The expression "like a war zone" seems entirely appropriate. If this had happened in any other context than football it would be a COBRA meeting, parliament recalled sort of deal.
Easy experiment: go to Lords and cheer on the Australians. Then go to The Den and cheer the visitors, from the home stands. Let us know if you notice any difference between the two experiences.
I have zero interest in football, and struggle to understand why others do.
It's fashionable among middle class liberals as they think it shows solidarity with w/c culture. It induces my gag reflex.
Bollocks, it simply is fun to watch and talk about. It is a collective experience and a unifying one. Crowds are not particularly working class anymore, and increasingly family friendly and multicultural.
Always fun to touch a nerve.
I don’t see how your comment touched a nerve at all. The idea that people couldn’t possibly just simply enjoy the game, and instead only watch it and go to games to show ‘solidarity with working class culture’ is a bizarre analysis.
Gratuitous swearing suggests nerve touching - your problem if you can't see it .
Perhaps there was (mild) swearing because the comment was uninformed and silly, and deserved an abrupt and dismissive reply?
"But they still finished six points behind Man U and have never won the premiership !!!!!"
The Premiership? Pah!
Every year an English club win the Premiership. Even Leicester (apologies to Dr Fox) did it a couple of years ago. You only have to beat teams like West Brom and Stoke. Very seldom do you see an English club win the European Champions Cup - that is a much rarer feat.
And I'm not even a Liverpool fan.
Thing is you don't need to be the best club in your own country let alone Europe to win the Champions League which is what Liverpool are showing right now. Cup competitions are exciting but don't tell us much about who are the best teams. precisely why Wigan won the FA cup a few years back and got relegated a week later.
Mr. Divvie, honestly, he was the best teacher I had and a very positive influence on me (and others) in many ways. Had his own beliefs (was a Methodist laypreacher) but didn't try to impose them, and emphasised the importance of critical thinking. Very sound fellow indeed.
Ms. Apocalypse, to be fair, lots of things that happen primarily on the internet pass by the mainstream. How many know anything about Gamergate? Most people are blissfully ignorant about Anita Sarkeesian.
Mr. Max, it's a criticism of older white votes (based on them being the colour of gammon). Mind you, the other day Lammy used the expression 'white mansplaining', so it could be worse...
The whole gammon thing has been going on for sometime, Dan Hodges et al are pretty late to noticing this one (as are The Times).
Gammon?
Yes, it’s a term Corbynistas (and tbh even those such as David Whitley who isn’t a Corbynista but a centre left Remainer) use, they’ve been using it since Question Time GE special last year. Here’s an explanation of the origin of the term by someone who I presume is a Corbyn supporter: https://twitter.com/lunaperla/status/995941769337540608?s=20 The Times’ Lucy Fisher has written an article about it, alongside other terms used by Corbyn supporters such as centrist dad.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/05/13/denver-post-profits-newspaper-industry-218360 The business-school label for tactics like Alden’s, in which you get fewer customers to pay more for less, as Philip Meyer wrote in his book The Vanishing Newspaper, is “harvesting market position.” By raising prices and lowering quality, a stagnant business can rely on its most loyal customers to continue to buy the product, allowing it to squeeze and squeeze and squeeze its customers as they croak. This slow liquidation of an asset’s value, destroying even its reputation in the process, kills the product. Wherever newspapers can be found reducing page size, cutting news pages, narrowing coverage area, reducing staff, shrinking circulation area, postponing the purchase of new equipment and raising subscription prices, they are harvesting market position. Faced with two business options, earn small sums from his newspapers over an indeterminate time or cash in big all at once, perhaps hastening the end, Smith has chosen the latter…
Mr. Divvie, honestly, he was the best teacher I had and a very positive influence on me (and others) in many ways. Had his own beliefs (was a Methodist laypreacher) but didn't try to impose them, and emphasised the importance of critical thinking. Very sound fellow indeed.
