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Fieldwork for the poll took place at the end of last week before this week’s events.
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For full disclosure, I do not, and never have believed her to be competent. But she could be forgiven for rather enjoying this weekend.
https://twitter.com/humanists_uk/status/935928477303361536
I think Clegg and Miliband have come out of the last GE looking a lot better than Farron has tbh.
Farron's problem is that his deeply held beliefs in Christian Liberalism are rather niche.
Can't speak for others, but personally I don't need a Bible to tell me murdering people is wrong. Or that shellfish are an abomination.
Farron has always been poor, seems he's now letting himself go.
I've sometimes thought that settlement and time issues aside ReligiousBetting.com would be a fun site.
Tim Farron is alright, despite being a bit misguided and looking like an aged foetus. I don't see Muslim politicians getting hassled over for example what they think of gays (chuck em off the roof) ever.
@another_richard This recent article of his has been popular among some: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/28/liberalism-eaten-itself-british-religious-liberty-christianity-tim-farron
I found this part of his article a bit curious though: “But are there common secular values that we collectively hold here in Britain? No, I don’t think so. We don’t really have shared values. There is no unifying set of British values. It’s a myth.”
We have no unifying set of values? Really?
Farron is an arse. The idea that millions of people have no morals or common values just because they don't believe in a prehistoric Middle Eastern Sky Fairy is laughable.
There are plenty of atheists on here from both sides (all sides) of the political divide and one of the reasons we are able to have discussions about the best way to improve the lot of people is not because we lack shared values but because we actually do have them and the only real difference is how to achieve the same shared aims of making life better for people.
I don't trust the media or twitter to report on Christian stuff fairly at all I'm afraid.
(This bit is merely for the purposes of debate) Why do you think murder is wrong? I "feel" like everyone that it's deeply wrong, but when I work through why I find it to be somewhat less obviously so, and the old schoolboy question about murdering Hitler has a point.
I'm fairly sure we're quite far from working out this being alive business. Quite why many of us (e.g, Farron) choose to drive at full speed down a cul-de-sac marked 'the wrong way' escapes me.
That's all the Eucharist really is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/62q67g/brexit_caricature_by_bruce_mackinnon/
Now, with recent developments a follow-up might show something like the same, or similar, character in mid air (as in "Road Runner" cartoons of old) off a cliff flapping his limbs and exclaiming "I can fly". Traditionally the RR 'toon would suspend the coyote briefly in mid air until he realised his predicament whereupon the laws of physics took over.
Apologies for this but sometimes my brain seems to have an unhinged life of its own.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5162457/Would-Labour-councillor-claims-no-ISIS.html
Labour appear to be trying to outdo UKIP on the conspiracy nutter count.
Salt Lake City is of the strangest places I have visited. Super successful place, very high average earnings, quality of life, educational attainment, but incredibly high suicide rate. there is something very odd about the place
Human societies can sometimes be quite odd, such as when the Spartans were destroyed by winning the Peloponnesian War (they were rich, which didn't exactly gel with their general approach to life).
'The Tories took more UKIP votes than Labour last June - although those votes did not fall in their favour to the extent that many had assumed. The idea that all UKIP voters would switch to the Tories in the absence of a candidate was shown to be nonsense.'
Ydoethur said
'Is there any evidence of churn - Tory remainers defecting to Labour, not wholly compensated for by UKIP voters?
It would have been an odd position to take given Corbyn's own lack of enthusiasm for the EU, but the whole election was more surreal than a Monty Python sketch anyway.'
I suspect that many commentators misunderstood the reasons why so many voted UKIP in 2015. For a large number UKIP - and to a lesser extent the Greens - had replaced the LibDems as the anti-establishment or 'none of the above' option.By no means was the EU the only driver of their support. The LibDems had ceased to perform this function after entering Coalition with the Tories. As a result the disaffected had to look elsewhere.
Cooler, two weeks.
Like most people I would be hard pressed to articulate those values as we have not tended to push them down the throats of our citizens in the same way that, for example, the Americans do. But I don't, for example (and to pick probably the person I most disagree with on here about pretty much everything), I don't think that Williamglenn's value systems are really very different from my own. Nor Tysons, or Surbitons etc.
Indeed the people I tend to disagree with most on basic values are those who are openly religious, partly because it just pushes a button with me but also because I do find some of the basic tenets to be anathema to me.
Of the three major Abrahamic faiths, the best thing Christianity had going for it is that its founder didn't have any political power, so wanted to keep politics out of religion.
He took a basket case country to being the dominant country in Europe, occupying most of it within a few years of taking power, even Napoleon never managed that.
Hitler’s Germany was a lot like the British Empire, which easily segues into the British concentration camps during the Boer War.
History is truly written by the victors.
I would only say this - since I have stuff to do - that the debt which Western values owe to Christianity and Judaism is far deeper than those who are atheist, humanist, agnostic or some other faith often allow. The concept of human rights and, indeed, the form of human rights we in the West like to think of as universal did not just come from nowhere.
And, second, there is a form of liberal intolerance to different views, a view that there is only a limited range of "received opinions" which are acceptable which is, in its own way, quite as illiberal and damaging to freedom of thought and inquiry as that which it so often criticises.
Anyway, off to think about dinner.
Have a nice evening all.
In your view, do Western values have no debt to Islam?
Bonus question: Were the values codified into Judaisim/Christianity not universal/human?
I'd be curious of any human rights that can be traced back specifically to the first Millenia of Christianity being dominant (ie 4th to 13th century).
A Hitler who was not anti-Semitic, who did not invade Russia, and who concentrated on restoring German power, would have been rather like Bismarck.
Just none we can use on PB without upsetting our long suffering moderator.
I'd say the big moral advance made by the Christians was to put forward the view that pity, mercy, and charity were all good things in themselves.
Also, like DavidL I am confused at this in concert with the BrexitisRight tracker. More evidence polls or just the people do not know a damn thing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=or6KGFuA7Zs
There is, however, a biblical prohibition on mixing wool and flax, for example.
Juliet Huddy said Mr Trump made the move in a lift after the pair had lunch in Trump Tower in either 2005 or 2006. Mr Trump married Melania in January 2005.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/09/ex-fox-news-anchor-donald-trump-tried-kiss-lift/
I’d think of the difference between Concentration Camps, Camps of Concentration and neglect vs a deliberate death policy.
You flaunt your history knowledge but you don’t half come across as a first year undergraduate at times.
Also of course plunder across Europe - I take it you are including the theft of the property of Germany's Jews?
It’s like Mr Meeks regretting the lack of a cerebral debate about Brexit (a view with which I agree). Most people react to stimulus rather than lead in their thoughts and behaviours. The ones how don’t are the leaders, opinion formers etc. For what it’s worth, May I think generally falls into the react not lead camp. In short she’s closer to the public than David Cameron which ironically makes her a terrible PM.