He [Varadkar] said: “Any move on customs with the UK would be welcome but I need to be very clear that avoiding a hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland is about more than customs. The single market and aspects related to regulation are important as well.”
That's what we have been saying on here. Single market here we come (dressed up in other words).
"Varadkar later told reporters that, during 45 minutes of talks, May had sketched out her hopes for what he described as a “deep customs arrangement”" That will please the Brexiteers.
I think May will continue to repeat "We are leaving the Customs Union and we are leaving the Single Market" as we stay in the Customs Union and stay in the Single Market. She'll keep saying it until she retires.
Frictionless movement from "customs partnership" to "deep customs arrangement"
May was correct all along. We need an ambitious, bespoke arrangement.
Brendan O'Neill's piece is ill-informed nonsense. Those who play FOBTs aren't interested in betting on horse racing or greyhound racing, real or virtual.
A puzzle for the train enthusiasts. Trying to book a ticket for my daughter from North Wales to Edinburgh on an upcoming Sunday when there are engineering works on the West Coast Mainline. Journey on the West Coast would take 9-10 hours with replacement buses, which is horrendous.
Checked National Rail Enquiries and found that she can take a journey of 7 hours up the East Coast Mainline, via York and using the TransPennine Express to get across from Manchester or Liverpool. Much better. Except, none of the train companies are able to find the journey on their websites. CrossCountry even reckon that York (York!) is an invalid station.
Has anyone come across this sort of thing before? Any advice?
He [Varadkar] said: “Any move on customs with the UK would be welcome but I need to be very clear that avoiding a hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland is about more than customs. The single market and aspects related to regulation are important as well.”
That's what we have been saying on here. Single market here we come (dressed up in other words).
"Varadkar later told reporters that, during 45 minutes of talks, May had sketched out her hopes for what he described as a “deep customs arrangement”" That will please the Brexiteers.
I think May will continue to repeat "We are leaving the Customs Union and we are leaving the Single Market" as we stay in the Customs Union and stay in the Single Market. She'll keep saying it until she retires.
Frictionless movement from "customs partnership" to "deep customs arrangement"
May was correct all along. We need an ambitious, bespoke arrangement.
Norway + Turkey
The EU might need UK+?
The idea that our future arrangements might be beholden to those made by the EU with relatively minor trading partners has always seemed daft to me. It simply will be a tailor made deal that suits both sides. Our trousering may not necessarily have the turn-ups we'd like, and their lapels might be a little shallower cut than they'd like, but that's the way it will be.
Brendan O'Neill's piece is ill-informed nonsense. Those who play FOBTs aren't interested in betting on horse racing or greyhound racing, real or virtual.
"I know people who frequent betting shops, mainly to bet on horses, and they will occasionally spend 10 or 20 quid on an FOBT if they’re bored. I expect that’s how the majority of FOBT-users engage with these machines." Because there are no grounds for thinking that the subset of FOBT gamblers who know someone who writes for the Spectator differ in any material respect from the others. I have rarely read a more insultingly stupid article about anything, ever.
Bit foolish to sign up to that Irish border backstop. Dilemma now is whether to break own agreement, rendering further promises useless, or to dance to an Irish jig.
Why? Whatever his merits as Speaker no one seems at all surprised that he can be an utter cock - as much as there is no need for him to act so, or bully people, since it is no surprise why would it spur people to action against him this time, even if it should?
A puzzle for the train enthusiasts. Trying to book a ticket for my daughter from North Wales to Edinburgh on an upcoming Sunday when there are engineering works on the West Coast Mainline. Journey on the West Coast would take 9-10 hours with replacement buses, which is horrendous.
Checked National Rail Enquiries and found that she can take a journey of 7 hours up the East Coast Mainline, via York and using the TransPennine Express to get across from Manchester or Liverpool. Much better. Except, none of the train companies are able to find the journey on their websites. CrossCountry even reckon that York (York!) is an invalid station.
Has anyone come across this sort of thing before? Any advice?
cant you just buy the ticket on national rail enquiries, go to advanced options - travel via york.