Ms. Apocalypse, to be fair, lots of things that happen primarily on the internet pass by the mainstream. How many know anything about Gamergate? Most people are blissfully ignorant about Anita Sarkeesian.
Mr. Max, it's a criticism of older white votes (based on them being the colour of gammon). Mind you, the other day Lammy used the expression 'white mansplaining', so it could be worse...
I guess the difference is, is that it’s Hodges et al job to know what’s going on in politics. It’s coming up to nearly a year since this term has been in use. I remember Matt Zarb-Cousin even writing article about it. From that article, it’s clear (in regard to Hodges’ tweet about older white men) that the Corbynistas feel that attempts to reach out to them would require them to compromise their ideology (and it probably would). They don’t want to do that. Older white men are also likely to be Leave voters, and so for that reason alone they’ll likely be apart of the Conservative coalition of voters anyway.
I don't like terms like trot, snowflake, champagne socialist, remoaners, centerist dad, Tory boy or Gammon. But they're seemingly quite effective in the UK, where caricature and humour is used to significant effect.
I see the LibDems are establishing footholds in Merton, Ealing and Haringay. All it takes to start with is two or three enthusiatic members who are willing to campaign on local issues, who attract followers, and then win a few seats and enthuse members in neighbouring districts. The tinder is dry. All it needs is a flame. Then it spreads.
Not as easy as it sounds when there are competitor parties.
The whole gammon thing has been going on for sometime, Dan Hodges et al are pretty late to noticing this one (as are The Times).
Gammon?
Yes, it’s a term Corbynistas (and tbh even those such as David Whitley who isn’t a Corbynista but a centre left Remainer) use, they’ve been using it since Question Time GE special last year. Here’s an explanation of the origin of the term by someone who I presume is a Corbyn supporter:
I don't like terms like trot, snowflake, champagne socialist, remoaners, centerist dad, Tory boy or Gammon. But they're seemingly quite effective in the UK, where caricature and humour is used to significant effect.
At the risk of appearing like someone who actually gives a toss about it, the difference is the personal insult about appearence which makes it nastier than other tags and insults.
I'm feeling old. Can someone explain the latest lefty meme: this 'gammon' thing?
What's a meme?
Oh boy... it's a repeated 'thing' which means something on the internet. If can be a word, phrase, picture etc, but the fact of it being repeated and played with makes it important.
I don't like terms like trot, snowflake, champagne socialist, remoaners, centerist dad, Tory boy or Gammon. But they're seemingly quite effective in the UK, where caricature and humour is used to significant effect.
The effective ones - like 'champagne socialist' illuminate the perceived hypocrisy of the target - most of the rest are just vulgar insults
A fine tribute to English..err..British history. Rumours that future vessels are to be named Mers El Kébir, The Falaise Gap, The Massacre of Drogheda and Flodden have yet to be confirmed.
A fine tribute to English..err..British history. Rumours that future vessels are to be named Mers El Kébir, The Falaise Gap, The Massacre of Drogheda and Flodden have yet to be confirmed.
I don't like terms like trot, snowflake, champagne socialist, remoaners, centerist dad, Tory boy or Gammon. But they're seemingly quite effective in the UK, where caricature and humour is used to significant effect.
The effective ones - like 'champagne socialist' illuminate the perceived hypocrisy of the target - most of the rest are just vulgar insults
Anything that punctures hypocrisy, pomposity or absurdity seem quite effective. None of them are nice and all of them are vulgar insults.
A fine tribute to English..err..British history. Rumours that future vessels are to be named Mers El Kébir, The Falaise Gap, The Massacre of Drogheda and Flodden have yet to be confirmed.
A fine tribute to English..err..British history. Rumours that future vessels are to be named Mers El Kébir, The Falaise Gap, The Massacre of Drogheda and Flodden have yet to be confirmed.
