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I suppose it's good that they are getting rid of the nukes and all that, but it's not much good for this year's Nobel Peace Prize betting market. pic.twitter.com/o9Ahh6UQoF
iirc Shadsy went 2/1 against Kim and Trump (combined) when first noted here. I do not see why Trump would not win along with Kim and Moon (though see below) but you'd want to know if Shadsy would settle the bet as a dead heat or as a loser. It's the word alone in brackets that makes me uncertain.
Incidentally the fear is not that Kim will do something rash but that Trump will -- in Iran.
The Time Person of the Year award is another to keep an eye on for Trump and for Kim.
Surely Trump can’t get it while sabre-rattling over Iran?
If Kissinger could win it in 1973 during the Vietnam War I see no reason why Trump couldn't. (I can see many reasons why he shouldn't but that's not the same issue.)
Surely Trump can’t get it while sabre-rattling over Iran?
If Kissinger could win it in 1973 during the Vietnam War I see no reason why Trump couldn't. (I can see many reasons why he shouldn't but that's not the same issue.)
Surely Trump can’t get it while sabre-rattling over Iran?
If it has the same effect as his sabre-rattling over North Korea, then possibly.
Trump's sabre-rattling over North Korea was irrelevant; it amounted only to a statement of the bleeding obvious threat of massive retaliation if attacked. It was Trump's sanctions and tariffs against China that were important here, albeit indirectly. Kim's sabre-rattling, on the other hand, has succeeded (or might have done, depending what happens next).
The one quibble I have with this piece is the suggestion that Kim Jong-un is volatile. My impression is that he is a brutally focused individual, which is why he will achieve his aim of keeping his nuclear weapons and having sanctions removed.
If he gets the Nobel peace Prize, irony is deader than ever.
The prize should be given when there is a compelling reason to make an award, not as an annual event. Deciding to make the award first and then casting around for someone who might happen to deserve it seems wrong to me.
Surely Trump can’t get it while sabre-rattling over Iran?
If it has the same effect as his sabre-rattling over North Korea, then possibly.
Trump's sabre-rattling over North Korea was irrelevant; it amounted only to a statement of the bleeding obvious threat of massive retaliation if attacked. It was Trump's sanctions and tariffs against China that were important here, albeit indirectly. Kim's sabre-rattling, on the other hand, has succeeded (or might have done, depending what happens next).
Hasn’t the biggest contribution to Kim’s new attitude come from the collapse of his test site?
Incidentally, we now appear to have the reason why the MP for Dover was suspended from the Tories. Looks somewhat murky.
F1: forget to mention, but I'd advocate setting up hedges for the silly long odds bets, if you followed them, on the Haas/Force India drivers. At least that way if last year is repeated a profit can still be had (if Perez is leading the penultimate lap then has a gearbox failure, I'd be less than thrilled).
The one quibble I have with this piece is the suggestion that Kim Jong-un is volatile. My impression is that he is a brutally focused individual, which is why he will achieve his aim of keeping his nuclear weapons and having sanctions removed.
If he gets the Nobel peace Prize, irony is deader than ever.
On the plus side it might tempt Tom Lehrer out of retirement.
Surely Trump can’t get it while sabre-rattling over Iran?
If Kissinger could win it in 1973 during the Vietnam War I see no reason why Trump couldn't. (I can see many reasons why he shouldn't but that's not the same issue.)
Surely Trump can’t get it while sabre-rattling over Iran?
If it has the same effect as his sabre-rattling over North Korea, then possibly.
Trump's sabre-rattling over North Korea was irrelevant; it amounted only to a statement of the bleeding obvious threat of massive retaliation if attacked. It was Trump's sanctions and tariffs against China that were important here, albeit indirectly. Kim's sabre-rattling, on the other hand, has succeeded (or might have done, depending what happens next).
Actually, Kim playing out of his skin during the Winter Olympics, that got this thing started. Why did he do it ? Well, finally Chinese sanctions started to bite.
Remember, everyone ignored Pence at the Olympics.
Trump gets the credit [ a bit of Haley too! ] for persuading the Security Council to add sanctions on NK. China followed and that hurt! [ Partially, that is why Trump had to act to embarrass Haley publicly ]
Ironically, the Koreas may have stolen a march on everyone else. In fact, whatever they say, the US , China or Japan will not be too happy if their own leverage diminishes. Japan for old fears and Korea now will be a different proposition.
If Kim is clever and it looks and sounds that he is, he could play a blinder! Allow his impoverished people good wages as a labour intensive sweat-shop for the South. First only near the border regions and gradually moving northwards. This could be their Deng Hsiao Ping moment !
