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edited January 2018 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » A challenge for Henry Bolton is that he got the job with just 29.9% of the vote

So Henry Bolton has decided to ignore the vote no confidence from his executive and try to struggle on taking his case to the members.

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  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Kudos to the 85 kippers who thought asteroid mining is the nation's top priority.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Look, he might have won by a narrow margin, but you can't subvert the will of the people.

    #RespectTheResult

    #BoltonLeader4Life
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited January 2018
    UK beauty blogger Amena Khan says she's pulling out of a L'Oreal campaign.

    Her decision follows the discovery of tweets she wrote in 2014, which some have branded as "anti-Israel".

    http://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-42779188

    That makes it sound like she was tweeting something like querying Israel's policy of providing public services to illegal settlers..what she in fact said included.

    "one that described Israel as an 'illegal state' and another branding the country as a 'child murderer'."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5298365/LOreal-model-steps-anti-Israel-tweets.html

    I wonder what would constitute definitely anti-Israel?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,759
    Henry Bolton is toast. The dream is over.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,720
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    UK beauty blogger Amena Khan says she's pulling out of a L'Oreal campaign.

    Her decision follows the discovery of tweets she wrote in 2014, which some have branded as "anti-Israel".

    http://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-42779188

    That makes it sound like she was tweeting something like querying Israel's policy of providing public services to illegal settlers..what she in fact said included.

    "one that described Israel as an 'illegal state' and another branding the country as a 'child murderer'."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5298365/LOreal-model-steps-anti-Israel-tweets.html

    I wonder what would constitute definitely anti-Israel?

    I don't see why such opinions (which I totally disagree with) should require her to step down. She may have expressed worse, but those seem to fall within the bounds of legitimate political debate.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,818
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Kudos to the 85 kippers who thought asteroid mining is the nation's top priority.

    Why does this visionary man appear to be the only one without a Wikipedia page?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,720
    Jonathan said:

    Henry Bolton is toast. The dream is over.

    Henry Bolton is the leader that our nation is crying out for.
  • ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    UK beauty blogger Amena Khan says she's pulling out of a L'Oreal campaign.

    Her decision follows the discovery of tweets she wrote in 2014, which some have branded as "anti-Israel".

    http://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-42779188

    That makes it sound like she was tweeting something like querying Israel's policy of providing public services to illegal settlers..what she in fact said included.

    "one that described Israel as an 'illegal state' and another branding the country as a 'child murderer'."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5298365/LOreal-model-steps-anti-Israel-tweets.html

    I wonder what would constitute definitely anti-Israel?

    Those views are rather tame compared to what I've heard many say in private.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Anne Marie Waters must have some mixed feelings right about now...
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Jonathan said:

    Henry Bolton is toast. The dream is over.

    As one dream is over, another surely begins? Gay donkey man's star could be in the ascendant. I'd love to know where we now are, procedurally, under the kipper constitution, but not enough to actually research it for myself. Anyone know?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/reuters/status/955529524128702465
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,818
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42782637

    Lawson blames the civil service for frustrating Brexit.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,154
    SeanT said:

    williamglenn said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42782637

    Lawson blames the civil service for frustrating Brexit.

    Still gonna happen tho. And you will owe me £1000 as of 29 March 2019. Sorry.
    He can reassure himself that at least you won't be feeling two grand.

    I'll get my coat...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Despite Brexit...

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/955537884630671366
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    I can’t say I agree with this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/22/russia-is-biggest-threat-since-cold-war-says-head-of-british-army

    I don’t think it’s the place of a military officer to opine in public about whether bases should be retained or not. He might make recommendations, but it is for the minister to decide. Similarly, he should not be publicly lobbying for more money and talking down our current capabilities. If he thinks ministers are truly neglecting defence, he should resign and then make his case publicly.

    It’s also worrying that he’s taken a Russian propaganda video so seriously.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/joewatts_/status/955539309297364993
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Jonathan said:

    Henry Bolton is toast. The dream is over.

    As one dream is over, another surely begins? Gay donkey man's star could be in the ascendant. I'd love to know where we now are, procedurally, under the kipper constitution, but not enough to actually research it for myself. Anyone know?
    The word for that is a “vellity”
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Scott_P said:

    Despite Brexit...

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/955537884630671366

    It’s far easier to blame Brexit than poor marketing or uncompetitive pricing.

    Considering the average Jag buyer in the U.K., I don’t think this was very sensible. Admittedly they sell far more Range Rovers and Land Rovers.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,510
    Scott_P said:

    Despite Brexit...

    ttps://twitter.com/skynews/status/955537884630671366

    Because of Brexit...
    https://twitter.com/McLarenAuto/status/953308897347035136
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited January 2018
    Up the Swans!

    So far this season, Karius conceded 5 goals in the PL and made 3 saves... City's keeper was the best at that last year I think
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,929
    SeanT said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    I can’t say I agree with this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/22/russia-is-biggest-threat-since-cold-war-says-head-of-british-army

    I don’t think it’s the place of a military officer to opine in public about whether bases should be retained or not. He might make recommendations, but it is for the minister to decide. Similarly, he should not be publicly lobbying for more money and talking down our current capabilities. If he thinks ministers are truly neglecting defence, he should resign and then make his case publicly.

    It’s also worrying that he’s taken a Russian propaganda video so seriously.

    British military dudes have been doing this shit since year dot. American generals do the same. They want to keep the money coming.

    I'm not saying he's wrong, personally I would bump up defence spending a bit. But to say top soldiers haven't ever been seen politicking and pork-barrelling before is very naive.
    More to the point. he was reported by the BBC as having made the statement with the full approval of the minister - effectively lobbying in behalf of spiderman.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,929
    Charles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Jonathan said:

    Henry Bolton is toast. The dream is over.

    As one dream is over, another surely begins? Gay donkey man's star could be in the ascendant. I'd love to know where we now are, procedurally, under the kipper constitution, but not enough to actually research it for myself. Anyone know?
    The word for that is a “vellity”
    Velleity ?

