This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
The legality is important but the expectation is also important on a symbolic basis. When the UK remains tied to EU customs policy will now be a matter for the next Tory leadership election. I imagine any candidate who announces he will honour the end date gets a leg up.
fpt: The most amusing feature of the last 48 hours of shenanigans about Brexit is watching the pundits squirm that they haven't got a resignation so now they're urgung the EU to throw it out, while the never correct Robert Peston now believes DD won't be staying 'for long'. The only thing more shambolic that the two major political parties in the UK is the press reporting of them.
Edited addition: Sam Coates seems to be quite manic about all this - maybe he should go and have a lie down somewhere. His desperate attempts to sow discord are reminiscent of Lord Adonis - and he has never recovered!
fpt: The most amusing feature of the last 48 hours of shenanigans about Brexit is watching the pundits squirm that they haven't got a resignation so now they're urgung the EU to throw it out, while the never correct Robert Peston now believes DD won't be staying 'for long'. The only thing more shambolic that the two major political parties in the UK is the press reporting of them.
Edited addition: Sam Coates seems to be quite manic about all this - maybe he should go and have a lie down somewhere. His desperate attempts to sow discord are reminiscent of Lord Adonis - and he has never recovered!
Journalists are agents of chaos. They don't care other than that.
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
I think we just have.
Our position is now to stay in the CU as long as the EU finds that convenient.
As you say, probably the best Deal that we could get.
fpt: The most amusing feature of the last 48 hours of shenanigans about Brexit is watching the pundits squirm that they haven't got a resignation so now they're urgung the EU to throw it out, while the never correct Robert Peston now believes DD won't be staying 'for long'. The only thing more shambolic that the two major political parties in the UK is the press reporting of them.
Edited addition: Sam Coates seems to be quite manic about all this - maybe he should go and have a lie down somewhere. His desperate attempts to sow discord are reminiscent of Lord Adonis - and he has never recovered!
Journalists are agents of chaos. They don't care other than that.
Yes but when they bemoan, as they do constantly, our politicians for their ducking, diving and deception it is wonderfully funny when their own machinations are so completely exposed and they show that they can dish it out but don't like it right back at them!
fpt: The most amusing feature of the last 48 hours of shenanigans about Brexit is watching the pundits squirm that they haven't got a resignation so now they're urgung the EU to throw it out, while the never correct Robert Peston now believes DD won't be staying 'for long'. The only thing more shambolic that the two major political parties in the UK is the press reporting of them.
Edited addition: Sam Coates seems to be quite manic about all this - maybe he should go and have a lie down somewhere. His desperate attempts to sow discord are reminiscent of Lord Adonis - and he has never recovered!
Don’t forget James Chapman live Tweeting a mental breakdown last summer.
There’s a group of Westminster Villagers that have been driven completely nuts by brexit.
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
I think we just have.
Our position is now to stay in the CU as long as the EU finds that convenient.
As you say, probably the best Deal that we could get.
I thought this was in lieu of a new agreement, or were the EU never serious about this?
Theresa and Ollie have played a blinder. DD is little more than a shrunken husk, there to communicate his mistress's decrees to Barnier. As for the ERG: they should make Rees-Mogg Jnr their leader - he has more authority and standing than the present incumbent.
fpt: The most amusing feature of the last 48 hours of shenanigans about Brexit is watching the pundits squirm that they haven't got a resignation so now they're urgung the EU to throw it out, while the never correct Robert Peston now believes DD won't be staying 'for long'. The only thing more shambolic that the two major political parties in the UK is the press reporting of them.
Edited addition: Sam Coates seems to be quite manic about all this - maybe he should go and have a lie down somewhere. His desperate attempts to sow discord are reminiscent of Lord Adonis - and he has never recovered!
Don’t forget James Chapman live Tweeting a mental breakdown last summer.
There’s a group of Westminster Villagers that have been driven completely nuts by brexit.
Yes that’s the cabinet and a lot of the Tory party.
fpt: The most amusing feature of the last 48 hours of shenanigans about Brexit is watching the pundits squirm that they haven't got a resignation so now they're urgung the EU to throw it out, while the never correct Robert Peston now believes DD won't be staying 'for long'. The only thing more shambolic that the two major political parties in the UK is the press reporting of them.
Edited addition: Sam Coates seems to be quite manic about all this - maybe he should go and have a lie down somewhere. His desperate attempts to sow discord are reminiscent of Lord Adonis - and he has never recovered!
Don’t forget James Chapman live Tweeting a mental breakdown last summer.
There’s a group of Westminster Villagers that have been driven completely nuts by brexit.
Yes that’s the cabinet and a lot of the Tory party.
fpt: The most amusing feature of the last 48 hours of shenanigans about Brexit is watching the pundits squirm that they haven't got a resignation so now they're urgung the EU to throw it out, while the never correct Robert Peston now believes DD won't be staying 'for long'. The only thing more shambolic that the two major political parties in the UK is the press reporting of them.
Edited addition: Sam Coates seems to be quite manic about all this - maybe he should go and have a lie down somewhere. His desperate attempts to sow discord are reminiscent of Lord Adonis - and he has never recovered!
Don’t forget James Chapman live Tweeting a mental breakdown last summer.
There’s a group of Westminster Villagers that have been driven completely nuts by brexit.
Yes that’s the cabinet and a lot of the Tory party.
that would include yourself of course :-)
I’m enjoying Brexit and looking forward to hard Brexit.
It will bring long overdue austerity to the country, will be the perfect excuse to abolish working tax credits.
fpt: The most amusing feature of the last 48 hours of shenanigans about Brexit is watching the pundits squirm that they haven't got a resignation so now they're urgung the EU to throw it out, while the never correct Robert Peston now believes DD won't be staying 'for long'. The only thing more shambolic that the two major political parties in the UK is the press reporting of them.
Edited addition: Sam Coates seems to be quite manic about all this - maybe he should go and have a lie down somewhere. His desperate attempts to sow discord are reminiscent of Lord Adonis - and he has never recovered!
Don’t forget James Chapman live Tweeting a mental breakdown last summer.
There’s a group of Westminster Villagers that have been driven completely nuts by brexit.
It is when they realise they dont have the influence they thought they had...the realisation causes a mental blowup which they cant reconcile.
