England on course for their lowest ever score in 141 years of test cricket if they carry on like this.
The lowest England score in test cricket was 45 against Australia in 1886.
We won that match.
Just saying.
That would be nice but I have a feeling scores used to be a lot lower in those days.
Exactly: just think how high our second innings total could be.
I reckon we're going for the record multiple between first and second innings.
By the way, I'm sorry for interrupting your dad's birthday party last year with the local election results spreadsheet. Can't remember whether I apologised or not.
Wakes up, checks cricket score. NZ 22/1, maybe the start was delayed by rain or something...
Wakes up a little more and checks again. Oh crap!
Its ok you didn't miss much ;-)
That’s a shocking performance, although now I guess I know how the Aussies felt when we did them for 60 a couple of years ago.
And we only got rescued by Overton at number nine, with more than half the team’s runs - when did a #9 last do that? Ninth wicket down with the score on only 27, could have been a whole lot worse too.
Remoaners getting upset that we will still be trading with the Franco-Dutch after Brexit?
Remainers seem to be getting upset over Leavers NOT getting upset over a number of things...fishing during transition....passports going to the best bid irrespective of nationality.....a lot of projecting going on...
Remoaners getting upset that we will still be trading with the Franco-Dutch after Brexit?
Remainers seem to be getting upset over Leavers NOT getting upset over a number of things...fishing during transition....passports going to the best bid irrespective of nationality.....a lot of projecting going on...
Very true. With the possible exception of Nigel Farage, there’s only one side that’s angry.
We shall see what comes out of the negotiations, there was good progress made earlier in the week, especially with regard to both sides acting in good faith - that language should prevent the EU from lining up a vote on a financial transactions tax on 30th March next year, or seeking to impose new rules on the UK domestic market after the transition period.
Remoaners getting upset that we will still be trading with the Franco-Dutch after Brexit?
Remainers seem to be getting upset over Leavers NOT getting upset over a number of things...fishing during transition....passports going to the best bid irrespective of nationality.....a lot of projecting going on...
Very true. With the possible exception of Nigel Farage, there’s only one side that’s angry.
We shall see what comes out of the negotiations, there was good progress made earlier in the week, especially with regard to both sides acting in good faith - that language should prevent the EU from lining up a vote on a financial transactions tax on 30th March next year, or seeking to impose new rules on the UK domestic market after the transition period.
It's actually terribly simple:
If William Glenn, TSE, LovinPutin1983 and archer101au hate it, then it's probably good for Britain.
A bunch of eloquent xenophobes convinced a wafer-think majority of the country to vote for it while the mother of all rainstorms was falling on London, and they won – just!
No-one had the first fucking idea what they wanted from it. The prime minister was clueless, and resigned. Theresa May arrived and hated on Europe, before granting its every wish.
David Davis began as a testosterone-fuelled eurosceptic, ended as the junior partner in a bromance with Michael Barnier. The French made a crust on making blue passports, while no-one laid a single brick building customs controls.
Did anyone really think it was worth it?
We laughed. We cried. Them were the days.
We ended free movement though after the transition and restored the sovereignty of Parliament
...We will end up conceding something that is slightly different from FM but essentially much the same
Remoaners getting upset that we will still be trading with the Franco-Dutch after Brexit?
Remainers seem to be getting upset over Leavers NOT getting upset over a number of things...fishing during transition....passports going to the best bid irrespective of nationality.....a lot of projecting going on...
Very true. With the possible exception of Nigel Farage, there’s only one side that’s angry.
We shall see what comes out of the negotiations, there was good progress made earlier in the week, especially with regard to both sides acting in good faith - that language should prevent the EU from lining up a vote on a financial transactions tax on 30th March next year, or seeking to impose new rules on the UK domestic market after the transition period.
It's actually terribly simple:
If William Glenn, TSE, LovinPutin1983 and archer101au hate it, then it's probably good for Britain.
