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Tonight’s sees a new polling question from TNS BMRB which lists a series of possible priorities and asks respondents to select up to three of them. The outcome is seen in the chart above.
Talk of elections over the North Sea on the last thread reminds me of one of PB's absent friends - "Jan from Norway" - A much missed contributor from the betting wing of the site.
People find things which seem to directly affect their lives more important priorities than vague international issues. In other news, bears defecate in wooded areas.
Reduce the National debt (well we have to get rid of the deficit first) allied with Investing more with healthcare. Investing more in social care for the elderly (despite pensions being one of the largest expenses incurred)
As well as We want stricter border controls - but aren't bothered about renegotiating our position in Europe so we can get them?
A lot of this is like the road song of the bander log - just by wishing we can make it so.
The right are sweeping the board! Australia.....Tick Norway......Tick (+ bonus Norkip party in government, yeah!!!) Germany.....Tick (To be confirmed.)
Eds mates are really doing the business eh?
He can always count on North Korea for inspiration of course. (And France of course...LOL!)
Unfortunately Sweden will probably swing back to the Social Democrats next year. Mind you the centre left and centre right are two sides of the same coin over here now, so nothing to be worried about. (It's balanced budgets all round.)
The right are sweeping the board! Australia.....Tick Norway......Tick (+ bonus Norkip party in government, yeah!!!) Germany.....Tick (To be confirmed.)
Eds mates are really doing the business eh?
He can always count on North Korea for inspiration of course. (And France of course...LOL!)
Unfortunately Sweden will probably swing back to the Social Democrats next year. Mind you the centre left and centre right are two sides of the same coin over here now, so nothing to be worried about. (It's balanced budgets all round.)
"Six key variables explain three-quarters of the variation in annual national average scores over time and among countries. These six factors include: real GDP per capita, healthy life expectancy, having someone to count on, perceived freedom to make life choices, freedom from corruption, and generosity"
Religion is nowhere to be seen. Cue Sean T melt down?
The right are sweeping the board! Australia.....Tick Norway......Tick (+ bonus Norkip party in government, yeah!!!) Germany.....Tick (To be confirmed.)
Eds mates are really doing the business eh?
He can always count on North Korea for inspiration of course. (And France of course...LOL!)
Unfortunately Sweden will probably swing back to the Social Democrats next year. Mind you the centre left and centre right are two sides of the same coin over here now, so nothing to be worried about. (It's balanced budgets all round.)
Centre-left led Governments remaining: France, Denmark, Italy, USA. *revised minus Norway from Saturday #leftwithoutafuture
USA centre left ?????? Stretching the definition there a bit I think. There might be a few Democrats who we'd class as Liberal, but I'd say overall slightly right of centre by our standards. As for most Republicans, they don't even fit on our political scale....
The Danish government has turned to the Conservative opposition for support now, their friends on the left have well and truly deserted them. The most extreme commie party in parliament actually disbanded itself this weekend as they realised they were so crap. There will probably be an early election at which the Socialists face a thrashing. Another Kinnock to bite the dust.
Bob Crow fronted a 'NO 2 EU' party back in 2009. They got 150,000 votes in the EU parliament elections, then disappeared. I think this is just about trying to split the anti-EU vote.
The right are sweeping the board! Australia.....Tick Norway......Tick (+ bonus Norkip party in government, yeah!!!) Germany.....Tick (To be confirmed.)
Eds mates are really doing the business eh?
He can always count on North Korea for inspiration of course. (And France of course...LOL!)
Unfortunately Sweden will probably swing back to the Social Democrats next year. Mind you the centre left and centre right are two sides of the same coin over here now, so nothing to be worried about. (It's balanced budgets all round.)
Cameron and Abott may have a view of women and a xenophobic Australian advisor in common but on climate change, increased govt spending, increased welfare spending and free movement of labour they are poles apart.
So, what's your latest spin? Cameron isn't actually on the centre right/he's a socialist at heart? Laying the groundwork for Ed to swing in from the right and bring back workhouses for the poor?
It seems that EU-stuff beats adding hundreds of pounds to energy bills through greenist policies, introducing PR, an elected Lords and abolishing tuition fees.
Also, stricter border controls (38) is not unrelated to the EU and potential exit/renegotiation.
Oslo data now coming in. Greens now looking as though they'll get a seat and the ultra-left won't. Oslo has swung more than elsewhere - right now ahead 98-70. Generally agreeable atmosphere on Norwegian TV among winners and losers alike - not much gloating, and wry smiles from the losers. "I'm not sure we wanted quite such a thrilling evening", says the far-left leader, as the party hovers between 4% (which would get them 4 seats) and 3.9% (which would bring them down to 1).
On topic, interesting how low crime is too - perhaps people are finally accepting that Britain isn't as crime-ridden as it used to be. Conversely, they feel there's more to be done on unemployment, which has been a bit of a sleeper issue for some years.
A Swedish minister once described Norway as the last Soviet state.
I'm heading to Oslo tomorrow morning. My other half has insisted (at about 95 decibels for about 6 hours) that I am not to take any electronic devices with me, not to answer any phone calls and to rest properly for the rest of the week, so I shall be back on Monday.
You therefore have advance warning that UKIP will take the lead in a YouGov poll, Nick Clegg will resign from Government on a point of principle and Alex Salmond, David Davis and Ed Balls will found a new political party in the next six days.
The predicted number of seats for the centre-right coalition in Norway is creeping slowly upwards, now at 98 out of 169.
One of the big issues in Norway has been the state of their health service. (Which of course makes the NHS seem positively third world in comparison). The Labour party are blamed for not spending enough on healthcare, whilst the incoming Conservatives are promising increased spending on it. In fact, they are promising increased public spending in many areas. I guess when you have upwards of 750 BILLION quid squirrilled away and a population of 4.5 million you can afford to live a little. Some Norwegian study actually stated that if everyone in the entire country went on full welfare, they'd run out of cash in about 80 years.