The world benefits from a lower military heat and the Koreas roar ahead. The neighbours and the US loses influence.
Surely Trump can’t get it while sabre-rattling over Iran?
If it has the same effect as his sabre-rattling over North Korea, then possibly.
Trump's sabre-rattling over North Korea was irrelevant; it amounted only to a statement of the bleeding obvious threat of massive retaliation if attacked. It was Trump's sanctions and tariffs against China that were important here, albeit indirectly. Kim's sabre-rattling, on the other hand, has succeeded (or might have done, depending what happens next).
Hasn’t the biggest contribution to Kim’s new attitude come from the collapse of his test site? ...
Mr. Surby, there is at least one big problem. Every dictator in the world will have watched and learnt that getting yourself some nukes is the way to get what you want. Peace now is very good, but it may have made future nuclear proliferation a much more serious problem.
Interesting sweatshop idea. If the Kim dynasty feel they can do that whilst keeping absolute control (worth recalling that North Korea has literal concentration camps. It's an utterly brutal regime) they could go for that.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
Surely Trump can’t get it while sabre-rattling over Iran?
If it has the same effect as his sabre-rattling over North Korea, then possibly.
Trump's sabre-rattling over North Korea was irrelevant; it amounted only to a statement of the bleeding obvious threat of massive retaliation if attacked. It was Trump's sanctions and tariffs against China that were important here, albeit indirectly. Kim's sabre-rattling, on the other hand, has succeeded (or might have done, depending what happens next).
Hasn’t the biggest contribution to Kim’s new attitude come from the collapse of his test site? ...
The prize should be given when there is a compelling reason to make an award, not as an annual event. Deciding to make the award first and then casting around for someone who might happen to deserve it seems wrong to me.
They have the option of not awarding it, as in 1948 after Gandhi's assassination.
The one quibble I have with this piece is the suggestion that Kim Jong-un is volatile. My impression is that he is a brutally focused individual, which is why he will achieve his aim of keeping his nuclear weapons and having sanctions removed.
If he gets the Nobel peace Prize, irony is deader than ever.
On the plus side it might tempt Tom Lehrer out of retirement.
I doubt it. If he said of Dubya 'I don't want to laugh at him, I want to vaporise him,' what must he feel about Trump?
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
Has the entire test facility collapsed or just one tunnel? In any case, it has done its work. NK has demonstrated to the world it can detonate nuclear bombs. It would probably have been shuttered anyway as no longer needed, as the French did in the 90s.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
It might have to be a posthumous award. Kim can be a little tough on subordinates who let him down!
Mind you a Kim peace prize would be an interesting award for a man who assassinated his brother with chemical agents in an airport. It would give Mr Putin scope for hope!
F1: I forgot to hedge the Force India/Haas bets, but looking at Ladbrokes (I tend to use the Ladbrokes exchange for such things because the bets are there) there are many new markets up. So I shall peruse them, and perhaps offer yet more exciting suggestions.
Mr. Surby, there is at least one big problem. Every dictator in the world will have watched and learnt that getting yourself some nukes is the way to get what you want. Peace now is very good, but it may have made future nuclear proliferation a much more serious problem.
Interesting sweatshop idea. If the Kim dynasty feel they can do that whilst keeping absolute control (worth recalling that North Korea has literal concentration camps. It's an utterly brutal regime) they could go for that.
There is another issue that should not be overlooked which is the example of China.
China has shown that you can have a dictatorship and benefit from a market economy. The Kim dynasty can remain in power and the North Korean people can prosper once more (remember it used to be richer than the South) as both China and South Korea pour money in.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
Has the entire test facility collapsed or just one tunnel? In any case, it has done its work. NK has demonstrated to the world it can detonate nuclear bombs. It would probably have been shuttered anyway as no longer needed, as the French did in the 90s.
From the Chinese reports, it sounds like the whole facility in the mountain got destroyed by several large explosions. More than the facility itself, it was also home to the team of scientists responsible for the NK nuclear program who are probably lost.
F1: I forgot to hedge the Force India/Haas bets, but looking at Ladbrokes (I tend to use the Ladbrokes exchange for such things because the bets are there) there are many new markets up. So I shall peruse them, and perhaps offer yet more exciting suggestions.
Some more ideas from Betfair:
Under 15.5 classified drivers (5 or more retirements) 1.75 Grosjean for points 5.0 (he starts from the back). Winning car - Mercedes 2.75 First lap leader Hamilton 5.5 Bottas 13 or lay Vettel 1.37 (it’s 2km from the start of the last straight to the line but there might be an SC).