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
I think we just have.
Our position is now to stay in the CU as long as the EU finds that convenient.
As you say, probably the best Deal that we could get.
What irritates me is that we have been calling and calling the EU Department of Negotiating the Customs Union With The UK Once And For All and they never seem to answer the phone.
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
I think we just have.
Our position is now to stay in the CU as long as the EU finds that convenient.
As you say, probably the best Deal that we could get.
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
I think we just have.
Our position is now to stay in the CU as long as the EU finds that convenient.
As you say, probably the best Deal that we could get.
I thought this was in lieu of a new agreement, or were the EU never serious about this?
As you say, this is a backstop, in lieu of an agreement on avoiding a hard border in Ireland.
The EU has tabled a serious proposal. The UK government has still not been able to agree within itself on a counter proposal. Who isn't being serious here?
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
I think we just have.
Our position is now to stay in the CU as long as the EU finds that convenient.
As you say, probably the best Deal that we could get.
It's probably the one closest to the national mood of a soft Brexit. Enough to tell remainers were still talking enough to tell Leavers some blue water has appeared between us and them.
"Nine people have been arrested over allegations of fraud in connection with the Grenfell Tower fire. Eight men and one woman were detained by officers during raids at about 07:00 BST at 11 addresses, mainly in west London, the Met Police said. In a briefing, the force said two of the people arrested are linked but that all of the alleged offences are separate. The value of the alleged frauds range from £25,000 to £100,000."
"Nine people have been arrested over allegations of fraud in connection with the Grenfell Tower fire. Eight men and one woman were detained by officers during raids at about 07:00 BST at 11 addresses, mainly in west London, the Met Police said. In a briefing, the force said two of the people arrested are linked but that all of the alleged offences are separate. The value of the alleged frauds range from £25,000 to £100,000."
This was the element that Andrew O'Hagan didn't want to spend time on in his report and I understand why. There are criminals everywhere and it shouldn't detract from the main thrust of the investigation. It is a rather unpleasant sideshow, but a sideshow nevertheless.
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
I think we just have.
Our position is now to stay in the CU as long as the EU finds that convenient.
As you say, probably the best Deal that we could get.
... but is it in any way better than not leaving?
Nope. It's worse. That's why the people should now have a vote on the specific proposal.
The legality is important but the expectation is also important on a symbolic basis. When the UK remains tied to EU customs policy will now be a matter for the next Tory leadership election. I imagine any candidate who announces he will honour the end date gets a leg up.
It would then be up to them to find a clever way of kicking the can even further down the road, a contradictory policy will always be impossible to implement.
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
Remaining in the customs union but leaving the single market is daft as it is economically illiterate.
So if we’re staying in one we might as stay in both.
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
I think we just have.
Our position is now to stay in the CU as long as the EU finds that convenient.
As you say, probably the best Deal that we could get.
... but is it in any way better than not leaving?
Nope. It's worse. That's why the people should now have a vote on the specific proposal.
The fundamental difference is that we're not part of the political structure of the EU. That might be good enough for many many people.
fpt: The most amusing feature of the last 48 hours of shenanigans about Brexit is watching the pundits squirm that they haven't got a resignation so now they're urgung the EU to throw it out, while the never correct Robert Peston now believes DD won't be staying 'for long'. The only thing more shambolic that the two major political parties in the UK is the press reporting of them.
Edited addition: Sam Coates seems to be quite manic about all this - maybe he should go and have a lie down somewhere. His desperate attempts to sow discord are reminiscent of Lord Adonis - and he has never recovered!
Don’t forget James Chapman live Tweeting a mental breakdown last summer.
There’s a group of Westminster Villagers that have been driven completely nuts by brexit.
Yes that’s the cabinet and a lot of the Tory party.
that would include yourself of course :-)
I’m enjoying Brexit and looking forward to hard Brexit.
It will bring long overdue austerity to the country, will be the perfect excuse to abolish working tax credits.
well lets accept the conservatives have lost the plot.
the whole Brexit exercise was totally avoidable and started with Dave not knowing why he wanted to be PM when he got there
really this country has pissed the last twenty years away
Poundland to close stores and cut jobs. At long last. An economic consequence Brexit voters will understand. So long as someone explains it to them slowly.
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
I think we just have.
Our position is now to stay in the CU as long as the EU finds that convenient.
As you say, probably the best Deal that we could get.
... but is it in any way better than not leaving?
Nope. It's worse. That's why the people should now have a vote on the specific proposal.
The fundamental difference is that we're not part of the political structure of the EU. That might be good enough for many many people.
fpt: The most amusing feature of the last 48 hours of shenanigans about Brexit is watching the pundits squirm that they haven't got a resignation so now they're urgung the EU to throw it out, while the never correct Robert Peston now believes DD won't be staying 'for long'. The only thing more shambolic that the two major political parties in the UK is the press reporting of them.
Edited addition: Sam Coates seems to be quite manic about all this - maybe he should go and have a lie down somewhere. His desperate attempts to sow discord are reminiscent of Lord Adonis - and he has never recovered!
Don’t forget James Chapman live Tweeting a mental breakdown last summer.
There’s a group of Westminster Villagers that have been driven completely nuts by brexit.
Yes that’s the cabinet and a lot of the Tory party.
that would include yourself of course :-)
I’m enjoying Brexit and looking forward to hard Brexit.
It will bring long overdue austerity to the country, will be the perfect excuse to abolish working tax credits.
well lets accept the conservatives have lost the plot.
the whole Brexit exercise was totally avoidable and started with Dave not knowing why he wanted to be PM when he got there
really this country has pissed the last twenty years away
It was avoidable and now we'd have Ed Milliband as PM (although of course compared with what we've got now it would be a particularly sunny upland) and the Cons forever failing to win elections because of UKIP.
As I said, compared with the shitshow of today, not the worst scenario in the world, but Dave knew just what he was doing when he promised a referendum.
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
I think we just have.
Our position is now to stay in the CU as long as the EU finds that convenient.
As you say, probably the best Deal that we could get.
... but is it in any way better than not leaving?
Nope. It's worse. That's why the people should now have a vote on the specific proposal.
The fundamental difference is that we're not part of the political structure of the EU. That might be good enough for many many people.