A Swedish minister once described Norway as the last Soviet state.
I'm heading to Oslo tomorrow morning. My other half has insisted (at about 95 decibels for about 6 hours) that I am not to take any electronic devices with me, not to answer any phone calls and to rest properly for the rest of the week, so I shall be back on Monday.
You therefore have advance warning that UKIP will take the lead in a YouGov poll, Nick Clegg will resign from Government on a point of principle and Alex Salmond, David Davis and Ed Balls will found a new political party in the next six days.
Enjoy your time in Oslo. You will notice a distinct lack of beggars on the streets, (I didn't see any when I was there in May). I remember you posting how surprised you were when you came here to Stockholm at how many beggars there were. Just to clear it up for you, Sweden isn't third world, there are just no laws banning begging here and you neglected to mention in your post that they were all Roma from Eastern Europe. In Norway the Labour government booted most of them out of the country. Just so you know.
Last night I posted that there was a sniff of some kind of plan being cooked up to avoid a US-led strike but that I wasn't sure who was driving it. One trigger that something was going on was Assad himself who sought to disassociate himself from the chemical weapons attack, that he didn't deny by the way actually occurred.
Today, there is the apparently sudden request by Moscow that Assad get rid of his special weapons. The choreography was fairly clear. Certainly Kerry had been on the phone to the Russians, suggests that Assad could avoid a strike by accountably dumping his special weapons. Russia goes public (Assad's reps were told not long earlier that the hare was definitely running).
It looks as if the US may well already have discussed this idea with Russia certainly in the last 24 hours if not longer. The Russian position is interesting. It could be suggested that this was a ruse, a delay tactic or a short circuit move but the message conveyed to Assad and his representatives by Moscow was in language that was fairly blunt. Taken on face value Assad mightn't have much room to play.
Question is, what is the deal? Is it just give up weapons for no strike or are there other linked elements? For the US, its a handy tool whether their initiative or Anmerican. Assad says no it strengthens the case for a strike.
The idea is a variation on a old theme put to Putin by the Americans some time back (over a year ago) about letting the Russians lead such a mission (potentially under UN mandate) to clear up the chemical weapons and ship them out. The Russians said no but did encourage Assad to consolidate & secure his stocks. Recently the Russians were also party to talks with the Iranians suggesting Assad spirit his special weapons out to another country.
"Six key variables explain three-quarters of the variation in annual national average scores over time and among countries. These six factors include: real GDP per capita, healthy life expectancy, having someone to count on, perceived freedom to make life choices, freedom from corruption, and generosity"
Religion is nowhere to be seen. Cue Sean T melt down?
"As can be seen just 19% of the sample placed renegotiating with the EU in their top three.
The poll, meanwhile, has 43% saying they’d vote EXIT in an EU referendum with 39% saying STAY. "
Cammie's promised cast-iron EU referendum might be amusing but it is far from the main kipper focus these days as issue number 3 shows.
Happily, even though the superb comedy stylings of Robert Kilroy-Silk are sadly all but absent now, it would appear that there may be new opportunities for ensuing kipper hilarity.
Mr. T, assuming that link is correct I believe it marks a backward step from about a thousand years ago. If memory serves, when Islam was spreading through Turkey/Syria and so forth they offered Christian settlements the choice of death, conversion or tribute.
Assad's a monster, but at least parts of those opposing him seem to be even worse.
The right are sweeping the board! Australia.....Tick Norway......Tick (+ bonus Norkip party in government, yeah!!!) Germany.....Tick (To be confirmed.)
Eds mates are really doing the business eh?
He can always count on North Korea for inspiration of course. (And France of course...LOL!)
Unfortunately Sweden will probably swing back to the Social Democrats next year. Mind you the centre left and centre right are two sides of the same coin over here now, so nothing to be worried about. (It's balanced budgets all round.)
Cameron and Abott may have a view of women and a xenophobic Australian advisor in common but on climate change, increased govt spending, increased welfare spending and free movement of labour they are poles apart.
So, what's your latest spin? Cameron isn't actually on the centre right/he's a socialist at heart? Laying the groundwork for Ed to swing in from the right and bring back workhouses for the poor?
A Swedish minister once described Norway as the last Soviet state.
I'm heading to Oslo tomorrow morning. My other half has insisted (at about 95 decibels for about 6 hours) that I am not to take any electronic devices with me, not to answer any phone calls and to rest properly for the rest of the week, so I shall be back on Monday.
You therefore have advance warning that UKIP will take the lead in a YouGov poll, Nick Clegg will resign from Government on a point of principle and Alex Salmond, David Davis and Ed Balls will found a new political party in the next six days.
Enjoy your time in Oslo. You will notice a distinct lack of beggars on the streets, (I didn't see any when I was there in May). I remember you posting how surprised you were when you came here to Stockholm at how many beggars there were. Just to clear it up for you, Sweden isn't third world, there are just no laws banning begging here and you neglected to mention in your post that they were all Roma from Eastern Europe. In Norway the Labour government booted most of them out of the country. Just so you know.
My parents spent the Bank Holiday Weekend and a few days following in Oslo and said they were quite impressed with how polite people were over there.
Well done for mentioning the US's lavish and inhuman use of Agent Orange . They also used Agent Blue and Agent White in the Vietnam War. Kerry knows this.
Mr. Pork, cheers, I didn't realise this was actually making the news generally (it seems that attacks on Christians and priest-decapitations got much less airtime than it warranted in the past). That'll be, as you suggest, potentially problematic for Obama.