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,557
    Nigelb said:

    Charles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Jonathan said:

    Henry Bolton is toast. The dream is over.

    As one dream is over, another surely begins? Gay donkey man's star could be in the ascendant. I'd love to know where we now are, procedurally, under the kipper constitution, but not enough to actually research it for myself. Anyone know?
    The word for that is a “vellity”
    Velleity ?

    A similar root to one of my favourite words: vellichor?

    http://www.dictionaryofobscuresorrows.com/post/57250260260/vellichor
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,929
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/joewatts_/status/955539309297364993

    As a Liberal Leaver and a Soft Brexiteer, I'd be quite happy with this. Even 5 years of transition. It took us 40 years to become hideously enmeshed with the EU, taking 5-10 years to disentangle, to minimise damage, is just sensible.
    You're a Liberal ??
    :smile:
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SeanT said:

    As a Liberal Leaver and a Soft Brexiteer, I'd be quite happy with this. Even 5 years of transition. It took us 40 years to become hideously enmeshed with the EU, taking 5-10 years to disentangle, to minimise damage, is just sensible.

    Traitor...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,818
    SeanT said:

    As a Liberal Leaver and a Soft Brexiteer, I'd be quite happy with this. Even 5 years of transition. It took us 40 years to become hideously enmeshed with the EU, taking 5-10 years to disentangle, to minimise damage, is just sensible.

    Boris won't wear it.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5339046/boris-johnson-warns-allies-that-brexit-is-still-far-from-certain-and-they-face-a-big-fight-to-deliver-it/

    Boris has told confidantes that still having to accept dictats from Brussels would leave the UK as “just another Norway” and the nationwide vote’s landmark result would have proved “a total waste of time”.

    In that soft Brexit scenario, the mop-haired Tory boss has even claimed to pals: “I’d rather us stay in than leave like that”.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/gerryhassan/status/955545711357067264
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/gerryhassan/status/955545711357067264


    Cue "This is an ex-party" sketch.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,072
    MarkHopkins said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/gerryhassan/status/955545711357067264


    Cue "This is an ex-party" sketch.

    Only 50p to join
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    MarkHopkins said:

    Cue "This is an ex-party" sketch.

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/955537711015825408

    My American boss asked in a meeting last week "What is the carrying capacity of an unladen swallow" and confused my co-workers no end
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963
    Irony:

    Labour half-opposed a preferential electoral system for the UK, yet use a preferential system for leadership elections.

    The Conservatives fully opposed a preferential electoral system for the UK, yet use a quasi-preferential system for leadership elections.

    UKIP supported a preferential electoral system for the UK, yet use FPTP for leadership elections.

    The Lib Dems are sort-of consistent but insist on saying STV when they mean AV.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,154
    MarkHopkins said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/gerryhassan/status/955545711357067264


    Cue "This is an ex-party" sketch.

    It has ceased to be.

    I don't think it was pining for the fjords though. Norwegian trade deal wasn't what they were campaigning for.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,055
    Evening all :)

    Far more interesting than the continuing travails of UKIP was this in City AM this morning:

    http://www.cityam.com/279161/running-mayor-course-am-pimlico-plumbers-boss-charlie

    Mullins is considering running as an Independent in the 2020 mayoral election. My initial thought is IF he stands as an Independent against the Conservative, Sadiq Khan will think all his Christmases have come early.

    Could Mullins be a viable Conservative candidate to run against Khan ?

    Has anyone got a market up about this ?

    Is there honey still for tea ?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,353
    29.9%? That's nearly 20% less than wot REMAIN got at the EU Referendum :open_mouth:
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    williamglenn said:

    SeanT said:

    As a Liberal Leaver and a Soft Brexiteer, I'd be quite happy with this. Even 5 years of transition. It took us 40 years to become hideously enmeshed with the EU, taking 5-10 years to disentangle, to minimise damage, is just sensible.

    Boris won't wear it.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5339046/boris-johnson-warns-allies-that-brexit-is-still-far-from-certain-and-they-face-a-big-fight-to-deliver-it/

    Boris has told confidantes that still having to accept dictats from Brussels would leave the UK as “just another Norway” and the nationwide vote’s landmark result would have proved “a total waste of time”.

    In that soft Brexit scenario, the mop-haired Tory boss has even claimed to pals: “I’d rather us stay in than leave like that”.
    Its a transition. 5 years is eminently sensible; and actually I'd prefer we'd already left the EU political institutions. 5 years of following rules and an eternity of having actually left is better than 2 years of 'we'll just stay in for now' and an eternity of not having actually left...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,353
    MarkHopkins said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/gerryhassan/status/955545711357067264


    Cue "This is an ex-party" sketch.

    Norwegian Purple party...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,864
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    Despite Brexit...

    ttps://twitter.com/skynews/status/955537884630671366

    Because of Brexit...
    https://twitter.com/McLarenAuto/status/953308897347035136
    I assume they are based in Sheffield so as to be as near as possible to Nick Clegg.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    Henry Bolton's greatest achievement was to save UKIP by preventing Ann Marie Waters from winning. If she had become leader, the collapse of UKIP would have happened ten times as fast as it is now happening, three times as bigly, and four months earlier.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,864
    Essexit said:

    Irony:

    Labour half-opposed a preferential electoral system for the UK, yet use a preferential system for leadership elections.

    The Conservatives fully opposed a preferential electoral system for the UK, yet use a quasi-preferential system for leadership elections.

    UKIP supported a preferential electoral system for the UK, yet use FPTP for leadership elections.

    The Lib Dems are sort-of consistent but insist on saying STV when they mean AV.

    I thought their plan with leaders was do it fully proportional, with the party getting different leaders on different days of the week, proportional to votes.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    SeanT said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    I can’t say I agree with this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/22/russia-is-biggest-threat-since-cold-war-says-head-of-british-army

    I don’t think it’s the place of a military officer to opine in public about whether bases should be retained or not. He might make recommendations, but it is for the minister to decide. Similarly, he should not be publicly lobbying for more money and talking down our current capabilities. If he thinks ministers are truly neglecting defence, he should resign and then make his case publicly.

