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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    edited September 2013
    BBC Scotland - Scottish independence: People in Scotland 'could get pensions earlier'

    "Independence could mean people in Scotland get state pensions earlier than the rest of the UK, Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has suggested.

    A Scottish government paper will say the Scottish Parliament will determine the state pension age if there is a Yes vote in next September's referendum.

    Ms Sturgeon argued the pension age should suit "Scottish circumstances".

    UK officials said spending on pensions, benefits and public services was "all more affordable" as part of the UK.

    State pension policy is currently under UK government control."
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    Neil said:

    RedRag1 said:

    YouGov Sunday Times

    Lab 37

    Con 33

    LD 11

    UKIP 11

    As I was saying!!!
    I'm unclear - are you suggesting that it's a good poll for Labour so they delayed releasing it or that it's a bad poll for Labour so they've displayed it prominently?
    Well I didn't want to break it to him, that a few weeks ago, when Labour's lead shot up to 10 points in the Sunday times from 4, the day before, that the Sunday Times published that polling snippet at 11.15pm
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    A YouGov poll today reveals that UKIP is now level with the Liberal Democrats on 11% after being ahead of Nick Clegg’s party for months — although people were surveyed before Bloom’s outburst.

    The Opinium poll at the top of this page has UKIP 10 points clear of the LDs.

    Well Opinium have flaws in their methodology.
    Ah. So the ComRes 7 point UKIP lead is more accurate?

    No
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    YouGov Sunday Times

    Lab 37

    Con 33

    LD 11

    UKIP 11

    That is beginning to look like an outlier on the upside for Labour.

    It is Ed's lucky weekend.

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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    tim said:

    tim said:

    Drunken sailor Osborne looks for harbour bar

    @frasernelson: George Osborne tomorrow attacks Labour for proposing “black holes”. The hypocrisy is breathtaking. My blog: http://t.co/XyL5r1XETU

    "Polls show that between 6 per cent and 12 per cent of us realise that he is pushing up the national debt."

    There are going to be a lot of surprised people during the 2015 general election.

    Averys big yellow posts prove debt is falling.
    They don't prove it, tim.

    They state it as the latest official release of the ONS.

    Wait 'til Lloyds Banking Group is declassified as a public sector bank (may be earlier than full sell off of government shares).

    It may reduce PSND by around £300 billion.

    But George is likely to miss the intervened banks. They have produced a very nice regular reduction in PSND over the term and have bolstered CG revenues too.

    Master strategist, our George.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKIP will probably get a big psychological boost if AfD enter the German Parliament tomorrow.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Scott_P said:

    tim said:

    Oh god here goes.

    my creepy stalker in full flow.

    Seek help.
    Think of it as performing a valuable service for women across the country.

    After all, he has to obsess on someone.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    GeoffM said:

    SeanT said:

    Disappointing polls for the Tories - no getting round it - after a run of good 'uns.
    Even worse for the Libs. No conference boost outside the MOE. Stuck at 7 with Opinium and just two years from the GE.

    Yes, I must say that the delicious prospect of LibDem annihilation tantalisingly dangled by this poll has cheered me up immensely.

    Although the Lib Dems have made mistakes and at times behaved badly, so have the Tories and Labour.

    You think we better served with just Labour and tories as choices?



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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited September 2013
    AndyJS said:

    UKIP will probably get a big psychological boost if AfD enter the German Parliament tomorrow.

    They shouldnt get too excited:

    "AfD has made it clear that it does not see itself as a sister party to, for example, the UK Independence Party (UKIP), but that it shares more in common with the British Conservatives. For instance one of AfD's founder members, journalist Konrad Adam, said, "We're by far from being in agreement with everything Cameron says, but we respect his plan to hold a referendum." Economics professor and AfD member Joachim Starbatty has also commented on Cameron: "He has a British sense of realism, a cool and healthy approach, which we could do with more of in Germany.""

    http://www.aecr.eu/content/alternative-für-deutschland

    Though they would say that wouldnt they... ;)
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    AndyJS said:

    UKIP will probably get a big psychological boost if AfD enter the German Parliament tomorrow.

    And the other UK parties will get a sense of impending doom. Fingers crossed.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Neil said:

    AveryLP said:


    Brown suffered a global banking crisis. He responded by leading the country through the deepest and longest recession since the war and virtually non-existent growth over five years.