Hugo Rifkind - @hugorifkind: Look, this is easy. When a Snowflake loses its tail and gills, it either grows a record bag and old skool trainers and becomes a Centrist Dad, or it emerges as a Gammon after migrating outside the urban centres while in a pupal stage which resembles a midrange Vauxhall saloon.
A fine tribute to English..err..British history. Rumours that future vessels are to be named Mers El Kébir, The Falaise Gap, The Massacre of Drogheda and Flodden have yet to be confirmed.
I have zero interest in football, and struggle to understand why others do.
It's fashionable among middle class liberals as they think it shows solidarity with w/c culture. It induces my gag reflex.
Bollocks, it simply is fun to watch and talk about. It is a collective experience and a unifying one. Crowds are not particularly working class anymore, and increasingly family friendly and multicultural.
Always fun to touch a nerve.
I don’t see how your comment touched a nerve at all. The idea that people couldn’t possibly just simply enjoy the game, and instead only watch it and go to games to show ‘solidarity with working class culture’ is a bizarre analysis.
Gratuitous swearing suggests nerve touching - your problem if you can't see it .
Lol, bollocks = gratuitous swearing!
Were you bicycling to holy communion through the morning mist this am?
On topic...... When I thought it was impossible to find any more reasos to hate Leavers Mike produces a bar chart to show that even the football teams they support are crap
I have zero interest in football, and struggle to understand why others do.
It's fashionable among middle class liberals as they think it shows solidarity with w/c culture. It induces my gag reflex.
Bollocks, it simply is fun to watch and talk about. It is a collective experience and a unifying one. Crowds are not particularly working class anymore, and increasingly family friendly and multicultural.
Always fun to touch a nerve.
I don’t see how your comment touched a nerve at all. The idea that people couldn’t possibly just simply enjoy the game, and instead only watch it and go to games to show ‘solidarity with working class culture’ is a bizarre analysis.
Gratuitous swearing suggests nerve touching - your problem if you can't see it .
Perhaps there was (mild) swearing because the comment was uninformed and silly, and deserved an abrupt and dismissive reply?
I don't like terms like trot, snowflake, champagne socialist, remoaners, centerist dad, Tory boy or Gammon. But they're seemingly quite effective in the UK, where caricature and humour is used to significant effect.
The effective ones - like 'champagne socialist' illuminate the perceived hypocrisy of the target - most of the rest are just vulgar insults
Anything that punctures hypocrisy, pomposity or absurdity seem quite effective. None of them are nice and all of them are vulgar insults.
A fine tribute to English..err..British history. Rumours that future vessels are to be named Mers El Kébir, The Falaise Gap, The Massacre of Drogheda and Flodden have yet to be confirmed.
I don't like terms like trot, snowflake, champagne socialist, remoaners, centerist dad, Tory boy or Gammon. But they're seemingly quite effective in the UK, where caricature and humour is used to significant effect.
The effective ones - like 'champagne socialist' illuminate the perceived hypocrisy of the target - most of the rest are just vulgar insults
Anything that punctures hypocrisy, pomposity or absurdity seem quite effective. None of them are nice and all of them are vulgar insults.
A fine tribute to English..err..British history. Rumours that future vessels are to be named Mers El Kébir, The Falaise Gap, The Massacre of Drogheda and Flodden have yet to be confirmed.
I don't like terms like trot, snowflake, champagne socialist, remoaners, centerist dad, Tory boy or Gammon. But they're seemingly quite effective in the UK, where caricature and humour is used to significant effect.
The effective ones - like 'champagne socialist' illuminate the perceived hypocrisy of the target - most of the rest are just vulgar insults
Anything that punctures hypocrisy, pomposity or absurdity seem quite effective. None of them are nice and all of them are vulgar insults.
The whole gammon thing has been going on for sometime, Dan Hodges et al are pretty late to noticing this one (as are The Times).
Gammon?