    It’s also worrying that he’s taken a Russian propaganda video so seriously.

    British military dudes have been doing this shit since year dot. American generals do the same. They want to keep the money coming.

    I'm not saying he's wrong, personally I would bump up defence spending a bit. But to say top soldiers haven't ever been seen politicking and pork-barrelling before is very naive.
    That’s not what I said, was it? I said I don’t approve of it, not that it hasn’t happened before.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,510
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Far more interesting than the continuing travails of UKIP was this in City AM this morning:

    http://www.cityam.com/279161/running-mayor-course-am-pimlico-plumbers-boss-charlie

    Mullins is considering running as an Independent in the 2020 mayoral election. My initial thought is IF he stands as an Independent against the Conservative, Sadiq Khan will think all his Christmases have come early.

    Could Mullins be a viable Conservative candidate to run against Khan ?

    Has anyone got a market up about this ?

    Is there honey still for tea ?

    I’d guess that if Mullins is serious about running, the Conservatives would put everything behind him rather than run someone against him.

    Betfair do have a market up but it hasn’t got going yet. 1.25 to back or 1.5 to lay Khan.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28051236/market?marketId=1.129790525
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Obvious that Bolton is going to leave it to the members as the average Kipper supporter probably finds his ex-girlfriend to be a bit of a pinko.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,055
    Sandpit said:

    I’d guess that if Mullins is serious about running, the Conservatives would put everything behind him rather than run someone against him.

    Betfair do have a market up but it hasn’t got going yet. 1.25 to back or 1.5 to lay Khan.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28051236/market?marketId=1.129790525

    So they wouldn't put up a candidate do Mullins can run as a CON-dependent ? Shades of the tactics used with Zac Goldsmith in the Richmond Park by-election and we know how that turned out.

    Do you think the Conservatives should stand aside for Mullins ? This is the London Mayoralty not a by-election.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    Freggles said:

    Anne Marie Waters must have some mixed feelings right about now...

    AMWICWNBLOUKIP
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/955549328323629056
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,510
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    Despite Brexit...

    ttps://twitter.com/skynews/status/955537884630671366

    Because of Brexit...
    https://twitter.com/McLarenAuto/status/953308897347035136
    I assume they are based in Sheffield so as to be as near as possible to Nick Clegg.
    Are they going to make a carbon fibre statue of him?

    Given that their car factory is in Surrey, I’m assuming there’s some sort of incentive or free zone deal to set up the composites factory 200 miles away?
  • HHemmeligHHemmelig Posts: 617
    Sandpit said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Far more interesting than the continuing travails of UKIP was this in City AM this morning:

    http://www.cityam.com/279161/running-mayor-course-am-pimlico-plumbers-boss-charlie

    Mullins is considering running as an Independent in the 2020 mayoral election. My initial thought is IF he stands as an Independent against the Conservative, Sadiq Khan will think all his Christmases have come early.

    Could Mullins be a viable Conservative candidate to run against Khan ?

    Has anyone got a market up about this ?

    Is there honey still for tea ?

    I’d guess that if Mullins is serious about running, the Conservatives would put everything behind him rather than run someone against him.

    Betfair do have a market up but it hasn’t got going yet. 1.25 to back or 1.5 to lay Khan.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28051236/market?marketId=1.129790525
    The Conservative brand is so toxic in London now that no Tory candidate, no matter how strong, could win the mayoralty under that label. The best chance of defeating Labour is if a high profile independent gets into the second round and defeats Khan with the help of second preferences of Tories and Lib Dems. A kind of reverse Ken Livingstone in 2000. Not sure if Mullins is high enough profile, someone like Sugar could do it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,510
    stodge said:

    Sandpit said:

    I’d guess that if Mullins is serious about running, the Conservatives would put everything behind him rather than run someone against him.

    Betfair do have a market up but it hasn’t got going yet. 1.25 to back or 1.5 to lay Khan.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28051236/market?marketId=1.129790525

    So they wouldn't put up a candidate do Mullins can run as a CON-dependent ? Shades of the tactics used with Zac Goldsmith in the Richmond Park by-election and we know how that turned out.

    Do you think the Conservatives should stand aside for Mullins ? This is the London Mayoralty not a by-election.

    I’d think they’d be silly to run someone against him, given the electoral system it could be a huge gift to Khan if two Conservatives take votes from each other and leave the LD in second place for the runoff.

    I’d encourage Mullins to run as the official Tory in 2020, but be prepared to run no more more than a paper candidate (cf. Frank Dobson) against him if he wants to go alone. He’d make a great mayor.
  • HHemmeligHHemmelig Posts: 617
    stodge said:

    Sandpit said:

    I’d guess that if Mullins is serious about running, the Conservatives would put everything behind him rather than run someone against him.

    Betfair do have a market up but it hasn’t got going yet. 1.25 to back or 1.5 to lay Khan.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28051236/market?marketId=1.129790525

    So they wouldn't put up a candidate do Mullins can run as a CON-dependent ? Shades of the tactics used with Zac Goldsmith in the Richmond Park by-election and we know how that turned out.

    Do you think the Conservatives should stand aside for Mullins ? This is the London Mayoralty not a by-election.

    No. They should run a low key campaign and aim to come 3rd and hope he beats Khan in the second round. Nobody could win the mayoralty under the toxic Conservative party label at the present time. The question is whether they will eventually recover or whether London becomes the Tories' new Scotland in 10 years' time.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    Trump, Corbyn and May. And now Bolton?
    Is this a new age of political pig pigheadedness?
    Or has it always been so.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,055
    HHemmelig said:


    No. They should run a low key campaign and aim to come 3rd and hope he beats Khan in the second round. Nobody could win the mayoralty under the toxic Conservative party label at the present time. The question is whether they will eventually recover or whether London becomes the Tories' new Scotland in 10 years' time.

    There's always the possibility Khan could win 50%+1 in the first round.

