl who was brutally separated from her family - by her mother, who abandoned her husband and three of her children in Honduras and paid $6,000 to a people smuggler to get her across the US border, presumably taking only the youngest of her children because she expected it to give her the best chance of claiming asylum.

    You have a heart of stone.
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    surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I still think it is possible for Trump in 2020 to lose the popular vote by even larger margin than in 2016 and still win the Electoral College.

    Unlikely given he won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by less than 1%.

    Ironically the reverse may be the case especially if Sanders is his opponent, in areas of California like Orange County that voted for Hillary but are normally GOP his approval rating is up to 50% while nationally it is down to 41%. It is possible Sanders could win Pennsylvania and enough upper Midwest and rustbelt states to narrowly win the Electoral College but narrowly lose the popular vote to Trump as some suburban independents and moderate Republicans in New York and California who voted for Hillary over Trump hold their nose and vote for Trump to keep out Sanders
    You think any Republican let alone Trump can will California or New York. I wouldn't even be so sure about Arizona or Texas.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/ottocrat/status/1011323668646039554
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited June 2018
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is about the last thread.

    I reckon Wigmore and Farage are full of piss and wind.

    There's no way you can poll 60,000 people in a short space of time, no pollster has that capability.

    image

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1011235762795372544

    And so is Carole.
    Ben Page says it is possible but unlikely.

    As for Carole, she's letting her views cloud her judgment.

    Wake me up when Michael Crick starts running stories on this.

    That's when Leavers should get worried.
    Michael has also been known to lose sense of perspective from time to time...I remember the infamous Crewe by-election where he had a conspiracy theory about the Tory doing something dodgy with canvasing data. And of course the Battle Bus story, he went way OTT on that, conflating all sorts of things in order to come with talk that so many results of seats could have been null and void that the GE2015 result could have been under threat.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    That Ronaldo - he's no Harry Kane......
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,122
    Justice done. That was never a penalty.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,247
    Yer fecking what?

    If you're from Manchester, Leeds or Sheffield, this professor thinks you're a southerner

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/youre-manchester-leeds-sheffield-professor-12778530
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,007
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/ottocrat/status/1011323668646039554

    The wisdom of Diane James.

    https://twitter.com/dianejamesmep/status/1011274340061646850?s=21
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,035
    Did I read that graphic of Ronaldo's penalties for Portugal as 8 scored and 5 now 6 missed ?

    With a record like that he's allowed to take them ???
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    DavidL said:

    Justice done. That was never a penalty.

    Nailed on penalty, in my view.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,247
    The one thing the world cup has shown is that England doesn't have the worst referees in the world.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The one thing the world cup has shown is that England doesn't have the worst referees in the world.

    It has also shown you can score a Portuegese wonder goal and still be a total wanker......
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,122
    tlg86 said:

    DavidL said:

    Justice done. That was never a penalty.

    Nailed on penalty, in my view.
    The defender stepped across in front of him gaining possession and control of the ball. He is entitled to do that, even if the person with the ball is Ronaldo.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,247
    MarqueeMark said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The one thing the world cup has shown is that England doesn't have the worst referees in the world.

    It has also shown you can score a Portuegese wonder goal and still be a total wanker......
    I've known that since Ronaldo joined Manchester United in 2003.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,096
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The one thing the world cup has shown is that England doesn't have the worst referees in the world.

    Well, let's not be in a Russia to judge them.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    DavidL said:

    Justice done. That was never a penalty.

    Nailed on penalty, in my view.
    The defender stepped across in front of him gaining possession and control of the ball. He is entitled to do that, even if the person with the ball is Ronaldo.
    The defender only had eyes for Ronaldo. He had no intention of gaining possession of the ball.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1011330794206453760
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    VAR, as useful as a chocolate fire guard.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited June 2018
    They really need a challenge system like cricket / tennis.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,242
    Wow
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    Spain really don't want to play Uruguay!
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,035
    Spain vs Uruguay should be a tasty game.

    That Moroccan who scored the brilliant own goal must now be feeling even sicker.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,007
    LOL
    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1011313290306293762?s=21
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,122
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    VAR, as useful as a chocolate fire guard.

    It's really spoiling this game. In fairness, this is the worst I have seen it.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,935
    edited June 2018
    surby said:

    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I still think it is possible for Trump in 2020 to lose the popular vote by even larger margin than in 2016 and still win the Electoral College.

    Unlikely given he won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by less than 1%.

