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The GE17 result from Lewisham East where there's to be a by-election. Looks like a LAB hold on reduced majority on low turnout pic.twitter.com/spDRfIkIyg
Brilliantly named Green candidate at the last GE. LD vote can only go up from those levels but I can't see them going from lost deposit to actually winning in a year. The referendum wasn't on 23rd of May 2016 it was 23rd of June.
Until the LD disaster of 2015, they and the Tories scrapped for second place. Heidi A wasn’t THAT far in front of the LD when she was first elected. (17966 vs 11750)
Until the LD disaster of 2015, they and the Tories scrapped for second place. Heidi A wasn’t THAT far in front of the LD when she was first elected. (17966 vs 11750)
Looking back a bit further I see that Polly Toynbee stood in 1983 and got 22% of the vote for the SDP.
Tories in Lewisham East should lend their vote to the Lib Dems.
A shock LD victory would put pressure on Corbyn, perhaps leading to his defenestration.
Tories surely want to keep Corbyn until the 2022 General Election, a new Prime Minister and a much better Tory campaign should see Corbyn comfortably beaten and after that he'll be too old.
Tories in Lewisham East should lend their vote to the Lib Dems.
A shock LD victory would put pressure on Corbyn, perhaps leading to his defenestration.
Perhaps the LDs could lend their votes to the Tories?
No, thought not...
... in order to hasten a hard Brexit ??
Who says the 23% who voted Tory aren't Leavers. Why would they want to vote Lib Dem to make Brexit even harder.
It's unlikely in a seat that was 64.5% Remain, but you believe what you want.
In any case i was querying why the LDs would want to lend their vote to the Tories, as that would be interpreted as being in support of the Tory Brexit position. Makes no sense at all.
After oxford uni getting rid of Kim jong mays from the wall of women, the campaign is onto banning Jordan Peterson from the union....We can't be having people we disagree with speaking now can we.
After oxford uni getting rid of Kim jong mays from the wall of women, the campaign is onto banning Jordan Peterson from the union....We can't be having people we disagree with speaking now can we.
Tories in Lewisham East should lend their vote to the Lib Dems.
A shock LD victory would put pressure on Corbyn, perhaps leading to his defenestration.
Perhaps the LDs could lend their votes to the Tories?
No, thought not...
... in order to hasten a hard Brexit ??
Who says the 23% who voted Tory aren't Leavers. Why would they want to vote Lib Dem to make Brexit even harder.
It's unlikely in a seat that was 64.5% Remain, but you believe what you want.
In any case i was querying why the LDs would want to lend their vote to the Tories, as that would be interpreted as being in support of the Tory Brexit position. Makes no sense at all.
Fair enough, not all Tories votes leave, but I suspect a significant number did. Similarly, it makes no sense for those to vote LD.
After oxford uni getting rid of Kim jong mays from the wall of women, the campaign is onto banning Jordan Peterson from the union....We can't be having people we disagree with speaking now can we.
It is in all seriousness rather troubling. I actually think Peterson is a bit of a weird individual and far from convinced about a lot of things he says, but if you also think so (or worse that he is a total charlatan) go and debate him...Isn't that the whole point of the union...
After oxford uni getting rid of Kim jong mays from the wall of women, the campaign is onto banning Jordan Peterson from the union....We can't be having people we disagree with speaking now can we.
It is in all seriousness rather troubling. I actually think Peterson is a bit of a weird individual and far from convinced about a lot of things he says, but if you also think so (or worse that he is a total charlatan) go and debate him...Isn't that the whole point of the union...
banning =/= not inviting in the first place or uninviting.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me that paying Oxford Union members should have a say in who gets invited to speak at their club. And again perfectly reasonable that some people should think this guy has nothing to offer and so shouldn't be invited.
As an aside - Elliott Gulliver-Needham (if a real name) is impressively posh sounding.
O/T, the result from Redbridge is almost identical to Enfield.
Lead candidate only, Con 35.5%, Lab 55.2%, Lib Dem 4.2%, Others 5.1%. Since 2010, that's a 10% swing to Labour.
There is however, better news for the Conservatives in the wards making up Chingford & Wood Green (six from Waltham Forest, two from Redbridge, albeit, boundaries slightly altered from 2014). Lead candidate only:-
Con 15,910 49.5%, Lab 10,940 34.1% Lib Dem 2,931 9.1%, Other 2,304 7.2%..
That represents a swing of 5% to the Conservatives since the general election. The Conservatives won 18 seats, to 5 for Labour.
After oxford uni getting rid of Kim jong mays from the wall of women, the campaign is onto banning Jordan Peterson from the union....We can't be having people we disagree with speaking now can we.