    You may not have noticed but Brown has been out of power since 2010, Avery.
    Of course Neil we should forget the damage Labour caused last two times in office whilst remembering the mistakes of last Tory government.

    I think not.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Floater said:

    Neil said:

    AveryLP said:


    Brown suffered a global banking crisis. He responded by leading the country through the deepest and longest recession since the war and virtually non-existent growth over five years.

    You may not have noticed but Brown has been out of power since 2010, Avery.
    Of course Neil we should forget the damage Labour caused last two times in office whilst remembering the mistakes of last Tory government.

    I think not.
    Ah go on, give it a try.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    AndyJS said:

    UKIP will probably get a big psychological boost if AfD enter the German Parliament tomorrow.

    And the other UK parties will get a sense of impending doom. Fingers crossed.
    AfD are battling to get 5% or so.

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    Neil said:

    AndyJS said:

    UKIP will probably get a big psychological boost if AfD enter the German Parliament tomorrow.

    And the other UK parties will get a sense of impending doom. Fingers crossed.
    AfD are battling to get 5% or so.

    You're no fun. Eat a chocolate, and try again.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited September 2013

    AndyJS said:

    UKIP will probably get a big psychological boost if AfD enter the German Parliament tomorrow.

    And the other UK parties will get a sense of impending doom. Fingers crossed.
    I think it's fair to posit that UKIP will do at least as well in 2015 as AfD do tomorrow, in percentage terms.

    So if AfD get 5.5%, for example, UKIP will probably get more than the 5% Dave says will be enough to stop the Tories winning a majority next time.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Scott_P said:

    Which way is The Times leaning?

    @suttonnick: Sunday Times front page - "Labour plans have ‘£27bn black hole’" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers #lab13

    Only 27Bn??? Perhaps Labour really are begining to learn how to be responsible.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Neil said:

    AndyJS said:

    UKIP will probably get a big psychological boost if AfD enter the German Parliament tomorrow.

    They shouldnt get too excited:

    "AfD has made it clear that it does not see itself as a sister party to, for example, the UK Independence Party (UKIP), but that it shares more in common with the British Conservatives. For instance one of AfD's founder members, journalist Konrad Adam, said, "We're by far from being in agreement with everything Cameron says, but we respect his plan to hold a referendum." Economics professor and AfD member Joachim Starbatty has also commented on Cameron: "He has a British sense of realism, a cool and healthy approach, which we could do with more of in Germany.""

    http://www.aecr.eu/content/alternative-für-deutschland

    Though they would say that wouldnt they... ;)
    That's true, but you could still argue, I think, that AfD are to the Christian Democrats what UKIP are to the Tories.
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    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    UKIP will probably get a big psychological boost if AfD enter the German Parliament tomorrow.

    And the other UK parties will get a sense of impending doom. Fingers crossed.
    I think it's fair to posit that UKIP will do at least as well in 2015 as AfD do tomorrow, in percentage terms.

    So if AfD get 5.5%, for example, UKIP will probably get more than the 5% Dave says will be enough to stop the Tories winning a majority next time.
    If Mr Cameron thinks UKIP are what stands between the Conservatives and electoral success Lynton Crosby is not earning his money.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    UKIP will probably get a big psychological boost if AfD enter the German Parliament tomorrow.

    And the other UK parties will get a sense of impending doom. Fingers crossed.
    I think it's fair to posit that UKIP will do at least as well in 2015 as AfD do tomorrow, in percentage terms.

    So if AfD get 5.5%, for example, UKIP will probably get more than the 5% Dave says will be enough to stop the Tories winning a majority next time.
    If Mr Cameron thinks UKIP are what stands between the Conservatives and electoral success Lynton Crosby is not earning his money.

    Wasn't that precisely what Lord Ashcroft's marginals poll was showing - a big surge in UKIP support in the crucial Con/Lab marginals?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Scott_P said:


    Your (and their) problem is what? That you believe that evasion of minimum wage regulations is a good thing, really - some sort of safety valve for the economy? I thought anti-NMW Tories had died out, but perhaps they were just hibernating?