F1: decided against backing anything extra, except a small sum on Mr. Sandpit's Raikkonen tip. Anyway, what I'd really like is for the top 6 to smash into one another and for a Force India/Haas podium
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
It might have to be a posthumous award. Kim can be a little tough on subordinates who let him down!
Mind you a Kim peace prize would be an interesting award for a man who assassinated his brother with chemical agents in an airport. It would give Mr Putin scope for hope!
Article 4 makes it rather difficult to award posthumous prizes:
'Work produced by a person since deceased shall not be considered for an award. If, however, a prizewinner dies before he has received the prize, then the prize may be presented.'
Not impossible, but difficult. In effect they have to be alive at the time of the nomination.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
All nuclear powers stop testing after a while. The North Korean facility may have run its course. The key point is Kim gets to keep his nuclear weapons to deploy when he wants.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
All nuclear powers stop testing after a while. The North Korean facility may have run its course. The key point is Kim gets to keep his nuclear weapons to deploy when he wants.
Assuming they.or some/most of them, weren’t destroyed when the facility collapsed.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
All nuclear powers stop testing after a while. The North Korean facility may have run its course. The key point is Kim gets to keep his nuclear weapons to deploy when he wants.
Assuming they.or some/most of them, weren’t destroyed when the facility collapsed.
Aren’t there any spy satellites nowadays?
Yes, but I'm not sure how many of them can take photographs through several hundred feet of rock...
I'm surprised the assumption isn't that that the nuclear facility was sabotaged. The Yanks are generally assumed to be behind anything that goes wrong in communist countries.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
All nuclear powers stop testing after a while. The North Korean facility may have run its course. The key point is Kim gets to keep his nuclear weapons to deploy when he wants.
Assuming they.or some/most of them, weren’t destroyed when the facility collapsed.
Aren’t there any spy satellites nowadays?
Yes, but I'm not sure how many of them can take photographs through several hundred feet of rock...
I suspect that if half a mountain has collapsed into itself, then there’ll be some signs on the outside.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
Has the entire test facility collapsed or just one tunnel? In any case, it has done its work. NK has demonstrated to the world it can detonate nuclear bombs. It would probably have been shuttered anyway as no longer needed, as the French did in the 90s.
From the Chinese reports, it sounds like the whole facility in the mountain got destroyed by several large explosions. More than the facility itself, it was also home to the team of scientists responsible for the NK nuclear program who are probably lost.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
It might have to be a posthumous award. Kim can be a little tough on subordinates who let him down!
Mind you a Kim peace prize would be an interesting award for a man who assassinated his brother with chemical agents in an airport. It would give Mr Putin scope for hope!
Article 4 makes it rather difficult to award posthumous prizes:
'Work produced by a person since deceased shall not be considered for an award. If, however, a prizewinner dies before he has received the prize, then the prize may be presented.'
Not impossible, but difficult. In effect they have to be alive at the time of the nomination.
It is a sad rule. The Scottish engineer Ron Drever actually devised the crucial piece of equipment that allowed for the detection of gravitational waves.
He passed away on 7 March 2017, and his colleagues Weiss and Thorne won the Nobel prize in Autumn 2017. Drever really deserved to be there with them, because the whole experiment would not have worked without him. No Drever, no gravitational wave detection.
The Nobel Committee added a factotum, the American scientist Barry Barish to get the prize, along with Weiss & Thorne.
A Barish is now a generic term of disparagement in the physics community.
A Barish is someone who huffs around, adding little in terms of insight and intuition, but is ready to claim the approbation.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
All nuclear powers stop testing after a while. The North Korean facility may have run its course. The key point is Kim gets to keep his nuclear weapons to deploy when he wants.
Assuming they.or some/most of them, weren’t destroyed when the facility collapsed.
Aren’t there any spy satellites nowadays?
Yes, but I'm not sure how many of them can take photographs through several hundred feet of rock...
I suspect that if half a mountain has collapsed into itself, then there’ll be some signs on the outside.
I was thinking more about what might, or might not, have been buried underneath it.
And of course, it is possible for there to be internal falls leaving little initial sign on the surface.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
Has the entire test facility collapsed or just one tunnel? In any case, it has done its work. NK has demonstrated to the world it can detonate nuclear bombs. It would probably have been shuttered anyway as no longer needed, as the French did in the 90s.