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
Remaining in the customs union but leaving the single market is daft as it is economically illiterate.
So if we’re staying in one we might as stay in both.
The EU legal text on the back-stop covers customs union and standards and regulations (i.e. single market issues). The UK proposal only deals with CU issues so is likely to be rejected, not on the customs union proposal, but on missing out on the SM issues. The story isn't over yet. The end point is staying in both.
Poundland to close stores and cut jobs. At long last. An economic consequence Brexit voters will understand. So long as someone explains it to them slowly.
Are you sure about that ? I have seen no such news regarding this particular child co of Steinhoff.
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
I think we just have.
Our position is now to stay in the CU as long as the EU finds that convenient.
As you say, probably the best Deal that we could get.
... but is it in any way better than not leaving?
Nope. It's worse. That's why the people should now have a vote on the specific proposal.
The fundamental difference is that we're not part of the political structure of the EU. That might be good enough for many many people.
It might. I can see the attraction. It might not. Let them decide.
As I said on the previous thread Sam Coates is wrong to say that this is supposed to be a binding text. It is supposed to be a negotiating position. The binding text is still to come.
Having said that, as a negotiating position it makes your marzipan dildo look good. Who would accept this? What on earth does it mean? It is an agreement to agree unless they don't in which case, well, we work that out later.
fpt: The most amusing feature of the last 48 hours of shenanigans about Brexit is watching the pundits squirm that they haven't gotrd are reminiscent of Lord Adonis - and he has never recovered!
Don’t forget James Chapman live Tweeting a mental breakdown last summer.
There’s a group of Westminster Villagers that have been driven completely nuts by brexit.
Yes that’s the cabinet and a lot of the Tory party.
that would include yourself of course :-)
I’m enjoying Brexit and looking forward to hard Brexit.
It will bring long overdue austerity to the country, will be the perfect excuse to abolish working tax credits.
well lets accept the conservatives have lost the plot.
the whole Brexit exercise was totally avoidable and started with Dave not knowing why he wanted to be PM when he got there
really this country has pissed the last twenty years away
It was avoidable and now we'd have Ed Milliband as PM (although of course compared with what we've got now it would be a particularly sunny upland) and the Cons forever failing to win elections because of UKIP.
As I said, compared with the shitshow of today, not the worst scenario in the world, but Dave knew just what he was doing when he promised a referendum.
No that's simply refusing to understand why you lost support
It started with the modernisers not knowing how to modernise. To win an election the conservatives needed a broad church that meant keeping the right of the party on board while winning centre ground votes.
The numpties running it chased centre ground votes by pissing on their core supporters, telling them to fk off to ukip and then looked surprised when they did.
Furthermore Cameron had little interest in life outside the SouthEast
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
Remaining in the customs union but leaving the single market is daft as it is economically illiterate.
So if we’re staying in one we might as stay in both.
The EU legal text on the back-stop covers customs union and standards and regulations (i.e. single market issues). The UK proposal only deals with CU issues so is likely to be rejected, not on the customs union proposal, but on missing out on the SM issues. The story isn't over yet. The end point is staying in both.
It will be basically impossible to stay in both. If the EU agreed it for the UK, Norway would want both, Poland would say we will have some of that. It is a non-starter as a position. You can have one but not both, both to the EU means full membership of the EU.
I thought this was in lieu of a new agreement, or were the EU never serious about this?
It is. But if we agree something I like as a backstop, and you then ask me for something else that I like less, I will politely decline and stick to the backstop. Consequently, it would be surprising if anything were now agreed that is not the backstop.
The reason HMG had to agree a backstop is that the EU was unwilling to discuss anything further without it.
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
I think we just have.
Our position is now to stay in the CU as long as the EU finds that convenient.
As you say, probably the best Deal that we could get.
I thought this was in lieu of a new agreement, or were the EU never serious about this?
As you say, this is a backstop, in lieu of an agreement on avoiding a hard border in Ireland.
The EU has tabled a serious proposal. The UK government has still not been able to agree within itself on a counter proposal. Who isn't being serious here?
The EU have not tabled any proposals about a future treaty because of sequencing.
fpt: The most amusing feature of the last 48 hours of shenanigans about Brexit is watching the pundits squirm that they haven't gotrd are reminiscent of Lord Adonis - and he has never recovered!
Don’t forget James Chapman live Tweeting a mental breakdown last summer.
There’s a group of Westminster Villagers that have been driven completely nuts by brexit.
Yes that’s the cabinet and a lot of the Tory party.
that would include yourself of course :-)
I’m enjoying Brexit and looking forward to hard Brexit.
It will bring long overdue austerity to the country, will be the perfect excuse to abolish working tax credits.
well le
last twenty years away
It was avoidable and now we'd have Ed Milliband as PM (although of course compared with what we've got now it would be a particularly sunny upland) and the Cons forever failing to win elections because of UKIP.
As I said, compared with the shitshow of today, not the worst scenario in the world, but Dave knew just what he was doing when he promised a referendum.
No that's simply refusing to understand why you lost support
It started with the modernisers not knowing how to modernise. To win an election the conservatives needed a broad church that meant keeping the right of the party on board while winning centre ground votes.
The numpties running it chased centre ground votes by pissing on their core supporters, telling them to fk off to ukip and then looked surprised when they did.
Furthermore Cameron had little interest in life outside the SouthEast
So now you are saying that UKIP weren't fruitcakes, loonies, and closet racists? Exactly - he was modernising the party. If that means people fk off to UKIP hoorah, quite frankly.
I have a very good idea (short of @HYUFD's 100% certainty having interviewed every voter in the UK) why the referendum was lost - it was the classic: "what are you rebelling against? What have you got?"
It gave people an opportunity to make a difference when previously they had felt marginalised. It gave people who were suffering from any number of things, primarily GFC-related, a chance to choose something that could hardly have made their lives any worse. It gave people the power that they felt had been denied them for so long.
I am perfectly aware that a line that said: "modern, collaborative capitalism - not going to get you untrammelled riches, but the best we've got for the moment"....was not going to swing it.
If we end up in the single market and customs union, paying for the privilege of being governed by the foreign body the electorate voted to leave, the public will have nothing but contempt for the political class that has sold them down the river and denied the referendum result because the voters had the temerity to disagree with the consensus of the Westminster village.
