The statement 'he current scandal is a bout of 'faux-outrage' and down to 'manipulations by people whose express loyalty is to the Conservative Party and the right wing of the Labour party'.' doesn't actually state there is no anti-semitism within the party. It is perfectly possible that both that position and what Corbyn said are true.
There were pockets of anti-semitism within Labour when Corbyn took over but the current scandal didn't exist at the time. If that is their point then that is true.
Of course this needs to be judged in the context of their other views, but let us take this optimistic analysis of what they meant - and I don't doubt you are correct about interpreting Momemtum's statement - but that is also one of the points I was making. There is an issue, but the extent of it, and how much Corbyn is the problem, is more up for debate, and it is possible that people think it is being exaggerated. However, if you were a media adviser to Corbyn for instance, surely you would suggest he not open himself up to easy attack by meeting with people who at first glance appear to be suggesting the whole thing is a mere manipulation?
Assuming the very best of Corbyn, and accepting opponents will seek to find something to criticise no matter what, meeting with Jewdas, given at the least the tenor of their statements, gives even more impartial media something to ask him about to clarify if he agrees this is the work of the Tories and his internal opponents.
On a practical level it is a misstep, even if in fact things are not as they appear.
I would agree its inadvisable. Someone made the comment about it being a local group and a Passover Seder so I do wonder if he is just doing what is in his mind the right thing. Which is partially what I was attracted to, so it makes it difficult sometimes to criticise him for making a tactical mistake.. or at least what appears to be a tactical mistake.
I wonder if this, on top of over the top defensiveness in reaction to over the top criticism, is part of what shields him from criticism from his supporters. If you support someone doing what you believe to be the right thing sometimes even in opposition to prevailing opinion then that means you have to accept him sometimes doing the same thing to you.
LMAO, so now the PB wisdom is that Corbyn is antisemitic for meeting with......a Jewish group.
No, the wisdom is that given that group at the least and on the most positive interpretation seems pretty dismissive of the current scandal which he is trying to address, it was an unwise group to meet with at this time.
Has anyone asked Corbyn whether he thinks Israel should exist at all?
I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if he said no.
Which would be the wrong stance to take, in my view. And I do often suspect people who oppose Israel's right to exist are motivated by antisemitism. But people who are Jewish themselves are quite self-evidently not motivated by that, unless they're taking self-hatred to new levels.
LMAO, so now the PB wisdom is that Corbyn is antisemitic for meeting with......a Jewish group.
No, the wisdom is that given that group at the least and on the most positive interpretation seems pretty dismissive of the current scandal which he is trying to address, it was an unwise group to meet with at this time.
Has anyone asked Corbyn whether he thinks Israel should exist at all?
Yes.
Challenging accusations of a weak response to growing anti-Semitism within his ranks, spurred in part by what many perceive as his own anti-Israel sentiments, embattled UK Labour leader Jerermy Corbyn faced members of London’s Jewish community on Sunday in the last debate of a closely fought internal election for the leadership of the party.
In his first such comments, Corbyn said that he supports Israel’s right to exist, based on Israel’s “original border,” a reference that presumably meant without Israeli control over the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and Gaza
Just had a thought that in 2017 the Conservatives might have been ahead in both the Penistone and Stocksbridge areas but behind by more in the rest of the constituency.
While there have been cases where Labour have lost constituencies despite being ahead in the places which give the constituency its name it must be very rare for it to happen to the Conservatives.
LMAO, so now the PB wisdom is that Corbyn is antisemitic for meeting with......a Jewish group.
No, the wisdom is that given that group at the least and on the most positive interpretation seems pretty dismissive of the current scandal which he is trying to address, it was an unwise group to meet with at this time.
Has anyone asked Corbyn whether he thinks Israel should exist at all?
I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if he said no.
Which would be the wrong stance to take, in my view. And I do often suspect people who oppose Israel's right to exist are motivated by antisemitism. But people who are Jewish themselves are quite self-evidently not motivated by that, unless they're taking self-hatred to new levels.
Not impossible, but yes, seems less likely. But in terms of Corbyn taking the view that there is a problem to face, they are far from helpful fellows at this time.
Just had a thought that in 2017 the Conservatives might have been ahead in both the Penistone and Stocksbridge areas but behind by more in the rest of the constituency.
While there have been cases where Labour have lost constituencies despite being ahead in the places which give the constituency its name it must be very rare for it to happen to the Conservatives.
Yes. Usually the other way round, I'd think: it'll be not that uncommon for Conservatives to lose the large town that gives a constituency its name but overturn that deficit in the smaller, rural villages and outer suburbs.
Just had a thought that in 2017 the Conservatives might have been ahead in both the Penistone and Stocksbridge areas but behind by more in the rest of the constituency.
While there have been cases where Labour have lost constituencies despite being ahead in the places which give the constituency its name it must be very rare for it to happen to the Conservatives.
Yes. Usually the other way round, I'd think: it'll be not that uncommon for Conservatives to lose the large town that gives a constituency its name but overturn that deficit in the smaller, rural villages and outer suburbs.
