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  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JoeWatts_: Britain shouldn't try and win the "global" race, says Ed. Interesting.
  • Scott_P said:

    @jennirsl: Mistake for Miliband to ask conf audience to roar back in response to: do the Tories get it. Panto politics looks silly on TV #lab13

    Its Sheffield Rally part 2!!
  • Rachel Reeves! I spotted Rachel Reeves!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @OliverCooper: Big Labour policy announcement: Ed Miliband to wear a suit and tie on the beach. #Lab13
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    The facts on 'City' bonuses:

    BOSSES’ bonuses fell last year as shareholders took a stronger position on pay and shifted more remuneration towards longer-term incentives, according to a Deloitte report out today.

    The median bonus payout for executive directors was 67 per cent of the maximum on offer to bosses, down sharply on the 75 per cent in 2011 and the 87 per cent in 2010.

    Typically the maximum on offer is 150 per cent of salary.

    Bonus payouts are even below the 75 per cent paid out at the height of the financial crisis in 2008-09.

    The median salary increase came in at 2.5 per cent, well below the rate of inflation, while a third of companies did not increase pay.

    The overall impact is that cash payouts fell to £1.67m in 2013 for the median FTSE100 CEO, down 5.8 per cent on the £1.77m in 2012 and £1.88m in 2011.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,676
    tim, SO, RedRag?

    Views pls.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I want to turn this off = its dreadful.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Roger Daltrey should sue !
  • Ed's on a campaign to make the UK uninvestable in. A kind of crapper version of France if you will...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,676
    Plato said:

    I want to turn this off = its dreadful.

    my toes are fixed curled inwards.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @gabyhinsliff: Northerners disdained by Tories are are 'our friends, our neighbours, the heroes of our country.' So presume they're still getting HS2 then
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited September 2013
    Yeah, little Ed's quite clearly crap at this but then he has an incompetent fop and second rate Blair impersonator in Cammie as competition. So it's not exactly a high standard he's up against anyway.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    TOPPING said:

    Plato said:

    I want to turn this off = its dreadful.

    my toes are fixed curled inwards.
    Only another 45 mins to go...
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Rachel Reeves! I spotted Rachel Reeves!

    She voted for the war, Sunil.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    1M new green jobs.

    Thats everything fixed then.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    TGOHF said:

    1M new green jobs.

    Thats everything fixed then.

    NO CARBON = WTF?
  • Carbon to be taken out of the energy supply by 2030, all power company employees to be replaced by silicon-based lifeforms. I like it.
  • TGOHF said:

    1M new green jobs.

    Thats everything fixed then.

    Will we be getting cheap gardeners? That's nice.
  • Martin Shapland ‏@MShapland 45s
    Ed Miliband, tackling climate change by scrapping the policy of rising fuel bills to pay for renewables he brought in as Energy Sec #lab13

    Mr Shapland does have a point...!

    “Air travel and driving costs to soar under Labour plan to curb global warming

    Energy and Climate Change Secretary Ed Miliband warned of rising fuel prices as he outlined Labour’s bid to move Britain on to a low carbon economy.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199129/Higher-energy-bills-inevitable-warns-Climate-Change-Secretary-Ed-Miliband.html
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @maitlis: ok policy commitments thus far:1) cut business rates for 1.5 million small businesses (ie not for big).2) keep shirt on.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    TOPPING said:

    Plato said:

    I want to turn this off = its dreadful.

    my toes are fixed curled inwards.
    Not watching as I am supposed to be working, but even the more ardent Labour posters do not seem overly enthused by this do they?
  • Plato said:

    TGOHF said:

    1M new green jobs.

    Thats everything fixed then.

    NO CARBON = WTF?
    Don't forget that electricity won't be getting more expensive under Ed's plan as well ;)

    Won't be any room for any houses with all those windmills.
  • You have to admire Ed's inadvertent honesty. Yes BRITAIN CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS and the Labour party can do better than their current Leader. Most of their Members and most of their MPs know that which is why they preferred David Miliband.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @steve_hawkes: What's this?!? The Standard has Miliband's energy price freeze announcement before he's announced it ! (remember the Budget Labour?!)
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Dog-whistling on immigrants now, oh dear.
    Best STFU about Lynton "f***king muslims" Crosby if you keep doing that little Ed.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Floater said:

    TOPPING said:

    Plato said:

    I want to turn this off = its dreadful.

    my toes are fixed curled inwards.
    Not watching as I am supposed to be working, but even the more ardent Labour posters do not seem overly enthused by this do they?
    It's the speech of a lunchtime.