In happier news, there's a race this weekend, so that at least should provide some welcome distraction.
I thought this was in lieu of a new agreement, or were the EU never serious about this?
It is. But if we agree something I like as a backstop, and you then ask me for something else that I like less, I will politely decline and stick to the backstop. Consequently, it would be surprising if anything were now agreed that is not the backstop.
The reason HMG had to agree a backstop is that the EU was unwilling to discuss anything further without it.
So the EU were never serious about negotiating anything else?
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
Remaining in the customs union but leaving the single market is daft as it is economically illiterate.
So if we’re staying in one we might as stay in both.
The EU legal text on the back-stop covers customs union and standards and regulations (i.e. single market issues). The UK proposal only deals with CU issues so is likely to be rejected, not on the customs union proposal, but on missing out on the SM issues. The story isn't over yet. The end point is staying in both.
It will be basically impossible to stay in both. If the EU agreed it for the UK, Norway would want both, Poland would say we will have some of that. It is a non-starter as a position. You can have one but not both, both to the EU means full membership of the EU.
Then that is what will happen. We will not be leaving.
If we end up in the single market and customs union, paying for the privilege of being governed by the foreign body the electorate voted to leave, the public will have nothing but contempt for the political class that has sold them down the river and denied the referendum result because the voters had the temerity to disagree with the consensus of the Westminster village.
Or they'll have contempt for the numpties that promised them the moon on a stick, which, surprise!, turned out to be impossible to deliver.
fpt: The most amusing feature of the last 48 hours of shenanigans about Brexit is watching the pundits squirm that they haven't gotrd are reminiscent of Lord Adonis - and he has never recovered!
Don’t forget James Chapman live Tweeting a mental breakdown last summer.
There’s a group of Westminster Villagers that have been driven completely nuts by brexit.
Yes that’s the cabinet and a lot of the Tory party.
that would include yourself of course :-)
I’m enjoying Brexit and looking forward to hard Brexit.
It will bring long overdue austerity to the country, will be the perfect excuse to abolish working tax credits.
well le
last twenty years away
It was avoidable and now we'd have Ed Milliband as PM (although of course compared with what we've got now it would be a particularly sunny upland) and the Cons forever failing to win elections because of UKIP.
As I said, compared with the shitshow of today, not the worst scenario in the world, but Dave knew just what he was doing when he promised a referendum.
No that's simply refusing to undthe SouthEast
So now you are saying that UKIP weren't fruitcakes, loonies, and closet racists? Exactly - he was modernising the party. If that means people fk off to UKIP hoorah, quite frankly.
I have a very good idea (short of @HYUFD's 100% certainty having interviewed every voter in the UK) why the referendum was lost - it was the classic: "what are you rebelling against? What have you got?"
It gave people an opportunity to make a difference when previously they had felt marginalised. It gave people who were suffering from any number of things, primarily GFC-related, a chance to choose something that could hardly have made their lives any worse. It gave people the power that they felt had been denied them for so long.
I am perfectly aware that a line that said: "modern, collaborative capitalism - not going to get you untrammelled riches, but the best we've got for the moment"....was not going to swing it.
In a nutshell that;s why the conservatives are all over the place, youre more interested in your internal squabbles than the electorate.
Problem is there are more people in the electorate than there are in your party
If we end up in the single market and customs union, paying for the privilege of being governed by the foreign body the electorate voted to leave, the public will have nothing but contempt for the political class that has sold them down the river and denied the referendum result because the voters had the temerity to disagree with the consensus of the Westminster village.
Or they'll have contempt for the numpties that promised them the moon on a stick, which, surprise!, turned out to be impossible to deliver.
Leaving the EU is impossible? So much for always sovereign!
Mr. 1000, ha, well, alright. But there are degrees of contempt.
Mr. rpjs, I voted to leave the EU. If we can't leave the EU because the political class decides listening to the electorate is optional, that doesn't bode well for the future.
Still very much an outside chance, but it's this kind of insanity that could see the far right rise, to match the far left capture of Labour (although that was due to the idiocy of Labour MPs).
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
Remaining in the customs union but leaving the single market is daft as it is economically illiterate.
So if we’re staying in one we might as stay in both.
The EU legal text on the back-stop covers customs union and standards and regulations (i.e. single market issues). The UK proposal only deals with CU issues so is likely to be rejected, not on the customs union proposal, but on missing out on the SM issues. The story isn't over yet. The end point is staying in both.
It will be basically impossible to stay in both. If the EU agreed it for the UK, Norway would want both, Poland would say we will have some of that. It is a non-starter as a position. You can have one but not both, both to the EU means full membership of the EU.
Quite. As I said - the end point is staying in both.
Mr. D, it's not a duck. It may walk like a duck, and quack like a duck, but it's actually a lesser spotted European water pigeon. Totally different species. Honest, guv.
In a nutshell that;s why the conservatives are all over the place, youre more interested in your internal squabbles than the electorate.
Problem is there are more people in the electorate than there are in your party
I'm not at all interested in our internal squabbles. Where do I show that I am interested in the party squabbling internally (it is now, of course)?
Modern capitalist societies are problematic. They give some people Porsches and others mini-metros (or did). People who live in tiny terraced houses can be found with fuck off Range Rovers parked outside because they have got them on the never never and everyone has one. Meanwhile, China is eating everyone's lunch as they were always going to do at some point and we are now near that point.
The Conservatives used to be about balancing the competing desires of society, all within a sensible economic framework. But eventually, they couldn't fight those forces which mean that we now have 1bn competitors to manufacture goods that we used to manufacture on the one hand, and a society that is in transition to a higher value add producing one where not everyone will be able to be a winner, on the other.
I didn't mention anything about the Conservative Party's internal squabbles.
It's enough to make people socialist, which is another phenomenon that has been emerging in case you haven't noticed.
If we end up in the single market and customs union, paying for the privilege of being governed by the foreign body the electorate voted to leave, the public will have nothing but contempt for the political class that has sold them down the river and denied the referendum result because the voters had the temerity to disagree with the consensus of the Westminster village.
Or they'll have contempt for the numpties that promised them the moon on a stick, which, surprise!, turned out to be impossible to deliver.