It is in all seriousness rather troubling. I actually think Peterson is a bit of a weird individual and far from convinced about a lot of things he says, but if you also think so (or worse that he is a total charlatan) go and debate him...Isn't that the whole point of the union...
banning =/= not inviting in the first place or uninviting.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me that paying Oxford Union members should have a say in who gets invited to speak at their club. And again perfectly reasonable that some people should think this guy has nothing to offer and so shouldn't be invited.
As an aside - Elliott Gulliver-Needham (if a real name) is impressively posh sounding.
It really is amazing how much they can write about someone that supposedly has nothing to offer. Sounds like they want him uninvited because they don’t agree with what he says.
After oxford uni getting rid of Kim jong mays from the wall of women, the campaign is onto banning Jordan Peterson from the union....We can't be having people we disagree with speaking now can we.
It is in all seriousness rather troubling. I actually think Peterson is a bit of a weird individual and far from convinced about a lot of things he says, but if you also think so (or worse that he is a total charlatan) go and debate him...Isn't that the whole point of the union...
banning =/= not inviting in the first place or uninviting.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me that paying Oxford Union members should have a say in who gets invited to speak at their club. And again perfectly reasonable that some people should think this guy has nothing to offer and so shouldn't be invited.
As an aside - Elliott Gulliver-Needham (if a real name) is impressively posh sounding.
Uninviting is the same as banning.
And the bar for invitees is pretty low these days eg lead singer of slipknot. Not exactly only Nobel prize winners and world leaders.
O/T, the result from Redbridge is almost identical to Enfield.
Lead candidate only, Con 35.5%, Lab 55.2%, Lib Dem 4.2%, Others 5.1%. Since 2010, that's a 10% swing to Labour.
There is however, better news for the Conservatives in the wards making up Chingford & Wood Green (six from Waltham Forest, two from Redbridge, albeit, boundaries slightly altered from 2014). Lead candidate only:-
Con 15,910 49.5%, Lab 10,940 34.1% Lib Dem 2,931 9.1%, Other 2,304 7.2%..
That represents a swing of 5% to the Conservatives since the general election. The Conservatives won 18 seats, to 5 for Labour.
O/T, the result from Redbridge is almost identical to Enfield.
Lead candidate only, Con 35.5%, Lab 55.2%, Lib Dem 4.2%, Others 5.1%. Since 2010, that's a 10% swing to Labour.
There is however, better news for the Conservatives in the wards making up Chingford & Wood Green (six from Waltham Forest, two from Redbridge, albeit, boundaries slightly altered from 2014). Lead candidate only:-
Con 15,910 49.5%, Lab 10,940 34.1% Lib Dem 2,931 9.1%, Other 2,304 7.2%..
That represents a swing of 5% to the Conservatives since the general election. The Conservatives won 18 seats, to 5 for Labour.
Missed due to be being otherwise engaged over the weekend but how did HUFYD and Sandt tentoul get on in their elections?
O/T, the result from Redbridge is almost identical to Enfield.
Lead candidate only, Con 35.5%, Lab 55.2%, Lib Dem 4.2%, Others 5.1%. Since 2010, that's a 10% swing to Labour.
There is however, better news for the Conservatives in the wards making up Chingford & Wood Green (six from Waltham Forest, two from Redbridge, albeit, boundaries slightly altered from 2014). Lead candidate only:-
Con 15,910 49.5%, Lab 10,940 34.1% Lib Dem 2,931 9.1%, Other 2,304 7.2%..
That represents a swing of 5% to the Conservatives since the general election. The Conservatives won 18 seats, to 5 for Labour.
Missed due to be being otherwise engaged over the weekend but how did HUFYD and Sandt tentoul get on in their elections?
HYUFD was unsuccessful unfortunately. I didn’t catch Sandy Rentoul’s result.
After oxford uni getting rid of Kim jong mays from the wall of women, the campaign is onto banning Jordan Peterson from the union....We can't be having people we disagree with speaking now can we.
It is in all seriousness rather troubling. I actually think Peterson is a bit of a weird individual and far from convinced about a lot of things he says, but if you also think so (or worse that he is a total charlatan) go and debate him...Isn't that the whole point of the union...
banning =/= not inviting in the first place or uninviting.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me that paying Oxford Union members should have a say in who gets invited to speak at their club. And again perfectly reasonable that some people should think this guy has nothing to offer and so shouldn't be invited.
As an aside - Elliott Gulliver-Needham (if a real name) is impressively posh sounding.
It really is amazing how much they can write about someone that supposedly has nothing to offer. Sounds like they want him uninvited because they don’t agree with what he says.
The article is basically a listicle of his top lies/distortions. Thus there's a direct correlation between length and him not being worth listening to.
After oxford uni getting rid of Kim jong mays from the wall of women, the campaign is onto banning Jordan Peterson from the union....We can't be having people we disagree with speaking now can we.