Indeed. It’s clear that in the last couple of months the rhetoric of punishment from the EU side - every word of it eargerly lapped up by certain sections of the British media - has calmed down a lot.
Some of the adults in the EU and the member states probably started to realise that such language made no deal much more likely, and that a good post-Brexit relationship with the UK was more important than either punishing us for leaving or trying to get us to change our minds.
I’ve cerainly changed my own mind, from thinking we should walk away a few months ago during the media onslaught of negativity, to being happy with what’s actually coming out of the negotiations. Fingers crossed that the pragmatic attitude of the adults will prevail in the end.
Remoaners getting upset that we will still be trading with the Franco-Dutch after Brexit?
Remainers seem to be getting upset over Leavers NOT getting upset over a number of things...fishing during transition....passports going to the best bid irrespective of nationality.....a lot of projecting going on...
Very true. With the possible exception of Nigel Farage, there’s only one side that’s angry.
We shall see what comes out of the negotiations, there was good progress made earlier in the week, especially with regard to both sides acting in good faith - that language should prevent the EU from lining up a vote on a financial transactions tax on 30th March next year, or seeking to impose new rules on the UK domestic market after the transition period.
It's actually terribly simple:
If William Glenn, TSE, LovinPutin1983 and archer101au hate it, then it's probably good for Britain.
Indeed. It’s clear that in the last couple of months the rhetoric of punishment from the EU side - every word of it eargerly lapped up by certain sections of the British media - has calmed down a lot.
Some of the adults in the EU and the member states probably started to realise that such language made no deal much more likely, and that a good post-Brexit relationship with the UK was more important than either punishing us for leaving or trying to get us to change our minds.
I’ve cerainly changed my own mind, from thinking we should walk away a few months ago during the media onslaught of negativity, to being happy with what’s actually coming out of the negotiations. Fingers crossed that the pragmatic attitude of the adults will prevail in the end.
The underlying discussions have always been a lot more productive than Twitter would have you believe. Ultimately, both the EU and the UK want a deal. Most people - on both sides - are focused on that.
Sadly, the internet is full of people work loud voice, and little accrual knowledge.
A bunch of eloquent xenophobes convinced a wafer-think majority of the country to vote for it while the mother of all rainstorms was falling on London, and they won – just!
No-one had the first fucking idea what they wanted from it. The prime minister was clueless, and resigned. Theresa May arrived and hated on Europe, before granting its every wish.
David Davis began as a testosterone-fuelled eurosceptic, ended as the junior partner in a bromance with Michael Barnier. The French made a crust on making blue passports, while no-one laid a single brick building customs controls.
Did anyone really think it was worth it?
We laughed. We cried. Them were the days.
We ended free movement though after the transition and restored the sovereignty of Parliament
...We will end up conceding something that is slightly different from FM but essentially much the same
Remoaners getting upset that we will still be trading with the Franco-Dutch after Brexit?
Remainers seem to be getting upset over Leavers NOT getting upset over a number of things...fishing during transition....passports going to the best bid irrespective of nationality.....a lot of projecting going on...
Very true. With the possible exception of Nigel Farage, there’s only one side that’s angry.
We shall see what comes out of the negotiations, there was good progress made earlier in the week, especially with regard to both sides acting in good faith - that language should prevent the EU from lining up a vote on a financial transactions tax on 30th March next year, or seeking to impose new rules on the UK domestic market after the transition period.
It's actually terribly simple:
If William Glenn, TSE, LovinPutin1983 and archer101au hate it, then it's probably good for Britain.
Well we all know when it comes to fashion and music the opposite is true, if TSE loves it, it is definitely bad...
Remoaners getting upset that we will still be trading with the Franco-Dutch after Brexit?
Remainers seem to be getting upset over Leavers NOT getting upset over a number of things...fishing during transition....passports going to the best bid irrespective of nationality.....a lot of projecting going on...
Very true. With the possible exception of Nigel Farage, there’s only one side that’s angry.