Leaving the EU is impossible? So much for always sovereign!
Leaving the EU is possible. Leaving it in a manner which does not destroy the British economy or threaten the integrity of the UK is the moon on a stick which is proving impossible to deliver.
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
Remaining in the customs union but leaving the single market is daft as it is economically illiterate.
So if we’re staying in one we might as stay in both.
The EU legal text on the back-stop covers customs union and standards and regulations (i.e. single market issues). The UK proposal only deals with CU issues so is likely to be rejected, not on the customs union proposal, but on missing out on the SM issues. The story isn't over yet. The end point is staying in both.
It will be basically impossible to stay in both. If the EU agreed it for the UK, Norway would want both, Poland would say we will have some of that. It is a non-starter as a position. You can have one but not both, both to the EU means full membership of the EU.
Then that is what will happen. We will not be leaving.
We're leaving the EU. There has been freedom of movement from Ireland/ the UK (Crucially Ireland is not in Schengen) since before we even joined the EU. So there can be restrictions on FoM. We won't have any MEPs, we won't be party to the EU's budget (Unless we agree to do so) - but we do have the divorce bill.
We are leaving, but we will remain de facto in a CU. That is NOT the same as being part of the EU proper.
As an aside, does the site feel this makes a second referendum more likely and, should said referendum occur, would option two (the first being to endorse whatever catastrophe May 'negotiates') be to remain, or to leave without a deal?
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
I think we just have.
Our position is now to stay in the CU as long as the EU finds that convenient.
As you say, probably the best Deal that we could get.
I thought this was in lieu of a new agreement, or were the EU never serious about this?
As you say, this is a backstop, in lieu of an agreement on avoiding a hard border in Ireland.
The EU has tabled a serious proposal. The UK government has still not been able to agree within itself on a counter proposal. Who isn't being serious here?
The EU have not tabled any proposals about a future treaty because of sequencing.
We were talking about who has put forward serious proposals about avoiding a hard border in Ireland. The EU has. The UK hasn't.
But as you say, and as we all know, the EU have not tabled any proposals about a future treaty because of sequencing (which the UK agreed to).
If we end up in the single market and customs union, paying for the privilege of being governed by the foreign body the electorate voted to leave, the public will have nothing but contempt for the political class that has sold them down the river and denied the referendum result because the voters had the temerity to disagree with the consensus of the Westminster village.
Or they'll have contempt for the numpties that promised them the moon on a stick, which, surprise!, turned out to be impossible to deliver.
Leaving the EU is impossible? So much for always sovereign!
Leaving the EU is possible. Leaving it in a manner which does not destroy the British economy or threaten the integrity of the UK is the moon on a stick which is proving impossible to deliver.
Destroy the economy? Are you pitching for a job at the Treasury or something?
Cameron was a good politician, but from me that's not a compliment. When the going got tough, like brave Sir Robin, he ran away, as did George.
As I've mentioned before, when the BBC ran Question Time from Boston just before the referendum and managed to unearth an audience with a large majority of Remainers, I began to doubt myself.
I need not have bothered, they were the ones out of touch. that's why the result came like a thunderbolt to the 'great and the good'.
Mr Eagles, you'll really have to chill out. There's no point grieving for the EU, it is no more, it is pushing up the daisies etc. We voted to leave and that decision reassured me I was talking to real people.
They're quiet for now, uninterested in the political shenanigans going on. They have a life to get on with and obsessing over the EU isn't one of their priorities. However, if BINO should occur, the anger will erupt again. And many in Labour realise this.
You can tease all you like, but we won, and democracy won.
Poundland to close stores and cut jobs. At long last. An economic consequence Brexit voters will understand. So long as someone explains it to them slowly.
Nothing to do with sky high rents and business rates and continuing to integrate the 99p store chain which it overlapped with in many locations it bought a couple of years ago - no people have stopped buying cheap products for £1 due to Brexit?!!
It's never the management's fault anymore or the way they run the business of course when a business retrenches or consolidates.
I suspect this latest initiative will be rejected by the EU just like all he earlier ones. They have never had any interest in negotiation which is something the UK side should have realised long ago.
Poundland to close stores and cut jobs. At long last. An economic consequence Brexit voters will understand. So long as someone explains it to them slowly.
Nothing to do with sky high rents and business rates and continuing to integrate the 99p store chain which it overlapped with in many locations it bought a couple of years ago - no people have stopped buying cheap products for £1 due to Brexit?!!
It's never the management's fault anymore or the way they run the business of course.
Sorry but I've heard nothing about Poundland having any difficulties whatsoever. Can you point me in the direction of a news report ?
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
I think we just have.
Our position is now to stay in the CU as long as the EU finds that convenient.
As you say, probably the best Deal that we could get.
I thought this was in lieu of a new agreement, or were the EU never serious about this?
As you say, this is a backstop, in lieu of an agreement on avoiding a hard border in Ireland.
The EU has tabled a serious proposal. The UK government has still not been able to agree within itself on a counter proposal. Who isn't being serious here?
The EU have not tabled any proposals about a future treaty because of sequencing.
We were talking about who has put forward serious proposals about avoiding a hard border in Ireland. The EU has. The UK hasn't.
But as you say, and as we all know, the EU have not tabled any proposals about a future treaty because of sequencing (which the UK agreed to).
Perhaps they could spend some time focusing on options A or B then? All this time and energy wasted on a what if scenario. It’s almost as if the EU doesn’t want to negotiate anything else.
In a nutshell that;s why the conservatives are all over the place, youre more interested in your internal squabbles than the electorate.
Problem is there are more people in the electorate than there are in your party
I'm not at all interested in our internal squabbles. Where do I show that I am interested in the party squabbling internally (it is now, of course)?
Modern capitalist societies are problematic. They give some people Porsches and others mini-metros (or did). People who live in tiny terraced houses can be found with fuck off Range Rovers parked outside because they have got them on the never never and everyone has one. Meanwhile, China is eating everyone's lunch as they were always going to do at some point and we are now near that point.
The Conservatives used to be about balancing the competing desires of society, all within a sensible economic framework. But eventually, they couldn't fight those forces which mean that we now have 1bn competitors to manufacture goods that we used to manufacture on the one hand, and a society that is in transition to a higher value add producing one where not everyone will be able to be a winner, on the other.