A puzzle for the train enthusiasts. Trying to book a ticket for my daughter from North Wales to Edinburgh on an upcoming Sunday when there are engineering works on the West Coast Mainline. Journey on the West Coast would take 9-10 hours with replacement buses, which is horrendous.
Checked National Rail Enquiries and found that she can take a journey of 7 hours up the East Coast Mainline, via York and using the TransPennine Express to get across from Manchester or Liverpool. Much better. Except, none of the train companies are able to find the journey on their websites. CrossCountry even reckon that York (York!) is an invalid station.
Has anyone come across this sort of thing before? Any advice?
Try Loco2.com Excellent site for train journeys all over the UK and Europe. Use otger options to enter York as a 'via station
Of course he will involve himself in a second referendum - that's not really the same as returning to the frontline, is it?
I do like this though:
Mr Salmond also claimed the UK government’s refusal to give in to Ms Sturgeon’s demands on the EU powers dispute had made the case for independence “virtually unanswerable”
People less certain one way or the other may or may not agree that the dispute has had that unintended outcome, but given he's been thinking the case for independence was virtually unanswerable for decade upon decade, I'm not sure what extra weight such a pronouncement carries.
Newspapers made a huge mistake when they cleared out all the journalists and retained all the expensive op-ed writers. Reasonably good writers are plentiful. In order to provide a point of difference, newspapers need to supply something which the public can't get relatively easily elsewhere. In the case of newspapers, that something is news. That needs the fact-finders - the journalists.
A puzzle for the train enthusiasts. Trying to book a ticket for my daughter from North Wales to Edinburgh on an upcoming Sunday when there are engineering works on the West Coast Mainline. Journey on the West Coast would take 9-10 hours with replacement buses, which is horrendous.
Checked National Rail Enquiries and found that she can take a journey of 7 hours up the East Coast Mainline, via York and using the TransPennine Express to get across from Manchester or Liverpool. Much better. Except, none of the train companies are able to find the journey on their websites. CrossCountry even reckon that York (York!) is an invalid station.
Has anyone come across this sort of thing before? Any advice?
I've done Edinburgh to Llandudno junction before. 4-5 hours. Think there is a direct Crewe to Edinburgh every 2 hours?
Edit to add: Sorry, I'm being an idiot - WCML down and the delay is lengthy...
A puzzle for the train enthusiasts. Trying to book a ticket for my daughter from North Wales to Edinburgh on an upcoming Sunday when there are engineering works on the West Coast Mainline. Journey on the West Coast would take 9-10 hours with replacement buses, which is horrendous.
Checked National Rail Enquiries and found that she can take a journey of 7 hours up the East Coast Mainline, via York and using the TransPennine Express to get across from Manchester or Liverpool. Much better. Except, none of the train companies are able to find the journey on their websites. CrossCountry even reckon that York (York!) is an invalid station.
Has anyone come across this sort of thing before? Any advice?
cant you just buy the ticket on national rail enquiries, go to advanced options - travel via york.
That's where I found the route, but when you try and buy the ticket it sends you to a train company website - which can't then find the journey. You can't buy tickets directly from national rail enquiries.
A puzzle for the train enthusiasts. Trying to book a ticket for my daughter from North Wales to Edinburgh on an upcoming Sunday when there are engineering works on the West Coast Mainline. Journey on the West Coast would take 9-10 hours with replacement buses, which is horrendous.
Checked National Rail Enquiries and found that she can take a journey of 7 hours up the East Coast Mainline, via York and using the TransPennine Express to get across from Manchester or Liverpool. Much better. Except, none of the train companies are able to find the journey on their websites. CrossCountry even reckon that York (York!) is an invalid station.
Has anyone come across this sort of thing before? Any advice?
Try Loco2.com Excellent site for train journeys all over the UK and Europe. Use otger options to enter York as a 'via station
Yes, loco can find the route. They're unable to apply the young person's railcard discount though. You can add the railcard but it doesn't apply the discount.
A puzzle for the train enthusiasts. Trying to book a ticket for my daughter from North Wales to Edinburgh on an upcoming Sunday when there are engineering works on the West Coast Mainline. Journey on the West Coast would take 9-10 hours with replacement buses, which is horrendous.