Before the war really got going Sky interviewed a Christian cleric who expressed a fear that if Assad was toppled then religious freedom and relative safety for Christians in Syria would be violently curtailed.
I have no idea which seat in the United Kingdom has Labour with the highest number of votes, but I predict that by the election in 2015 Tim will have numbered more posts on here than Labour get votes in that seat. So very tragic.
If only the Labour party spent his salary on election leaflets/newspaper advertisements/voodoo rituals to gain votes in a marginal, just think how more productive it would be.
Mr. T, I've got to say that you're rather using a broad brush for atheists, there. This atheist hopes he's got a pretty good grasp of the power of religion.
Before the war really got going Sky interviewed a Christian cleric who expressed a fear that if Assad was toppled then religious freedom and relative safety for Christians in Syria would be violently curtailed.
Indeed. Given that this is primarily about Saudi Arabia and Iran using Syria as a proxy it's baffling why Syria's allies and the west don't just hand the entire situation over to them and tell them to start negotiating or fight the war themselves.
A Swedish minister once described Norway as the last Soviet state.
I'm heading to Oslo tomorrow morning. My other half has insisted (at about 95 decibels for about 6 hours) that I am not to take any electronic devices with me, not to answer any phone calls and to rest properly for the rest of the week, so I shall be back on Monday.
You therefore have advance warning that UKIP will take the lead in a YouGov poll, Nick Clegg will resign from Government on a point of principle and Alex Salmond, David Davis and Ed Balls will found a new political party in the next six days.
Enjoy your time in Oslo. You will notice a distinct lack of beggars on the streets, (I didn't see any when I was there in May). I remember you posting how surprised you were when you came here to Stockholm at how many beggars there were. Just to clear it up for you, Sweden isn't third world, there are just no laws banning begging here and you neglected to mention in your post that they were all Roma from Eastern Europe. In Norway the Labour government booted most of them out of the country. Just so you know.
My parents spent the Bank Holiday Weekend and a few days following in Oslo and said they were quite impressed with how polite people were over there.
Norwegians are generally extremely friendly people. Also big fans of all things Brit! TV shows/pubs/the language etc etc......probably they still love us from the war! Don't forget they give us a Christmas tree each year.
Here in Sweden it's all Yank yank yank love in. Bloody sad really. Out in the woods, (of which there is a bloody lot), you just find loads of knackered old 50's/60's style American cars full of James Dean/Elvis worshippers.
A Swedish minister once described Norway as the last Soviet state.
I'm heading to Oslo tomorrow morning. My other half has insisted (at about 95 decibels for about 6 hours) that I am not to take any electronic devices with me, not to answer any phone calls and to rest properly for the rest of the week, so I shall be back on Monday.
You therefore have advance warning that UKIP will take the lead in a YouGov poll, Nick Clegg will resign from Government on a point of principle and Alex Salmond, David Davis and Ed Balls will found a new political party in the next six days.
Enjoy your time in Oslo. You will notice a distinct lack of beggars on the streets, (I didn't see any when I was there in May). I remember you posting how surprised you were when you came here to Stockholm at how many beggars there were. Just to clear it up for you, Sweden isn't third world, there are just no laws banning begging here and you neglected to mention in your post that they were all Roma from Eastern Europe. In Norway the Labour government booted most of them out of the country. Just so you know.
My parents spent the Bank Holiday Weekend and a few days following in Oslo and said they were quite impressed with how polite people were over there.
Your parents must, then, be incredibly rich.
The one thing everyone normal notices about Norway is how F*cking Expensive it is.
I went there to do a journalism gig with a film crew and we spent £60 on burgers and chips for 4 people.
It is comically expensive. In the end you just have to laugh at the prices. And the speed limits. Sooo sloooow.
I have no idea which seat in the United Kingdom has Labour with the highest number of votes, but I predict that by the election in 2015 Tim will have numbered more posts on here than Labour get votes in that seat. So very tragic.
If only the Labour party spent his salary on election leaflets/newspaper advertisements/voodoo rituals to gain votes in a marginal, just think how more productive it would be.
I'm aiming at crossover with the Tory membership total in early 2015
Mr. T, assuming that link is correct I believe it marks a backward step from about a thousand years ago. If memory serves, when Islam was spreading through Turkey/Syria and so forth they offered Christian settlements the choice of death, conversion or tribute.
Assad's a monster, but at least parts of those opposing him seem to be even worse.
I was skeptical when the first videos and tweets started coming, reporting Syrian rebels beheading Christians etc
But now there is a significant weight of evidence, which seems undeniable. The rebel forces are syphilitic with violent Islamism, and I use that metaphor advisedly. There is absolutely no guarantee that if we topple Assad something worse will not replace him, indeed, something worse probably WILL replace him.
It is tragic. I have travelled widely in Syria. It used to be - under the Assad regime (I kid you not) - one of the more benign places in the Middle East, in terms of religious tolerance. And the people were unbelievably hospitable.
The problem for the faded, etiolated bourgeois westerners who run our governments and NGOs is that, being atheists, they do not understand the great virulence and power of religious beliefs, even (especially) in extreme forms like Islamism. They seriously think that if you expose people to enough David Attenborough and a lot of afternoon Radio 4 they will renounce their religions and become sensible democratic European non-believers like the Danes.
This is, to put it mildly, not the case.
Yeah, and with the reports today that renegade units allied to the Assad Government might have been responsible for using chemical weapons (after Assad himself repeatedly refused to authorise such requests), it does make you start to wonder.
If we really want peace, stability, and to prevent chemical weapons use, might the best course of action be to support and assist Assad and his Government?
But when the history books are written, I am absolutely confident that our relationship with Europe will be seen as the number one topic. Reform of the Health Service, Education all that stuff will be seen as administrative issues. The EU will be seen as the big thread through the last 50 years around which politics and economics revolve.