  • The other day people were making up theories about the apprentice-for-non-EU-immigrant thing being illegal under EU law, which was a bit mad, but what about the apprentice-for-government-contracts thing? If you're a German company bidding for British government contracts, can't you at least promise to hire an apprentice in Germany?
  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527
    PB Hodges - I remember you all saying exactly the same thing last year and those outside the one eyed world actually thought it was very good. Looks like Tykejohnno's request for a true representation of the speech, unlike last year, has fell on deaf ears and one eye.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,597
    Ed is going to promise to freeze energy bills for 20 months after the GE.

    But could this just mean that the energy companies will put up bills massively just before the GE?
  • Tim ,getting a little nervous as he approachs 10,000. Slowing down a little,casting his eyes at the boundary ,leaving anything outside off stump. Just looking now for a little Toby young sneer or a short housing stat to take him over the line and into the history books
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,676
    RedRag1 said:

    PB Hodges - I remember you all saying exactly the same thing last year and those outside the one eyed world actually thought it was very good. Looks like Tykejohnno's request for a true representation of the speech, unlike last year, has fell on deaf ears and one eye.

    Do you think it's a good speech, RedRag?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited September 2013
    EdM is mostly talking about theTories - very odd.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Is fixing energy prices legal ?

  • Floater said:

    TOPPING said:

    Plato said:

    I want to turn this off = its dreadful.

    my toes are fixed curled inwards.
    Not watching as I am supposed to be working, but even the more ardent Labour posters do not seem overly enthused by this do they?
    Not an ardent Labour poster or anything but I think it's very good. Large proportions of it are bollocks, of course, but that's true of all conference speeches.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    AWIGHT !

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JohnRentoul: If people want a party that will cut itself off from rest of the world, Lab is not yr party. Unless you don't want to do anything abt Syria.
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited September 2013

    The other day people were making up theories about the apprentice-for-non-EU-immigrant thing being illegal under EU law, which was a bit mad, but what about the apprentice-for-government-contracts thing? If you're a German company bidding for British government contracts, can't you at least promise to hire an apprentice in Germany?

    I'm pretty certain it would be illegal, just as the previous proposal, which was presented as being for UK ('local') apprentices, was. It would also be unworkable.
  • TOPPING said:

    RedRag1 said:

    PB Hodges - I remember you all saying exactly the same thing last year and those outside the one eyed world actually thought it was very good. Looks like Tykejohnno's request for a true representation of the speech, unlike last year, has fell on deaf ears and one eye.

    Do you think it's a good speech, RedRag?
    Must confess it's stonkingly good stuff! (I haven't voted Labour at a GE since 97!)
  • TGOHF said:

    Is fixing energy prices legal ?

    Nothing is illegal in socialist paradises comrade!

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518
    Scott_P said:

    @jennirsl: Mistake for Miliband to ask conf audience to roar back in response to: do the Tories get it. Panto politics looks silly on TV #lab13

    "We're alright!"
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    TGOHF said:

    Is fixing energy prices legal ?

    If it is legal,it's election winner.

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited September 2013
    Better delivery now. Sounding much like Cammie or Clegg does with a few minor differences.
  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527
    TOPPING said:

    RedRag1 said:

    PB Hodges - I remember you all saying exactly the same thing last year and those outside the one eyed world actually thought it was very good. Looks like Tykejohnno's request for a true representation of the speech, unlike last year, has fell on deaf ears and one eye.

    Do you think it's a good speech, RedRag?
    I do Mr Topping. What you have to admit, yesterday, you were all saying the conference was a disaster/car crash/ rubbish etc and todays opinion poll lead went up to 8%. As I said much earlier, keep on talking and convincing yourselves, the reality seems to be a bit different out there.
  • MikeL said:

    Ed is going to promise to freeze energy bills for 20 months after the GE.

    But could this just mean that the energy companies will put up bills massively just before the GE?

    They're likely to go for efficiency savings and fire a load of people. Hedge their bets, just in case the baby eaters win.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,286
    Yes, he is improving slightly.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    He appears to have rehearsed this bit more than the rest. Must be the headline section.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Yup. There's the headline.
  • Carbon to be taken out of the energy supply by 2030, all power company employees to be replaced by silicon-based lifeforms. I like it.

    Not much point in making a policy commitment that someone else will be responsible for keeping.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited September 2013
    "Not under my Govt" Followed by a list of things that actually happened/started under Labour.
    Re-writing history, are we at war with Eastasia? Its all good Duckspeak.