I didn't mention anything about the Conservative Party's internal squabbles.
It's enough to make people socialist, which is another phenomenon that has been emerging in case you haven't noticed.
How on earth is UK society aiming to transition to higher value added when the whole premise of UK business is to demand cheap labour ?
There was a time when we used to target a high wage high skill workforce, even the TUs don't do that much more.
As an aside, does the site feel this makes a second referendum more likely and, should said referendum occur, would option two (the first being to endorse whatever catastrophe May 'negotiates') be to remain, or to leave without a deal?
Can't we have three options, Deal, Remain or WTO and decide the result by A********** V***?
Poundland to close stores and cut jobs. At long last. An economic consequence Brexit voters will understand. So long as someone explains it to them slowly.
Nothing to do with sky high rents and business rates and continuing to integrate the 99p store chain which it overlapped with in many locations it bought a couple of years ago - no people have stopped buying cheap products for £1 due to Brexit?!!
It's never the management's fault anymore or the way they run the business of course.
Sorry but I've heard nothing about Poundland having any difficulties whatsoever. Can you point me in the direction of a news report ?
I suspect this latest initiative will be rejected by the EU just like all he earlier ones. They have never had any interest in negotiation which is something the UK side should have realised long ago.
Cameron was a good politician, but from me that's not a compliment. When the going got tough, like brave Sir Robin, he ran away, as did George.
As I've mentioned before, when the BBC ran Question Time from Boston just before the referendum and managed to unearth an audience with a large majority of Remainers, I began to doubt myself.
I need not have bothered, they were the ones out of touch. that's why the result came like a thunderbolt to the 'great and the good'.
Mr Eagles, you'll really have to chill out. There's no point grieving for the EU, it is no more, it is pushing up the daisies etc. We voted to leave and that decision reassured me I was talking to real people.
They're quiet for now, uninterested in the political shenanigans going on. They have a life to get on with and obsessing over the EU isn't one of their priorities. However, if BINO should occur, the anger will erupt again. And many in Labour realise this.
You can tease all you like, but we won, and democracy won.
"They have a life to get on with and obsessing over the EU isn't one of their priorities."
Poundland to close stores and cut jobs. At long last. An economic consequence Brexit voters will understand. So long as someone explains it to them slowly.
Nothing to do with sky high rents and business rates and continuing to integrate the 99p store chain which it overlapped with in many locations it bought a couple of years ago - no people have stopped buying cheap products for £1 due to Brexit?!!
It's never the management's fault anymore or the way they run the business of course.
Sorry but I've heard nothing about Poundland having any difficulties whatsoever. Can you point me in the direction of a news report ?
I never really considered in depth what would happen with Brexit because I never thought the coalition of the elderly and permanently bewildered would be enough to swing it for Leave. However, I would never have dreamt we’d have this turgid slide into surreal chaos with once serious politicians arguing the toss between ‘a’ and ‘the’. Fuck me.
I suspect this latest initiative will be rejected by the EU just like all he earlier ones. They have never had any interest in negotiation which is something the UK side should have realised long ago.
s/negotiating/compromising their core principles/
FTFY
Isn’t that what negotiation is? It isn’t as if EU law is some absolute that cannot be changed.
I suspect this latest initiative will be rejected by the EU just like all he earlier ones. They have never had any interest in negotiation which is something the UK side should have realised long ago.
s/negotiating/compromising their core principles/
FTFY
Like so much of what you write that is actually unintelligible.
I never really considered in depth what would happen with Brexit because I never thought the coalition of the elderly and permanently bewildered would be enough to swing it for Leave. However, I would never have dreamt we’d have this turgid slide into surreal chaos with once serious politicians arguing the toss between ‘a’ and ‘the’. Fuck me.
I suspect this latest initiative will be rejected by the EU just like all he earlier ones. They have never had any interest in negotiation which is something the UK side should have realised long ago.
s/negotiating/compromising their core principles/
FTFY
Like so much of what you write that is actually unintelligible.
Sorry, most of the forums I hang around have a larger proportion of coders than I guess PB has.
I suspect this latest initiative will be rejected by the EU just like all he earlier ones. They have never had any interest in negotiation which is something the UK side should have realised long ago.
s/negotiating/compromising their core principles/
FTFY
Like so much of what you write that is actually unintelligible.
"They have never had any interest in negotiation which is something the UK side should have realised long ago."
They may well intend to negotiate, they may even try, but a committee of 27 pulling in different directions means they won't be able to. In any event, giving deadlines to bureaucrats means no decision would be possible until the day before anyway.
Poundland to close stores and cut jobs. At long last. An economic consequence Brexit voters will understand. So long as someone explains it to them slowly.
Nothing to do with sky high rents and business rates and continuing to integrate the 99p store chain which it overlapped with in many locations it bought a couple of years ago - no people have stopped buying cheap products for £1 due to Brexit?!!
It's never the management's fault anymore or the way they run the business of course.
Sorry but I've heard nothing about Poundland having any difficulties whatsoever. Can you point me in the direction of a news report ?
In a nutshell that;s why the conservatives are all over the place, youre more interested in your internal squabbles than the electorate.
Problem is there are more people in the electorate than there are in your party
I'm not at all interested in our internal squabbles. Where do I show that I am interested in the party squabbling internally (it is now, of course)?
Modern capitalist societies are problematic. They give some people Porsches and others mini-metros (or did). People who live in tiny terraced houses can be found with fuck off Range Rovers parked outside because they have got them on the never never and everyone has one. Meanwhile, China is eating everyone's lunch as they were always going to do at some point and we are now near that point.
The Conservatives used to be about balancing the competing desires of society, all within a sensible economic framework. But eventually, they couldn't fight those forces which mean that we now have 1bn competitors to manufacture goods that we used to manufacture on the one hand, and a society that is in transition to a higher value add producing one where not everyone will be able to be a winner, on the other.
I didn't mention anything about the Conservative Party's internal squabbles.
It's enough to make people socialist, which is another phenomenon that has been emerging in case you haven't noticed.
How on earth is UK society aiming to transition to higher value added when the whole premise of UK business is to demand cheap labour ?
There was a time when we used to target a high wage high skill workforce, even the TUs don't do that much more.