We shall see what comes out of the negotiations, there was good progress made earlier in the week, especially with regard to both sides acting in good faith - that language should prevent the EU from lining up a vote on a financial transactions tax on 30th March next year, or seeking to impose new rules on the UK domestic market after the transition period.
It's actually terribly simple:
If William Glenn, TSE, LovinPutin1983 and archer101au hate it, then it's probably good for Britain.
Indeed. It’s clear that in the last couple of months the rhetoric of punishment from the EU side - every word of it eargerly lapped up by certain sections of the British media - has calmed down a lot.
Some of the adults in the EU and the member states probably started to realise that such language made no deal much more likely, and that a good post-Brexit relationship with the UK was more important than either punishing us for leaving or trying to get us to change our minds.
I’ve cerainly changed my own mind, from thinking we should walk away a few months ago during the media onslaught of negativity, to being happy with what’s actually coming out of the negotiations. Fingers crossed that the pragmatic attitude of the adults will prevail in the end.
It’s increasingly clear we will be leaving in name only. There will be some important, symbolic changes to our current relationship, but to all intents and purposes things will stay pretty much as they are - except will have less say in how the rules are made.
Just watched a futuristic BBC programme from 1987 forecasting what life would be like in the year 2000 presented by Robert Powell called Welcome To My World. One of the fictional things they had on the show was the collapse of the "Great Northern Bank".
Remoaners getting upset that we will still be trading with the Franco-Dutch after Brexit?
Remainers seem to be getting upset over Leavers NOT getting upset over a number of things...fishing during transition....passports going to the best bid irrespective of nationality.....a lot of projecting going on...
Very true. With the possible exception of Nigel Farage, there’s only one side that’s angry.
We shall see what comes out of the negotiations, there was good progress made earlier in the week, especially with regard to both sides acting in good faith - that language should prevent the EU from lining up a vote on a financial transactions tax on 30th March next year, or seeking to impose new rules on the UK domestic market after the transition period.
It's actually terribly simple:
If William Glenn, TSE, LovinPutin1983 and archer101au hate it, then it's probably good for Britain.
Indeed. It’s clear that in the last couple of months the rhetoric of punishment from the EU side - every word of it eargerly lapped up by certain sections of the British media - has calmed down a lot.
Some of the adults in the EU and the member states probably started to realise that such language made no deal much more likely, and that a good post-Brexit relationship with the UK was more important than either punishing us for leaving or trying to get us to change our minds.
I’ve cerainly changed my own mind, from thinking we should walk away a few months ago during the media onslaught of negativity, to being happy with what’s actually coming out of the negotiations. Fingers crossed that the pragmatic attitude of the adults will prevail in the end.
It’s increasingly clear we will be leaving in name only. There will be some important, symbolic changes to our current relationship, but to all intents and purposes things will stay pretty much as they are - except will have less say in how the rules are made.
I think the changes will be significant, but that they will happen slowly over time, rather than as a Big Bang.
But but but the naughty people told us they had got rid of the data.
More spin than Moeen Ali.
He cares about his company’s share price a lot more than he cares about protecting user data.
As I've said passim, CEOs and top figures in companies get paid a heck of a lot of money. The time they really earn their money isn't when the sailing's good; it's when they hit stormy waters.
Too many are found lacking at such times. Worse, too many just move onto other companies when they leave. The revolving-door for failure should be shut.
But but but the naughty people told us they had got rid of the data.
More spin than Moeen Ali.
He cares about his company’s share price a lot more than he cares about protecting user data.
Ummm. He is a public company CEO...
(You don’t actually believe that most CEOs *actually* care about the soft stuff they say, I hope?)
Not at all. I'm very grateful for this story, as it's shown his company up for what they are and how they operate. IMO their shares have a lot more to fall, they could end up in the 90% club if their customers (their real customers, the advertisers and data miners) start to pull out.