  • HHemmeligHHemmelig Posts: 617
    Sandpit said:

    stodge said:

    Sandpit said:

    I’d guess that if Mullins is serious about running, the Conservatives would put everything behind him rather than run someone against him.

    Betfair do have a market up but it hasn’t got going yet. 1.25 to back or 1.5 to lay Khan.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28051236/market?marketId=1.129790525

    So they wouldn't put up a candidate do Mullins can run as a CON-dependent ? Shades of the tactics used with Zac Goldsmith in the Richmond Park by-election and we know how that turned out.

    Do you think the Conservatives should stand aside for Mullins ? This is the London Mayoralty not a by-election.

    I’d think they’d be silly to run someone against him, given the electoral system it could be a huge gift to Khan if two Conservatives take votes from each other and leave the LD in second place for the runoff.

    I’d encourage Mullins to run as the official Tory in 2020, but be prepared to run no more more than a paper candidate (cf. Frank Dobson) against him if he wants to go alone. He’d make a great mayor.
    The chance of the LDs getting into the runoff is zero. Even Stodge the loyal Lib Dem will surely agree. If Mullins runs under a Tory party label he has no chance, not that Khan is likely to be defeated under any other scenario. Aside from Labour's huge head start in London, I detect that London is enjoying having a quiet mayor after 16 years of loud bluster from Ken and Boris.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,720
    HHemmelig said:

    stodge said:

    Sandpit said:

    I’d guess that if Mullins is serious about running, the Conservatives would put everything behind him rather than run someone against him.

    Betfair do have a market up but it hasn’t got going yet. 1.25 to back or 1.5 to lay Khan.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28051236/market?marketId=1.129790525

    So they wouldn't put up a candidate do Mullins can run as a CON-dependent ? Shades of the tactics used with Zac Goldsmith in the Richmond Park by-election and we know how that turned out.

    Do you think the Conservatives should stand aside for Mullins ? This is the London Mayoralty not a by-election.

    No. They should run a low key campaign and aim to come 3rd and hope he beats Khan in the second round. Nobody could win the mayoralty under the toxic Conservative party label at the present time. The question is whether they will eventually recover or whether London becomes the Tories' new Scotland in 10 years' time.
    London (like most capital cities) is now very left wing. The Conservatives need to focus on retaining the right wing districts.
  • HHemmeligHHemmelig Posts: 617
    stodge said:

    HHemmelig said:


    No. They should run a low key campaign and aim to come 3rd and hope he beats Khan in the second round. Nobody could win the mayoralty under the toxic Conservative party label at the present time. The question is whether they will eventually recover or whether London becomes the Tories' new Scotland in 10 years' time.

    There's always the possibility Khan could win 50%+1 in the first round.

    Not unfeasible given the current political situtaion in London.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,055
    Sean_F said:


    London (like most capital cities) is now very left wing. The Conservatives need to focus on retaining the right wing districts.

    This year's local elections will give us some clue where the last redoubts are located.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602
    What that chart also suggests is that if Ann Marie Waters rejoins UKIP or a supporter of hers stands in the ballot using UKIP's FPTP system they would have a real chance of winning given Waters came second last time and Bolton beat her by less than 10%
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,557
    Mortimer said:

    williamglenn said:

    SeanT said:

    As a Liberal Leaver and a Soft Brexiteer, I'd be quite happy with this. Even 5 years of transition. It took us 40 years to become hideously enmeshed with the EU, taking 5-10 years to disentangle, to minimise damage, is just sensible.

    Boris won't wear it.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5339046/boris-johnson-warns-allies-that-brexit-is-still-far-from-certain-and-they-face-a-big-fight-to-deliver-it/

    Boris has told confidantes that still having to accept dictats from Brussels would leave the UK as “just another Norway” and the nationwide vote’s landmark result would have proved “a total waste of time”.

    In that soft Brexit scenario, the mop-haired Tory boss has even claimed to pals: “I’d rather us stay in than leave like that”.
    Its a transition. 5 years is eminently sensible; and actually I'd prefer we'd already left the EU political institutions. 5 years of following rules and an eternity of having actually left is better than 2 years of 'we'll just stay in for now' and an eternity of not having actually left...
    Didn't Barnier say that Transition has to end by 31 Dec 2020? Anything longer would be the Deal rather than Transition.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602
    HHemmelig said:

    Sandpit said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Far more interesting than the continuing travails of UKIP was this in City AM this morning:

    http://www.cityam.com/279161/running-mayor-course-am-pimlico-plumbers-boss-charlie

    Mullins is considering running as an Independent in the 2020 mayoral election. My initial thought is IF he stands as an Independent against the Conservative, Sadiq Khan will think all his Christmases have come early.

    Could Mullins be a viable Conservative candidate to run against Khan ?

    Has anyone got a market up about this ?

    Is there honey still for tea ?

    I’d guess that if Mullins is serious about running, the Conservatives would put everything behind him rather than run someone against him.

    Betfair do have a market up but it hasn’t got going yet. 1.25 to back or 1.5 to lay Khan.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28051236/market?marketId=1.129790525
    The Conservative brand is so toxic in London now that no Tory candidate, no matter how strong, could win the mayoralty under that label. The best chance of defeating Labour is if a high profile independent gets into the second round and defeats Khan with the help of second preferences of Tories and Lib Dems. A kind of reverse Ken Livingstone in 2000. Not sure if Mullins is high enough profile, someone like Sugar could do it.
    Sugar is certainly the only candidate I can see beating Khan too
  • HHemmeligHHemmelig Posts: 617
    Sean_F said:

    HHemmelig said:

    stodge said:

    Sandpit said:

    I’d guess that if Mullins is serious about running, the Conservatives would put everything behind him rather than run someone against him.

    Betfair do have a market up but it hasn’t got going yet. 1.25 to back or 1.5 to lay Khan.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28051236/market?marketId=1.129790525

    So they wouldn't put up a candidate do Mullins can run as a CON-dependent ? Shades of the tactics used with Zac Goldsmith in the Richmond Park by-election and we know how that turned out.