    (Duckspeak is a Newspeak term meaning literally to quack like a duck or to speak without thinking. Duckspeak can be either good or "ungood" (bad), depending on who is speaking, and whether what they are saying is in following with the ideals of Big Brother. To speak rubbish and lies may be ungood, but to speak rubbish and lies for the good of "The Party" may be good.)
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    Is fixing energy prices legal ?

    If it is legal,it's election winner.

    Gives business a big advantage over EU competition via state interference.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @krishgm: So that's our gas bills going up massively before 2015 election then? (If Labour are going to freeze them)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ITVLauraK: Big questions over whether that'd be legal, how you persuade firms to invest in power stations we need if you control their prices
  • tim said:

    Scott_P said:

    @gabyhinsliff: Northerners disdained by Tories are are 'our friends, our neighbours, the heroes of our country.' So presume they're still getting HS2 then

    HS2 doesn't go to the NE Scott, please try to understand your tweet pasting
    The advantages do.
    Further connections onto the existing network will enable passengers in many more regions across Britain to benefit from HS2. High speed trains will continue seamlessly to destinations like York, Newcastle, Durham, Darlington and Edinburgh.
    In addition (1), the only way Newcastle and other northern cities will get a high-speed line is if it connects up with HS2 (HS3 anyone?) Without HS2, there's no chance. You need to get the backbone of the network in place first.

    In addition (2) More paths will be created on the existing ECML to cope with more trains from Newcastle.
  • Laura Kuenssberg ‏@ITVLauraK 43s
    Big questions over whether that'd be legal, how you persuade firms to invest in power stations we need if you control their prices

    Who care's it if's legal.. grab those headlines baby!
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    This is 3/10 stuff.

    Nothing much to dislike but no sign of leadership.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Scott_P said:

    @ITVLauraK: Big questions over whether that'd be legal, how you persuade firms to invest in power stations we need if you control their prices

    He's nationalised the power companies.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ITVLauraK: 'How the hell are we going to build a whole new load of new power stations then?' To quote industry source...

    @kiranstacey: EdM announces the gas/elec price freeze the party had already released (h/t @PickardJE). Is it legal?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited September 2013
    BIG promises. Trust is going to be crucial.
  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527
    Remember, yesterday, someone on here stated that the conference was so bad, so much of a car crash, that the Labour/Tory crossover must be imminent.....then the lead went up to 8%. PB Hodges, as many brain cells as their king has eyes.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainmartin1: Build on land or have it stolen by the government????? Er...
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited September 2013
    So, let's get this straight, Ed's solution to the problem of insufficient investment in our energy sector is a combination of:

    - A seventies-style government-decreed price freeze
    - An increase in corporation tax
    - Compulsory hiring of apprentices
    - A government-imposed increase in wage costs

    Were the City to take that seriously, it would be bye-bye to investment.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GuidoFawkes: #RedEd has just pledged to bring back price controls, last seen in 1979. Socialism controlling the commanding heights of the economy. #Lab13
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    edited September 2013
    Labour deregulated the energy market in 2001 and 2002 removing all price controls in domestic energy provision
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Robert Peston ‏@Peston 14s

    Some will see power price freeze as old-fashioned price controls (back to 70s).

    Power companies will hate price cap that Labour would impose on energy. They will warn that investment will collapse
  • "Use the land or lose the land" says Ed.
    Wonderful return to socialism, Eastern Europe style. Was it something his Dad said?

  • tim said:

    Scott_P said:

    @gabyhinsliff: Northerners disdained by Tories are are 'our friends, our neighbours, the heroes of our country.' So presume they're still getting HS2 then

    HS2 doesn't go to the NE Scott, please try to understand your tweet pasting
    The advantages do.
    Further connections onto the existing network will enable passengers in many more regions across Britain to benefit from HS2. High speed trains will continue seamlessly to destinations like York, Newcastle, Durham, Darlington and Edinburgh.
    In addition (1), the only way Newcastle and other northern cities will get a high-speed line is if it connects up with HS2 (HS3 anyone?) Without HS2, there's no chance. You need to get the backbone of the network in place first.

    In addition (2) More paths will be created on the existing ECML to cope with more trains from Newcastle.Why would anyone want to leave the North-East - the Land of Heroes - to go and mix with the bankers down south?