It's chalk and apples, Alan. Starbucks having baristas from Portugal doesn't impact the build out of technology parks in Cambridge. Except for the fact that Starbucks might open a new branch there.
Anecdata has it in any case that British people don't necessarily want to work in Starbucks (I'm none too sure but I did have a friend who opened a coffee shop near Drury Lane and received 100 applications to work there, one of which was from a Brit - anecdata as I said) but they sure as hell should aspire to working in Cambridge Science Centre.
This is all immensely tedious. Lets just sign up to CU now and be done with it. It's going to be the best deal possible, and probably always was going to be.
I think we just have.
Our position is now to stay in the CU as long as the EU finds that convenient.
As you say, probably the best Deal that we could get.
I thought this was in lieu of a new agreement, or were the EU never serious about this?
As you say, this is a backstop, in lieu of an agreement on avoiding a hard border in Ireland.
The EU has tabled a serious proposal. The UK government has still not been able to agree within itself on a counter proposal. Who isn't being serious here?
The EU have not tabled any proposals about a future treaty because of sequencing.
We were talking about who has put forward serious proposals about avoiding a hard border in Ireland. The EU has. The UK hasn't.
But as you say, and as we all know, the EU have not tabled any proposals about a future treaty because of sequencing (which the UK agreed to).
No the EU has not put forward any proposals to solve the Irish border, all they have said is you caused the problem you solve it to the UK. It is the UK putting forward proposals and the EU rejecting them. What the EU has done and they have broken their rules here is say "we do not want a hard border so in the case of no agreed solution we offer a backstop. The backstop is that NI and NI only not any other part of the UK will remain in the CU and the SM." How they achieve this legally they have not said. But the key point is they have repeated and repeated that it is NI only. T May and her advisers took this and translated it to "if we submit enough proposals then they will say yes to the UK staying in the SM and CU as part of the backstop."
Poundland to close stores and cut jobs. At long last. An economic consequence Brexit voters will understand. So long as someone explains it to them slowly.
Nothing to do with sky high rents and business rates and continuing to integrate the 99p store chain which it overlapped with in many locations it bought a couple of years ago - no people have stopped buying cheap products for £1 due to Brexit?!!
It's never the management's fault anymore or the way they run the business of course.
Sorry but I've heard nothing about Poundland having any difficulties whatsoever. Can you point me in the direction of a news report ?
It won't happen because BINO won't happen, because politicians have a keen sense of their own survival. Only the media fool themselves completely. Like the Spanish Inquisition, they never expected Brexit.
It won't happen because BINO won't happen, because politicians have a keen sense of their own survival. Only the media fool themselves completely. Like the Spanish Inquisition, they never expected Brexit.
BINO is also a ridiculous expression because there is no such thing.
I suspect this latest initiative will be rejected by the EU just like all he earlier ones. They have never had any interest in negotiation which is something the UK side should have realised long ago.
s/negotiating/compromising their core principles/
FTFY
Like so much of what you write that is actually unintelligible.
Negotiation usually involves both parties having some, well I suppose you could call them "red lines" or "backstops" which they are not willing to compromise on. In the EU's case it involves not agreeing to us cherry-picking things we'd like to retain from membership. I don't think wanting to maintain the principle that being a member of the EU gives privileges over not being a member is that unreasonable of them. otherwise what is the point of the EU?
I suspect this latest initiative will be rejected by the EU just like all he earlier ones. They have never had any interest in negotiation which is something the UK side should have realised long ago.
s/negotiating/compromising their core principles/
FTFY
Like so much of what you write that is actually unintelligible.
In a nutshell that;s why the conservatives are all over the place, youre more interested in your internal squabbles than the electorate.
Problem is there are more people in the electorate than there are in your party
I'm not at all interested in our internal squabbles. Where do I show that I am interested in the party squabbling internally (it is now, of course)?
Modern capitalist societies are problematic. They gi.
I didn't mention anything about the Conservative Party's internal squabbles.
It's enough to make people socialist, which is another phenomenon that has been emerging in case you haven't noticed.
How on earth is UK society aiming to transition to higher value added when the whole premise of UK business is to demand cheap labour ?
There was a time when we used to target a high wage high skill workforce, even the TUs don't do that much more.
It's chalk and apples, Alan. Starbucks having baristas from Portugal doesn't impact the build out of technology parks in Cambridge. Except for the fact that Starbucks might open a new branch there.
Anecdata has it in any case that British people don't necessarily want to work in Starbucks (I'm none too sure but I did have a friend who opened a coffee shop near Drury Lane and received 100 applications to work there, one of which was from a Brit - anecdata as I said) but they sure as hell should aspire to working in Cambridge Science Centre.
It's nonsense Mr T.
The biggest issue we will face is having too many people once next generation automation gets going. Manufacturing will lose lots of jobs to robotics, professional services too. We don't need cheap labour we need skilled people able to interface with machinery and other people.
That's not what any of the political parties is offering atm
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Edited addition: Sam Coates seems to be quite manic about all this - maybe he should go and have a lie down somewhere. His desperate attempts to sow discord are reminiscent of Lord Adonis - and he has never recovered!
Average of the 10 most recent German opinion polls:
CDU/CSU 32.7%
SPD 17.3%
AfD 14.6%
Greens 12.0%
Left 10.7%
FDP 8.2%
Others 4.5%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_German_federal_election#Poll_results
Our position is now to stay in the CU as long as the EU finds that convenient.
As you say, probably the best Deal that we could get.
There’s a group of Westminster Villagers that have been driven completely nuts by brexit.
It will bring long overdue austerity to the country, will be the perfect excuse to abolish working tax credits.
Says every trade secretary for the next 50 years.
The EU has tabled a serious proposal. The UK government has still not been able to agree within itself on a counter proposal. Who isn't being serious here?
"Nine people have been arrested over allegations of fraud in connection with the Grenfell Tower fire.
Eight men and one woman were detained by officers during raids at about 07:00 BST at 11 addresses, mainly in west London, the Met Police said.
In a briefing, the force said two of the people arrested are linked but that all of the alleged offences are separate.