    Do you think the Conservatives should stand aside for Mullins ? This is the London Mayoralty not a by-election.

    No. They should run a low key campaign and aim to come 3rd and hope he beats Khan in the second round. Nobody could win the mayoralty under the toxic Conservative party label at the present time. The question is whether they will eventually recover or whether London becomes the Tories' new Scotland in 10 years' time.
    London (like most capital cities) is now very left wing. The Conservatives need to focus on retaining the right wing districts.
    An uphill battle long term and their last remaining card is Corbyn. When Labour finally gets another popular centrist leader the Bromleys and Romfords will fall to Labour like ninepins.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,929
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    Despite Brexit...

    ttps://twitter.com/skynews/status/955537884630671366

    Because of Brexit...
    https://twitter.com/McLarenAuto/status/953308897347035136
    I assume they are based in Sheffield so as to be as near as possible to Nick Clegg.
    Are they going to make a carbon fibre statue of him?

    Given that their car factory is in Surrey, I’m assuming there’s some sort of incentive or free zone deal to set up the composites factory 200 miles away?
    A composite memorial to the coalition would be somehow appropriate.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,929
    HYUFD said:

    HHemmelig said:

    Sandpit said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Far more interesting than the continuing travails of UKIP was this in City AM this morning:

    http://www.cityam.com/279161/running-mayor-course-am-pimlico-plumbers-boss-charlie

    Mullins is considering running as an Independent in the 2020 mayoral election. My initial thought is IF he stands as an Independent against the Conservative, Sadiq Khan will think all his Christmases have come early.

    Could Mullins be a viable Conservative candidate to run against Khan ?

    Has anyone got a market up about this ?

    Is there honey still for tea ?

    I’d guess that if Mullins is serious about running, the Conservatives would put everything behind him rather than run someone against him.

    Betfair do have a market up but it hasn’t got going yet. 1.25 to back or 1.5 to lay Khan.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28051236/market?marketId=1.129790525
    The Conservative brand is so toxic in London now that no Tory candidate, no matter how strong, could win the mayoralty under that label. The best chance of defeating Labour is if a high profile independent gets into the second round and defeats Khan with the help of second preferences of Tories and Lib Dems. A kind of reverse Ken Livingstone in 2000. Not sure if Mullins is high enough profile, someone like Sugar could do it.
    Sugar is certainly the only candidate I can see beating Khan too
    No chance.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/iandunt/status/955555866538856448
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,720
    stodge said:

    Sean_F said:


    London (like most capital cities) is now very left wing. The Conservatives need to focus on retaining the right wing districts.

    This year's local elections will give us some clue where the last redoubts are located.

    The Tories were competitive in Outer London in 2017. Inner London was a dead zone for them.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,055
    HYUFD said:


    Sugar is certainly the only candidate I can see beating Khan too

    Would you support an independent Mullins candidacy if there was no Conservative candidate ? Do you think the Conservatives should stand aside for Mullins ?

  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited January 2018
    stodge said:

    Sean_F said:


    London (like most capital cities) is now very left wing. The Conservatives need to focus on retaining the right wing districts.

    This year's local elections will give us some clue where the last redoubts are located.

    Zones 5 and 6 in areas that generally voted leave - Bromley, Hillingdon, Havering, Bexley. They may hold out for a few years more but I think they are pretty much done in almost all of zones 1-4. Their vote is strongly correlated with areas with large white British and older populations (the two are of course correlated) who are leaving and/or dying out.

    Their voting base is leaving London for Essex, Kent, Herts etc and I don't see them replacing it.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,344
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    Despite Brexit...

    ttps://twitter.com/skynews/status/955537884630671366

    Because of Brexit...
    https://twitter.com/McLarenAuto/status/953308897347035136
    I assume they are based in Sheffield so as to be as near as possible to Nick Clegg.
    Are they going to make a carbon fibre statue of him?

    Given that their car factory is in Surrey, I’m assuming there’s some sort of incentive or free zone deal to set up the composites factory 200 miles away?
    A composite memorial to the coalition would be somehow appropriate.
    Progressively delaminating over 5 years would also be good.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited January 2018
    Toms said:


    Trump, Corbyn and May. And now Bolton?
    Is this a new age of political pig pigheadedness?
    Or has it always been so.

    Given that Aaron Burr (VP*) shot and killed Alexander Hamilton (Sec. Treasury*) over a politicially damaging letter I’d say we still have some way to go

    * both retired, but still!
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    Foxy said:

    Mortimer said:

    williamglenn said:

    SeanT said:

    As a Liberal Leaver and a Soft Brexiteer, I'd be quite happy with this. Even 5 years of transition. It took us 40 years to become hideously enmeshed with the EU, taking 5-10 years to disentangle, to minimise damage, is just sensible.

    Boris won't wear it.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5339046/boris-johnson-warns-allies-that-brexit-is-still-far-from-certain-and-they-face-a-big-fight-to-deliver-it/

    Boris has told confidantes that still having to accept dictats from Brussels would leave the UK as “just another Norway” and the nationwide vote’s landmark result would have proved “a total waste of time”.

    In that soft Brexit scenario, the mop-haired Tory boss has even claimed to pals: “I’d rather us stay in than leave like that”.
    Its a transition. 5 years is eminently sensible; and actually I'd prefer we'd already left the EU political institutions. 5 years of following rules and an eternity of having actually left is better than 2 years of 'we'll just stay in for now' and an eternity of not having actually left...
    Didn't Barnier say that Transition has to end by 31 Dec 2020? Anything longer would be the Deal rather than Transition.
    The article says transition.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,720
    brendan16 said:

    stodge said:

    Sean_F said:


    London (like most capital cities) is now very left wing. The Conservatives need to focus on retaining the right wing districts.

    This year's local elections will give us some clue where the last redoubts are located.