You can imagine the textbooks and exam questions. I struggle to think of anything (except our inability to work out our military role) which comes anywhere near it in significance.
Just because Joe Soap doesn't care about the issue doesn't make it an insignificant issue.
What sets Europe apart as an issue is that it is "Big". It involves big ideas that we can all understand. Most of politics now is little - and can only be comprehended by the specialist political class. Europe we can all take part in a debate on it.
A Swedish minister once described Norway as the last Soviet state.
I'm heading to Oslo tomorrow morning. My other half has insisted (at about 95 decibels for about 6 hours) that I am not to take any electronic devices with me, not to answer any phone calls and to rest properly for the rest of the week, so I shall be back on Monday.
You therefore have advance warning that UKIP will take the lead in a YouGov poll, Nick Clegg will resign from Government on a point of principle and Alex Salmond, David Davis and Ed Balls will found a new political party in the next six days.
Enjoy your time in Oslo. You will notice a distinct lack of beggars on the streets, (I didn't see any when I was there in May). I remember you posting how surprised you were when you came here to Stockholm at how many beggars there were. Just to clear it up for you, Sweden isn't third world, there are just no laws banning begging here and you neglected to mention in your post that they were all Roma from Eastern Europe. In Norway the Labour government booted most of them out of the country. Just so you know.
My parents spent the Bank Holiday Weekend and a few days following in Oslo and said they were quite impressed with how polite people were over there.
Your parents must, then, be incredibly rich.
The one thing everyone normal notices about Norway is how F*cking Expensive it is.
I went there to do a journalism gig with a film crew and we spent £60 on burgers and chips for 4 people.
Hehe, not as rich as I'd like them to be!
Mum read about the high prices and improvised by taking a bag-full of rolls and snacks with her
She reckons there are so few fat - sorry, obese - people in Norway precisely because food isn't cheap.
A Swedish minister once described Norway as the last Soviet state.
I'm heading to Oslo tomorrow morning. My other half has insisted (at about 95 decibels for about 6 hours) that I am not to take any electronic devices with me, not to answer any phone calls and to rest properly for the rest of the week, so I shall be back on Monday.
You therefore have advance warning that UKIP will take the lead in a YouGov poll, Nick Clegg will resign from Government on a point of principle and Alex Salmond, David Davis and Ed Balls will found a new political party in the next six days.
Enjoy your break. I just did a week in Vilamoura with no phone and no internet connection. Very liberating. But my 9 month old daughter got up a 5am, on the button, every single morning. So it was hard to kick back and relax.
I did manage to read Jonathan Harr's A Civil Action though. What a great, great read. As the eminent lawyer here I'm sure you've read it (it's about twenty years old now), but if you haven't, please do. Enjoy!
A Swedish minister once described Norway as the last Soviet state.
I'm heading to Oslo tomorrow morning. My other half has insisted (at about 95 decibels for about 6 hours) that I am not to take any electronic devices with me, not to answer any phone calls and to rest properly for the rest of the week, so I shall be back on Monday.
You therefore have advance warning that UKIP will take the lead in a YouGov poll, Nick Clegg will resign from Government on a point of principle and Alex Salmond, David Davis and Ed Balls will found a new political party in the next six days.
Enjoy your time in Oslo. You will notice a distinct lack of beggars on the streets, (I didn't see any when I was there in May). I remember you posting how surprised you were when you came here to Stockholm at how many beggars there were. Just to clear it up for you, Sweden isn't third world, there are just no laws banning begging here and you neglected to mention in your post that they were all Roma from Eastern Europe. In Norway the Labour government booted most of them out of the country. Just so you know.
My parents spent the Bank Holiday Weekend and a few days following in Oslo and said they were quite impressed with how polite people were over there.
Your parents must, then, be incredibly rich.
The one thing everyone normal notices about Norway is how F*cking Expensive it is.
I went there to do a journalism gig with a film crew and we spent £60 on burgers and chips for 4 people.
It is comically expensive. In the end you just have to laugh at the prices. And the speed limits. Sooo sloooow.
Peppes pizza, the, (admittedly wonderful), Norwegian pizza chain-think a nicer version of Pizza hut, does a good family size Hawaii for about 28 quid! Bargain, or maybe not.
I don't accept that, Mr. T. I don't believe (ahem) that my mind lacks the ability to comprehend what a religious person thinks.
Although confident in my atheism, I have seriously considered religion (particularly Buddhism) and did look at how such would change my life, in terms of everday behaviour and a general attitude, as well as the impact on my view of life and death.
I have no idea which seat in the United Kingdom has Labour with the highest number of votes, but I predict that by the election in 2015 Tim will have numbered more posts on here than Labour get votes in that seat. So very tragic.
If only the Labour party spent his salary on election leaflets/newspaper advertisements/voodoo rituals to gain votes in a marginal, just think how more productive it would be.
I'm aiming at crossover with the Tory membership total in early 2015
I'm nearly up to Labour's seat count in 2015.
I'll buy Labour seats for £50 each at 120
I said nearly. I'll let you know when I get there. Although it's an easier target to hit with every poll published.
BTW, the editorial team at The Sunil on Sunday, while not approving of your Atheists blog, were impressed by and heartly agree with your "Agent Orange" piece!
Mr. T, assuming that link is correct I believe it marks a backward step from about a thousand years ago. If memory serves, when Islam was spreading through Turkey/Syria and so forth they offered Christian settlements the choice of death, conversion or tribute.
Assad's a monster, but at least parts of those opposing him seem to be even worse.