It is in all seriousness rather troubling. I actually think Peterson is a bit of a weird individual and far from convinced about a lot of things he says, but if you also think so (or worse that he is a total charlatan) go and debate him...Isn't that the whole point of the union...
banning =/= not inviting in the first place or uninviting.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me that paying Oxford Union members should have a say in who gets invited to speak at their club. And again perfectly reasonable that some people should think this guy has nothing to offer and so shouldn't be invited.
As an aside - Elliott Gulliver-Needham (if a real name) is impressively posh sounding.
It really is amazing how much they can write about someone that supposedly has nothing to offer. Sounds like they want him uninvited because they don’t agree with what he says.
The article is basically a listicle of his top lies/distortions. Thus there's a direct correlation between length and him not being worth listening to.
If only there was a forum through which people could be questioned, and the veracity of their statements debated. I’m not a fan of one person deciding they are not worthy of appearing simply because they think/claim they are a liar.
After oxford uni getting rid of Kim jong mays from the wall of women, the campaign is onto banning Jordan Peterson from the union....We can't be having people we disagree with speaking now can we.
It is in all seriousness rather troubling. I actually think Peterson is a bit of a weird individual and far from convinced about a lot of things he says, but if you also think so (or worse that he is a total charlatan) go and debate him...Isn't that the whole point of the union...
banning =/= not inviting in the first place or uninviting.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me that paying Oxford Union members should have a say in who gets invited to speak at their club. And again perfectly reasonable that some people should think this guy has nothing to offer and so shouldn't be invited.
As an aside - Elliott Gulliver-Needham (if a real name) is impressively posh sounding.
Uninviting is the same as banning.
And the bar for invitees is pretty low these days eg lead singer of slipknot. Not exactly only Nobel prize winners and world leaders.
Lead singer of slipknot could be interesting I think! But if others disagreed and he was uninvited - that wouldn't mean he was banned.
After oxford uni getting rid of Kim jong mays from the wall of women, the campaign is onto banning Jordan Peterson from the union....We can't be having people we disagree with speaking now can we.
It is in all seriousness rather troubling. I actually think Peterson is a bit of a weird individual and far from convinced about a lot of things he says, but if you also think so (or worse that he is a total charlatan) go and debate him...Isn't that the whole point of the union...
banning =/= not inviting in the first place or uninviting.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me that paying Oxford Union members should have a say in who gets invited to speak at their club. And again perfectly reasonable that some people should think this guy has nothing to offer and so shouldn't be invited.
As an aside - Elliott Gulliver-Needham (if a real name) is impressively posh sounding.
Uninviting is the same as banning.
And the bar for invitees is pretty low these days eg lead singer of slipknot. Not exactly only Nobel prize winners and world leaders.
Lead singer of slipknot could be interesting I think! But if others disagreed and he was uninvited - that wouldn't mean he was banned.
If they want a say in who is invited, perhaps they should try to be elected to the panel that does the invitations.
O/T, the result from Redbridge is almost identical to Enfield.
Lead candidate only, Con 35.5%, Lab 55.2%, Lib Dem 4.2%, Others 5.1%. Since 2010, that's a 10% swing to Labour.
There is however, better news for the Conservatives in the wards making up Chingford & Wood Green (six from Waltham Forest, two from Redbridge, albeit, boundaries slightly altered from 2014). Lead candidate only:-
Con 15,910 49.5%, Lab 10,940 34.1% Lib Dem 2,931 9.1%, Other 2,304 7.2%..
That represents a swing of 5% to the Conservatives since the general election. The Conservatives won 18 seats, to 5 for Labour.
Missed due to be being otherwise engaged over the weekend but how did HUFYD and Sandt tentoul get on in their elections?
After oxford uni getting rid of Kim jong mays from the wall of women, the campaign is onto banning Jordan Peterson from the union....We can't be having people we disagree with speaking now can we.
It is in all seriousness rather troubling. I actually think Peterson is a bit of a weird individual and far from convinced about a lot of things he says, but if you also think so (or worse that he is a total charlatan) go and debate him...Isn't that the whole point of the union...
banning =/= not inviting in the first place or uninviting.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me that paying Oxford Union members should have a say in who gets invited to speak at their club. And again perfectly reasonable that some people should think this guy has nothing to offer and so shouldn't be invited.
As an aside - Elliott Gulliver-Needham (if a real name) is impressively posh sounding.
Uninviting is the same as banning.
And the bar for invitees is pretty low these days eg lead singer of slipknot. Not exactly only Nobel prize winners and world leaders.
Lead singer of slipknot could be interesting I think! But if others disagreed and he was uninvited - that wouldn't mean he was banned.
red ken has been invited since his Hitler Hitler Hitler outbursts....As I say the bar is very low these days.