Yes, it’s a term Corbynistas (and tbh even those such as David Whitley who isn’t a Corbynista but a centre left Remainer) use, they’ve been using it since Question Time GE special last year. Here’s an explanation of the origin of the term by someone who I presume is a Corbyn supporter: https://twitter.com/lunaperla/status/995941769337540608?s=20 The Times’ Lucy Fisher has written an article about it, alongside other terms used by Corbyn supporters such as centrist dad.
Don't these terms sound a bit more advertising agency than Corbynista? Though I suppose there must be Corbyn supporters who work in marketing.
A fine tribute to English..err..British history. Rumours that future vessels are to be named Mers El Kébir, The Falaise Gap, The Massacre of Drogheda and Flodden have yet to be confirmed.
A fine tribute to English..err..British history. Rumours that future vessels are to be named Mers El Kébir, The Falaise Gap, The Massacre of Drogheda and Flodden have yet to be confirmed.
By May 26th I’ll have spent 10k watching Liverpool this season, the fact the football Jürgen Klopp is delivering is better than sex helps.
Yesterday was peak Klopp, we only needed a draw and he started with four strikers.
Fun fact, on the 26th of May this year Liverpool will have played in more European finals this millennium than Everton have won derbies. What a world.
But they still finished six points behind Man U and have never won the premiership !!!!!
Football wasn’t invented in 1992.
We’d have finished ahead of Manchester United had we been awarded every penalty we deserved at Anfield. Heck even Spurs won more penalties at Anfield this season than us.
Plus we’ve been distracted trying to win Old Big Ears for the sixth time.
Also shall we compare Klopp’s net spend to Jose’s?
Liverpool were excellent this year and Utd boring.
On topic...... When I thought it was impossible to find any more reasos to hate Leavers Mike produces a bar chart to show that even the football teams they support are crap
Leavers support their local team and are proud of it. Remainers just fall for the glitz of big names and global branding.
A fine tribute to English..err..British history. Rumours that future vessels are to be named Mers El Kébir, The Falaise Gap, The Massacre of Drogheda and Flodden have yet to be confirmed.
On topic...... When I thought it was impossible to find any more reasos to hate Leavers Mike produces a bar chart to show that even the football teams they support are crap
Remainers just fall for the glitz of big names and global branding.
A fine tribute to English..err..British history. Rumours that future vessels are to be named Mers El Kébir, The Falaise Gap, The Massacre of Drogheda and Flodden have yet to be confirmed.
1. David Miliband is a waste of space. Profoundly uninspiring. He will change nobody’s mind, in fact he may even lose Remain voters.
2. I personally find “gammon” hilarious. Contra to rumour, though, it doesn’t describe all white males over 50, just dyspeptic ones who turn up to QT and rant in favour of Brexit.
Heartening to see British Gas losing 110,000 accounts - their unit price for gas is about 3.5p compared to Eon 2.6p or so...
Their best bet is to keep their prices high and just rinse their remaining customer base as anyone left on their standard tariff probably won't go anywhere soon.
I think TM is deliberately letting this go to the wire. A complete impasse. Then an amendment to the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill committing us to staying in a Customs Union is passed and supported by Barnier. Big sigh of relief.
TM: "This isn't a U-Turn. This the Customs Partnership we have been looking for that provides frictionless trade and no hard border." Meanwhile the Brexiteer frogs, in their slowly heating pan, gently simmer.
Heartening to see British Gas losing 110,000 accounts - their unit price for gas is about 3.5p compared to Eon 2.6p or so...
Their best bet is to keep their prices high and just rinse their remaining customer base as anyone left on their standard tariff probably won't go anywhere soon.
I think TM is deliberately letting this go to the wire. A complete impasse. Then an amendment to the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill committing us to staying in a Customs Union is passed and supported by Barnier. Big sigh of relief.
TM: "This isn't a U-Turn. This the Customs Partnership we have been looking for that provides frictionless trade and no hard border." Meanwhile the Brexiteer frogs, in their slowly heating pan, gently simmer.
Parliament doesn't make treaties.