    Ironically the reverse may be the case especially if Sanders is his opponent, in areas of California like Orange County that voted for Hillary but are normally GOP his approval rating is up to 50% while nationally it is down to 41%. It is possible Sanders could win Pennsylvania and enough upper Midwest and rustbelt states to narrowly win the Electoral College but narrowly lose the popular vote to Trump as some suburban independents and moderate Republicans in New York and California who voted for Hillary over Trump hold their nose and vote for Trump to keep out Sanders
    You think any Republican let alone Trump can will California or New York. I wouldn't even be so sure about Arizona or Texas.
    No but if Trump won a million more votes in each of California and New York he could win the national popular vote even if the Democratic candidate still won both states comfortably.

    Though of course Giuliani and Schwarzanneger and Pataki all won New York city, California or New York state at some point in the last 25 years for the Republicans
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,096
    williamglenn said:

    LOL
    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1011313290306293762?s=21

    Is it he or UKIP that's going Holmes?

    (Sorry, miserable day at work.)
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited June 2018
    williamglenn said:

    LOL
    twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1011313290306293762?s=21

    The first two are totally predictable, but so much for Benjamin claims of being a classical liberal (as he argued when interviewed by Dave Rubin).
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    Ref is called by VAR on a possible red card incident. So how come he gets to give a yellow?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    williamglenn said:

    LOL
    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1011313290306293762?s=21

    He probably has more face furniture than the entire remaining UKIP membership combined.....
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,935
    Hillary Clinton trashes both populists and the Electoral College in Oxford speech

    https://news.grabien.com/story-england-hillary-trashes-americas-electoral-college
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,122
    MarqueeMark said:

    williamglenn said:

    LOL
    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1011313290306293762?s=21

    He probably has more face furniture than the entire remaining UKIP membership combined.....
    He's well set up for a jump start anyway.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    VAR again....this is bloody stupid.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    HYUFD said:

    Hillary Clinton trashes both populists and the Electoral College in Oxford speech

    https://news.grabien.com/story-england-hillary-trashes-americas-electoral-college

    Bitter loser.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,035
    So its going to be Ronaldo vs Suarez now.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,122
    This is beyond farce. What utter nonsense.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609
    edited June 2018
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Yer fecking what?

    If you're from Manchester, Leeds or Sheffield, this professor thinks you're a southerner

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/youre-manchester-leeds-sheffield-professor-12778530

    My map is a northern area defined as ‘not London,’ where London’s sphere of influence extends over most of the country - determined by two-hour commuting patterns which is becoming the norm

    ...what was wrong with a geographic definition, albeit a fuzzy one?

    Oh gods Iran, you were so close there.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Hands up who thinks VAR is a good idea ?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Oh my god how did he miss that...
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Oh my god how did he miss that...

    Must be one of the biggest misses in this World Cup.

    I honestly thought he'd got it.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,007
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Yer fecking what?

    If you're from Manchester, Leeds or Sheffield, this professor thinks you're a southerner

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/youre-manchester-leeds-sheffield-professor-12778530

    By the same logic, if you’re from south of the river you should count as a northerner.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1011337045946589184
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Hands up who thinks VAR is a good idea ?

    Puts hands up. There are counter examples where it has been utilised well at this very world cup, and handled quicker. The problems are related to operation, not the principle. For instance, the VAR officials are overly harsh on situations where someone heads a ball into someone else's arm which they couldn'tt possibly avoid, and when they call over the ref to review it the expectation is they should overturn.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Hands up who thinks VAR is a good idea ?

    Hey, if it dumped Portugal out the cup.....
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,122
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Hands up who thinks VAR is a good idea ?

    The weird thing is that if this referee did not have VAR he might have had a decent game. He has got things right first time and then made truly perverse decisions looking at the replays.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,247
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Oh my god how did he miss that...

    That Iranian tosser cost me wonga.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    kle4 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Hands up who thinks VAR is a good idea ?

    Puts hands up. There are counter examples where it has been utilised well at this very world cup, and handled quicker. The problems are related to operation, not the principle. For instance, the VAR officials are overly harsh on situations where someone heads a ball into someone else's arm which they couldn'tt possibly avoid, and when they call over the ref to review it the expectation is they should overturn.
    It has to be a challenge based system. The current rules are just chaos.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    kle4 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Hands up who thinks VAR is a good idea ?