From the Chinese reports, it sounds like the whole facility in the mountain got destroyed by several large explosions. More than the facility itself, it was also home to the team of scientists responsible for the NK nuclear program who are probably lost.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
Has the entire test facility collapsed or just one tunnel? In any case, it has done its work. NK has demonstrated to the world it can detonate nuclear bombs. It would probably have been shuttered anyway as no longer needed, as the French did in the 90s.
From the Chinese reports, it sounds like the whole facility in the mountain got destroyed by several large explosions. More than the facility itself, it was also home to the team of scientists responsible for the NK nuclear program who are probably lost.
I was working in Brussels when it was announced, at the very dark heart of the EU. The miasma & disgust with which the announcement was greeted by the underlings was palpable.
Only the top EU-antifranks were beaming.
Still, there are two institutions for which I have zero respect -- the EU and the Nobel Peace Prize. They deserve each other.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
Has the entire test facility collapsed or just one tunnel? In any case, it has done its work. NK has demonstrated to the world it can detonate nuclear bombs. It would probably have been shuttered anyway as no longer needed, as the French did in the 90s.
From the Chinese reports, it sounds like the whole facility in the mountain got destroyed by several large explosions. More than the facility itself, it was also home to the team of scientists responsible for the NK nuclear program who are probably lost.
The North Korean main test site is a mess, its considered near un-useable.
Just a note, since it got me compared to some poster called Tapestry. A number of months back I mentioned those well known giants, Moldovan banks, appeared to be large investors into Scotland and that perhaps it needed looking at since there appeared to be some interesting Russian money pumped through it.
That would be a real slap in the face for May, but it seems unlikely given how unenthusiastic the Norwegians are about the EU.
Norwegian politicians generally think the EU is great (main exceptions are the agrarian Centre Party and the right-wing Progress Party) and would like to rejoin, but they accept that most voters don't want to (but probably don't feel especially anti-EU, they just don't want to be members).
On topic, I think it'd be fair to give Trump and Kim the prize if they do pull it off. The prize isn't for being nice people, it's for making the world safer. And, reluctantly, I suspect that their mutual bellicosity may well have helped get them as far as they have. Some way to go, though!
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
Has the entire test facility collapsed or just one tunnel? In any case, it has done its work. NK has demonstrated to the world it can detonate nuclear bombs. It would probably have been shuttered anyway as no longer needed, as the French did in the 90s.
From the Chinese reports, it sounds like the whole facility in the mountain got destroyed by several large explosions. More than the facility itself, it was also home to the team of scientists responsible for the NK nuclear program who are probably lost.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
Has the entire test facility collapsed or just one tunnel? In any case, it has done its work. NK has demonstrated to the world it can detonate nuclear bombs. It would probably have been shuttered anyway as no longer needed, as the French did in the 90s.
From the Chinese reports, it sounds like the whole facility in the mountain got destroyed by several large explosions. More than the facility itself, it was also home to the team of scientists responsible for the NK nuclear program who are probably lost.
The North Korean main test site is a mess, its considered near un-useable.
Just a note, since it got me compared to some poster called Tapestry. A number of months back I mentioned those well known giants, Moldovan banks, appeared to be large investors into Scotland and that perhaps it needed looking at since there appeared to be some interesting Russian money pumped through it.
That would be the Westminster controlled money laundering schemes. Westminster have been very reluctant to do anything about it, one wonders why they have not scrapped their SLP scheme, personal interest perhaps.
The North Korean main test site is a mess, its considered near un-useable.
Just a note, since it got me compared to some poster called Tapestry. A number of months back I mentioned those well known giants, Moldovan banks, appeared to be large investors into Scotland and that perhaps it needed looking at since there appeared to be some interesting Russian money pumped through it.
That would be the Westminster controlled money laundering schemes. Westminster have been very reluctant to do anything about it, one wonders why they have not scrapped their SLP scheme, personal interest perhaps.
Private Eye has been banging on about it for ages.
Paywalled, not quite as sensational as the headline, trying to shore up what's left of the minority tory vote on Thursday..
This does make an important point often missed in discussions here -- the Windrush scandal goes beyond a few hundred people on a particular ship at a particular time. It potentially affects every immigrant ever, and their families. The question is not: are you here legally but rather can you lay your hands on the paperwork to prove it? Documents which you probably never had in the first place because Britain is not that sort of country.
That would be a real slap in the face for May, but it seems unlikely given how unenthusiastic the Norwegians are about the EU.
Norwegian politicians generally think the EU is great (main exceptions are the agrarian Centre Party and the right-wing Progress Party) and would like to rejoin, but they accept that most voters don't want to (but probably don't feel especially anti-EU, they just don't want to be members).