    Miliband will pledge to rip up the railway tracks to build new houses.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518
    How would one even go about fixing energy prices other than by introducing a ceiling, which may not be admissible under current competition laws. Also what does it do to the investment incentive for big projects like Nuclear and Tidal power which require billions from the private sector to ensure the taxpayer doesn't subsidise too heavily private investors.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Floater said:

    TOPPING said:

    Plato said:

    I want to turn this off = its dreadful.

    my toes are fixed curled inwards.
    Not watching as I am supposed to be working, but even the more ardent Labour posters do not seem overly enthused by this do they?
    Not an ardent Labour poster or anything but I think it's very good. Large proportions of it are bollocks, of course, but that's true of all conference speeches.

    Floater said:

    TOPPING said:

    Plato said:

    I want to turn this off = its dreadful.

    my toes are fixed curled inwards.
    Not watching as I am supposed to be working, but even the more ardent Labour posters do not seem overly enthused by this do they?
    Not an ardent Labour poster or anything but I think it's very good. Large proportions of it are bollocks, of course, but that's true of all conference speeches.
    Plato only called it dreadful so it must be exceeding expectations.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @IsabelHardman: We've spent this week watching Labour trying to work out how comfortable they are with "socialism". Ed has just announced price controls.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    MaxPB said:

    How would one even go about fixing energy prices other than by introducing a ceiling, which may not be admissible under current competition laws. Also what does it do to the investment incentive for big projects like Nuclear and Tidal power which require billions from the private sector to ensure the taxpayer doesn't subsidise too heavily private investors.

    I give it until 7pm before it unravels.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    I see Ed has his 6th form debating club fellow members behind him.
  • Sophy Ridge ‏@SophyRidgeSky 3m - Here's the big announcement: Labour will freeze energy bills until thr start of 2017 if they win #lab13

    @ITVLauraK: Big questions over whether that'd be legal, how you persuade firms to invest in power stations we need if you control their prices

    Epic fail on that one Ed.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    TGOHF said:


    I give it until 7pm before it unravels.

    Not before the 6 o'clock news?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,676
    RedRag1 said:

    TOPPING said:

    RedRag1 said:

    PB Hodges - I remember you all saying exactly the same thing last year and those outside the one eyed world actually thought it was very good. Looks like Tykejohnno's request for a true representation of the speech, unlike last year, has fell on deaf ears and one eye.

    Do you think it's a good speech, RedRag?
    I do Mr Topping. What you have to admit, yesterday, you were all saying the conference was a disaster/car crash/ rubbish etc and todays opinion poll lead went up to 8%. As I said much earlier, keep on talking and convincing yourselves, the reality seems to be a bit different out there.
    The reality, as reactions to this speech illustrate, is that people suffer from confirmation bias.

    The meat of his speech is therefore leftist fantasy orientated.

    State intervention, state intervention, state intervention.

    If that floats your boat, as the man says, then you have found your party.
  • Well, there's Labours credibility in the business world going down the pan...

    Hopefully the electorate will be wise enough to see through the sweeties and spin.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MilibandTips: Britain can do better than this. #lab13 http://t.co/7EgZeTE6xn
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Can we have price freezes for petrol and eggs please Ed ?

    Oh and councils.

  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,597
    Energy announcement could backfire.

    When companies put up bills BEFORE the GE then accusation will be that bills have gone up because of what Labour will do post 2015.

    ie energy bills going up BECAUSE OF LABOUR.
  • tessyCtessyC Posts: 106
    Having heard Ed Miliband's speech... I am going to join the Conservative party. This man can't be left in charge of Britain.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Kevin_Maguire: President Miliband not mentioned a single member of his Labour team
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    TOPPING said:

    RedRag1 said:

    TOPPING said:

    RedRag1 said:

    PB Hodges - I remember you all saying exactly the same thing last year and those outside the one eyed world actually thought it was very good. Looks like Tykejohnno's request for a true representation of the speech, unlike last year, has fell on deaf ears and one eye.

    Do you think it's a good speech, RedRag?
    I do Mr Topping. What you have to admit, yesterday, you were all saying the conference was a disaster/car crash/ rubbish etc and todays opinion poll lead went up to 8%. As I said much earlier, keep on talking and convincing yourselves, the reality seems to be a bit different out there.
    The reality, as reactions to this speech illustrate, is that people suffer from confirmation bias.

    The meat of his speech is therefore leftist fantasy orientated.

    State intervention, state intervention, state intervention.

    If that floats your boat, as the man says, then you have found your party.
    It's all bull, Topping.

    That's what attracts Red Rag.