Checked National Rail Enquiries and found that she can take a journey of 7 hours up the East Coast Mainline, via York and using the TransPennine Express to get across from Manchester or Liverpool. Much better. Except, none of the train companies are able to find the journey on their websites. CrossCountry even reckon that York (York!) is an invalid station.
Has anyone come across this sort of thing before? Any advice?
cant you just buy the ticket on national rail enquiries, go to advanced options - travel via york.
That's where I found the route, but when you try and buy the ticket it sends you to a train company website - which can't then find the journey. You can't buy tickets directly from national rail enquiries.
Suspect via York is not a valid route. Just tricked on split ticketing and it doesn't come up as a fare for via York...
A puzzle for the train enthusiasts. Trying to book a ticket for my daughter from North Wales to Edinburgh on an upcoming Sunday when there are engineering works on the West Coast Mainline. Journey on the West Coast would take 9-10 hours with replacement buses, which is horrendous.
Checked National Rail Enquiries and found that she can take a journey of 7 hours up the East Coast Mainline, via York and using the TransPennine Express to get across from Manchester or Liverpool. Much better. Except, none of the train companies are able to find the journey on their websites. CrossCountry even reckon that York (York!) is an invalid station.
Has anyone come across this sort of thing before? Any advice?
My advice is to go to a manned station and explain what you are looking for. Generally staff are good at getting you what you want. It can sometimes be cheaper to buy two linked advance fares than a through ticket, although you run the risk of losing your ticket if the first train is delayed.
A puzzle for the train enthusiasts. Trying to book a ticket for my daughter from North Wales to Edinburgh on an upcoming Sunday when there are engineering works on the West Coast Mainline. Journey on the West Coast would take 9-10 hours with replacement buses, which is horrendous.
Checked National Rail Enquiries and found that she can take a journey of 7 hours up the East Coast Mainline, via York and using the TransPennine Express to get across from Manchester or Liverpool. Much better. Except, none of the train companies are able to find the journey on their websites. CrossCountry even reckon that York (York!) is an invalid station.
Has anyone come across this sort of thing before? Any advice?
My advice is to go to a manned station and explain what you are looking for. Generally staff are good at getting you what you want. It can sometimes be cheaper to buy two linked advance fares than a through ticket, although you run the risk of losing your ticket if the first train is delayed.
It does look like it's that or buy one ticket to York and another onward from York.
Not impressed by the algorithms. Even Google wants to route the journey up the West Coast even though the engineering delays make the journey faster on the East Coast.
Bit foolish to sign up to that Irish border backstop. Dilemma now is whether to break own agreement, rendering further promises useless, or to dance to an Irish jig.
With May in charge, what could possibly go wrong?
If May stays in the single market beyond the current extension she will be replaced.
Bit foolish to sign up to that Irish border backstop. Dilemma now is whether to break own agreement, rendering further promises useless, or to dance to an Irish jig.
With May in charge, what could possibly go wrong?
If May stays in the single market beyond the current extension she will be replaced.
Except she’ll have stood down before the extension expires. It’s genius.
Bit foolish to sign up to that Irish border backstop. Dilemma now is whether to break own agreement, rendering further promises useless, or to dance to an Irish jig.
With May in charge, what could possibly go wrong?
This just proved Gove and Johnson right - that any attempt to compromise on the backstop text (eg by extending the date of leaving the CU to allow for new technologies to be introduced) would just be taken by the EU as a further reason to insist on permanent CU and SM membership.
May is a fool. No wonder the Remainers on this place suddenly support her...
A puzzle for the train enthusiasts. Trying to book a ticket for my daughter from North Wales to Edinburgh on an upcoming Sunday when there are engineering works on the West Coast Mainline. Journey on the West Coast would take 9-10 hours with replacement buses, which is horrendous.
Checked National Rail Enquiries and found that she can take a journey of 7 hours up the East Coast Mainline, via York and using the TransPennine Express to get across from Manchester or Liverpool. Much better. Except, none of the train companies are able to find the journey on their websites. CrossCountry even reckon that York (York!) is an invalid station.
Has anyone come across this sort of thing before? Any advice?