    Zones 5 and 6 in areas that generally voted leave - Bromley, Hillingdon, Havering, Bexley. They may hold out for a few years more but I think they are pretty much done in almost all of zones 1-4. Their vote is strongly correlated with areas with large white British and older populations (the two are of course correlated) who are leaving and/or dying out.

    Their voting base is leaving London for Essex, Kent, Herts etc and I don't see them replacing it.
    Their voting base is also one of home owners, and lower middle class and skilled working class voters - all of which are in short supply in Inner London.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited January 2018
    Nigel Farage's rumoured return to the political foreground has an ulterior motive. Protection via profile. Farage is a traitor to his country and indeed to the liberal democratic values that enabled the causes for which he claims to represent to succeed.

    He is under more than one investigation and may soon have trouble travelling. By re-establishing his profile he can seek to make any case against him as a political witch hunt.



  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602
    edited January 2018
    brendan16 said:

    stodge said:

    Sean_F said:


    London (like most capital cities) is now very left wing. The Conservatives need to focus on retaining the right wing districts.

    This year's local elections will give us some clue where the last redoubts are located.

    Zones 5 and 6 in areas that generally voted leave - Bromley, Hillingdon, Havering, Bexley. They may hold out for a few years more but I think they are pretty much done in almost all of zones 1-4. Their vote is strongly correlated with areas with large white British and older populations (the two are of course correlated) who are leaving and/or dying out.

    Their voting base is leaving London for Essex, Kent, Herts etc and I don't see them replacing it.
    Westminster and Kensington and Chelsea will also still likely be Tory for some time to come, Wandsworth is a bellweather and Barnet leans Tory because of the Jewish vote. Richmond Park and Kingston Upon Thames are unique in London as Labour has little presence there and the battle is between the Tories and LDs
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Y0kel said:

    Nigel Farage's rumoured return to the political foreground has an ulterior motive. Protection via profile. Farage is a traitor to his country and indeed to the liberal democratic values that enabled the causes for which he claims to represent to succeed.

    He is under more than one investigation and may soon have trouble travelling. By re-establishing his profile he can seek to make any case against him as a political witch hunt.

    Sad...
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Charles said:

    Toms said:


    Trump, Corbyn and May. And now Bolton?
    Is this a new age of political pig pigheadedness?
    Or has it always been so.

    Given that Aaron Burr (VP*) shot and killed Alexander Hamilton (Sec. Treasury*) over a politician damaging letter I’d say we still have some way to go

    * both retired, but still!
    That sounds a bit more like bloody mindedness, emphasising the "bloody", than it does pigheadedness.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:


    Sugar is certainly the only candidate I can see beating Khan too

    Would you support an independent Mullins candidacy if there was no Conservative candidate ? Do you think the Conservatives should stand aside for Mullins ?

    I don't think he has the name recognition or presence of Sugar, plus although he is rich he is nowhere near Sugar's league
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,510
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    Despite Brexit...

    ttps://twitter.com/skynews/status/955537884630671366

    Because of Brexit...
    https://twitter.com/McLarenAuto/status/953308897347035136
    I assume they are based in Sheffield so as to be as near as possible to Nick Clegg.
    Are they going to make a carbon fibre statue of him?

    Given that their car factory is in Surrey, I’m assuming there’s some sort of incentive or free zone deal to set up the composites factory 200 miles away?
    A composite memorial to the coalition would be somehow appropriate.
    Very good. ;)

    For some reason, I’ve yet to hear anything from Mr O'Mara MP about a hugely successful British company bringing dozens of hi-tech skilled manufacturing jobs to his city...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602
    HHemmelig said:

    Sean_F said:

    HHemmelig said:

    stodge said:

    Sandpit said:

    I’d guess that if Mullins is serious about running, the Conservatives would put everything behind him rather than run someone against him.

    Betfair do have a market up but it hasn’t got going yet. 1.25 to back or 1.5 to lay Khan.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28051236/market?marketId=1.129790525

    So they wouldn't put up a candidate do Mullins can run as a CON-dependent ? Shades of the tactics used with Zac Goldsmith in the Richmond Park by-election and we know how that turned out.

    Do you think the Conservatives should stand aside for Mullins ? This is the London Mayoralty not a by-election.

    No. They should run a low key campaign and aim to come 3rd and hope he beats Khan in the second round. Nobody could win the mayoralty under the toxic Conservative party label at the present time. The question is whether they will eventually recover or whether London becomes the Tories' new Scotland in 10 years' time.
    London (like most capital cities) is now very left wing. The Conservatives need to focus on retaining the right wing districts.
    An uphill battle long term and their last remaining card is Corbyn. When Labour finally gets another popular centrist leader the Bromleys and Romfords will fall to Labour like ninepins.
    Bromley will never vote Labour, even Blair could not win it and the Tories won Bromley and Chislehurst with a comfortable 9,590 majority last June
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,929
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    Despite Brexit...

    ttps://twitter.com/skynews/status/955537884630671366

    Because of Brexit...
    https://twitter.com/McLarenAuto/status/953308897347035136
    I assume they are based in Sheffield so as to be as near as possible to Nick Clegg.
    Are they going to make a carbon fibre statue of him?

    Given that their car factory is in Surrey, I’m assuming there’s some sort of incentive or free zone deal to set up the composites factory 200 miles away?
    A composite memorial to the coalition would be somehow appropriate.
    Progressively delaminating over 5 years would also be good.
    Wasn't the failure mode rather a sudden fracture ?

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,818
    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/955564102134517760
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,055
    HYUFD said:


    Bromley will never vote Labour, even Blair could not win it and the Tories won Bromley and Chislehurst with a comfortable 9,590 majority last June

    I think the locals will tell a different story. Bromley will stay Conservative as will Bexley but the likes of Barnet, Hillingdon, Richmond and Kingston could all be lost.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,154
    Charles said:

    Toms said:


    Trump, Corbyn and May. And now Bolton?
    Is this a new age of political pig pigheadedness?
    Or has it always been so.