I was skeptical when the first videos and tweets started coming, reporting Syrian rebels beheading Christians etc
But now there is a significant weight of evidence, which seems undeniable. The rebel forces are syphilitic with violent Islamism, and I use that metaphor advisedly. There is absolutely no guarantee that if we topple Assad something worse will not replace him, indeed, something worse probably WILL replace him.
It is tragic. I have travelled widely in Syria. It used to be - under the Assad regime (I kid you not) - one of the more benign places in the Middle East, in terms of religious tolerance. And the people were unbelievably hospitable.
The problem for the faded, etiolated bourgeois westerners who run our governments and NGOs is that, being atheists, they do not understand the great virulence and power of religious beliefs, even (especially) in extreme forms like Islamism. They seriously think that if you expose people to enough David Attenborough and a lot of afternoon Radio 4 they will renounce their religions and become sensible democratic European non-believers like the Danes.
This is, to put it mildly, not the case.
Yeah, and with the reports today that renegade units allied to the Assad Government might have been responsible for using chemical weapons (after Assad himself repeatedly refused to authorise such requests), it does make you start to wonder.
If we really want peace, stability, and to prevent chemical weapons use, might the best course of action be to support and assist Assad and his Government?
If renegade units were involved, Assad could have killed several birds with one stone, stuck those responsible on trial and had them executed. At the very least, in doing nothing in that respect, he is covering for them.
Mr. Herdson, if one of those leading (or the single leader) the unit(s) involved was Assad's brother it'd be tricky to do something about that without causing or worsening internal splits and weakening his own cause.
Interesting that the Conservatives and Progress Party are forecast to have a majority of seats without the Christian and Liberal Parties.
Will the four party coalition hold together despite this?
I think a lot of Norwegians want it to be a coalition including all 4 parties. Progress are really pushing for large cuts in non Euro immigration, including a cut for asylum numbers to near zero. The two more liberal smaller parties want to counter balance that. I think they will try and go for the two party option now though. Maybe plus Venstre if need be?
If renegade units were involved, Assad could have killed several birds with one stone, stuck those responsible on trial and had them executed. At the very least, in doing nothing in that respect, he is covering for them.
Maybe he has done, for all we know. To do so publicly, he'd have to admit that he couldn't control "his" forces, as well as admitting that "his" forces used chemical weapons.
If renegade units were involved, Assad could have killed several birds with one stone, stuck those responsible on trial and had them executed. At the very least, in doing nothing in that respect, he is covering for them.
Maybe he has done, for all we know. To do so publicly, he'd have to admit that he couldn't control "his" forces, as well as admitting that "his" forces used chemical weapons.
He hasn't yet. Other officials voted with their feet and sought to get out of the country.
Interesting that the Conservatives and Progress Party are forecast to have a majority of seats without the Christian and Liberal Parties.
Will the four party coalition hold together despite this?
I think a lot of Norwegians want it to be a coalition including all 4 parties. Progress are really pushing for large cuts in non Euro immigration, including a cut for asylum numbers to near zero. The two more liberal smaller parties want to counter balance that. I think they will try and go for the two party option now though. Maybe plus Venstre if need be?
Sorry, I messed up. I thought 80 seats was a majority — it's actually 85. So the two biggest centre-right parties don't quite have a majority on their own. Three out of four would do though.
A Swedish minister once described Norway as the last Soviet state.
My parents spent the Bank Holiday Weekend and a few days following in Oslo and said they were quite impressed with how polite people were over there.
Norwegians are generally extremely friendly people. Also big fans of all things Brit! TV shows/pubs/the language etc etc......probably they still love us from the war! Don't forget they give us a Christmas tree each year.
Here in Sweden it's all Yank yank yank love in. Bloody sad really. Out in the woods, (of which there is a bloody lot), you just find loads of knackered old 50's/60's style American cars full of James Dean/Elvis worshippers.
I note that on the UN happiness index cited by TimT below, the usual Nordic suspects come in as the most "happy"; Norway, Sweden, Holland, Switzerland, etc
Just goes to show what total bollocks these surveys are, and how twisted they are by the precepts of the Eurocentric surveyers (equality is good, welfare states are good, etc).
The one thing that strikes me about the citizens of Sweden, Norway and Denmark &c is how bored they all look - that, and overtaxed. They are prosperous and unafraid, but they certainly are not *happy*.
The happiest people I have met in all my travels this last decade have been rural southern Chinese. They are poor, but they confidently expect to get rich soon. That = human happiness.
All Scandinavians are happy! In a simpleton kind of way.....
We Brits demand a higher standard of intellectual stimulation to raise a smile. For example, in Stockholm I am at peak happiness in the middle of February if the temperature rises above minus 15 and my bus arrives on time.
A Swedish minister once described Norway as the last Soviet state.
My parents spent the Bank Holiday Weekend and a few days following in Oslo and said they were quite impressed with how polite people were over there.
Norwegians are generally extremely friendly people. Also big fans of all things Brit! TV shows/pubs/the language etc etc......probably they still love us from the war! Don't forget they give us a Christmas tree each year.
Here in Sweden it's all Yank yank yank love in. Bloody sad really. Out in the woods, (of which there is a bloody lot), you just find loads of knackered old 50's/60's style American cars full of James Dean/Elvis worshippers.
I note that on the UN happiness index cited by TimT below, the usual Nordic suspects come in as the most "happy"; Norway, Sweden, Holland, Switzerland, etc
Just goes to show what total bollocks these surveys are, and how twisted they are by the precepts of the Eurocentric surveyers (equality is good, welfare states are good, etc).
The one thing that strikes me about the citizens of Sweden, Norway and Denmark &c is how bored they all look - that, and overtaxed. They are prosperous and unafraid, but they certainly are not *happy*.
The happiest people I have met in all my travels this last decade have been rural southern Chinese. They are poor, but they confidently expect to get rich soon. That = human happiness.