    Puts hands up. There are counter examples where it has been utilised well at this very world cup, and handled quicker. The problems are related to operation, not the principle. For instance, the VAR officials are overly harsh on situations where someone heads a ball into someone else's arm which they couldn'tt possibly avoid, and when they call over the ref to review it the expectation is they should overturn.
    It has to be a challenge based system. The current rules are just chaos.
    Yes, they haven't sorted out the best approach prior to this world cup. But it can work, and does not seem beyond even the remedial wit of Fifa to figure it out.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,896
    DavidL said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Hands up who thinks VAR is a good idea ?

    The weird thing is that if this referee did not have VAR he might have had a decent game. He has got things right first time and then made truly perverse decisions looking at the replays.
    The ref has had a shocker. Don't they realise stuff ALWAYS looks worse on slow Mo ?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    kle4 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Hands up who thinks VAR is a good idea ?

    Puts hands up. There are counter examples where it has been utilised well at this very world cup, and handled quicker. The problems are related to operation, not the principle. For instance, the VAR officials are overly harsh on situations where someone heads a ball into someone else's arm which they couldn'tt possibly avoid, and when they call over the ref to review it the expectation is they should overturn.
    Wait until England go out to a crazy VAR decision before deciding!
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,122
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Hands up who thinks VAR is a good idea ?

    The weird thing is that if this referee did not have VAR he might have had a decent game. He has got things right first time and then made truly perverse decisions looking at the replays.
    The ref has had a shocker. Don't they realise stuff ALWAYS looks worse on slow Mo ?
    2 penalties that weren't and a truly ridiculous booking for Ronaldo.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,035
    How have Spain got such a long unbeaten run with such a crap defence ?
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited June 2018
    HYUFD said:

    surby said:

    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I still think it is possible for Trump in 2020 to lose the popular vote by even larger margin than in 2016 and still win the Electoral College.

    Unlikely given he won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by less than 1%.

    Ironically the reverse may be the case especially if Sanders is his opponent, in areas of California like Orange County that voted for Hillary but are normally GOP his approval rating is up to 50% while nationally it is down to 41%. It is possible Sanders could win Pennsylvania and enough upper Midwest and rustbelt states to narrowly win the Electoral College but narrowly lose the popular vote to Trump as some suburban independents and moderate Republicans in New York and California who voted for Hillary over Trump hold their nose and vote for Trump to keep out Sanders
    You think any Republican let alone Trump can will California or New York. I wouldn't even be so sure about Arizona or Texas.
    No but if Trump won a million more votes in each of California and New York he could win the national popular vote even if the Democratic candidate still won both states comfortably.

    Though of course Giuliani and Schwarzanneger and Pataki all won New York city, California or New York state at some point in the last 25 years for the Republicans
    All three of those were quite moderate Republicans in their day, and might as well be Democrats by today's standards. And don't forget that Sanders or someone like him will bring the Jill Steiners etc back to the Dems, whilst not a few of the voters that they might drive away from the Dems would similarly go to other non-Trump parties like the Libertarians.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,007
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1011337045946589184

    Looks like Javid is serious about the leadership.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Surprising. If anyone didn't realise he was a complete cu*t by now they must be without sentience
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    ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    williamglenn said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1011337045946589184

    Looks like Javid is serious about the leadership.
    Does not add up, why go to the amateur part of the leave campaign when the professionals are available.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,896
    Looks like something important NATO related to be announced wet Boris being in Afghanistan. Soubrys tweet hasn't aged well today.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,007
    ralphmalph said:

    williamglenn said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1011337045946589184

    Looks like Javid is serious about the leadership.
    Does not add up, why go to the amateur part of the leave campaign when the professionals are available.
    The professionals are toxic and have egos that would get in the way. By going for the young hired help with unimpeachable leave credentials he can wrap hope to wrap up the Brexiteer vote without compromising his own room for manoeuvre.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Vanilla acts very strangely on my PC using Windows 7. With Chrome it runs ragged, but does let me sign in.
    With Explorer it doesn't let me even do that.