O/T, the result from Redbridge is almost identical to Enfield.
Lead candidate only, Con 35.5%, Lab 55.2%, Lib Dem 4.2%, Others 5.1%. Since 2010, that's a 10% swing to Labour.
There is however, better news for the Conservatives in the wards making up Chingford & Wood Green (six from Waltham Forest, two from Redbridge, albeit, boundaries slightly altered from 2014). Lead candidate only:-
Con 15,910 49.5%, Lab 10,940 34.1% Lib Dem 2,931 9.1%, Other 2,304 7.2%..
That represents a swing of 5% to the Conservatives since the general election. The Conservatives won 18 seats, to 5 for Labour.
Missed due to be being otherwise engaged over the weekend but how did HUFYD and Sandt tentoul get on in their elections?
After oxford uni getting rid of Kim jong mays from the wall of women, the campaign is onto banning Jordan Peterson from the union....We can't be having people we disagree with speaking now can we.
It is in all seriousness rather troubling. I actually think Peterson is a bit of a weird individual and far from convinced about a lot of things he says, but if you also think so (or worse that he is a total charlatan) go and debate him...Isn't that the whole point of the union...
banning =/= not inviting in the first place or uninviting.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me that paying Oxford Union members should have a say in who gets invited to speak at their club. And again perfectly reasonable that some people should think this guy has nothing to offer and so shouldn't be invited.
As an aside - Elliott Gulliver-Needham (if a real name) is impressively posh sounding.
Uninviting is the same as banning.
And the bar for invitees is pretty low these days eg lead singer of slipknot. Not exactly only Nobel prize winners and world leaders.
Lead singer of slipknot could be interesting I think! But if others disagreed and he was uninvited - that wouldn't mean he was banned.
red ken has been invited since his Hitler Hitler Hitler outbursts....As I say the bar is very low these days.
And I don't doubt that some people disagreed with that decision. And I think they were perfectly entitled to do so, without being accused of banning free speech.
If they want a say in who is invited, perhaps they should try to be elected to the panel that does the invitations.
Perhaps they disagree with whoever made the decision... should they not then be allowed to write an article criticising said decision?
As I said originally - I don't see anything worrying at all in people disagreeing on who should be invited to their club.
I don’t see any criticism of the panel members, just a rant about the invited speaker.
The title of the article is "The Union should not welcome Jordan Peterson". The sub-header is : "Different opinions are one thing, but Peterson is unworthy of an invitation"
It's quite clear that the article is a criticism of the decision to invite him, and therefore obviously of those who made that decision.
After oxford uni getting rid of Kim jong mays from the wall of women, the campaign is onto banning Jordan Peterson from the union....We can't be having people we disagree with speaking now can we.
It is in all seriousness rather troubling. I actually think Peterson is a bit of a weird individual and far from convinced about a lot of things he says, but if you also think so (or worse that he is a total charlatan) go and debate him...Isn't that the whole point of the union...
banning =/= not inviting in the first place or uninviting.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me that paying Oxford Union members should have a say in who gets invited to speak at their club. And again perfectly reasonable that some people should think this guy has nothing to offer and so shouldn't be invited.
As an aside - Elliott Gulliver-Needham (if a real name) is impressively posh sounding.
Uninviting is the same as banning.
And the bar for invitees is pretty low these days eg lead singer of slipknot. Not exactly only Nobel prize winners and world leaders.
Lead singer of slipknot could be interesting I think! But if others disagreed and he was uninvited - that wouldn't mean he was banned.
red ken has been invited since his Hitler Hitler Hitler outbursts....As I say the bar is very low these days.
And I don't doubt that some people disagreed with that decision. And I think they were perfectly entitled to do so, without being accused of banning free speech.
I bet you chumley-warner who is getting angry about Peterson didn't bat an eyelid about ken Livingstone getting an invite.
So, the suggested Lib Dem strategy is to rally voters to send a message to Labour so that Labour sends a stronger message to the government? Could work, I suppose. Seems a bit protesty but then that's often what local elections are about.
That said, I'm still doubtful that Brexit is *that* big a driver of votes and there is a lot of positive support for Corbyn, particularly in London. Without those votes, and without tactical Tory/Leave votes, are there enough others left over? Only on very differential turnouts - and most elections don't have disparities of that scale.
And I don't doubt that some people disagreed with that decision. And I think they were perfectly entitled to do so, without being accused of banning free speech.
I bet you chumley-warner who is getting angry about Peterson didn't bat an eyelid ken Livingstone.
Well they are different people so he might well have different views on their suitability to be invited!
Doubtless had Livingstone been uninvited - you would have been decrying the ban on a former mayor of London speaking at the Oxford Union?