And if going back on leaving the customs union happened, Graham Brady's postman would be deluged....
I don't like terms like trot, snowflake, champagne socialist, remoaners, centerist dad, Tory boy or Gammon. But they're seemingly quite effective in the UK, where caricature and humour is used to significant effect.
The effective ones - like 'champagne socialist' illuminate the perceived hypocrisy of the target - most of the rest are just vulgar insults
Anything that punctures hypocrisy, pomposity or absurdity seem quite effective. None of them are nice and all of them are vulgar insults.
I always took centrist dad to be mostly light-hearted rather then a serious attempt to skewer somebody's politics
Is the latest climbdown from May to claim that neither customs model will work, but that perhaps max fac will work in several years and therefore we have no choice but to sign up to a continuation of *a* customs union which replicates *the* customs union with some fudgey words around it to satisfy Ireland, the EU, the DUP, and the ERG?
Basically, a reformulation of what we agreed in December?
I think TM is deliberately letting this go to the wire. A complete impasse. Then an amendment to the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill committing us to staying in a Customs Union is passed and supported by Barnier. Big sigh of relief.
TM: "This isn't a U-Turn. This the Customs Partnership we have been looking for that provides frictionless trade and no hard border." Meanwhile the Brexiteer frogs, in their slowly heating pan, gently simmer.
Parliament doesn't make treaties.
And if going back on leaving the customs union happened, Graham Brady's postman would be deluged....
Parliament does make governments. Graham Brady's postman can be as run ragged but it still won't change the parliamentary arithmetic.
Is the latest climbdown from May to claim that neither customs model will work, but that perhaps max fac will work in several years and therefore we have no choice but to sign up to a continuation of a customs union which replicates *the* customs union with some fudgey words around it to satisfy Ireland, the EU, the DUP, and the ERG?
Basically, a reformulation of what we agreed in December?
Yes I think that is correct, future Gov'ts can diverge customs wise but it's probably a bit quick to do anything in a year so it'll be the status quo ante for the moment.
Is the latest climbdown from May to claim that neither customs model will work, but that perhaps max fac will work in several years and therefore we have no choice but to sign up to a continuation of *a* customs union which replicates *the* customs union with some fudgey words around it to satisfy Ireland, the EU, the DUP, and the ERG?
Basically, a reformulation of what we agreed in December?
Working on MaxFac and extending a transition on the CU would make tons of sense. I suspect it'll be the compromise.
Working towards NCP would be a dreadful decision; doing that and extending the transition would, I suspect, lead to events...
I think TM is deliberately letting this go to the wire. A complete impasse. Then an amendment to the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill committing us to staying in a Customs Union is passed and supported by Barnier. Big sigh of relief.
TM: "This isn't a U-Turn. This the Customs Partnership we have been looking for that provides frictionless trade and no hard border." Meanwhile the Brexiteer frogs, in their slowly heating pan, gently simmer.
Parliament doesn't make treaties.
And if going back on leaving the customs union happened, Graham Brady's postman would be deluged....
It's not going back on leaving the Customs Union. It is a Customs Partnership you see. If the Brexiteers thought they could depose Mrs May they would have acted already. She's a clever woman. Slowly turning up the heat on the boiling frogs.
Is the latest climbdown from May to claim that neither customs model will work, but that perhaps max fac will work in several years and therefore we have no choice but to sign up to a continuation of *a* customs union which replicates *the* customs union with some fudgey words around it to satisfy Ireland, the EU, the DUP, and the ERG?
Basically, a reformulation of what we agreed in December?
Working on MaxFac and extending a transition on the CU would make tons of sense. I suspect it'll be the compromise.
Working towards NCP would be a dreadful decision; doing that and extending the transition would, I suspect, lead to events...
I think I’m the only Remainer here who wants out of the CU.
But, if we agree an extended CU transition, where does it leave Mr Fox and the hundreds of FTAs we will have signed on “Day 1”?