    @Greg_Callus: There's only ever been 8 prosecutions under NMW Act. http://t.co/gypZfJRm8G Bigamy, by contrast, racks up about 20/yr http://t.co/FAQdVDLsCa

    @Greg_Callus: Increasing sentences ten-fold for Bigamy (contrary to s57 Offences Against the Person Act 1861) would be a more substantive policy than this
    Yes, at present authorities feel it's hardly worth pursuing as the fine is so low. Are you actually opposed to the policy or not? (You can propose an increase in the fine for bigamy too if you feel this is a related argument.)
    Conservatives tough on crime except when it is themselves or their mates breaking the law .
    Sigh, Lib Dems tough on expense cheats .... except their own.

    Tough on sexist behavior ... except their own....

    perhaps they are tough on anti semites?

    oh

    no party perfect Mark
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Floater said:

    GeoffM said:

    SeanT said:

    Disappointing polls for the Tories - no getting round it - after a run of good 'uns.
    Even worse for the Libs. No conference boost outside the MOE. Stuck at 7 with Opinium and just two years from the GE.

    Yes, I must say that the delicious prospect of LibDem annihilation tantalisingly dangled by this poll has cheered me up immensely.
    Although the Lib Dems have made mistakes and at times behaved badly, so have the Tories and Labour.
    You think we better served with just Labour and tories as choices?
    Might as well eliminate the low hanging fruit before destroying the main lefty enemy of the country.

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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited September 2013
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    UKIP will probably get a big psychological boost if AfD enter the German Parliament tomorrow.

    And the other UK parties will get a sense of impending doom. Fingers crossed.
    I think it's fair to posit that UKIP will do at least as well in 2015 as AfD do tomorrow, in percentage terms.

    So if AfD get 5.5%, for example, UKIP will probably get more than the 5% Dave says will be enough to stop the Tories winning a majority next time.
    If Mr Cameron thinks UKIP are what stands between the Conservatives and electoral success Lynton Crosby is not earning his money.

    Wasn't that precisely what Lord Ashcroft's marginals poll was showing - a big surge in UKIP support in the crucial Con/Lab marginals?
    Immigration is constantly cited as the big driver of UKIP's support.

    If the Conservatives had reintroduced the pre-1997 immigration laws, that driver wouldn't exist.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/08/decline-in-net-migration-stalls/


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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Amazing to consider that AfD didn't exist until 6th February this year:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany

    The equivalent date for UKIP is 3rd September 1993:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukip
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983


    If the Conservatives had reintroduced the pre-1997 immigration laws, that driver wouldn't exist.

    Pre 1997 immigration laws are still an open door to Romanians and Bulgarians from January. There's no way the Tories would ever be able to match UKIP's position on this.
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited September 2013
    Neil said:


    If the Conservatives had reintroduced the pre-1997 immigration laws, that driver wouldn't exist.

    Pre 1997 immigration laws are still an open door to Romanians and Bulgarians from January. There's no way the Tories would ever be able to match UKIP's position on this.
    True, and I think that's going to be a huge winner for UKIP in the 2014 elections.

    BUT the numbers would have come down noticeably.

    2012 immigration: EU 155,000 / Non-EU 260,000

    http://www.migrationwatchuk.org.uk/latest-immigration-statistics

    The Conservatives could have said, vote for us and things change. But they tinkered with the New Labour laws instead.
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    Neil said:


    If the Conservatives had reintroduced the pre-1997 immigration laws, that driver wouldn't exist.

    Pre 1997 immigration laws are still an open door to Romanians and Bulgarians from January. There's no way the Tories would ever be able to match UKIP's position on this.
    On second thoughts, yes the Tories could match UKIP's position. They could declare they are extending the transition controls.

    It's the sort of thing you can imagine a French government doing.

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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983


    It's the sort of thing you can imagine a French government doing.

    Is that what you aspire to? To be like the ... French?!
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    Neil said:


    It's the sort of thing you can imagine a French government doing.

    Is that what you aspire to? To be like the ... French?!
    I'd like to think the British Government has the nerve to stand up to Eurocrats and say No. I think the French government do.

    The british politicians, and bureaucrats seem to regard submission as the only available option in all circumstances. It's pathetic.

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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited September 2013
    @anotherDave

    The Eurocrats havent forced national governments to accept the free movement of labour. It's a cornerstone of the whole operation that the national governments themselves created.
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    Neil said:

    @anotherDave

    The Eurocrats havent forced national governments to accept the free movement of labour. It's a cornerstone of the whole operation that the national governments themselves created.

    The french refused to accept british beef.