    Given that Aaron Burr (VP*) shot and killed Alexander Hamilton (Sec. Treasury*) over a politicially damaging letter I’d say we still have some way to go

    * both retired, but still!
    Even after that Canning and Castlereagh fought a duel in this country, and Wellington went one better by exchanging shots with the Duke of Winchester(?) in a duel while PM in 1829 (albeit they both fired to miss).
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,737
    HYUFD said:

    HHemmelig said:

    Sandpit said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Far more interesting than the continuing travails of UKIP was this in City AM this morning:

    http://www.cityam.com/279161/running-mayor-course-am-pimlico-plumbers-boss-charlie

    Mullins is considering running as an Independent in the 2020 mayoral election. My initial thought is IF he stands as an Independent against the Conservative, Sadiq Khan will think all his Christmases have come early.

    Could Mullins be a viable Conservative candidate to run against Khan ?

    Has anyone got a market up about this ?

    Is there honey still for tea ?

    I’d guess that if Mullins is serious about running, the Conservatives would put everything behind him rather than run someone against him.

    Betfair do have a market up but it hasn’t got going yet. 1.25 to back or 1.5 to lay Khan.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28051236/market?marketId=1.129790525
    The Conservative brand is so toxic in London now that no Tory candidate, no matter how strong, could win the mayoralty under that label. The best chance of defeating Labour is if a high profile independent gets into the second round and defeats Khan with the help of second preferences of Tories and Lib Dems. A kind of reverse Ken Livingstone in 2000. Not sure if Mullins is high enough profile, someone like Sugar could do it.
    Sugar is certainly the only candidate I can see beating Khan too

    Sugar is too thin-skinned for politics. And no Spurs fan would vote for him!

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,557
    Mortimer said:

    Foxy said:

    Mortimer said:

    williamglenn said:

    SeanT said:

    As a Liberal Leaver and a Soft Brexiteer, I'd be quite happy with this. Even 5 years of transition. It took us 40 years to become hideously enmeshed with the EU, taking 5-10 years to disentangle, to minimise damage, is just sensible.

    Boris won't wear it.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5339046/boris-johnson-warns-allies-that-brexit-is-still-far-from-certain-and-they-face-a-big-fight-to-deliver-it/

    Boris has told confidantes that still having to accept dictats from Brussels would leave the UK as “just another Norway” and the nationwide vote’s landmark result would have proved “a total waste of time”.

    In that soft Brexit scenario, the mop-haired Tory boss has even claimed to pals: “I’d rather us stay in than leave like that”.
    Its a transition. 5 years is eminently sensible; and actually I'd prefer we'd already left the EU political institutions. 5 years of following rules and an eternity of having actually left is better than 2 years of 'we'll just stay in for now' and an eternity of not having actually left...
    Didn't Barnier say that Transition has to end by 31 Dec 2020? Anything longer would be the Deal rather than Transition.
    The article says transition.
    Who to believe? But Barnier does have Transition ending on 31 Dec 2020.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/michel-barnier-post-brexit-transition-to-end-december-2020/
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,737
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Far more interesting than the continuing travails of UKIP was this in City AM this morning:

    http://www.cityam.com/279161/running-mayor-course-am-pimlico-plumbers-boss-charlie

    Mullins is considering running as an Independent in the 2020 mayoral election. My initial thought is IF he stands as an Independent against the Conservative, Sadiq Khan will think all his Christmases have come early.

    Could Mullins be a viable Conservative candidate to run against Khan ?

    Has anyone got a market up about this ?

    Is there honey still for tea ?

    The bloke is a publicity junkie. There’s no more to it than that.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,809
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/joewatts_/status/955539309297364993

    As a Liberal Leaver and a Soft Brexiteer, I'd be quite happy with this. Even 5 years of transition. It took us 40 years to become hideously enmeshed with the EU, taking 5-10 years to disentangle, to minimise damage, is just sensible.
    Works for me, in theory. Devil in detail etc etc
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,737
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/955564102134517760

    It’s getting harder and harder to understand why May is keeping Johnson in the cabinet. He actively harms UK interests as foreign secretary and he has no notion of collective responsibility. What is the point?

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,353
    Nigelb said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    Despite Brexit...

    ttps://twitter.com/skynews/status/955537884630671366

    Because of Brexit...
    https://twitter.com/McLarenAuto/status/953308897347035136
    I assume they are based in Sheffield so as to be as near as possible to Nick Clegg.
    Are they going to make a carbon fibre statue of him?

    Given that their car factory is in Surrey, I’m assuming there’s some sort of incentive or free zone deal to set up the composites factory 200 miles away?
    A composite memorial to the coalition would be somehow appropriate.
    Progressively delaminating over 5 years would also be good.
    Wasn't the failure mode rather a sudden fracture ?

    "The greatest teacher, failure is!" - Master Yoda.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    Y0kel said:

    Nigel Farage's rumoured return to the political foreground has an ulterior motive. Protection via profile. Farage is a traitor to his country and indeed to the liberal democratic values that enabled the causes for which he claims to represent to succeed.

    He is under more than one investigation and may soon have trouble travelling. By re-establishing his profile he can seek to make any case against him as a political witch hunt.

    Let’s say this is true, I wonder what his motivation was for being a traitor. Money? Women? Always been secretly anti-British?
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    Sean_F said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    UK beauty blogger Amena Khan says she's pulling out of a L'Oreal campaign.
    Her decision follows the discovery of tweets she wrote in 2014, which some have branded as "anti-Israel".

    http://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-42779188
    That makes it sound like she was tweeting something like querying Israel's policy of providing public services to illegal settlers..what she in fact said included.
    "one that described Israel as an 'illegal state' and another branding the country as a 'child murderer'."
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5298365/LOreal-model-steps-anti-Israel-tweets.html
    I wonder what would constitute definitely anti-Israel?