Gammon has been in common parlance ever since the infamous "Wall of Gammon" episode of QT where nine late middle aged white men with high blood pressure expressed a preference for leaving the EU.
You can easily work out who the PB.com gammons are...
Is the latest climbdown from May to claim that neither customs model will work, but that perhaps max fac will work in several years and therefore we have no choice but to sign up to a continuation of *a* customs union which replicates *the* customs union with some fudgey words around it to satisfy Ireland, the EU, the DUP, and the ERG?
Basically, a reformulation of what we agreed in December?
LOL. Never before in politics has the difference between the definite article and the indefinite article meant so much, and so little.
Is the latest climbdown from May to claim that neither customs model will work, but that perhaps max fac will work in several years and therefore we have no choice but to sign up to a continuation of *a* customs union which replicates *the* customs union with some fudgey words around it to satisfy Ireland, the EU, the DUP, and the ERG?
Basically, a reformulation of what we agreed in December?
I can't fathom why the EU complains about us not knowing what we want
Gammon has been in common parlance ever since the infamous "Wall of Gammon" episode of QT where nine late middle aged white men with high blood pressure expressed a preference for leaving the EU.
You can easily work out who the PB.com gammons are...
I don’t think usage by a few thousand Twittering Corbynistas and their sympathisers counts as ‘common parlance’.
Gammon has been in common parlance ever since the infamous "Wall of Gammon" episode of QT where nine late middle aged white men with high blood pressure expressed a preference for leaving the EU.
You can easily work out who the PB.com gammons are...
I don’t think usage by a few thousand Twittering Corbynistas and their sympathisers counts as ‘common parlance’.
Besides, who is more ‘gammon’ than Ken Clarke?
You have to be angry and working class (or best, lower-middle class) to be gammon. Like everything in the U.K., there is a class connotation.
Is the latest climbdown from May to claim that neither customs model will work, but that perhaps max fac will work in several years and therefore we have no choice but to sign up to a continuation of *a* customs union which replicates *the* customs union with some fudgey words around it to satisfy Ireland, the EU, the DUP, and the ERG?
Basically, a reformulation of what we agreed in December?
LOL. Never before in politics has the difference between the definite article and the indefinite article meant so much, and so little.
Brexit is a bloody joke.
Ironically(?), the softer the Brexit, the less likely it is to be reversed.
Is the latest climbdown from May to claim that neither customs model will work, but that perhaps max fac will work in several years and therefore we have no choice but to sign up to a continuation of *a* customs union which replicates *the* customs union with some fudgey words around it to satisfy Ireland, the EU, the DUP, and the ERG?
Basically, a reformulation of what we agreed in December?
LOL. Never before in politics has the difference between the definite article and the indefinite article meant so much, and so little.
Brexit is a bloody joke.
Ironically(?), the softer the Brexit, the less likely it is to be reversed.
I think a reversal of Brexit post exit with the UK in the same form as it is today is unlikely. Re-accession would be accompanied by dissolution.
Gammon has been in common parlance ever since the infamous "Wall of Gammon" episode of QT where nine late middle aged white men with high blood pressure expressed a preference for leaving the EU.
You can easily work out who the PB.com gammons are...
Why is it necessary to insult those with whom one politically disagrees? Really, why?
Calling older white men "gammon". How childish. Imagine if you called older black men something food and colour related in a sneering way because of their views.
We're expected to understand why people feel they way they do and respect their views, religions, ways of life on the one hand and on the other it's permissible to insult people in this country just because they don't live in London and don't think the sun shines out of the arse of those who have done very well for themselves.
Why not try a bit of listening and understanding for a change. Maybe it won't change people's minds. But maybe just maybe people might understand that diversity applies to people's opinions just as much as to their lifestyles.
I am one of those who have done well and live in London. But I find myself embarrassed by the condescending sneering and dismissal by people like me of those who are not as fortunate as me. It does not reflect well on those who do it.