    The power of the eurocrats is an illusion. If national governments choose stand up to them, they can win.

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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983


    The power of the eurocrats is an illusion. If national governments choose stand up to them, they can win.

    Free movement of labour within the EU is not a diktat of a breed of people called eurocrats.
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    Neil said:


    The power of the eurocrats is an illusion. If national governments choose stand up to them, they can win.

    Free movement of labour within the EU is not a diktat of a breed of people called eurocrats.
    They wouldn't be challenging free movement of all people. They'd just be not extending that free movement to two new groups of people.

    You might well see other nations join in.

    Transition controls themselves were bending the rules, to suit the other nations. They'd just be bending them again.

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    Neil said:

    @anotherDave

    The Eurocrats havent forced national governments to accept the free movement of labour. It's a cornerstone of the whole operation that the national governments themselves created.

    The french refused to accept british beef.

    The power of the eurocrats is an illusion. If national governments choose stand up to them, they can win.
    The French ended up scrapping the ban when the Commission threatened to fine them.

    But if you're thinking the UK government can start ignoring its treaty obligations, the ultimate threat is that other countries will retaliate in kind. You ignore the agreement that says our citizens can live in your country, and refuse to pay the resulting fines, and we ignore the agreement that says your banks are allowed to sell to our consumers, etc etc.
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    Neil said:


    The power of the eurocrats is an illusion. If national governments choose stand up to them, they can win.

    Free movement of labour within the EU is not a diktat of a breed of people called eurocrats.
    They wouldn't be challenging free movement of all people. They'd just be not extending that free movement to two new groups of people.

    You might well see other nations join in.

    Transition controls themselves were bending the rules, to suit the other nations. They'd just be bending them again.

    Transitional controls were in the accession agreements. Those agreements can of course be changed, if all the members states that signed them agree, including the countries whose citizens are subject to the controls.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    In between hands at poker.....

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2428513/The-unstable-ill-suited-PM-Robert-Walpole-1735-says-Anthony-Seldon.html

    "A person close to Brown described McBride to me as ‘a wholly owned subsidiary of Ed Balls’. He may not have known all that McBride did, and he has plausibly denied some of the worst offences.

    But in McBride’s intent and manner, he was acting out the wishes of his master, Balls."

    I love playing p*ssed people at poker - 1000% return tonight so far
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    What does "www7" mean as far as a web address is concerned?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983
    AndyJS said:

    What does "www7" mean as far as a web address is concerned?

    Isn't it to do with PBs load balancing servers or something? I remember during busy periods you'd often be directed to www5, www6 etc.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    What does "www7" mean as far as a web address is concerned?

    Isn't it to do with PBs load balancing servers or something? I remember during busy periods you'd often be directed to www5, www6 etc.
    Yes, www is actually a non-functional part of the address and nowadays if you've got multiple real or virtual boxes then using a different prefix as PB does is just an archaic way of letting you know that you are on a rack of webservers rather than, say, an ftp box.

    The www1,www2,etc. was actually useful at one point. Netscape originally used that naming schema to implement crude load balancing in the early browsers. Better techniques replaced it but old habits die hard it seems. The trend now is towards dropping www entirely.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Neil said:


    It's the sort of thing you can imagine a French government doing.

    Is that what you aspire to? To be like the ... French?!
    What's wrong with the French? I rather like them as a nation.

    Mostly because they aren't Spanish.

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    MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    FPT

    MrJones said:



    Which do you think is more important?

    Why is/was one all over the news and the other completely absent?

    Is it completely absent? Is it absent in the link you keep on posting?

    Perhaps scale is one thing. 1 in 200 women were raped in 2006/7 (and also a large number of men, although some do not class that as rape). A wide variety of crimes and levels of disdemeanour will be buried within those figures, but it ain't a pretty picture.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_Kingdom

    From other figures, 85,000 women raped every year, and 400,000 sexually assaulted.
    http://www.rapecrisis.org.uk/Statistics2.php

    You could argue that *that* does not get nearly enough exposure in the media. Abuse by gangs is important and should be dealt with, but it is dwarfed by the major problem.

    And Bloom's comments (not just yesterday's, but others as well) actively hinders progress. He shows f'all respect for women, so why should anyone respect him or the party he represents?
    It's okay you won't say which you feel is more important out of a) a politician using the word "slut" or b) (almost) the entire media and political class ignoring this

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/boys-quizzed-over-500-rapes-a-year-by-gangs-8335165.html

    because it would make your position cheering Bloom getting sacked nonsensical.