But but but the naughty people told us they had got rid of the data.
More spin than Moeen Ali.
He cares about his company’s share price a lot more than he cares about protecting user data.
Ummm. He is a public company CEO...
(You don’t actually believe that most CEOs *actually* care about the soft stuff they say, I hope?)
What next you will be telling me Google’s motto of don’t be evil is bollocks...
One of the interesting things mentioned in the book 'Googled' about the early years of thee company, was that they sat down to devise an ethos. 'Don't be evil' was the result. It also wasn't universally popular at the time.
But but but the naughty people told us they had got rid of the data.
More spin than Moeen Ali.
He cares about his company’s share price a lot more than he cares about protecting user data.
Ummm. He is a public company CEO...
(You don’t actually believe that most CEOs *actually* care about the soft stuff they say, I hope?)
Not at all. I'm very grateful for this story, as it's shown his company up for what they are and how they operate. IMO their shares have a lot more to fall, they could end up in the 90% club if their customers (their real customers, the advertisers and data miners) start to pull out.
Indeed. It’s clear that in the last couple of months the rhetoric of punishment from the EU side - every word of it eargerly lapped up by certain sections of the British media - has calmed down a lot.
Some of the adults in the EU and the member states probably started to realise that such language made no deal much more likely, and that a good post-Brexit relationship with the UK was more important than either punishing us for leaving or trying to get us to change our minds.
I’ve cerainly changed my own mind, from thinking we should walk away a few months ago during the media onslaught of negativity, to being happy with what’s actually coming out of the negotiations. Fingers crossed that the pragmatic attitude of the adults will prevail in the end.
It’s increasingly clear we will be leaving in name only. There will be some important, symbolic changes to our current relationship, but to all intents and purposes things will stay pretty much as they are - except will have less say in how the rules are made.
I've always thought - and said here - that the standard pattern for EU talks is delay followed by crisis followed by a fudged deal, and it's going exactly like that. The initial position next year will as you say be pretty much "as you were". I think, though, that the long-term evolution is less clear. It might turn out like Norway, pretty much an orbiting satellite of the EU with a few exceptions. The logic of that is rejoining eventually, perhaps in 10-20 years.
Or a future British Government might decide to strike out to become something significantly different. Some Leavers are really impatient for that, others see it as a natural process that will happen when the general environment has stabilised, and some are happy to settle for formal freedom without actually exercising it. I think we'll all be still arguing about the relationship for another decade.
But but but the naughty people told us they had got rid of the data.
More spin than Moeen Ali.
He cares about his company’s share price a lot more than he cares about protecting user data.
Ummm. He is a public company CEO...
(You don’t actually believe that most CEOs *actually* care about the soft stuff they say, I hope?)
Not at all. I'm very grateful for this story, as it's shown his company up for what they are and how they operate. IMO their shares have a lot more to fall, they could end up in the 90% club if their customers (their real customers, the advertisers and data miners) start to pull out.
For all he is a magnificent batsman, the fact Kane Williamson has outscored the entire England team without looking in the slightest trouble tells you all you need to know about how bad their batting was.
Indeed. It’s clear that in the last couple of months the rhetoric of punishment from the EU side - every word of it eargerly lapped up by certain sections of the British media - has calmed down a lot.
Some of the adults in the EU and the member states probably started to realise that such language made no deal much more likely, and that a good post-Brexit relationship with the UK was more important than either punishing us for leaving or trying to get us to change our minds.
I’ve cerainly changed my own mind, from thinking we should walk away a few months ago during the media onslaught of negativity, to being happy with what’s actually coming out of the negotiations. Fingers crossed that the pragmatic attitude of the adults will prevail in the end.
It’s increasingly clear we will be leaving in name only. There will be some important, symbolic changes to our current relationship, but to all intents and purposes things will stay pretty much as they are - except will have less say in how the rules are made.