And if I have done it to others, well I apologise in advance. I'm only human and make mistakes. A bit of generosity others would not go amiss now and then.
I think TM is deliberately letting this go to the wire. A complete impasse. Then an amendment to the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill committing us to staying in a Customs Union is passed and supported by Barnier. Big sigh of relief.
TM: "This isn't a U-Turn. This the Customs Partnership we have been looking for that provides frictionless trade and no hard border." Meanwhile the Brexiteer frogs, in their slowly heating pan, gently simmer.
Parliament doesn't make treaties.
And if going back on leaving the customs union happened, Graham Brady's postman would be deluged....
It's not going back on leaving the Customs Union. It is a Customs Partnership you see. If the Brexiteers thought they could depose Mrs May they would have acted already. She's a clever woman. Slowly turning up the heat on the boiling frogs.
Brexiteers have had no need to. Reneging on the possibility of actually having sovereignty, via staying in the CU, would be precipitous.
Remember the Lancaster House speech? We're leaving.
Not sure if it's already been mentioned regarding Mike's piece but surely more relevant information would be if the fanbases of the clubs are leave or remain. Given football (despite the high prices) remains predominantly a working class male sport I would be amazed if the fanbase of any teams in The Premier League with the exceptions of Arsenal (high amount of rich and BAME support) and Everton (support largely taken from within 58% remain Liverpool) were majority remain.
I would be staggered if Manchester City who topped the league did not have a predominantly leave supporting fanbase when you consider the profile of the fans and the referendum results across Greater Manchester.
What an incredibly dishonest segment last night by John Oliver on Venezuela. Apparently their problems have nothing to do with socialism and very little to do with Chavez....Apparently it is all to do with inflation (which has nothing to do with socialism), corruption (which has nothing to do with socialism), mismanagement (which has nothing to do with socialism). and the main fault is laid at the current presidents door.
And you've been paying attention.....the average voter (quite sensibly) less so....
Well, quite.
One of my beliefs is that actually the U.K. could concede every point, *including* FOM to the EU, and if worded properly, no one would notice.
No way, ending FOM is non negotiable and the main reason Leave got over 50%
Just call it FOW (Freedom to Work) and no one would care. Honestly.
The main issue is our courts interpretation of the FOM rules. More importantly the parliamentary arithmetic is against FOM but for CU, see my MP John Mann for instance.
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The expression "like a war zone" seems entirely appropriate. If this had happened in any other context than football it would be a COBRA meeting, parliament recalled sort of deal.
Easy experiment: go to Lords and cheer on the Australians. Then go to The Den and cheer the visitors, from the home stands. Let us know if you notice any difference between the two experiences.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/995945408164704257
Ms. Apocalypse, to be fair, lots of things that happen primarily on the internet pass by the mainstream. How many know anything about Gamergate? Most people are blissfully ignorant about Anita Sarkeesian.
Mr. Max, it's a criticism of older white votes (based on them being the colour of gammon). Mind you, the other day Lammy used the expression 'white mansplaining', so it could be worse...
Oh well remain have basically won then.
Us leavers may as well support non league teams.
I'm going to support @staveleymwfc now
The Times’ Lucy Fisher has written an article about it, alongside other terms used by Corbyn supporters such as centrist dad.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/05/13/denver-post-profits-newspaper-industry-218360
The business-school label for tactics like Alden’s, in which you get fewer customers to pay more for less, as Philip Meyer wrote in his book The Vanishing Newspaper, is “harvesting market position.” By raising prices and lowering quality, a stagnant business can rely on its most loyal customers to continue to buy the product, allowing it to squeeze and squeeze and squeeze its customers as they croak. This slow liquidation of an asset’s value, destroying even its reputation in the process, kills the product. Wherever newspapers can be found reducing page size, cutting news pages, narrowing coverage area, reducing staff, shrinking circulation area, postponing the purchase of new equipment and raising subscription prices, they are harvesting market position. Faced with two business options, earn small sums from his newspapers over an indeterminate time or cash in big all at once, perhaps hastening the end, Smith has chosen the latter…
https://twitter.com/lunaperla/status/950524941941792768
Rumours that future vessels are to be named Mers El Kébir, The Falaise Gap, The Massacre of Drogheda and Flodden have yet to be confirmed.
https://twitter.com/PeterAdamSmith/status/995948555964747776
HMS Ramillies would be splendid.