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Conference cynically applauding the dead of Stafford.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainmartin1: Prediction: That whole, er, land theft line is going to be a massive story.

    It's Ok Iain, Newssense™ says you're wrong...
  • Scott_P said:

    @Kevin_Maguire: President Miliband not mentioned a single member of his Labour team

    That was wise of him.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    7pm was a bit generous...

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/stevehawkes/100237672/ed-milibands-energy-price-freeze-this-is-a-crazy-idea-that-could-create-blackouts/

    "One energy chief executive tells a story of how under the old Labour government he would go into a morning meeting and be attacked for ripping off the elderly and making mega-profits. The afternoon would be spent with a separate department who was begging his company to invest £20 billion to keep the lights on. Politicians can, and should, do better than this."
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    With the Lib Dems free school meals, the current Gov'ts 'Help to buy' and Labour freezing everyone's energy bills for the next 3 years its out with austerity and in with who can deliver the most motherhood and apple pie.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,286
    @tim - er, anyone can apply or obtain planning permission - it's the ability to implement it that matters. So the 'new' builder will have to own that land i.e. it would have to be expropriated from the owner.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainmartin1: Feels to me like Miliband has just blown-up his own speech - with land theft initiative - and it didn't seem to register much in the hall

    Don't panic, it's a non-story...
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Pulpstar said:

    With the Lib Dems free school meals, the current Gov'ts 'Help to buy' and Labour freezing everyone's energy bills for the next 3 years its out with austerity and in with who can deliver the most motherhood and apple pie.

    Anyone would think there's an election in a couple of years. ;^ )
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @michaelsavage: Obvious dangers in Miliband speech about "old Labour". Price controls, land confiscation. So it's both brave and a gamble...

    @kiranstacey: This really is an amazingly left-wing speech. Energy price controls, land appropriation, corp tax rises. #lab13

    2 more journalists spot the non-story
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Does this mean Ed Miliband will steal my garden if I don;t build on it?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518
    Honestly the announcements seem insane. Government sponsored land theft and investment crashing price freezes that will lead to rolling blackouts.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited September 2013

    Well, there's Labours credibility in the business world going down the pan...

    Hopefully the electorate will be wise enough to see through the sweeties and spin.

    Not people seeing they energy bills going up massively,people want to see these energy companies punished.


  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MASieghart: How can you freeze energy bills AND take all carbon out of energy by 2030? Doesn’t add up, does it? #lab13
  • Scott_P said:

    @iainmartin1: Feels to me like Miliband has just blown-up his own speech - with land theft initiative - and it didn't seem to register much in the hall

    Don't panic, it's a non-story...

    A policy iniative worthy of Stalin. EdM has lost the election.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Eds message is simple - more government.

  • JohnO said:

    @tim - er, anyone can apply or obtain planning permission - it's the ability to implement it that matters. So the 'new' builder will have to own that land i.e. it would have to be expropriated from the owner.

    I don't think tim know's what he's talking about.. or the principles of 'ownership' are beyond him.

  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527
    AveryLP said:

    TOPPING said:

    RedRag1 said:

    TOPPING said:

    RedRag1 said:

    PB Hodges - I remember you all saying exactly the same thing last year and those outside the one eyed world actually thought it was very good. Looks like Tykejohnno's request for a true representation of the speech, unlike last year, has fell on deaf ears and one eye.

    Do you think it's a good speech, RedRag?
    I do Mr Topping. What you have to admit, yesterday, you were all saying the conference was a disaster/car crash/ rubbish etc and todays opinion poll lead went up to 8%. As I said much earlier, keep on talking and convincing yourselves, the reality seems to be a bit different out there.
    The reality, as reactions to this speech illustrate, is that people suffer from confirmation bias.

    The meat of his speech is therefore leftist fantasy orientated.

    State intervention, state intervention, state intervention.

    If that floats your boat, as the man says, then you have found your party.
    It's all bull, Topping.

    That's what attracts Red Rag.

    So how did your prediction of crossover being imminent because of "this car crash of a conference" go?
  • The energy price freeze makes no sense... all the energy providers are under Ofgem regimes that cover the period in question, so will sue if he tries to tear them up.
    Even if he could make it stick, they will have to raise prices even more sharply after 2017 to meet the investment in new power and green power that is so necessary because Labour 1997-2010 failed to invest in energy.
    Oh, and a 1p increase in Corporation Tax will really encourage inward investment in nuclear, gas and wave/tidal, won't it?
    I'm just waiting for him to ban fracking and we'll have the fruit-loop set.
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