On topic, I think it'd be fair to give Trump and Kim the prize if they do pull it off. The prize isn't for being nice people, it's for making the world safer. And, reluctantly, I suspect that their mutual bellicosity may well have helped get them as far as they have. Some way to go, though!
Well, in order to have peace, there first needs to be conflict. You cannot make peace with friends.
I am not too convinced that Trump had much to do with recent events, more the change of government in South Korea, and China finding the whole business tiresome.
Denuclearisation of the peninsula does mean US withdrawal too.
The North Korean main test site is a mess, its considered near un-useable.
Just a note, since it got me compared to some poster called Tapestry. A number of months back I mentioned those well known giants, Moldovan banks, appeared to be large investors into Scotland and that perhaps it needed looking at since there appeared to be some interesting Russian money pumped through it.
That would be the Westminster controlled money laundering schemes. Westminster have been very reluctant to do anything about it, one wonders why they have not scrapped their SLP scheme, personal interest perhaps.
Private Eye has been banging on about it for ages.
Yes very odd that Westminster seem keen to keep it in place, or maybe not so odd at all.
That would be a real slap in the face for May, but it seems unlikely given how unenthusiastic the Norwegians are about the EU.
Norwegian politicians generally think the EU is great (main exceptions are the agrarian Centre Party and the right-wing Progress Party) and would like to rejoin, but they accept that most voters don't want to (but probably don't feel especially anti-EU, they just don't want to be members).
On topic, I think it'd be fair to give Trump and Kim the prize if they do pull it off. The prize isn't for being nice people, it's for making the world safer. And, reluctantly, I suspect that their mutual bellicosity may well have helped get them as far as they have. Some way to go, though!
One correction Nick. They cannot 'rejoin' as they were never members in the first place.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
Has the entire test facility collapsed or just one tunnel? In any case, it has done its work. NK has demonstrated to the world it can detonate nuclear bombs. It would probably have been shuttered anyway as no longer needed, as the French did in the 90s.
From the Chinese reports, it sounds like the whole facility in the mountain got destroyed by several large explosions. More than the facility itself, it was also home to the team of scientists responsible for the NK nuclear program who are probably lost.
Interesting review by Hannan, but as he was in short trousers in Peru, maybe his insight into Seventies Britain isn't great. The Sevenies was the era Britain became a consumerist society:
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
Has the entire test facility collapsed or just one tunnel? In any case, it has done its work. NK has demonstrated to the world it can detonate nuclear bombs. It would probably have been shuttered anyway as no longer needed, as the French did in the 90s.
From the Chinese reports, it sounds like the whole facility in the mountain got destroyed by several large explosions. More than the facility itself, it was also home to the team of scientists responsible for the NK nuclear program who are probably lost.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
Has the entire test facility collapsed or just one tunnel? In any case, it has done its work. NK has demonstrated to the world it can detonate nuclear bombs. It would probably have been shuttered anyway as no longer needed, as the French did in the 90s.
From the Chinese reports, it sounds like the whole facility in the mountain got destroyed by several large explosions. More than the facility itself, it was also home to the team of scientists responsible for the NK nuclear program who are probably lost.
Dr. Foxy, the seventies were the last decade the unions had the whip hand. Once again showing the dangers of having the far left in power (besides the terrible threat to the economy. Not to mention the Jews. And anyone who disagrees with the Word of Chairman Corbyn).
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
Has the entire test facility collapsed or just one tunnel? In any case, it has done its work. NK has demonstrated to the world it can detonate nuclear bombs. It would probably have been shuttered anyway as no longer needed, as the French did in the 90s.
From the Chinese reports, it sounds like the whole facility in the mountain got destroyed by several large explosions. More than the facility itself, it was also home to the team of scientists responsible for the NK nuclear program who are probably lost.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
Has the entire test facility collapsed or just one tunnel? In any case, it has done its work. NK has demonstrated to the world it can detonate nuclear bombs. It would probably have been shuttered anyway as no longer needed, as the French did in the 90s.
From the Chinese reports, it sounds like the whole facility in the mountain got destroyed by several large explosions. More than the facility itself, it was also home to the team of scientists responsible for the NK nuclear program who are probably lost.
Interesting review by Hannan, but as he was in short trousers in Peru, maybe his insight into Seventies Britain isn't great. The Sevenies was the era Britain became a consumerist society:
Dr. Foxy, the seventies were the last decade the unions had the whip hand. Once again showing the dangers of having the far left in power (besides the terrible threat to the economy. Not to mention the Jews. And anyone who disagrees with the Word of Chairman Corbyn).