    I don't see why such opinions (which I totally disagree with) should require her to step down. She may have expressed worse, but those seem to fall within the bounds of legitimate political debate.
    Not if nobody knows who you are, and you need a bit of publicity. It makes perfect sense.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    williamglenn said:

    twitter.com/hendopolis/status/955564102134517760

    Now if only the tories has just promised this at the GE and then had boris on the campaign trail where he goes down well.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Y0kel said:

    Nigel Farage's rumoured return to the political foreground has an ulterior motive. Protection via profile. Farage is a traitor to his country and indeed to the liberal democratic values that enabled the causes for which he claims to represent to succeed.

    He is under more than one investigation and may soon have trouble travelling. By re-establishing his profile he can seek to make any case against him as a political witch hunt.

    Let’s say this is true, I wonder what his motivation was for being a traitor. Money? Women? Always been secretly anti-British?
    Winning, influence, vanity and a fundamentally anti democratic outlook
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602
    SouthamObserver said:

    HYUFD said:

    HHemmelig said:

    Sandpit said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Far more interesting than the continuing travails of UKIP was this in City AM this morning:

    http://www.cityam.com/279161/running-mayor-course-am-pimlico-plumbers-boss-charlie

    Mullins is considering running as an Independent in the 2020 mayoral election. My initial thought is IF he stands as an Independent against the Conservative, Sadiq Khan will think all his Christmases have come early.

    Could Mullins be a viable Conservative candidate to run against Khan ?

    Has anyone got a market up about this ?

    Is there honey still for tea ?

    I’d guess that if Mullins is serious about running, the Conservatives would put everything behind him rather than run someone against him.

    Betfair do have a market up but it hasn’t got going yet. 1.25 to back or 1.5 to lay Khan.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28051236/market?marketId=1.129790525
    The Conservative brand is so toxic in London now that no Tory candidate, no matter how strong, could win the mayoralty under that label. The best chance of defeating Labour is if a high profile independent gets into the second round and defeats Khan with the help of second preferences of Tories and Lib Dems. A kind of reverse Ken Livingstone in 2000. Not sure if Mullins is high enough profile, someone like Sugar could do it.
    Sugar is certainly the only candidate I can see beating Khan too

    Sugar is too thin-skinned for politics. And no Spurs fan would vote for him!

    He is no more thin-skinned than Trump
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:


    Bromley will never vote Labour, even Blair could not win it and the Tories won Bromley and Chislehurst with a comfortable 9,590 majority last June

    I think the locals will tell a different story. Bromley will stay Conservative as will Bexley but the likes of Barnet, Hillingdon, Richmond and Kingston could all be lost.

    Hillingdon and maybe even Barnet too will stay Tory, Kingston will go LD, Richmond could go either way
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602
    SouthamObserver said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/955564102134517760

    It’s getting harder and harder to understand why May is keeping Johnson in the cabinet. He actively harms UK interests as foreign secretary and he has no notion of collective responsibility. What is the point?

    As he is the biggest beast in the Tory jungle after May and she cannot afford to have both Mogg and Boris on the backbenches as both have strong membership support
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    HYUFD said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/955564102134517760

    It’s getting harder and harder to understand why May is keeping Johnson in the cabinet. He actively harms UK interests as foreign secretary and he has no notion of collective responsibility. What is the point?
    As he is the biggest beast in the Tory jungle after May and she cannot afford to have both Mogg and Boris on the backbenches as both have strong membership support
    But why should the rest of the country suffer, just because May is feeble and clueless, and a microscopic number of backwoodmen prefer the throwbacks?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,737
    HYUFD said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/955564102134517760

    It’s getting harder and harder to understand why May is keeping Johnson in the cabinet. He actively harms UK interests as foreign secretary and he has no notion of collective responsibility. What is the point?

    As he is the biggest beast in the Tory jungle after May and she cannot afford to have both Mogg and Boris on the backbenches as both have strong membership support

    That might make sense if:
    1. Johnson was any good at his job.
    2. Was not actively undermining May at every turn anyway.
    Keeping him in place just makes her look incredibly weak. Which she is, I guess. But if ever there were an example of a PM putting partybefore country, this is it.

  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    What in the name of god is this circular firing squad within Conservative ranks that believe Mogg is in anyway going to be a net vote winner in the country.

    He is the political equivalent of a novelty act. All mildly amusing but will not carry.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602
    PClipp said:

    HYUFD said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/955564102134517760

    It’s getting harder and harder to understand why May is keeping Johnson in the cabinet. He actively harms UK interests as foreign secretary and he has no notion of collective responsibility. What is the point?
    As he is the biggest beast in the Tory jungle after May and she cannot afford to have both Mogg and Boris on the backbenches as both have strong membership support
    But why should the rest of the country suffer, just because May is feeble and clueless, and a microscopic number of backwoodmen prefer the throwbacks?
    Well Labour is quite prepared to put up a quasi Marxist so there is no reason why the Tories should ignore their base either
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602
    Y0kel said:

    What in the name of god is this circular firing squad within Conservative ranks that believe Mogg is in anyway going to be a net vote winner in the country.

    He is the political equivalent of a novelty act. All mildly amusing but will not carry.

    People said the same about Corbyn, after 5 years of a Corbyn government even Mogg might have a chance
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Freggles said:

    Look, he might have won by a narrow margin, but you can't subvert the will of the people.

    #RespectTheResult

    #BoltonLeader4Life

    Nice trolling :)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602
    SouthamObserver said:

    HYUFD said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/955564102134517760

    It’s getting harder and harder to understand why May is keeping Johnson in the cabinet. He actively harms UK interests as foreign secretary and he has no notion of collective responsibility. What is the point?

    As he is the biggest beast in the Tory jungle after May and she cannot afford to have both Mogg and Boris on the backbenches as both have strong membership support

    That might make sense if:
    1. Johnson was any good at his job.
    2. Was not actively undermining May at every turn anyway.
    Keeping him in place just makes her look incredibly weak. Which she is, I guess. But if ever there were an example of a PM putting partybefore country, this is it.

    Boris is at least a Foreign Secretary most of the world has heard of and has reasonable relationships with the White House and Macron's team, as he showed last week over the Channel bridge which Macron supported and even the Russians take him seriously
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