I've always thought - and said here - that the standard pattern for EU talks is delay followed by crisis followed by a fudged deal, and it's going exactly like that. The initial position next year will as you say be pretty much "as you were". I think, though, that the long-term evolution is less clear. It might turn out like Norway, pretty much an orbiting satellite of the EU with a few exceptions. The logic of that is rejoining eventually, perhaps in 10-20 years.
Or a future British Government might decide to strike out to become something significantly different. Some Leavers are really impatient for that, others see it as a natural process that will happen when the general environment has stabilised, and some are happy to settle for formal freedom without actually exercising it. I think we'll all be still arguing about the relationship for another decade.
Certainly looks like that, although I hope our rejoin will be nearer to 10 years away than 20. I suspect we’ll very soon get tired of being told that the ‘these are the rules’ and want to play a part again in determining them.
For all he is a magnificent batsman, the fact Kane Williamson has outscored the entire England team without looking in the slightest trouble tells you all you need to know about how bad their batting was.
In fairness he isn't facing Trent Boult or Tim Southee. Once again our mid paced attack seems to lack penetration.
I think the fall in knife crime was caused more by 'stop and search' than anything else.
IIRC the argument that increased probability of detection was a better deterrent than savage punishment for the odd one who is caught was acknowledged to be a pretty compelling argument in 1822 when Sir Robert Peel suggested the idea of a police force.
Indeed. It’s clear that in the last couple of months the rhetoric of punishment from the EU side - every word of it eargerly lapped up by certain sections of the British media - has calmed down a lot.
Some of the adults in the EU and the member states probably started to realise that such language made no deal much more likely, and that a good post-Brexit relationship with the UK was more important than either punishing us for leaving or trying to get us to change our minds.
I’ve cerainly changed my own mind, from thinking we should walk away a few months ago during the media onslaught of negativity, to being happy with what’s actually coming out of the negotiations. Fingers crossed that the pragmatic attitude of the adults will prevail in the end.
It’s increasingly clear we will be leaving in name only. There will be some important, symbolic changes to our current relationship, but to all intents and purposes things will stay pretty much as they are - except will have less say in how the rules are made.
I've always thought - and said here - that the standard pattern for EU talks is delay followed by crisis followed by a fudged deal, and it's going exactly like that. The initial position next year will as you say be pretty much "as you were". I think, though, that the long-term evolution is less clear. It might turn out like Norway, pretty much an orbiting satellite of the EU with a few exceptions. The logic of that is rejoining eventually, perhaps in 10-20 years.
Or a future British Government might decide to strike out to become something significantly different. Some Leavers are really impatient for that, others see it as a natural process that will happen when the general environment has stabilised, and some are happy to settle for formal freedom without actually exercising it. I think we'll all be still arguing about the relationship for another decade.
Not a bad summary.
The civil service will undoubtedly be wanting to play the long game as outlined in your first paragraph. Most Brexiters will want to see some quick wins and meaningful divergence over time.
Imagine for one moment that a tory was in charge.......
If we had a tough on crime, pro stop and search, '3 strikes and you're out' Tory Mayor like Rudy Giuliani was in NYC something might be done about it!
But that would be racist....
Well the US criminal justice system is famously so, with working class black americans getting long sentences for possession while white middle class kids getting rehab.
Of all the Criminal Justice systems in the democratic world to choose from, the USA is possibly the worst for outcomes and also most expensive. Notably also not very good at deterring crime either.
Since Giuliani became Mayor the murder rate in NYC has plummeted from 2000 a year in 1990 to 335 a year. London with a similar population of 8 million is now a more dangerous city than NYC with 6 times more burglaries and 3 times more rapes and a murder rate difference which has narrowed dramatically https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/20/london-now-dangerous-new-york-crime-stats-suggest/.
In the 1970s and 1980s by contrast NYC was undoubtedly the crime capital of the western world.
A bunch of eloquent xenophobes convinced a wafer-think majority of the country to vote for it while the mother of all rainstorms was falling on London, and they won – just!