MD, it was a great time, I used to get monthly pay rises, beer and cars were cheap and life was great.
Dr. Foxy, the seventies were the last decade the unions had the whip hand. Once again showing the dangers of having the far left in power (besides the terrible threat to the economy. Not to mention the Jews. And anyone who disagrees with the Word of Chairman Corbyn).
The 70's were a good time to grow up, though. Probably the last decade in which children walked to and from school, and were left to their own devices.
On topic, rather like the Obama Nobel, this has the potential to make the Committee look very foolish. However important those handshakes this week nothing has really changed yet and it would be all too easy to see the Korean Peninsular slop back.into cold war standoff.
If and when denucularisation and disarming occurs then the two Korean leaders will undoubtedly have earned their prize. But I would suggest it would be better to wait for that and give the prize to someone else this year. Personally I would be pushing the King of Jordan who has given so much of his country over to refugee relief from Syria.
Dr. Foxy, the seventies were the last decade the unions had the whip hand. Once again showing the dangers of having the far left in power (besides the terrible threat to the economy. Not to mention the Jews. And anyone who disagrees with the Word of Chairman Corbyn).
Sure, there were momennts of trouble, and Seventies Britain looks a different world, but not all bad. The Yesterday channel is repeating "Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads? always one of my favourites. Comedy, but with great insight.
Dr. Foxy, the seventies were the last decade the unions had the whip hand. Once again showing the dangers of having the far left in power (besides the terrible threat to the economy. Not to mention the Jews. And anyone who disagrees with the Word of Chairman Corbyn).
The 70's were a good time to grow up, though. Probably the last decade in which children walked to and from school, and were left to their own devices.
Interesting review by Hannan, but as he was in short trousers in Peru, maybe his insight into Seventies Britain isn't great. The Sevenies was the era Britain became a consumerist society:
Dr. Foxy, the seventies were the last decade the unions had the whip hand. Once again showing the dangers of having the far left in power (besides the terrible threat to the economy. Not to mention the Jews. And anyone who disagrees with the Word of Chairman Corbyn).
MD, it was a great time, I used to get monthly pay rises, beer and cars were cheap and life was great.
Dr. Foxy, the seventies were the last decade the unions had the whip hand. Once again showing the dangers of having the far left in power (besides the terrible threat to the economy. Not to mention the Jews. And anyone who disagrees with the Word of Chairman Corbyn).
Sure, there were momennts of trouble, and Seventies Britain looks a different world, but not all bad. The Yesterday channel is repeating "Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads? always one of my favourites. Comedy, but with great insight.
Given that the winning option (Trump + China + Korea, or whatever) isn't available, this looks like a market to avoid.
The person who really deserves the prize is the North Korean who designed their nuclear test facility. If the facility hadn't collapsed, we wouldn't be talking about peace now.
Has the entire test facility collapsed or just one tunnel? In any case, it has done its work. NK has demonstrated to the world it can detonate nuclear bombs. It would probably have been shuttered anyway as no longer needed, as the French did in the 90s.
From the Chinese reports, it sounds like the whole facility in the mountain got destroyed by several large explosions. More than the facility itself, it was also home to the team of scientists responsible for the NK nuclear program who are probably lost.
Dr. Foxy, the seventies were the last decade the unions had the whip hand. Once again showing the dangers of having the far left in power (besides the terrible threat to the economy. Not to mention the Jews. And anyone who disagrees with the Word of Chairman Corbyn).
MD, it was a great time, I used to get monthly pay rises, beer and cars were cheap and life was great.
If you liked eating your meal by candlelight.
Richard , a mere inconvenience, just eat before dark
Dr. Foxy, the seventies were the last decade the unions had the whip hand. Once again showing the dangers of having the far left in power (besides the terrible threat to the economy. Not to mention the Jews. And anyone who disagrees with the Word of Chairman Corbyn).
The 70's were a good time to grow up, though. Probably the last decade in which children walked to and from school, and were left to their own devices.
Dr. Foxy, the seventies were the last decade the unions had the whip hand. Once again showing the dangers of having the far left in power (besides the terrible threat to the economy. Not to mention the Jews. And anyone who disagrees with the Word of Chairman Corbyn).
Sure, there were momennts of trouble, and Seventies Britain looks a different world, but not all bad. The Yesterday channel is repeating "Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads? always one of my favourites. Comedy, but with great insight.