That's the best I can do
https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/05/14/inenglish/1526283248_583506.html?id_externo_rsoc=FB_CM_EN
We all know if Scotland becomes independent they’ll revive the Auld Alliance.
Just Gammon.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/28/france-reinvigorates-auld-alliance-new-base-scotland-consulate
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-summit-why-join-eu-balkans-serbia-albania-berlin-process-a8347111.html
When I was a teenager , England never even got there , in 1974 and 78.
We were told by the BBC to support Scotland , never really had my heart in it.
The same in 94 with Ireland.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/995971841364721664
https://twitter.com/KirstyS_Hughes/status/995973531606413312
It was so named, because it had the expression Oderint dum Metuant painted down the side, "Let them Hate Me, so long as they fear me."
So, is he an Anywhere or a Somewhere?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_naval_battles
1. David Miliband is a waste of space. Profoundly uninspiring. He will change nobody’s mind, in fact he may even lose Remain voters.
2. I personally find “gammon” hilarious. Contra to rumour, though, it doesn’t describe all white males over 50, just dyspeptic ones who turn up to QT and rant in favour of Brexit.
Probably the first notable French victory over the English/ Brits since Patay.
Their best bet is to keep their prices high and just rinse their remaining customer base as anyone left on their standard tariff probably won't go anywhere soon.
TM: "This isn't a U-Turn. This the Customs Partnership we have been looking for that provides frictionless trade and no hard border." Meanwhile the Brexiteer frogs, in their slowly heating pan, gently simmer.
And if going back on leaving the customs union happened, Graham Brady's postman would be deluged....
Is the latest climbdown from May to claim that neither customs model will work, but that perhaps max fac will work in several years and therefore we have no choice but to sign up to a continuation of *a* customs union which replicates *the* customs union with some fudgey words around it to satisfy Ireland, the EU, the DUP, and the ERG?
Basically, a reformulation of what we agreed in December?
Working towards NCP would be a dreadful decision; doing that and extending the transition would, I suspect, lead to events...
But, if we agree an extended CU transition, where does it leave Mr Fox and the hundreds of FTAs we will have signed on “Day 1”?
You can easily work out who the PB.com gammons are...
Brexit is a bloody joke.
One of my beliefs is that actually the U.K. could concede every point, *including* FOM to the EU, and if worded properly, no one would notice.
Besides, who is more ‘gammon’ than Ken Clarke?
This explains:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2018/may/14/is-it-offensive-to-call-ruddy-faced-middle-aged-tories-gammons
Calling older white men "gammon". How childish. Imagine if you called older black men something food and colour related in a sneering way because of their views.
We're expected to understand why people feel they way they do and respect their views, religions, ways of life on the one hand and on the other it's permissible to insult people in this country just because they don't live in London and don't think the sun shines out of the arse of those who have done very well for themselves.
Why not try a bit of listening and understanding for a change. Maybe it won't change people's minds. But maybe just maybe people might understand that diversity applies to people's opinions just as much as to their lifestyles.
I am one of those who have done well and live in London. But I find myself embarrassed by the condescending sneering and dismissal by people like me of those who are not as fortunate as me. It does not reflect well on those who do it.
And if I have done it to others, well I apologise in advance. I'm only human and make mistakes. A bit of generosity others would not go amiss now and then.
Remember the Lancaster House speech? We're leaving.
I would be staggered if Manchester City who topped the league did not have a predominantly leave supporting fanbase when you consider the profile of the fans and the referendum results across Greater Manchester.