No-one had the first fucking idea what they wanted from it. The prime minister was clueless, and resigned. Theresa May arrived and hated on Europe, before granting its every wish.
David Davis began as a testosterone-fuelled eurosceptic, ended as the junior partner in a bromance with Michael Barnier. The French made a crust on making blue passports, while no-one laid a single brick building customs controls.
Did anyone really think it was worth it?
We laughed. We cried. Them were the days.
We ended free movement though after the transition and restored the sovereignty of Parliament
...We will end up conceding something that is slightly different from FM but essentially much the same
Australia is going to concede FM??
LOL. PB's expat Brexiters still lecturing "we" this and "we" that about things that are absolutely none of their business while sitting in their sad bedrooms on the other side of the world. How very Tea With Mussolini. Though I'm actually very happy that the wankers don't live here any more.
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Come on Jimmy. It's in your hands now.
I reckon we're going for the record multiple between first and second innings.
Time to declare.
58 All Out.
Wakes up a little more and checks again. Oh crap!
And we only got rescued by Overton at number nine, with more than half the team’s runs - when did a #9 last do that? Ninth wicket down with the score on only 27, could have been a whole lot worse too.
Betfair isn’t so optimistic, you can get 20/1 on England winning.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/cricket/event/28632424/multi-market?marketIds=1.141322856&marketIds=1.141322857
An in CA for s couple of days in April - fancy a drink?
We shall see what comes out of the negotiations, there was good progress made earlier in the week, especially with regard to both sides acting in good faith - that language should prevent the EU from lining up a vote on a financial transactions tax on 30th March next year, or seeking to impose new rules on the UK domestic market after the transition period.
If William Glenn, TSE, LovinPutin1983 and archer101au hate it, then it's probably good for Britain.
Some of the adults in the EU and the member states probably started to realise that such language made no deal much more likely, and that a good post-Brexit relationship with the UK was more important than either punishing us for leaving or trying to get us to change our minds.
I’ve cerainly changed my own mind, from thinking we should walk away a few months ago during the media onslaught of negativity, to being happy with what’s actually coming out of the negotiations. Fingers crossed that the pragmatic attitude of the adults will prevail in the end.
Sadly, the internet is full of people work loud voice, and little accrual knowledge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6DOhioBfyY
But but but the naughty people told us they had got rid of the data.
He cares about his company’s share price a lot more than he cares about protecting user data.
(You don’t actually believe that most CEOs *actually* care about the soft stuff they say, I hope?)
They can't bat, they can't bowl and they can't field.
They are particularly bad at the first.
Too many are found lacking at such times. Worse, too many just move onto other companies when they leave. The revolving-door for failure should be shut.
Currently trading at 20-30x earnings, depending on whether you prefer to use net income or EBITDA income. https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/fb/financials
Oh, wait...
Although of course that way England would lose the only two good spinners they possess right now...
Or a future British Government might decide to strike out to become something significantly different. Some Leavers are really impatient for that, others see it as a natural process that will happen when the general environment has stabilised, and some are happy to settle for formal freedom without actually exercising it. I think we'll all be still arguing about the relationship for another decade.
I'm expecting their venture into retail to end up with an Amazon and WalMart duopoly in the US market a decade or so from now.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/976512144777908226/photo/1
Police stop and search rates in Scotland four times higher than in England
Watchdogs raise concerns about use of common law powers against young people, with under-14s stopped 26,000 times
and
How Scotland reduced knife deaths among young people
Treating knife crime as a health issue has led to a dramatic drop in stabbings: of the 35 deaths of young people in Britain this year, none were in Scotland
I think the fall in knife crime was caused more by 'stop and search' than anything else.
But, I’m not going to be crying into my pillow about it.
The civil service will undoubtedly be wanting to play the long game as outlined in your first paragraph. Most Brexiters will want to see some quick wins and meaningful divergence over time.