There are signs that Mr Miliband is wobbling. The big beasts — Alistair Darling and David Blunkett — are lining up to demand more conviction and credibility from their leader. Behind the scenes, there is a growing sense of despair on the Labour benches in the House of Commons. “He’s lost control of the party,” says one senior MP. “It’s awful. People just don’t respect him or think he’s a winner. He showed absolute steel and determination in taking on his brother but he’s lost that. We’re going back to where we were in the gloom of the Eighties.” Another warns: “There’s no strategy. The union reforms should have been done in the first six months of his leadership, when he had authority, not 18 months before an election.”
@MichaelLCrick: Analysis by YouGov for C4 News suggests almost 1m affiliated TU members of the Labour Party wouldn't vote Labour http://t.co/G9iMG7b719
There are signs that Mr Miliband is wobbling. The big beasts — Alistair Darling and David Blunkett — are lining up to demand more conviction and credibility from their leader. Behind the scenes, there is a growing sense of despair on the Labour benches in the House of Commons. “He’s lost control of the party,” says one senior MP. “It’s awful. People just don’t respect him or think he’s a winner. He showed absolute steel and determination in taking on his brother but he’s lost that. We’re going back to where we were in the gloom of the Eighties.” Another warns: “There’s no strategy. The union reforms should have been done in the first six months of his leadership, when he had authority, not 18 months before an election.”
Mr. Herdson, if one of those leading (or the single leader) the unit(s) involved was Assad's brother it'd be tricky to do something about that without causing or worsening internal splits and weakening his own cause.
If that is so and he doesn't do something about it, he may as well hand over the keys to the presidential palace to his brother now.
If renegade units were involved, Assad could have killed several birds with one stone, stuck those responsible on trial and had them executed. At the very least, in doing nothing in that respect, he is covering for them.
Maybe he has done, for all we know. To do so publicly, he'd have to admit that he couldn't control "his" forces, as well as admitting that "his" forces used chemical weapons.
To an extent, yes, but it would also clearly distance himself from that action, provide a scape goat, re-establish his authority and put himself back in the diplomatic game.
FWIW, I very much doubt Assad was unaware of the CW attack before it took place. I also doubt there'll be any minutes of a meeting where he authorised it.
Ed Milliband does have the whiff of a dead man walking. It really is difficult to see him uniting the Labour movement behind him for the campaign, indeed some seem to be keener on jockying for position for the contest after he loses.
I quite like Ed, and think that he would be a reasonable PM, but am one of very few on here of any political shade willing to defend him.
There are signs that Mr Miliband is wobbling. The big beasts — Alistair Darling and David Blunkett — are lining up to demand more conviction and credibility from their leader. Behind the scenes, there is a growing sense of despair on the Labour benches in the House of Commons. “He’s lost control of the party,” says one senior MP. “It’s awful. People just don’t respect him or think he’s a winner. He showed absolute steel and determination in taking on his brother but he’s lost that. We’re going back to where we were in the gloom of the Eighties.” Another warns: “There’s no strategy. The union reforms should have been done in the first six months of his leadership, when he had authority, not 18 months before an election.”
A Swedish minister once described Norway as the last Soviet state.
My parents spent the Bank Holiday Weekend and a few days following in Oslo and said they were quite impressed with how polite people were over there.
Norwegians are generally extremely friendly people. Also big fans of all things Brit! TV shows/pubs/the language etc etc......probably they still love us from the war! Don't forget they give us a Christmas tree each year.
Here in Sweden it's all Yank yank yank love in. Bloody sad really. Out in the woods, (of which there is a bloody lot), you just find loads of knackered old 50's/60's style American cars full of James Dean/Elvis worshippers.
I note that on the UN happiness index cited by TimT below, the usual Nordic suspects come in as the most "happy"; Norway, Sweden, Holland, Switzerland, etc
Just goes to show what total bollocks these surveys are, and how twisted they are by the precepts of the Eurocentric surveyers (equality is good, welfare states are good, etc).
The one thing that strikes me about the citizens of Sweden, Norway and Denmark &c is how bored they all look - that, and overtaxed. They are prosperous and unafraid, but they certainly are not *happy*.
The happiest people I have met in all my travels this last decade have been rural southern Chinese. They are poor, but they confidently expect to get rich soon. That = human happiness.
All Scandinavians are happy! In a simpleton kind of way.....
We Brits demand a higher standard of intellectual stimulation to raise a smile. For example, in Stockholm I am at peak happiness in the middle of February if the temperature rises above minus 15 and my bus arrives on time.
Bus? Bus???
*resists Thatcher quote*
I'd travel by Sleigh but my Reindeer won't go out when it's that cold.
Mr. T, I've got to say that you're rather using a broad brush for atheists, there. This atheist hopes he's got a pretty good grasp of the power of religion.
With all due respect, that's entirely wrong.
I don't think an atheist CAN understand the power of religion, by definition. That is to say: an atheist does not understand the appeal of religion, because he or she is, er, not religious. You have never had the epiphany that leads to faith - if you had experienced this, you would be a believer. But you're not. So you don't.
It's like trying to explain the high of heroin, crack, or sex to someone who has not experienced any of these - only times a million, as religion answers all questions, diminishes the fear of death, and also happens to be true.
As I've posted before, I've never had that epiphany. I'm comfortable with that, as I don't need to live my life as directed by an imaginary friend/the voices in my head. I don't have to worry about trying to get into heaven/avoiding hell. I'll probably turn to god on my deathbed, just to hedge my bets. Not being religious means I can eat, drink and fornicate whatever I want. Mind you, religion doesn't seem to stop various acolytes doing that anyway!
A Swedish minister once described Norway as the last Soviet state.