After oxford uni getting rid of Kim jong mays from the wall of women, the campaign is onto banning Jordan Peterson from the union....We can't be having people we disagree with speaking now can we.
It is in all seriousness rather troubling. I actually think Peterson is a bit of a weird individual and far from convinced about a lot of things he says, but if you also think so (or worse that he is a total charlatan) go and debate him...Isn't that the whole point of the union...
banning =/= not inviting in the first place or uninviting.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me that paying Oxford Union members should have a say in who gets invited to speak at their club. And again perfectly reasonable that some people should think this guy has nothing to offer and so shouldn't be invited.
As an aside - Elliott Gulliver-Needham (if a real name) is impressively posh sounding.
Uninviting is the same as banning.
And the bar for invitees is pretty low these days eg lead singer of slipknot. Not exactly only Nobel prize winners and world leaders.
Lead singer of slipknot could be interesting I think! But if others disagreed and he was uninvited - that wouldn't mean he was banned.
If they want a say in who is invited, perhaps they should try to be elected to the panel that does the invitations.
Panel?!
The Union is a good old fashioned autocracy.
They are invited by the President (although one day each term the Librarian gets to invite people)
After oxford uni getting rid of Kim jong mays from the wall of women, the campaign is onto banning Jordan Peterson from the union....We can't be having people we disagree with speaking now can we.
It is in all seriousness rather troubling. I actually think Peterson is a bit of a weird individual and far from convinced about a lot of things he says, but if you also think so (or worse that he is a total charlatan) go and debate him...Isn't that the whole point of the union...
banning =/= not inviting in the first place or uninviting.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me that paying Oxford Union members should have a say in who gets invited to speak at their club. And again perfectly reasonable that some people should think this guy has nothing to offer and so shouldn't be invited.
As an aside - Elliott Gulliver-Needham (if a real name) is impressively posh sounding.
Uninviting is the same as banning.
And the bar for invitees is pretty low these days eg lead singer of slipknot. Not exactly only Nobel prize winners and world leaders.
Lead singer of slipknot could be interesting I think! But if others disagreed and he was uninvited - that wouldn't mean he was banned.
If they want a say in who is invited, perhaps they should try to be elected to the panel that does the invitations.
Panel?!
The Union is a good old fashioned autocracy.
They are invited by the President (although one day each term the Librarian gets to invite people)
If they want a say in who is invited, perhaps they should try to be elected to the panel that does the invitations.
Perhaps they disagree with whoever made the decision... should they not then be allowed to write an article criticising said decision?
As I said originally - I don't see anything worrying at all in people disagreeing on who should be invited to their club.
I don’t see any criticism of the panel members, just a rant about the invited speaker.
The title of the article is "The Union should not welcome Jordan Peterson". The sub-header is : "Different opinions are one thing, but Peterson is unworthy of an invitation"
It's quite clear that the article is a criticism of the decision to invite him, and therefore obviously of those who made that decision.
The title maybe, but the body of text is just a litany of reasons the writer doesn’t agree with the invited speaker. There’s no mention of how he was invited, and how that procedure should be changed.
At least the people commenting appear sensible... mostly.
And I don't doubt that some people disagreed with that decision. And I think they were perfectly entitled to do so, without being accused of banning free speech.
I bet you chumley-warner who is getting angry about Peterson didn't bat an eyelid ken Livingstone.
Well they are different people so he might well have different views on their suitability to be invited!
Doubtless had Livingstone been uninvited - you would have been decrying the ban on a former mayor of London speaking at the Oxford Union?
It is about consistency....Peterson has become this weird hate figure among some that has to be silenced. If you are going to complain on the grounds of intellectual honesty of invitees you better be complaining about all that display those traits.
I would actually welcome the opportunity to watch red ken try and explain his views under proper challenge.
The difficulty that the government has is that Theresa May, Greg Clark and (even) David Cameron went on an intensive love in with the automakers in the wake of the Brexit vote. And it was undoubtedly a success.
But it involved giving assurances that may not be deliverable, in terms of the impact on EU-UK trade, and on the ability of the UK to continue to benefit from some of the EU's trade agreements. (These in particular relate to Rules of Origin: i.e. the percentage of a product's production that happens in a customs area.)
I don't know how this resolves itself: either we'll end up giving state aid that may not be legal under WTO rules, or we'll be seen as untrustworthy by automakers, or we'll end up with a (probably short term) fudge that infuriates the Brexit purists.
The difficulty that the government has is that Theresa May, Greg Clark and (even) David Cameron went on an intensive love in with the automakers in the wake of the Brexit vote. And it was undoubtedly a success.
But it involved giving assurances that may not be deliverable, in terms of the impact on EU-UK trade, and on the ability of the UK to continue to benefit from some of the EU's trade agreements. (These in particular relate to Rules of Origin: i.e. the percentage of a product's production that happens in a customs area.)