    "Is it completely absent?"

    Correct, it's not *entirely* absent from the media otherwise no-one could mention it - like the grooming gangs in all the years before the Times reported it. I wonder how many other problems there are like that which no-one can mention because the media wall hasn't leaked?

    "Is it absent in the link you keep on posting?"

    Hehe. That's cognitive dissonance that is - annoying innit.

    I could alternate with the other mention, the Guardian article from 2004. The estimate in that is only 360 a year but that's because it's been getting worse every year.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/apr/04/ukcrime.ameliahill

    The rest was just deflection so i'll keep it short.
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    MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    FPT

    Matthew Norman writes: “Why did we tolerate this putrid nonsense from New Labour?

    New Labour achieved virtually nothing, but its toxic feuding left a stain on a great democracy”

    “How on earth did a great democracy tolerate this putrid nonsense for so long? The answer to that is that the democracy which put up with it for a decade has axiomatically (and, touch wood, temporarily) lost the right to regard itself as great.”

    I really hope Mr Norman is using the ‘Royal We’ in this instance – because a primary reason this nonsense was allowed to continue unfettered, was the utter failure of a cowed fourth estate, which I believe constitutes a part of this ‘great democracy’ to report a great deal of it.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10323319/Why-did-we-tolerate-this-putrid-nonsense-from-New-Labour.html

    Spot on. There's no "we" in this. The media knew and hid it from the public.
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    MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
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    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    UKIP will probably get a big psychological boost if AfD enter the German Parliament tomorrow.

    And the other UK parties will get a sense of impending doom. Fingers crossed.
    I think it's fair to posit that UKIP will do at least as well in 2015 as AfD do tomorrow, in percentage terms.

    So if AfD get 5.5%, for example, UKIP will probably get more than the 5% Dave says will be enough to stop the Tories winning a majority next time.
    If Mr Cameron thinks UKIP are what stands between the Conservatives and electoral success Lynton Crosby is not earning his money.

    Wasn't that precisely what Lord Ashcroft's marginals poll was showing - a big surge in UKIP support in the crucial Con/Lab marginals?
    If Labour seats are weighted more DE and Con/Lib seats are weighted more AB and marginals are weighted more C2/C1 (dunno if they are, just an assumption.)

    and

    UKIP vote is: disgruntled Tories + people who currently see themselves in the middle but now looking over a cliff + bitter ex-labour

    then UKIP ought to do best in marginals.
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    The Sundays are pitching in to Labour...wonder why
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    Neil said:

    @anotherDave

    The Eurocrats havent forced national governments to accept the free movement of labour. It's a cornerstone of the whole operation that the national governments themselves created.

    The french refused to accept british beef.

    The power of the eurocrats is an illusion. If national governments choose stand up to them, they can win.
    The French ended up scrapping the ban when the Commission threatened to fine them.

    But if you're thinking the UK government can start ignoring its treaty obligations, the ultimate threat is that other countries will retaliate in kind. You ignore the agreement that says our citizens can live in your country, and refuse to pay the resulting fines, and we ignore the agreement that says your banks are allowed to sell to our consumers, etc etc.
    The French scrapped the ban, what? Three years later?

    Though you are right, of course. The danger of retaliation must be borne in mind before starting a trade war.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,350
    Modest Labour uptick in LibDem conference week is encouraging, but we need to wait for all the conferences to get a clear view. The YouGov details also show a modest uptick in people thinking the Coalition has been a good thing, and don't show any impressive shifts either way if EdM was replaced by any of the other possibilities, even though the question is only the mild more likely/less likely to vote Labour - the impression given is that it doesn't matter much to most current Labour voters. The free school meals thing gets a lukewarm reception, even among LibDems - people quite like it but many think the money would be better used elsewhere. The usual quirks in the detail as people wrestle with the complex questions - 6% of CURRENT Tory voters say it wouldn't matter whether DM replaced EdM since they will vote Labour anyway - eh?