I'm heading to Oslo tomorrow morning. My other half has insisted (at about 95 decibels for about 6 hours) that I am not to take any electronic devices with me, not to answer any phone calls and to rest properly for the rest of the week, so I shall be back on Monday.
You therefore have advance warning that UKIP will take the lead in a YouGov poll, Nick Clegg will resign from Government on a point of principle and Alex Salmond, David Davis and Ed Balls will found a new political party in the next six days.
AF - I went to an absolutely superlative restaurant when I was in Oslo last month. Not cheap but well worth the pain (was about £200 per head, including wine)
Statholdergaarden, Rådhusgaten 11 (entrance from Kirkegaten), Oslo
The happiest people I have met in all my travels this last decade have been rural southern Chinese. They are poor, but they confidently expect to get rich soon. That = human happiness.
That depends upon what they regard rich as being.
If its rich as in what their counterparts in the West are then they're going to be severely disappointed and then probably very angry after all the hard work and long hours they've put in during recent years.
If its rich in comparison to the pigshit lives they were living recently - Chinese living standards in 1980 are believed to have been lower than English living standards in 1700 - then they will be be 'rich'.
Whether they'll still be happy then is doubtful though.
The problem with rising achievements is that it also tends to increase your expectations as well so most people in China will end up effectively walking up a down escalator.
A Swedish minister once described Norway as the last Soviet state.
I'm heading to Oslo tomorrow morning. My other half has insisted (at about 95 decibels for about 6 hours) that I am not to take any electronic devices with me, not to answer any phone calls and to rest properly for the rest of the week, so I shall be back on Monday.
You therefore have advance warning that UKIP will take the lead in a YouGov poll, Nick Clegg will resign from Government on a point of principle and Alex Salmond, David Davis and Ed Balls will found a new political party in the next six days.
AF - I went to an absolutely superlative restaurant when I was in Oslo last month. Not cheap but well worth the pain (was about £200 per head, including wine)
Statholdergaarden, Rådhusgaten 11 (entrance from Kirkegaten), Oslo
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Stricter border controls come in the top three - directly affected by our relationship with the EU?
Will ye nae come back again ??
http://valg.nrk.no/valg2013/valgresultat
Live election programme:
http://www.nrk.no/valg2013/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-24013295
Reduce the National debt (well we have to get rid of the deficit first) allied with
Investing more with healthcare.
Investing more in social care for the elderly (despite pensions being one of the largest expenses incurred)
As well as
We want stricter border controls - but aren't bothered about renegotiating our position in Europe so we can get them?
A lot of this is like the road song of the bander log - just by wishing we can make it so.
Australia.....Tick
Norway......Tick (+ bonus Norkip party in government, yeah!!!)
Germany.....Tick (To be confirmed.)
Eds mates are really doing the business eh?
He can always count on North Korea for inspiration of course. (And France of course...LOL!)
Unfortunately Sweden will probably swing back to the Social Democrats next year. Mind you the centre left and centre right are two sides of the same coin over here now, so nothing to be worried about. (It's balanced budgets all round.)
Centre-left led Governments remaining: France, Denmark, Italy, USA. *revised minus Norway from Saturday #leftwithoutafuture
Looks like the same thing might happen in Austria on 29th September.
"Six key variables explain three-quarters of the variation in annual national average scores over time and among countries. These six factors include: real GDP per capita, healthy life expectancy, having someone to count on, perceived freedom to make life choices, freedom from corruption, and generosity"
Religion is nowhere to be seen. Cue Sean T melt down?
http://unsdsn.org/happiness/
The Danish government has turned to the Conservative opposition for support now, their friends on the left have well and truly deserted them. The most extreme commie party in parliament actually disbanded itself this weekend as they realised they were so crap.
There will probably be an early election at which the Socialists face a thrashing. Another Kinnock to bite the dust.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2009_(United_Kingdom)#Great_Britain_and_Gibraltar_.E2.80.93_overall_result
Laying the groundwork for Ed to swing in from the right and bring back workhouses for the poor?
It seems that EU-stuff beats adding hundreds of pounds to energy bills through greenist policies, introducing PR, an elected Lords and abolishing tuition fees.
Also, stricter border controls (38) is not unrelated to the EU and potential exit/renegotiation.
Socialist Left now back up to 7!
On topic, interesting how low crime is too - perhaps people are finally accepting that Britain isn't as crime-ridden as it used to be. Conversely, they feel there's more to be done on unemployment, which has been a bit of a sleeper issue for some years.
I'm heading to Oslo tomorrow morning. My other half has insisted (at about 95 decibels for about 6 hours) that I am not to take any electronic devices with me, not to answer any phone calls and to rest properly for the rest of the week, so I shall be back on Monday.
You therefore have advance warning that UKIP will take the lead in a YouGov poll, Nick Clegg will resign from Government on a point of principle and Alex Salmond, David Davis and Ed Balls will found a new political party in the next six days.
A Norwegian minister once described John Gummer as a Drittsekk.
Lab 50
Progress 29
Cons 51
Chr Dems 11
Soc Left 8
Centre 9
Liberals 9
Other 2
Last night I posted that there was a sniff of some kind of plan being cooked up to avoid a US-led strike but that I wasn't sure who was driving it. One trigger that something was going on was Assad himself who sought to disassociate himself from the chemical weapons attack, that he didn't deny by the way actually occurred.
Today, there is the apparently sudden request by Moscow that Assad get rid of his special weapons. The choreography was fairly clear. Certainly Kerry had been on the phone to the Russians, suggests that Assad could avoid a strike by accountably dumping his special weapons. Russia goes public (Assad's reps were told not long earlier that the hare was definitely running).