I don't know how this resolves itself: either we'll end up giving state aid that may not be legal under WTO rules, or we'll be seen as untrustworthy by automakers, or we'll end up with a (probably short term) fudge that infuriates the Brexit purists.
or we'll be seen as untrustworthy by automakers
you mean the guys who have falsified all their performance data and are causing thousands of premature deaths in this country ?
I don't know how this resolves itself: either we'll end up giving state aid that may not be legal under WTO rules, or we'll be seen as untrustworthy by automakers, or we'll end up with a (probably short term) fudge that infuriates the Brexit purists.
O/T, the result from Redbridge is almost identical to Enfield.
Lead candidate only, Con 35.5%, Lab 55.2%, Lib Dem 4.2%, Others 5.1%. Since 2010, that's a 10% swing to Labour.
There is however, better news for the Conservatives in the wards making up Chingford & Wood Green (six from Waltham Forest, two from Redbridge, albeit, boundaries slightly altered from 2014). Lead candidate only:-
Con 15,910 49.5%, Lab 10,940 34.1% Lib Dem 2,931 9.1%, Other 2,304 7.2%..
That represents a swing of 5% to the Conservatives since the general election. The Conservatives won 18 seats, to 5 for Labour.
So much for going after IDS’ seat.
BTW- thanks for the analysis!
There has been some speculation that Labour could gain Uxbridge and South Ruislip. These were Thursday's results (lead candidate only):-
Con 17,529, 60.5%, Lab 8,672, 30.0%, Lib Dem 519, 1.9%, Others 2,220, 7.6%.
That's a swing of 9% to the Conservatives since the general election.
O/T, the result from Redbridge is almost identical to Enfield.
Lead candidate only, Con 35.5%, Lab 55.2%, Lib Dem 4.2%, Others 5.1%. Since 2010, that's a 10% swing to Labour.
There is however, better news for the Conservatives in the wards making up Chingford & Wood Green (six from Waltham Forest, two from Redbridge, albeit, boundaries slightly altered from 2014). Lead candidate only:-
Con 15,910 49.5%, Lab 10,940 34.1% Lib Dem 2,931 9.1%, Other 2,304 7.2%..
That represents a swing of 5% to the Conservatives since the general election. The Conservatives won 18 seats, to 5 for Labour.
So much for going after IDS’ seat.
BTW- thanks for the analysis!
There has been some speculation that Labour could gain Uxbridge and South Ruislip. These were Thursday's results (lead candidate only):-
Con 17,529, 60.5%, Lab 8,672, 30.0%, Lib Dem 519, 1.9%, Others 2,220, 7.6%.
That's a swing of 9% to the Conservatives since the general election.
O/T, the result from Redbridge is almost identical to Enfield.
Lead candidate only, Con 35.5%, Lab 55.2%, Lib Dem 4.2%, Others 5.1%. Since 2010, that's a 10% swing to Labour.
There is however, better news for the Conservatives in the wards making up Chingford & Wood Green (six from Waltham Forest, two from Redbridge, albeit, boundaries slightly altered from 2014). Lead candidate only:-
Con 15,910 49.5%, Lab 10,940 34.1% Lib Dem 2,931 9.1%, Other 2,304 7.2%..
That represents a swing of 5% to the Conservatives since the general election. The Conservatives won 18 seats, to 5 for Labour.
So much for going after IDS’ seat.
BTW- thanks for the analysis!
There has been some speculation that Labour could gain Uxbridge and South Ruislip. These were Thursday's results (lead candidate only):-
Con 17,529, 60.5%, Lab 8,672, 30.0%, Lib Dem 519, 1.9%, Others 2,220, 7.6%.
That's a swing of 9% to the Conservatives since the general election.
After oxford uni getting rid of Kim jong mays from the wall of women, the campaign is onto banning Jordan Peterson from the union....We can't be having people we disagree with speaking now can we.
It is in all seriousness rather troubling. I actually think Peterson is a bit of a weird individual and far from convinced about a lot of things he says, but if you also think so (or worse that he is a total charlatan) go and debate him...Isn't that the whole point of the union...
banning =/= not inviting in the first place or uninviting.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me that paying Oxford Union members should have a say in who gets invited to speak at their club. And again perfectly reasonable that some people should think this guy has nothing to offer and so shouldn't be invited.
As an aside - Elliott Gulliver-Needham (if a real name) is impressively posh sounding.
Uninviting is the same as banning.
And the bar for invitees is pretty low these days eg lead singer of slipknot. Not exactly only Nobel prize winners and world leaders.
Lead singer of slipknot could be interesting I think! But if others disagreed and he was uninvited - that wouldn't mean he was banned.
Eh, in my time we let Irving and Griffin speak at the same meeting.