Try Loco2.com Excellent site for train journeys all over the UK and Europe. Use otger options to enter York as a 'via station
Yes, loco can find the route. They're unable to apply the young person's railcard discount though. You can add the railcard but it doesn't apply the discount.
I just managed to get it to apply a youth discount. I clicked on the age category on the first page, added the age, added in the via York option and got a price a third lower than the price without the out discount
Bit foolish to sign up to that Irish border backstop. Dilemma now is whether to break own agreement, rendering further promises useless, or to dance to an Irish jig.
With May in charge, what could possibly go wrong?
If May stays in the single market beyond the current extension she will be replaced.
Except she’ll have stood down before the extension expires. It’s genius.
And if she extends the single market membership longer, the Tory membership will ensure a hard Brexiteer will replace her, and will abandon any such extension.
He [Varadkar] said: “Any move on customs with the UK would be welcome but I need to be very clear that avoiding a hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland is about more than customs. The single market and aspects related to regulation are important as well.”
That's what we have been saying on here. Single market here we come (dressed up in other words).
"Varadkar later told reporters that, during 45 minutes of talks, May had sketched out her hopes for what he described as a “deep customs arrangement”" That will please the Brexiteers.
I think May will continue to repeat "We are leaving the Customs Union and we are leaving the Single Market" as we stay in the Customs Union and stay in the Single Market. She'll keep saying it until she retires.
Yes, this is totally correct. But of course, this is the same as Cameron's plan at the 're-negotiation' - lie through your teeth so much that you start to believe it is true. Didn't work then. Won't work now. The assumption that 'the people' are stupid and will believe what you tell them was exactly what lost Remain the referendum.
Will just result in a Tory wipeout at the next GE.
A puzzle for the train enthusiasts. Trying to book a ticket for my daughter from North Wales to Edinburgh on an upcoming Sunday when there are engineering works on the West Coast Mainline. Journey on the West Coast would take 9-10 hours with replacement buses, which is horrendous.
Checked National Rail Enquiries and found that she can take a journey of 7 hours up the East Coast Mainline, via York and using the TransPennine Express to get across from Manchester or Liverpool. Much better. Except, none of the train companies are able to find the journey on their websites. CrossCountry even reckon that York (York!) is an invalid station.
Has anyone come across this sort of thing before? Any advice?
Try Loco2.com Excellent site for train journeys all over the UK and Europe. Use otger options to enter York as a 'via station
Yes, loco can find the route. They're unable to apply the young person's railcard discount though. You can add the railcard but it doesn't apply the discount.
Just realised you are booking from North Wales (not sure where) and I had picked up on Liverpòl in your original post and was trying from there. When I put Llandudno into a differnt enquiry it wouldn't pay the discount. I suggest booking the journey from Liverpool or Manchester via York with railcard and then booking a separate ticket from your daughters starting point to Liverpool or Mancheater
He [Varadkar] said: “Any move on customs with the UK would be welcome but I need to be very clear that avoiding a hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland is about more than customs. The single market and aspects related to regulation are important as well.”
That's what we have been saying on here. Single market here we come (dressed up in other words).
"Varadkar later told reporters that, during 45 minutes of talks, May had sketched out her hopes for what he described as a “deep customs arrangement”" That will please the Brexiteers.
I think May will continue to repeat "We are leaving the Customs Union and we are leaving the Single Market" as we stay in the Customs Union and stay in the Single Market. She'll keep saying it until she retires.
Yes, this is totally correct. But of course, this is the same as Cameron's plan at the 're-negotiation' - lie through your teeth so much that you start to believe it is true. Didn't work then. Won't work now. The assumption that 'the people' are stupid and will believe what you tell them was exactly what lost Remain the referendum.
Will just result in a Tory wipeout at the next GE.
How much of a wipeout do you reckon?
Fewer than 200 seats?
I'll offer you 10-1 on the double of a customs "partnership" and Tories sub 200 seats.
He [Varadkar] said: “Any move on customs with the UK would be welcome but I need to be very clear that avoiding a hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland is about more than customs. The single market and aspects related to regulation are important as well.”
That's what we have been saying on here. Single market here we come (dressed up in other words).