I recall the 70’s, since it was I was in my thirties and I recall saying at my 40th birthday party that it seemed a good to be about and what a great group of friends I had. As Foxy says, there were some bad things happening, but it was all still going to get better! As per the 60’s.
This is the Committee who gave Obama a peace prize for, err, not being George W Bush? Think the Donald is right to be sceptical.
The Koreans are probably rightly favourites, so long as they continue to play nice. But if the Donald did bring peace to Korea, the Middle East and whatever we call Burma these days he still wouldn’t get a look in.
I’m surprised anyone takes any notice, other than as a betting opportunity.
Dr. Foxy, the seventies were the last decade the unions had the whip hand. Once again showing the dangers of having the far left in power (besides the terrible threat to the economy. Not to mention the Jews. And anyone who disagrees with the Word of Chairman Corbyn).
Sure, there were momennts of trouble, and Seventies Britain looks a different world, but not all bad. The Yesterday channel is repeating "Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads? always one of my favourites. Comedy, but with great insight.
I recall the 70’s, since it was I was in my thirties and I recall saying at my 40th birthday party that it seemed a good to be about and what a great group of friends I had. As Foxy says, there were some bad things happening, but it was all still going to get better! As per the 60’s.
It was the 80’s when things went wrong.
The 80s are what saved us from remaining the sick man of Europe forever.
The music was better in the 70s but not much else.
Dr. Foxy, the seventies were the last decade the unions had the whip hand. Once again showing the dangers of having the far left in power (besides the terrible threat to the economy. Not to mention the Jews. And anyone who disagrees with the Word of Chairman Corbyn).
Sure, there were momennts of trouble, and Seventies Britain looks a different world, but not all bad. The Yesterday channel is repeating "Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads? always one of my favourites. Comedy, but with great insight.
I recall the 70’s, since it was I was in my thirties and I recall saying at my 40th birthday party that it seemed a good to be about and what a great group of friends I had. As Foxy says, there were some bad things happening, but it was all still going to get better! As per the 60’s.
Interesting review by Hannan, but as he was in short trousers in Peru, maybe his insight into Seventies Britain isn't great. The Sevenies was the era Britain became a consumerist society:
Dr. Foxy, the seventies were the last decade the unions had the whip hand. Once again showing the dangers of having the far left in power (besides the terrible threat to the economy. Not to mention the Jews. And anyone who disagrees with the Word of Chairman Corbyn).
The 70's were a good time to grow up, though. Probably the last decade in which children walked to and from school, and were left to their own devices.
Son walks to school now. Most do
No longer true. Only about 25% do now compared to 75% in the Seventies:
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Incidentally the fear is not that Kim will do something rash but that Trump will -- in Iran.
The Time Person of the Year award is another to keep an eye on for Trump and for Kim.
If he gets the Nobel peace Prize, irony is deader than ever.
Incidentally, we now appear to have the reason why the MP for Dover was suspended from the Tories. Looks somewhat murky.
F1: forget to mention, but I'd advocate setting up hedges for the silly long odds bets, if you followed them, on the Haas/Force India drivers. At least that way if last year is repeated a profit can still be had (if Perez is leading the penultimate lap then has a gearbox failure, I'd be less than thrilled).
On-topic: I agree.
Remember, everyone ignored Pence at the Olympics.
Trump gets the credit [ a bit of Haley too! ] for persuading the Security Council to add sanctions on NK. China followed and that hurt! [ Partially, that is why Trump had to act to embarrass Haley publicly ]
Ironically, the Koreas may have stolen a march on everyone else. In fact, whatever they say, the US , China or Japan will not be too happy if their own leverage diminishes. Japan for old fears and Korea now will be a different proposition.
If Kim is clever and it looks and sounds that he is, he could play a blinder! Allow his impoverished people good wages as a labour intensive sweat-shop for the South. First only near the border regions and gradually moving northwards. This could be their Deng Hsiao Ping moment !
The world benefits from a lower military heat and the Koreas roar ahead. The neighbours and the US loses influence.
What's not to like !
With Trumpian disregard for the truth, Kim is claiming to be decommissioning it....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/29/north-korea-will-invite-foreign-observers-to-shuttering-of-nuclear-test-site
Interesting sweatshop idea. If the Kim dynasty feel they can do that whilst keeping absolute control (worth recalling that North Korea has literal concentration camps. It's an utterly brutal regime) they could go for that.
Mind you a Kim peace prize would be an interesting award for a man who assassinated his brother with chemical agents in an airport. It would give Mr Putin scope for hope!