Lewisham East is one of the safest Labour seats in the country and should be a solid Labour hold.
The more interesting question might be whether the Tories will hold second place or the LDs or Greens will emerge as the main challengers to Labour in the by election.
Lewisham East is one of the safest Labour seats in the country and should be a solid Labour hold.
The more interesting question might be whether the Tories will hold second place or the LDs or Greens will emerge as the main challengers to Labour in the by election.
The difficulty that the government has is that Theresa May, Greg Clark and (even) David Cameron went on an intensive love in with the automakers in the wake of the Brexit vote. And it was undoubtedly a success.
But it involved giving assurances that may not be deliverable, in terms of the impact on EU-UK trade, and on the ability of the UK to continue to benefit from some of the EU's trade agreements. (These in particular relate to Rules of Origin: i.e. the percentage of a product's production that happens in a customs area.)
I don't know how this resolves itself: either we'll end up giving state aid that may not be legal under WTO rules, or we'll be seen as untrustworthy by automakers, or we'll end up with a (probably short term) fudge that infuriates the Brexit purists.
Reading your views on Brexit from an apparently sensible person is an increasingly surreal experience.
There is no majority in parliament or the country for anything which disrupts cross-border trade with our neighbours, and in the case of Northern Ireland we have a political and moral obligation to ensure it does not happen. These practical realities will determine where we end up far more than anyone's notions about protecting the 'cause of Brexit'.
O/T, the result from Redbridge is almost identical to Enfield.
Lead candidate only, Con 35.5%, Lab 55.2%, Lib Dem 4.2%, Others 5.1%. Since 2010, that's a 10% swing to Labour.
There is however, better news for the Conservatives in the wards making up Chingford & Wood Green (six from Waltham Forest, two from Redbridge, albeit, boundaries slightly altered from 2014). Lead candidate only:-
Con 15,910 49.5%, Lab 10,940 34.1% Lib Dem 2,931 9.1%, Other 2,304 7.2%..
That represents a swing of 5% to the Conservatives since the general election. The Conservatives won 18 seats, to 5 for Labour.
Missed due to be being otherwise engaged over the weekend but how did HUFYD and Sandt tentoul get on in their elections?
I did not win but got 554 votes, a bit up from the 420 votes the Tories got in my ward when the seat was last up in 2014.
Lewisham East is one of the safest Labour seats in the country and should be a solid Labour hold.
The more interesting question might be whether the Tories will hold second place or the LDs or Greens will emerge as the main challengers to Labour in the by election.
TELL US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well I hope the Tories hold second place obviously but we will see how the campaign progresses
O/T, the result from Redbridge is almost identical to Enfield.
Lead candidate only, Con 35.5%, Lab 55.2%, Lib Dem 4.2%, Others 5.1%. Since 2010, that's a 10% swing to Labour.
There is however, better news for the Conservatives in the wards making up Chingford & Wood Green (six from Waltham Forest, two from Redbridge, albeit, boundaries slightly altered from 2014). Lead candidate only:-
Con 15,910 49.5%, Lab 10,940 34.1% Lib Dem 2,931 9.1%, Other 2,304 7.2%..
That represents a swing of 5% to the Conservatives since the general election. The Conservatives won 18 seats, to 5 for Labour.
Missed due to be being otherwise engaged over the weekend but how did HUFYD and Sandt tentoul get on in their elections?
I did not win but got 554 votes, a bit up from the 420 votes the Tories got in my ward when the seat was last up in 2014.
O/T, the result from Redbridge is almost identical to Enfield.
Lead candidate only, Con 35.5%, Lab 55.2%, Lib Dem 4.2%, Others 5.1%. Since 2010, that's a 10% swing to Labour.
There is however, better news for the Conservatives in the wards making up Chingford & Wood Green (six from Waltham Forest, two from Redbridge, albeit, boundaries slightly altered from 2014). Lead candidate only:-
Con 15,910 49.5%, Lab 10,940 34.1% Lib Dem 2,931 9.1%, Other 2,304 7.2%..
That represents a swing of 5% to the Conservatives since the general election. The Conservatives won 18 seats, to 5 for Labour.
Did a bit of campaigning in Waltham Forest for the Tory candidates in Chingford so pleased the Tories won most votes in Chingford and Woodford Green, though it does seem Ilford and Redbridge will now be Labour for the foreseeable future short of a Tory landslide
O/T, the result from Redbridge is almost identical to Enfield.
Lead candidate only, Con 35.5%, Lab 55.2%, Lib Dem 4.2%, Others 5.1%. Since 2010, that's a 10% swing to Labour.
There is however, better news for the Conservatives in the wards making up Chingford & Wood Green (six from Waltham Forest, two from Redbridge, albeit, boundaries slightly altered from 2014). Lead candidate only:-
Con 15,910 49.5%, Lab 10,940 34.1% Lib Dem 2,931 9.1%, Other 2,304 7.2%..