"Varadkar later told reporters that, during 45 minutes of talks, May had sketched out her hopes for what he described as a “deep customs arrangement”" That will please the Brexiteers.
I think May will continue to repeat "We are leaving the Customs Union and we are leaving the Single Market" as we stay in the Customs Union and stay in the Single Market. She'll keep saying it until she retires.
Yes, this is totally correct. But of course, this is the same as Cameron's plan at the 're-negotiation' - lie through your teeth so much that you start to believe it is true. Didn't work then. Won't work now. The assumption that 'the people' are stupid and will believe what you tell them was exactly what lost Remain the referendum.
Will just result in a Tory wipeout at the next GE.
Worth noting the interplay between councillor number and 'wipeout'; for all sorts of reasons (psephological, logistical etc) it is rare to see a party with huge numbers of councillors wiped out at a national level.
Bit foolish to sign up to that Irish border backstop. Dilemma now is whether to break own agreement, rendering further promises useless, or to dance to an Irish jig.
With May in charge, what could possibly go wrong?
This just proved Gove and Johnson right - that any attempt to compromise on the backstop text (eg by extending the date of leaving the CU to allow for new technologies to be introduced) would just be taken by the EU as a further reason to insist on permanent CU and SM membership.
May is a fool. No wonder the Remainers on this place suddenly support her...
The article does not actually say the Irish demand the UK stay in the single market if you read it, just that the UK follow 'many of its rules' which will largely be happening with regulatory alignment to avoid a hard border anyway.
The UK can still technically leave the single market and end free movement even if it does do that, indeed according to the article the 'backstop' would still enable the UK to agree its own trade deals
Not that surprising considering both voted Remain but one has sunshine and the other mainly rain and wind and one has almost everybody proud to be British the other has about 40% who do nothing but whinge about being British.
Though of course such a choice will not be required anyway given latest Holyrood 2021 polls give unionist parties a majority even after the Brexit vote
Brendan O'Neill's piece is ill-informed nonsense. Those who play FOBTs aren't interested in betting on horse racing or greyhound racing, real or virtual.
"I know people who frequent betting shops, mainly to bet on horses, and they will occasionally spend 10 or 20 quid on an FOBT if they’re bored. I expect that’s how the majority of FOBT-users engage with these machines." Because there are no grounds for thinking that the subset of FOBT gamblers who know someone who writes for the Spectator differ in any material respect from the others. I have rarely read a more insultingly stupid article about anything, ever.
I regularly read O’Neill’s pieces on Spiked for pure entertainment - the contortions he is willing to execute towards his goal of perennial contrarianism are a sight to behold.
He [Varadkar] said: “Any move on customs with the UK would be welcome but I need to be very clear that avoiding a hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland is about more than customs. The single market and aspects related to regulation are important as well.”
That's what we have been saying on here. Single market here we come (dressed up in other words).
"Varadkar later told reporters that, during 45 minutes of talks, May had sketched out her hopes for what he described as a “deep customs arrangement”" That will please the Brexiteers.
I think May will continue to repeat "We are leaving the Customs Union and we are leaving the Single Market" as we stay in the Customs Union and stay in the Single Market. She'll keep saying it until she retires.
Yes, this is totally correct. But of course, this is the same as Cameron's plan at the 're-negotiation' - lie through your teeth so much that you start to believe it is true. Didn't work then. Won't work now. The assumption that 'the people' are stupid and will believe what you tell them was exactly what lost Remain the referendum.
Will just result in a Tory wipeout at the next GE.
Worth noting the interplay between councillor number and 'wipeout'; for all sorts of reasons (psephological, logistical etc) it is rare to see a party with huge numbers of councillors wiped out at a national level.
May appears to have come to the conclusion that CU and SM-lite is the least worst option, given the hand she was played. I trust we will all rejoice at that news.
He [Varadkar] said: “Any move on customs with the UK would be welcome but I need to be very clear that avoiding a hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland is about more than customs. The single market and aspects related to regulation are important as well.”
That's what we have been saying on here. Single market here we come (dressed up in other words).
"Varadkar later told reporters that, during 45 minutes of talks, May had sketched out her hopes for what he described as a “deep customs arrangement”" That will please the Brexiteers.
