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Has there been a more depressing time to be on the centre-left of British politics than now? The Labour party’s descent into institutionalised anti-Semitism is no huge surprise to those of us who have been watching the far-left for years, but the speed with which it has happened, the extent to which has occurred and the willingness of so many to ignore it have been shocking.
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What could possibly go wrong?
Keep us posted!
But it is a sad fact that Corbyn and his acolytes will use the renewed membership of those such as Joff to proclaim their success in building a mass movement of a party, they will use his money to promote their repulsive agenda and they feel emboldened rather than threatened.
I can understand Joffs frustration. I don’t have a better solution.
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/bahrain-pre-qualifying-2018.html
Edited extra bit: Mr. Sandpit, I think it's still worth backing, but you're right it'd be better if it were to start on pole.
On-topic: good luck, Mr. Observer. What are you going to do if Corbyn's still in place with six months to go until a General Election, though?
A church of England vicar writes-
https://twitter.com/WalkerMarcus/status/982575771985248256
Have we seen anything this bad since Mosely?
Of course the ballot box is a secret place.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43683687
I did some quick book reading.
He was chancellor of duchy of lancaster with responsibility for employment after 1929 election.
Colin Cross claims there is evidence he almost became Foreign Sec under MacDonald.
When will Theresa May cease to be Conservatives Leader? @ 1.62 is far too long (PP)
Unless you think she will resign as PM and stay on as leader (e.g. loses an election) then it is the reverse of Betfair's "to leave in 2018" which is a much more sensible 3/1.
However, he was tipped for promotion to the full cabinet very well quickly and widely thought of within Labour as a potential future leader.
Even after he left, there were serious attempts to lure him back to take over from Lansbury.
In my father's generation there was a similar battle within the Trades Unions. You are certainly associating with some purveyors of darkness, I'm afraid.
On the other hand, a mass movement of courageous well-wishers like you might be enough to (eventually) tow Labour off the sandbank on which it's beached itself.
However Mosley's problem as a politician was he was always passionate and over-committed to everything he took up. That's why he left the Tories, why he walked out of Labour in a huff when his policies weren't instantly adopted, and why his new party lurched into Fascism as he became more disillusioned with democracy.
It may also be seen in his, shall we say, energetic sex life.
Some will say that by joining I am helping to push Jeremy Corbyn closer to becoming Prime Minister. My response to that is that I am signing up because I do not believe a Labour party controlled by the far-left can ever win power – and I want a Labour government
So you are saying you don't think Corbyn will win so long as he and the party retain a far left focus, so pissing within the tent provides opportunity to change the party, without risking the far left actually running the country? While pissing without doesn't help him become PM, but also means no hope of changing the party?
Good luck I suppose. Better for everyone if you are successful.
That such a staunch critic of Corbyn sees the best approach as to rejoin the party (even though Corbyn's people will see people joining the party as a personal endorsement of him), shows just how silly any talk of splits is.
BUT, the bet was set up a while ago, so that it was 2017Q2 through to 2018Q4.
I would not begrudge Southam his choice, it's a hard one and perhaps it is the best approach for those of a like mind, but I don't think the public would have a problem putting a party led by the far left in power. If the appeal is strong enough, people won't consider that it is the far left they put in power, and probably don't think of it that way when the far right are gaining power.
The moral sewer that is Corbyn and his acolytes will not lose control of the Labour Party by people like Joff joining. They will be bolstered, as they see more people rallying to their banner.
The only way to defeat Corbynism is on the electoral battlefield. The Conservative Party is the only organisation capable of doing so. Only then will the Labour Party consider a new approach.
I’m also dubious about the morality of joining a party without the intention to vote for its candidates.
But the battle Joff is (re)joining is not the one against the Tories, but the ongoing civil war within Labour. Joining the weaker side in an internal struggle will most likely serve to prolong the agony. Meanwhile Labour remains the biggest obstacle to decent government in the country, and the change to a fairer more open political system remains as faraway as ever.
The party system has many issues but an amount of general support for one or the other is not unreasonable, but personal merit surely has to come into at some point? Otherwise people really are supposed to vote for the proverbial donkey with the right coloured rosette.
Even for party members it seems there must be a point at which supporting any old duffer put up as a candidate does not help the wider movement, or the direction of that movement. Loyalty to a brand can be worth it, to be sure, for the wider benefits, but is it really a virtue to support any candidates merely once they are selected? As we see with local councillors in particular, parties have no trouble selecting some right idiots sometimes. That isn't even a uniquely Labour issue.
Otherwise I agree 100%
It seems incredible but there is no point in ducking facts.
The trouble is that so few people pay attention to what is actually happening.
For the sake of the country I hope SO is successful although I fear he is fighting a lost cause at present.
Britain should be a country of tolerance. The Far Left and the Far Right would both drag us away from this and need to be opposed. Which is why SO is absolutely right in his stand.
What you presumably see as an attempt to maim, Joff presumably sees as an attempt at surgery.
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/982653100078092288
Seconded.....I'm still with the Labour Party through thick and thin.....
On the anti Semite thing Joff, do you not think the right are ramping it ever so slightly for political mileage....?
My aim is not to maim the Labour party, it is to play a role - no matter how small - in making it electable again. The country needs a credible alternative and it doesn’t have one at the moment.
Still, good luck and let us know how you get on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGg
Don't worry - in the end, everyone is a PB Tory. It might take years, but eventually they all go blue, even if only once.
Has it really been 2.5 years with him as Leader? What times we have had.
Burke’s “ For evil to triumph, all it takes is for good men to do nothing” is apposite.