    On Germany, FWIW I broadly agree with AndyJS's prediction except that I think the AfD will possibly just miss out and the Left will do a bit better than the polls (9.2%?), as they really do have a shy voter issue. I also wonder if the attention to the AfD could tip the FDP under 5%. I don't understand the FT instability prediction - a CDU-SPD coalition is the most likely outcome and that's as solid as you can get.
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    MrJones said:

    FPT

    It's okay you won't say which you feel is more important out of a) a politician using the word "slut" or b) (almost) the entire media and political class ignoring this

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/boys-quizzed-over-500-rapes-a-year-by-gangs-8335165.html

    because it would make your position cheering Bloom getting sacked nonsensical.

    "Is it completely absent?"

    Correct, it's not *entirely* absent from the media otherwise no-one could mention it - like the grooming gangs in all the years before the Times reported it. I wonder how many other problems there are like that which no-one can mention because the media wall hasn't leaked?

    "Is it absent in the link you keep on posting?"

    Hehe. That's cognitive dissonance that is - annoying innit.

    I could alternate with the other mention, the Guardian article from 2004. The estimate in that is only 360 a year but that's because it's been getting worse every year.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/apr/04/ukcrime.ameliahill

    The rest was just deflection so i'll keep it short.

    Bloom getting sacked wasn't nonsensical at all. He has a track record of making comments that demean women and others in various ways. I know you might think that's unimportant, but fortunately most of us have moved on from that point of view.

    I'm not answering your question because it's rubbish: Bloom was not sacked because of gang rapes. There's no connection between the two. The fact you try to make a connection says more about you than anything else.

    The sheer, unmitigated stupidity of your attitude is that you don't see that getting rid of a dinosaur like Bloom should actually help UKIP in the future. A few months ago, after a previous gaffe, I suggested that UKIP should sack him. If they had done, then they would have saved their conference from becoming a laughing stock.
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    MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523


    Bloom getting sacked wasn't nonsensical at all. He has a track record of making comments that demean women and others in various ways. I know you might think that's unimportant, but fortunately most of us have moved on from that point of view.

    I'm not answering your question because it's rubbish: Bloom was not sacked because of gang rapes. There's no connection between the two. The fact you try to make a connection says more about you than anything else.

    The sheer, unmitigated stupidity of your attitude is that you don't see that getting rid of a dinosaur like Bloom should actually help UKIP in the future. A few months ago, after a previous gaffe, I suggested that UKIP should sack him. If they had done, then they would have saved their conference from becoming a laughing stock.

    "Bloom getting sacked wasn't nonsensical at all."

    I didn't say Bloom getting sacked was nonsensical though did I. It's sensible enough on multiple grounds. I said your position is nonsensical - cheering Bloom getting sacked as a sign of some kind of progress while not a single member of the political class could mention this

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/boys-quizzed-over-500-rapes-a-year-by-gangs-8335165.html

    without having their career disintegrated by the same sort of people at the BBC and Channel 4 who would cheer the most over Bloom.
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    MrJones said:


    Bloom getting sacked wasn't nonsensical at all. He has a track record of making comments that demean women and others in various ways. I know you might think that's unimportant, but fortunately most of us have moved on from that point of view.

    I'm not answering your question because it's rubbish: Bloom was not sacked because of gang rapes. There's no connection between the two. The fact you try to make a connection says more about you than anything else.

    The sheer, unmitigated stupidity of your attitude is that you don't see that getting rid of a dinosaur like Bloom should actually help UKIP in the future. A few months ago, after a previous gaffe, I suggested that UKIP should sack him. If they had done, then they would have saved their conference from becoming a laughing stock.

    "Bloom getting sacked wasn't nonsensical at all."

    I didn't say Bloom getting sacked was nonsensical though did I. It's sensible enough on multiple grounds. I said your position is nonsensical - cheering Bloom getting sacked as a sign of some kind of progress while not a single member of the political class could mention this

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/boys-quizzed-over-500-rapes-a-year-by-gangs-8335165.html

    without having their career disintegrated by the same sort of people at the BBC and Channel 4 who would cheer the most over Bloom.
    I think you need to learn the definition of 'nonsensical'.

    You repeatedly spam this site with an old link about gang rapes, whilst ignoring the much larger number of women (and men) who get raped every year by non-gangs.

    Some victims recover: others have their lives ruined. Yet you never mention them.

    Why?
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    So some major pollsters have Lab and Con level pegging - and others show a fairly wide gap.

    One set of pollsters is therefore wrong.

    I'll leave it to those more in the know than me to say which is which.
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