I think May will continue to repeat "We are leaving the Customs Union and we are leaving the Single Market" as we stay in the Customs Union and stay in the Single Market. She'll keep saying it until she retires.
Yes, this is totally correct. But of course, this is the same as Cameron's plan at the 're-negotiation' - lie through your teeth so much that you start to believe it is true. Didn't work then. Won't work now. The assumption that 'the people' are stupid and will believe what you tell them was exactly what lost Remain the referendum.
Will just result in a Tory wipeout at the next GE.
Worth noting the interplay between councillor number and 'wipeout'; for all sorts of reasons (psephological, logistical etc) it is rare to see a party with huge numbers of councillors wiped out at a national level.
Also, archer is simply wrong.
What will determine the vast majority of votes in 2022 is how people answer the question: am I personally feeling better?
If there is a recession - maybe caused by the UK savings rate normalising - then people will blame the government.
If there is a meaningful reduction in immigration, while the economy booms, then people will thank the government.
People care about results, not slogans. If Brexit is a success, they won't care about whether we're in a customs partnership or not, they will be happy and vote for those who espoused it. If Brexit is seen as a failure, those same people will be blamed.
And yet what moves the economy more than anything in the next four years will be the economic cycle, the policies of the government, and the external environment. Brexit will probably be a distant fourth. Yet it will be blamed - or thanked - for everything.
A puzzle for the train enthusiasts. Trying to book a ticket for my daughter from North Wales to Edinburgh on an upcoming Sunday when there are engineering works on the West Coast Mainline. Journey on the West Coast would take 9-10 hours with replacement buses, which is horrendous.
Checked National Rail Enquiries and found that she can take a journey of 7 hours up the East Coast Mainline, via York and using the TransPennine Express to get across from Manchester or Liverpool. Much better. Except, none of the train companies are able to find the journey on their websites. CrossCountry even reckon that York (York!) is an invalid station.
Has anyone come across this sort of thing before? Any advice?
My advice is to go to a manned station and explain what you are looking for. Generally staff are good at getting you what you want. It can sometimes be cheaper to buy two linked advance fares than a through ticket, although you run the risk of losing your ticket if the first train is delayed.
It does look like it's that or buy one ticket to York and another onward from York.
Not impressed by the algorithms. Even Google wants to route the journey up the West Coast even though the engineering delays make the journey faster on the East Coast.
Looks like two advance tickets are cheaper than the through fare of £129 one-way
Brendan O'Neill's piece is ill-informed nonsense. Those who play FOBTs aren't interested in betting on horse racing or greyhound racing, real or virtual.
"I know people who frequent betting shops, mainly to bet on horses, and they will occasionally spend 10 or 20 quid on an FOBT if they’re bored. I expect that’s how the majority of FOBT-users engage with these machines." Because there are no grounds for thinking that the subset of FOBT gamblers who know someone who writes for the Spectator differ in any material respect from the others. I have rarely read a more insultingly stupid article about anything, ever.
Actually he's probably right.
The majority of people probably don't gamble stupid amounts.
That's not the problem though, the problem is those people (even if they're a minority of overall punters) who do gamble stupid amounts. Those may even make up a majority of profits for the FOBTs.
As for gamblers putting in £10 or £20 if bored, that can still be done in very few spins if its £2 per spin.
Bit foolish to sign up to that Irish border backstop. Dilemma now is whether to break own agreement, rendering further promises useless, or to dance to an Irish jig.
With May in charge, what could possibly go wrong?
This just proved Gove and Johnson right - that any attempt to compromise on the backstop text (eg by extending the date of leaving the CU to allow for new technologies to be introduced) would just be taken by the EU as a further reason to insist on permanent CU and SM membership.
May is a fool. No wonder the Remainers on this place suddenly support her...
The article does not actually say the Irish demand the UK stay in the single market if you read it, just that the UK follow 'many of its rules' which will largely be happening with regulatory alignment to avoid a hard border anyway.
The UK can still technically leave the single market and end free movement even if it does do that, indeed according to the article the 'backstop' would still enable the UK to agree its own trade deals
Funny when I was saying exactly this - that staying in the CU was not going to be enough and we would be forced to stay in the SM - you were saying I was wrong. It was blindingly obvious that this would be the next move by the EU.