It looks as if the US may well already have discussed this idea with Russia certainly in the last 24 hours if not longer. The Russian position is interesting. It could be suggested that this was a ruse, a delay tactic or a short circuit move but the message conveyed to Assad and his representatives by Moscow was in language that was fairly blunt. Taken on face value Assad mightn't have much room to play.
Question is, what is the deal? Is it just give up weapons for no strike or are there other linked elements? For the US, its a handy tool whether their initiative or Anmerican. Assad says no it strengthens the case for a strike.
The idea is a variation on a old theme put to Putin by the Americans some time back (over a year ago) about letting the Russians lead such a mission (potentially under UN mandate) to clear up the chemical weapons and ship them out. The Russians said no but did encourage Assad to consolidate & secure his stocks. Recently the Russians were also party to talks with the Iranians suggesting Assad spirit his special weapons out to another country.
Interesting times.
The poll, meanwhile, has 43% saying they’d vote EXIT in an EU referendum with 39% saying STAY. "
Cammie's promised cast-iron EU referendum might be amusing but it is far from the main kipper focus these days as issue number 3 shows.
Happily, even though the superb comedy stylings of Robert Kilroy-Silk are sadly all but absent now, it would appear that there may be new opportunities for ensuing kipper hilarity.
No: 49%
Yes: 48%
(That's a latest result I think, not the final one).
Assad's a monster, but at least parts of those opposing him seem to be even worse.
Gulags for slags.
Before the war really got going Sky interviewed a Christian cleric who expressed a fear that if Assad was toppled then religious freedom and relative safety for Christians in Syria would be violently curtailed.
Right heading for 99 seats as opposed to 91 under strict PR...
If only the Labour party spent his salary on election leaflets/newspaper advertisements/voodoo rituals to gain votes in a marginal, just think how more productive it would be.
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Apparently the venue for UKIP's conference is Margate, 1962
Will the four party coalition hold together despite this?
Here in Sweden it's all Yank yank yank love in. Bloody sad really. Out in the woods, (of which there is a bloody lot), you just find loads of knackered old 50's/60's style American cars full of James Dean/Elvis worshippers.
If we really want peace, stability, and to prevent chemical weapons use, might the best course of action be to support and assist Assad and his Government?
But when the history books are written, I am absolutely confident that our relationship with Europe will be seen as the number one topic. Reform of the Health Service, Education all that stuff will be seen as administrative issues. The EU will be seen as the big thread through the last 50 years around which politics and economics revolve.
You can imagine the textbooks and exam questions. I struggle to think of anything (except our inability to work out our military role) which comes anywhere near it in significance.
Just because Joe Soap doesn't care about the issue doesn't make it an insignificant issue.
What sets Europe apart as an issue is that it is "Big". It involves big ideas that we can all understand. Most of politics now is little - and can only be comprehended by the specialist political class. Europe we can all take part in a debate on it.
Mum read about the high prices and improvised by taking a bag-full of rolls and snacks with her
She reckons there are so few fat - sorry, obese - people in Norway precisely because food isn't cheap.
I did manage to read Jonathan Harr's A Civil Action though. What a great, great read. As the eminent lawyer here I'm sure you've read it (it's about twenty years old now), but if you haven't, please do. Enjoy!
Although confident in my atheism, I have seriously considered religion (particularly Buddhism) and did look at how such would change my life, in terms of everday behaviour and a general attitude, as well as the impact on my view of life and death.
BTW, the editorial team at The Sunil on Sunday, while not approving of your Atheists blog, were impressed by and heartly agree with your "Agent Orange" piece!
Send your CV by 12th September, 5 PM
Open shortlist confirmed.
Given that list of priorities, who in their right mind would put "renegotiating our position within the EU" in their top 3?
Maybe there's a few more swivel-eyed loons out there than I thought.
Total: 1,466,879
Socialists: 57,816 = 3.94%
If renegade units were involved, Assad could have killed several birds with one stone, stuck those responsible on trial and had them executed. At the very least, in doing nothing in that respect, he is covering for them.
Maybe he has done, for all we know. To do so publicly, he'd have to admit that he couldn't control "his" forces, as well as admitting that "his" forces used chemical weapons.
£15 for burgers and chips is quite reasonable
Must mean they've won two county seats, and are eligible for 5 more "levelling seats", if they fall the right side of the 4% threshold....
"Two beers and a radio? we got us a party!"
Seriously Scott. Why do you bother with this copy and paste Tory spamming on here? Do you think you'll sway opinions with it?
Makes the Tories seem pretty f*cking stupid for always attacking the unions then doesn't it.
'Why do Norwegians take a ladder with them when they go shopping?'
Because the prices are so high.
I mean, really, wtf? Why am I here?
FWIW, I very much doubt Assad was unaware of the CW attack before it took place. I also doubt there'll be any minutes of a meeting where he authorised it.
I quite like Ed, and think that he would be a reasonable PM, but am one of very few on here of any political shade willing to defend him.
He looks like toast.
Seriously Scott. Why do you bother with this copy and paste Tory spamming on here? Do you think you'll sway opinions with it?
http://www.valgresultat.no/bs5.html
Not being religious means I can eat, drink and fornicate whatever I want. Mind you, religion doesn't seem to stop various acolytes doing that anyway!
Statholdergaarden, Rådhusgaten 11 (entrance from Kirkegaten), Oslo
http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01753/BURGER620_1753238a.jpg
If its rich as in what their counterparts in the West are then they're going to be severely disappointed and then probably very angry after all the hard work and long hours they've put in during recent years.
If its rich in comparison to the pigshit lives they were living recently - Chinese living standards in 1980 are believed to have been lower than English living standards in 1700 - then they will be be 'rich'.
Whether they'll still be happy then is doubtful though.
The problem with rising achievements is that it also tends to increase your expectations as well so most people in China will end up effectively walking up a down escalator.