The value of the alleged frauds range from £25,000 to £100,000."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44396514
So if we’re staying in one we might as stay in both.
the whole Brexit exercise was totally avoidable and started with Dave not knowing why he wanted to be PM when he got there
really this country has pissed the last twenty years away
https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1004691506438070272
As I said, compared with the shitshow of today, not the worst scenario in the world, but Dave knew just what he was doing when he promised a referendum.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/22/brexit-vote-cost-uk-mark-carney-bank-of-england
I have seen no such news regarding this particular child co of Steinhoff.
Having said that, as a negotiating position it makes your marzipan dildo look good. Who would accept this? What on earth does it mean? It is an agreement to agree unless they don't in which case, well, we work that out later.
It started with the modernisers not knowing how to modernise. To win an election the conservatives needed a broad church that meant keeping the right of the party on board while winning centre ground votes.
The numpties running it chased centre ground votes by pissing on their core supporters, telling them to fk off to ukip and then looked surprised when they did.
Furthermore Cameron had little interest in life outside the SouthEast
Then they'll probably do the silly handshake thing and indulge in a bout of Greco-Roman wrestling
Or Trump will do what he always does and declare victory
It is a non-starter as a position.
You can have one but not both, both to the EU means full membership of the EU.
The reason HMG had to agree a backstop is that the EU was unwilling to discuss anything further without it.
I have a very good idea (short of @HYUFD's 100% certainty having interviewed every voter in the UK) why the referendum was lost - it was the classic: "what are you rebelling against? What have you got?"
It gave people an opportunity to make a difference when previously they had felt marginalised. It gave people who were suffering from any number of things, primarily GFC-related, a chance to choose something that could hardly have made their lives any worse. It gave people the power that they felt had been denied them for so long.
I am perfectly aware that a line that said: "modern, collaborative capitalism - not going to get you untrammelled riches, but the best we've got for the moment"....was not going to swing it.
If we end up in the single market and customs union, paying for the privilege of being governed by the foreign body the electorate voted to leave, the public will have nothing but contempt for the political class that has sold them down the river and denied the referendum result because the voters had the temerity to disagree with the consensus of the Westminster village.
In happier news, there's a race this weekend, so that at least should provide some welcome distraction.
"the public will have nothing but contempt for the political class"
I bet you that whatever happens in the next five years, that will continue to be the case.
They allow Trump, as you say, to declare victory. While nothing really changes.
Problem is there are more people in the electorate than there are in your party
Trump has decided to be the cat among the pigeons and some of the pigeons risk losing feathers.
Mr. rpjs, I voted to leave the EU. If we can't leave the EU because the political class decides listening to the electorate is optional, that doesn't bode well for the future.
Still very much an outside chance, but it's this kind of insanity that could see the far right rise, to match the far left capture of Labour (although that was due to the idiocy of Labour MPs).
Modern capitalist societies are problematic. They give some people Porsches and others mini-metros (or did). People who live in tiny terraced houses can be found with fuck off Range Rovers parked outside because they have got them on the never never and everyone has one. Meanwhile, China is eating everyone's lunch as they were always going to do at some point and we are now near that point.
The Conservatives used to be about balancing the competing desires of society, all within a sensible economic framework. But eventually, they couldn't fight those forces which mean that we now have 1bn competitors to manufacture goods that we used to manufacture on the one hand, and a society that is in transition to a higher value add producing one where not everyone will be able to be a winner, on the other.
I didn't mention anything about the Conservative Party's internal squabbles.
It's enough to make people socialist, which is another phenomenon that has been emerging in case you haven't noticed.
We are leaving, but we will remain de facto in a CU. That is NOT the same as being part of the EU proper.
But as you say, and as we all know, the EU have not tabled any proposals about a future treaty because of sequencing (which the UK agreed to).
https://twitter.com/CorbynHope_less/status/1004006315050635264
As I've mentioned before, when the BBC ran Question Time from Boston just before the referendum and managed to unearth an audience with a large majority of Remainers, I began to doubt myself.
I need not have bothered, they were the ones out of touch. that's why the result came like a thunderbolt to the 'great and the good'.
Mr Eagles, you'll really have to chill out. There's no point grieving for the EU, it is no more, it is pushing up the daisies etc. We voted to leave and that decision reassured me I was talking to real people.
They're quiet for now, uninterested in the political shenanigans going on. They have a life to get on with and obsessing over the EU isn't one of their priorities. However, if BINO should occur, the anger will erupt again. And many in Labour realise this.
You can tease all you like, but we won, and democracy won.
It's never the management's fault anymore or the way they run the business of course when a business retrenches or consolidates.
There was a time when we used to target a high wage high skill workforce, even the TUs don't do that much more.
FTFY
Roflcopter
Look forward to the BINO anger eruption
https://www.tutor2u.net/business/blog/problems-at-poundland
Look at that share price drop in the second link.
lie back and have a cigarette
Mr. Pulpstar, isn't it a different discount chain? Poundworld or suchlike?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44398352
"They have never had any interest in negotiation which is something the UK side should have realised long ago."
They may well intend to negotiate, they may even try, but a committee of 27 pulling in different directions means they won't be able to. In any event, giving deadlines to bureaucrats means no decision would be possible until the day before anyway.
Anecdata has it in any case that British people don't necessarily want to work in Starbucks (I'm none too sure but I did have a friend who opened a coffee shop near Drury Lane and received 100 applications to work there, one of which was from a Brit - anecdata as I said) but they sure as hell should aspire to working in Cambridge Science Centre.
What the EU has done and they have broken their rules here is say "we do not want a hard border so in the case of no agreed solution we offer a backstop. The backstop is that NI and NI only not any other part of the UK will remain in the CU and the SM." How they achieve this legally they have not said. But the key point is they have repeated and repeated that it is NI only.
T May and her advisers took this and translated it to "if we submit enough proposals then they will say yes to the UK staying in the SM and CU as part of the backstop."
"Look forward to the BINO anger eruption."
It won't happen because BINO won't happen, because politicians have a keen sense of their own survival. Only the media fool themselves completely. Like the Spanish Inquisition, they never expected Brexit.
The biggest issue we will face is having too many people once next generation automation gets going. Manufacturing will lose lots of jobs to robotics, professional services too. We don't need cheap labour we need skilled people able to interface with machinery and other people.
That's not what any of the political parties is offering atm