That represents a swing of 5% to the Conservatives since the general election. The Conservatives won 18 seats, to 5 for Labour.
Missed due to be being otherwise engaged over the weekend but how did HUFYD and Sandt tentoul get on in their elections?
I did not win but got 554 votes, a bit up from the 420 votes the Tories got in my ward when the seat was last up in 2014.
Not sure how Sandy did?
A good effort, drawing a bit of enemy fire
Thanks, my ward is one that can go Tory at the general election when more Tories come out but tends to go LD otherwise
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Repmain => Remain in title
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"That’s subsequently moved to LAB 25/1"
are you sure?
LD vote can only go up from those levels but I can't see them going from lost deposit to actually winning in a year.
The referendum wasn't on 23rd of May 2016 it was 23rd of June.
O/T, the result from Redbridge is almost identical to Enfield.
Lead candidate only, Con 35.5%, Lab 55.2%, Lib Dem 4.2%, Others 5.1%. Since 2010, that's a 10% swing to Labour.
A shock LD victory would put pressure on Corbyn, perhaps leading to his defenestration.
No, thought not...
As an aside one of Sunday’s threads will be about AV though it will trigger HYUFD.
No offence meant, perhaps I should rephrase that - Is HYUFD an acronym?
http://cherwell.org/2018/05/07/the-union-should-not-welcome-jordan-peterson
Helping You Understand Fuzzy Duck ?
It seems perfectly reasonable to me that paying Oxford Union members should have a say in
who gets invited to speak at their club. And again perfectly reasonable that some people should think this guy has nothing to offer and so shouldn't be invited.
As an aside - Elliott Gulliver-Needham (if a real name) is impressively posh sounding.
Con 15,910 49.5%,
Lab 10,940 34.1%
Lib Dem 2,931 9.1%,
Other 2,304 7.2%..
That represents a swing of 5% to the Conservatives since the general election. The Conservatives won 18 seats, to 5 for Labour.
And the bar for invitees is pretty low these days eg lead singer of slipknot. Not exactly only Nobel prize winners and world leaders.
BTW- thanks for the analysis!
Thus there's a direct correlation between length and him not being worth listening to.
But if others disagreed and he was uninvited - that wouldn't mean he was banned.
As I said originally - I don't see anything worrying at all in people disagreeing on who should be invited to their club.
And I think they were perfectly entitled to do so, without being accused of banning free speech.
The sub-header is : "Different opinions are one thing, but Peterson is unworthy of an invitation"
It's quite clear that the article is a criticism of the decision to invite him, and therefore obviously of those who made that decision.
That said, I'm still doubtful that Brexit is *that* big a driver of votes and there is a lot of positive support for Corbyn, particularly in London. Without those votes, and without tactical Tory/Leave votes, are there enough others left over? Only on very differential turnouts - and most elections don't have disparities of that scale.
Doubtless had Livingstone been uninvited - you would have been decrying the ban on a former mayor of London speaking at the Oxford Union?
The Union is a good old fashioned autocracy.
They are invited by the President (although one day each term the Librarian gets to invite people)
The Union is a good old fashioned autocracy.
They are invited by the President (although one day each term the Librarian gets to invite people)
At least the people commenting appear sensible... mostly.
I would actually welcome the opportunity to watch red ken try and explain his views under proper challenge.
But it involved giving assurances that may not be deliverable, in terms of the impact on EU-UK trade, and on the ability of the UK to continue to benefit from some of the EU's trade agreements. (These in particular relate to Rules of Origin: i.e. the percentage of a product's production that happens in a customs area.)
I don't know how this resolves itself: either we'll end up giving state aid that may not be legal under WTO rules, or we'll be seen as untrustworthy by automakers, or we'll end up with a (probably short term) fudge that infuriates the Brexit purists.
you mean the guys who have falsified all their performance data and are causing thousands of premature deaths in this country ?
Con 17,529, 60.5%,
Lab 8,672, 30.0%,
Lib Dem 519, 1.9%,
Others 2,220, 7.6%.
That's a swing of 9% to the Conservatives since the general election.
Con 14584
Lab 9174
Lib Dem 7797
3.4% swing to the Tories since GE2017.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/nov/27/highereducation.studentpoliticseducation
The more interesting question might be whether the Tories will hold second place or the LDs or Greens will emerge as the main challengers to Labour in the by election.
There is no majority in parliament or the country for anything which disrupts cross-border trade with our neighbours, and in the case of Northern Ireland we have a political and moral obligation to ensure it does not happen. These practical realities will determine where we end up far more than anyone's notions about protecting the 'cause of Brexit'.
Not sure how Sandy did?