China has shown that you can have a dictatorship and benefit from a market economy. The Kim dynasty can remain in power and the North Korean people can prosper once more (remember it used to be richer than the South) as both China and South Korea pour money in.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/26/north-korea-nuclear-test-site-collapse-may-be-out-of-action-china
Under 15.5 classified drivers (5 or more retirements) 1.75
Grosjean for points 5.0 (he starts from the back).
Winning car - Mercedes 2.75
First lap leader Hamilton 5.5 Bottas 13 or lay Vettel 1.37 (it’s 2km from the start of the last straight to the line but there might be an SC).
Mentioned the Bottas lead lap 1 bet. Always a bit tricky judging/guessing that sort of thing.
Which of those have you backed?
'Work produced by a person since deceased shall not be considered for an award. If, however, a prizewinner dies before he has received the prize, then the prize may be presented.'
Not impossible, but difficult. In effect they have to be alive at the time of the nomination.
Aren’t there any spy satellites nowadays?
I'm surprised the assumption isn't that that the nuclear facility was sabotaged. The Yanks are generally assumed to be behind anything that goes wrong in communist countries.
Half the votes will already have been cast by now anyway.
They won't apply the same tests to Kim Jong-Un and, in fact, might think by doing so they are encouraging him in the right direction.
Personally, I think he may decommission "a" nuclear site but it's naive to think he's going to give them all up, and he won't.
From yesterday the Toro Rossos to score points, safety car to be deployed during the race and Raikkonen to win at long odds.
F2 sprint race in 90 mins will give an idea of the weather in Baku.
F1 bets are definitely trickier this year.
James Bond always manages to blow up the baddies' lair in the end. Just sayin'.....
He passed away on 7 March 2017, and his colleagues Weiss and Thorne won the Nobel prize in Autumn 2017. Drever really deserved to be there with them, because the whole experiment would not have worked without him. No Drever, no gravitational wave detection.
The Nobel Committee added a factotum, the American scientist Barry Barish to get the prize, along with Weiss & Thorne.
A Barish is now a generic term of disparagement in the physics community.
A Barish is someone who huffs around, adding little in terms of insight and intuition, but is ready to claim the approbation.
And of course, it is possible for there to be internal falls leaving little initial sign on the surface.
I'll get my coat...
I was working in Brussels when it was announced, at the very dark heart of the EU. The miasma & disgust with which the announcement was greeted by the underlings was palpable.
Only the top EU-antifranks were beaming.
Still, there are two institutions for which I have zero respect -- the EU and the Nobel Peace Prize. They deserve each other.
Just a note, since it got me compared to some poster called Tapestry. A number of months back I mentioned those well known giants, Moldovan banks, appeared to be large investors into Scotland and that perhaps it needed looking at since there appeared to be some interesting Russian money pumped through it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-43935839
On topic, I think it'd be fair to give Trump and Kim the prize if they do pull it off. The prize isn't for being nice people, it's for making the world safer. And, reluctantly, I suspect that their mutual bellicosity may well have helped get them as far as they have. Some way to go, though!
I'm sure that the Foreign Office has a crack team working on this right now.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2018/apr/28/the-20-photographs-of-the-week#img-1
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/04/28/sajid-javids-windrush-fury-could-have-mum-dad/
Paywalled, not quite as sensational as the headline, trying to shore up what's left of the minority tory vote on Thursday..
I am not too convinced that Trump had much to do with recent events, more the change of government in South Korea, and China finding the whole business tiresome.
Denuclearisation of the peninsula does mean US withdrawal too.
https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/990165374728638464?s=19
They voted Remain.
If and when denucularisation and disarming occurs then the two Korean leaders will undoubtedly have earned their prize. But I would suggest it would be better to wait for that and give the prize to someone else this year. Personally I would be pushing the King of Jordan who has given so much of his country over to refugee relief from Syria.
And before computer games and YouTube.
Although we did play pong game on a TV.
As Foxy says, there were some bad things happening, but it was all still going to get better! As per the 60’s.
It was the 80’s when things went wrong.
The Koreans are probably rightly favourites, so long as they continue to play nice. But if the Donald did bring peace to Korea, the Middle East and whatever we call Burma these days he still wouldn’t get a look in.
I’m surprised anyone takes any notice, other than as a betting opportunity.
The music was better in the 70s but not much else.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/only-25-per-cent-of-children-walk-to-school-alone-compared-to-86-per-cent-in-1971-what-went-wrong-8452266.html
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Hmm.
Has Vince Cable morphed into the *Miss Havisham* of UK Politics ?
(Great Expectations)