I have little time tonight (work is insane at the moment) so I'll keep this brief.
1) I was saddened by the FOBT thing 2) I set out my objections a few days ago. 3) The only person who responded with data was @NickPalmer (thank you, btw) and the data he gave just state that the amount of money spent gambling has risen over the past X years and that FOBTs were the third-largest component of that rise. 4) In order to be persuaded that this is a Good Thing instead of a Bad Thing, I need two numbers, namely: a) what is the present number of gambling addicts*1 and b) what is the predicted number of gambling addicts*1 after this ban? 5) I don't believe *anybody* sat down and came up with a number for either a or b. 6) Instead I assume this was a well-meaning-but-too-vague argument along the lines of "gambling ruins lives, these machines are used by gamblers, therefore we must slow them down because that will reduce the number of addicts". This is superficially plausible but dependent on too many unspoken assumptions. 7) If my assumption is true and that this is legislation with unmodelled efficacy intended to cure a problem whose magnitude is similarly unstated, then this is ground for sadness as laws should not be passed in such a slapdash manner.
I now return you to your banging on about whatever is today's objet de discussion
Notes *1: defined as people whose habit inhibits their ability to function independently and lawfully
Brendan O'Neill's piece is ill-informed nonsense. Those who play FOBTs aren't interested in betting on horse racing or greyhound racing, real or virtual.
The imp in me needs to point out that of course it's ill-informed nonsense. It's a Spectator article. Duh...
There must still be a final opportunity for the Tories to get her out in the next month or so...
By letting her betray Brexit they are the one's about to go over the cliff (electorally) they must realize this?
lets just wait and see what the government actually proposes and what the white paper has to say before we rush to judgment. If the customs extension is strictly time limited for a matter of months to allow new technology to be in place in time, and single market alignment is specifically excluded from the backstop agreement , then i think a sensible pragmatic solution that ultimately leads to Brexit in the true sense of the word can be brought about and her words in black and white can be hold her to account if she backslides from her promises to enable us strike our own trade deals, end free movement and regain control of our laws etc. i think wait and see before rushing to judgment
Bit foolish to sign up to that Irish border backstop. Dilemma now is whether to break own agreement, rendering further promises useless, or to dance to an Irish jig.
With May in charge, what could possibly go wrong?
This just proved Gove and Johnson right - that any attempt to compromise on the backstop text (eg by extending the date of leaving the CU to allow for new technologies to be introduced) would just be taken by the EU as a further reason to insist on permanent CU and SM membership.
May is a fool. No wonder the Remainers on this place suddenly support her...
The article does not actually say the Irish demand the UK stay in the single market if you read it, just that the UK follow 'many of its rules' which will largely be happening with regulatory alignment to avoid a hard border anyway.
The UK can still technically leave the single market and end free movement even if it does do that, indeed according to the article the 'backstop' would still enable the UK to agree its own trade deals
Funny when I was saying exactly this - that staying in the CU was not going to be enough and we would be forced to stay in the SM - you were saying I was wrong. It was blindingly obvious that this would be the next move by the EU.
You were wrong.
As I said if you actually read the article it did not say we would be forced to stay in the SM or to keep free movement
Not that surprising considering both voted Remain but one has sunshine and the other mainly rain and wind and one has almost everybody proud to be British the other has about 40% who do nothing but whinge about being British.
Though of course such a choice will not be required anyway given latest Holyrood 2021 polls give unionist parties a majority even after the Brexit vote
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The EU fights back against blackmail.
Checked National Rail Enquiries and found that she can take a journey of 7 hours up the East Coast Mainline, via York and using the TransPennine Express to get across from Manchester or Liverpool. Much better. Except, none of the train companies are able to find the journey on their websites. CrossCountry even reckon that York (York!) is an invalid station.
Has anyone come across this sort of thing before? Any advice?
The idea that our future arrangements might be beholden to those made by the EU with relatively minor trading partners has always seemed daft to me. It simply will be a tailor made deal that suits both sides. Our trousering may not necessarily have the turn-ups we'd like, and their lapels might be a little shallower cut than they'd like, but that's the way it will be.