    Concerning Trump, let me just say that his face would look good on a three dollar bill.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,258
    ralphmalph said:

    williamglenn said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1011337045946589184

    Looks like Javid is serious about the leadership.
    Does not add up, why go to the amateur part of the leave campaign when the professionals are available.
    Javid feels exposed because he heavily flirted as a eurosceptic prior to the referendum, and then backed Remain.
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    ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    williamglenn said:

    ralphmalph said:

    williamglenn said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1011337045946589184

    Looks like Javid is serious about the leadership.
    Does not add up, why go to the amateur part of the leave campaign when the professionals are available.
    The professionals are toxic and have egos that would get in the way. By going for the young hired help with unimpeachable leave credentials he can wrap hope to wrap up the Brexiteer vote without compromising his own room for manoeuvre.
    Sorry, just wrong. Leave.EU was the dreggs of the leave campaign. Basically Banks and Farage with the support of Cash, Jenkin, Bone or the old dinosaurs. Vote Leave were the professionals and also stuffed full of Tory Spads, afterwards a few were appointed to the T May team. So they are much better connected to the Tory Party than anybody who worked for Leave.EU.
    Cummings is still involved with Boris and Gove.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,007
    Casino_Royale said:

    ralphmalph said:

    williamglenn said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1011337045946589184

    Looks like Javid is serious about the leadership.
    Does not add up, why go to the amateur part of the leave campaign when the professionals are available.
    Javid feels exposed because he heavily flirted as a eurosceptic prior to the referendum, and then backed Remain.
    He'll brainwash this young whipper-snapper into supporting his Brexit betrayal in no time. ;)
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    brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited June 2018
    MarqueeMark said:

    williamglenn said:

    LOL
    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1011313290306293762?s=21

    He probably has more face furniture than the entire remaining UKIP membership combined.....
    That is a picture of Mark Meechan not Paul Joseph Watson. The latter has a lot more you tube followers than UKIP has voters these days.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,258
    williamglenn said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    ralphmalph said:

    williamglenn said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1011337045946589184

    Looks like Javid is serious about the leadership.
    Does not add up, why go to the amateur part of the leave campaign when the professionals are available.
    Javid feels exposed because he heavily flirted as a eurosceptic prior to the referendum, and then backed Remain.
    He'll brainwash this young whipper-snapper into supporting his Brexit betrayal in no time. ;)
    If he calls you, then I’ll be worried.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,258
    Put me in the camp of those pissed off about the Swansea Tidal Lagoon project.

    I thought it was an extremely exciting new technology, with potential big wins for UK plc and pure energy security.

    Yes, it’s unproven and a bit pricey upfront (what new tech isn’t?) but i think it was worthy of further work, and would help regenerate some of our more deprived/isolated regions as well.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Casino_Royale said:

    Put me in the camp of those pissed off about the Swansea Tidal Lagoon project.

    I thought it was an extremely exciting new technology, with potential big wins for UK plc and pure energy security.

    Yes, it’s unproven and a bit pricey upfront (what new tech isn’t?) but i think it was worthy of further work, and would help regenerate some of our more deprived/isolated regions as well.

    Unusually, I completely agree with you. It's just crazy.
    Well, I guess we'll just have to content ourselves with HS2.
    And Brexit.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,035
    Casino_Royale said:

    Put me in the camp of those pissed off about the Swansea Tidal Lagoon project.

    I thought it was an extremely exciting new technology, with potential big wins for UK plc and pure energy security.

    Yes, it’s unproven and a bit pricey upfront (what new tech isn’t?) but i think it was worthy of further work, and would help regenerate some of our more deprived/isolated regions as well.

    I know very little about it but I think I agree.
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    VAR is only for grown-ups. You can use it in rugby (both codes) but as Pablo says, in football, all you'll get is the children playing to the camera.

    They don't understand that it still comes down to subjective decisions in some cases.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387
    Casino_Royale said:

    Put me in the camp of those pissed off about the Swansea Tidal Lagoon project.

    I thought it was an extremely exciting new technology, with potential big wins for UK plc and pure energy security.

    Yes, it’s unproven and a bit pricey upfront (what new tech isn’t?) but i think it was worthy of further work, and would help regenerate some of our more deprived/isolated regions as well.

    CR they wanted a strike price agreed for 90 years. 90 years! New nuclear only wants 35
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,035
    Today's Tesco Strawberry score is a disappointing six:

    Aberdeenshire
    Angus
    Staffordshire
    Herefordshire
    Surrey
    Kent

    There seems to be a pattern of low scores at the start of the working week slowly increasing to a weekend peak.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,035
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Put me in the camp of those pissed off about the Swansea Tidal Lagoon project.

    I thought it was an extremely exciting new technology, with potential big wins for UK plc and pure energy security.

    Yes, it’s unproven and a bit pricey upfront (what new tech isn’t?) but i think it was worthy of further work, and would help regenerate some of our more deprived/isolated regions as well.

    CR they wanted a strike price agreed for 90 years. 90 years! New nuclear only wants 35
    But wasn't it for a lot lower energy output ?
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