Unlikely, I would have thought. Stocksbridge is an old steel town, and probably the most Labour-friendly part of the seat.
(One interesting thing about Hick vs the Trump. Donald made his money catering to the rich: Trump Towers and Mar-el-Lago. The average man on the street has never bought a Trump product. Hickenlooper made his money out of beer. And pretty much everyone in Denver has found themselves at the Wynkoop at one point or another.)
Just had a thought that in 2017 the Conservatives might have been ahead in both the Penistone and Stocksbridge areas but behind by more in the rest of the constituency.
While there have been cases where Labour have lost constituencies despite being ahead in the places which give the constituency its name it must be very rare for it to happen to the Conservatives.
Yes. Usually the other way round, I'd think: it'll be not that uncommon for Conservatives to lose the large town that gives a constituency its name but overturn that deficit in the smaller, rural villages and outer suburbs.
Unlikely, I would have thought. Stocksbridge is an old steel town, and probably the most Labour-friendly part of the seat.
Labour would have done better in the two Ecclesfield wards and in Dodworth IMO.
And the Conservatives would have had to have done well in somewhere other than Penistone.
I vaguely recall that the Conservatives won some town council elections in Stocksbridge a decade ago.
Just had a thought that in 2017 the Conservatives might have been ahead in both the Penistone and Stocksbridge areas but behind by more in the rest of the constituency.
While there have been cases where Labour have lost constituencies despite being ahead in the places which give the constituency its name it must be very rare for it to happen to the Conservatives.
Yes. Usually the other way round, I'd think: it'll be not that uncommon for Conservatives to lose the large town that gives a constituency its name but overturn that deficit in the smaller, rural villages and outer suburbs.
Another example: the Tories might have got the most votes in the City of Durham itself in 1983 but narrowly come third overall because of the mining villages. The result was Lab 36.5%, Alliance 32.5%, Con 31.0%.
(One interesting thing about Hick vs the Trump. Donald made his money catering to the rich: Trump Towers and Mar-el-Lago. The average man on the street has never bought a Trump product. Hickenlooper made his money out of beer. And pretty much everyone in Denver has found themselves at the Wynkoop at one point or another.)
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This is 'Jewdas', the group Corbyn chose to meet tonight. They are a fringe group that despises and is despised by mainstream Jews."
In 2015, the group's football team, Jewdas FC, reached the semi-final of the Proudly East London Football Tournament
I wonder if this, on top of over the top defensiveness in reaction to over the top criticism, is part of what shields him from criticism from his supporters. If you support someone doing what you believe to be the right thing sometimes even in opposition to prevailing opinion then that means you have to accept him sometimes doing the same thing to you.
Which would be the wrong stance to take, in my view. And I do often suspect people who oppose Israel's right to exist are motivated by antisemitism. But people who are Jewish themselves are quite self-evidently not motivated by that, unless they're taking self-hatred to new levels.
Challenging accusations of a weak response to growing anti-Semitism within his ranks, spurred in part by what many perceive as his own anti-Israel sentiments, embattled UK Labour leader Jerermy Corbyn faced members of London’s Jewish community on Sunday in the last debate of a closely fought internal election for the leadership of the party.
In his first such comments, Corbyn said that he supports Israel’s right to exist, based on Israel’s “original border,” a reference that presumably meant without Israeli control over the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and Gaza
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-corbyn-says-israel-has-a-right-to-exist-under-1948-agreement/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/43349868
While there have been cases where Labour have lost constituencies despite being ahead in the places which give the constituency its name it must be very rare for it to happen to the Conservatives.
https://twitter.com/JohnJCrace/status/980932582199250944
Broad's on a hat trick
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hating_Jew
So, of course the leader of the LOYAL opposition meets them
I mean, why not
Do you believe the people in this group are antisemitic?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news-review/david-baddiel-am-i-stinking-vermin-or-am-i-running-the-world-the-racists-think-its-both-mqsk3mmkv
Before this test, wasn't it something like 45 innings since his last five for... ?
Get on the Hick.
(One interesting thing about Hick vs the Trump. Donald made his money catering to the rich: Trump Towers and Mar-el-Lago. The average man on the street has never bought a Trump product. Hickenlooper made his money out of beer. And pretty much everyone in Denver has found themselves at the Wynkoop at one point or another.)
New Zealand falling to pieces here.
Theresa's in Wales.
The stars are aligning...
Thursday 7th June for 2018 UK General Election.
#thisisit
And the Conservatives would have had to have done well in somewhere other than Penistone.
I vaguely recall that the Conservatives won some town council elections in Stocksbridge a decade ago.
UPDATE: Labour say Corbyn attended in a personal capacity not in his role as Labour leader. His own spokesman is dumping on him…
Night all. We'll see if this part of the Corbyn troubless has any legs soon enough.
NEW THREAD!
@rcs1000
I can only read 2 paragraphs but my opinion would be a top musician!
Think I also played his computer game, although I suspect him and Skinner only had a little to do with it.
This was a slightly curious story:
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/25/politics/kasich-hickenlooper-2020-unity-ticket/index.html