With May in charge, what could possibly go wrong?
I do like this though:
Mr Salmond also claimed the UK government’s refusal to give in to Ms Sturgeon’s demands on the EU powers dispute had made the case for independence “virtually unanswerable”
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/alex-salmond-pledges-return-to-frontline-politics-when-sturgeon-calls-indyref2-1-4741252
People less certain one way or the other may or may not agree that the dispute has had that unintended outcome, but given he's been thinking the case for independence was virtually unanswerable for decade upon decade, I'm not sure what extra weight such a pronouncement carries.
Edit to add: Sorry, I'm being an idiot - WCML down and the delay is lengthy...
Not impressed by the algorithms. Even Google wants to route the journey up the West Coast even though the engineering delays make the journey faster on the East Coast.
May is a fool. No wonder the Remainers on this place suddenly support her...
Will just result in a Tory wipeout at the next GE.
Fewer than 200 seats?
I'll offer you 10-1 on the double of a customs "partnership" and Tories sub 200 seats.
The UK can still technically leave the single market and end free movement even if it does do that, indeed according to the article the 'backstop' would still enable the UK to agree its own trade deals
Though of course such a choice will not be required anyway given latest Holyrood 2021 polls give unionist parties a majority even after the Brexit vote
What will determine the vast majority of votes in 2022 is how people answer the question: am I personally feeling better?
If there is a recession - maybe caused by the UK savings rate normalising - then people will blame the government.
If there is a meaningful reduction in immigration, while the economy booms, then people will thank the government.
People care about results, not slogans. If Brexit is a success, they won't care about whether we're in a customs partnership or not, they will be happy and vote for those who espoused it. If Brexit is seen as a failure, those same people will be blamed.
And yet what moves the economy more than anything in the next four years will be the economic cycle, the policies of the government, and the external environment. Brexit will probably be a distant fourth. Yet it will be blamed - or thanked - for everything.
Not sure a photograph of the Irish border sign riddled with bullet holes was a wise choice.
The majority of people probably don't gamble stupid amounts.
That's not the problem though, the problem is those people (even if they're a minority of overall punters) who do gamble stupid amounts. Those may even make up a majority of profits for the FOBTs.
As for gamblers putting in £10 or £20 if bored, that can still be done in very few spins if its £2 per spin.
Yep Theresa May's sold us all down the river.
This time it was more respectable. The Labour candidates polled 400-500 votes
I am still not entirely sure all these activists are old enough to vote. The winning candidates are those with the rosette
https://twitter.com/nathanneilburns/status/991367017721712642
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/18/pm-set-to-nominate-10-tory-peers-in-attempt-to-overcome-brexit-defeats
By letting her betray Brexit they are the one's about to go over the cliff (electorally) they must realize this?
I don't know what The Lords have been worried about we're NOT leaving the EU in any meaningful sense while Theresa May is squatting in Downing St.
1) I was saddened by the FOBT thing
2) I set out my objections a few days ago.
3) The only person who responded with data was @NickPalmer (thank you, btw) and the data he gave just state that the amount of money spent gambling has risen over the past X years and that FOBTs were the third-largest component of that rise.
4) In order to be persuaded that this is a Good Thing instead of a Bad Thing, I need two numbers, namely: a) what is the present number of gambling addicts*1 and b) what is the predicted number of gambling addicts*1 after this ban?
5) I don't believe *anybody* sat down and came up with a number for either a or b.
6) Instead I assume this was a well-meaning-but-too-vague argument along the lines of "gambling ruins lives, these machines are used by gamblers, therefore we must slow them down because that will reduce the number of addicts". This is superficially plausible but dependent on too many unspoken assumptions.
7) If my assumption is true and that this is legislation with unmodelled efficacy intended to cure a problem whose magnitude is similarly unstated, then this is ground for sadness as laws should not be passed in such a slapdash manner.
I now return you to your banging on about whatever is today's objet de discussion
Notes
*1: defined as people whose habit inhibits their ability to function independently and lawfully
Ah, my coat.
As I said if you actually read the article it did not say we would be forced to stay in the SM or to keep free movement