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  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,910
    edited November 2017
    Thirst.

    Let's Make America Weak Again.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,287
    Second!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,069
    Nice cartoon, Miss Marf.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,501
    Sums things up nicely.

    Surely Trump can be impeached on grounds of not defending the Constitution, once the Dems have swept the board in 2018?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,820
    Gives a whole new meaning to 'in office but not in power'.
    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/936278319745699841
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Is the twitter bird supposed to be any particular species? There certainly seem to be a lot of tweets from cuckoos.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,501
    williamglenn said:

    Gives a whole new meaning to 'in office but not in power'.
    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/936278319745699841

    isn't this the same story as the Whitehouse?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,287
    edited November 2017
    FPT:
    Sandpit said:


    I believe Blackjack is still the best standard casino game to play, from the view of a punter informed on genuine play strategy, without doing stuff like counting cards. The rules that constrain the dealer to stick or twist on certain numbers actually give a slight advantage to a good player.

    Yes, the best game by some margin. But the strategy only reduces the house advantage, there is none that can turn this into a player advantage without card counting.

    Nevertheless it's worth anyone intending to visit a casino taking the trouble to learn at least the basic strategy, since it offers a chance to enjoy an evening there without losing too much, on average. If the casino offers free food or drink, so much the better.

    Edit/ it's also option, if time consuming, to win a little money on the Internet. There are plenty of "new player bonuses" around from online casinos, which you can only withdraw after playing a fair few hours of games. Optimum strategy at Blackjack is pretty much the only way of turning this bonus into actual cash before it is whittled away by the house advantage.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,334
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Is the twitter bird supposed to be any particular species? There certainly seem to be a lot of tweets from cuckoos.

    A mountain bluebird
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,510
    That’s a very good cartoon, Ms Richler. :+1:
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,910
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Is the twitter bird supposed to be any particular species? There certainly seem to be a lot of tweets from cuckoos.

    Surely seagulls? Millions of the bu**ers, they steal cr@p food off people, and sh*t over everyone.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,510
    Mr @JosiasJessop, you’ve spent four hours a day walking for the past month?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,501
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Is the twitter bird supposed to be any particular species? There certainly seem to be a lot of tweets from cuckoos.

    Not supposed to be a particular bird.

    The original s/w was known as 'Status'. The team decided to rename it, based around a sound that sounded like a mobile buzzing. They came up with 'Twitch'. It wasn't quite right so they just looked for words around 'twitch' in the dictionary and so found twitter - "chirps from birds" and "short burst of inconsequential information".

    The latter is simply hilarious given what social media has done to Western politics.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,334
    Resembling a mountain bluebird with a dash of hummingbird thrown in

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/magazine/who-made-that-twitter-bird.html
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,910
    Sandpit said:

    Mr @JosiasJessop, you’ve spent four hours a day walking for the past month?

    Well over five.

    I've got form when it comes to walking silly distances. Although usually I get somewhere when doing it ... ;)
  • MarfcartoonistMarfcartoonist Posts: 13
    (Thank you, Sandpit ... PB is a tough audience I respect so I appreciate your comment a lot.)
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,396
    The last thread didn't last long. Thank goodness!
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FF43 said:

    My reading of DUP statements today is that they want a veto on any eventual NI arrangements, than that they are potentially scuppering Article 50 Phase 2 outright.

    Well if the Norn Irish are going to scupper Brexit why not the North Britons?
    That day will come.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,254
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Is the twitter bird supposed to be any particular species? There certainly seem to be a lot of tweets from cuckoos.

    It's a secret.

    But he's called Larry.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/twitter-bird-has-a-name_n_1306405
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,510
    Marfcartoonist said:

    (Thank you, Sandpit ... PB is a tough audience I respect so I appreciate your comment a lot.)

    Your work is always appreciated here, even if a few people dissent from time to time.
    The job of a cartoonist is bloody difficult, and with the exception of Matt isn’t one that always brings daily praise. Good luck to you, please publicise sales or auctions of originals. :+1::D
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    Russell Simmons, the music mogul who co-founded Def Jam Records, has stepped down from his companies after being accused of sexual misconduct.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,864
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Russell Simmons, the music mogul who co-founded Def Jam Records, has stepped down from his companies after being accused of sexual misconduct.

    There's one famous British business person whose name I keep expecting to see. I suspect it is only a matter of time.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,254
    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Russell Simmons, the music mogul who co-founded Def Jam Records, has stepped down from his companies after being accused of sexual misconduct.

    There's one famous British business person whose name I keep expecting to see. I suspect it is only a matter of time.
    If it's the same one I'm thinking of, there's plenty to come out.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,108
    edited November 2017
    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Russell Simmons, the music mogul who co-founded Def Jam Records, has stepped down from his companies after being accused of sexual misconduct.

    There's one famous British business person whose name I keep expecting to see. I suspect it is only a matter of time.
    What about a famous rock star. Group, indeed, who may at some point have boasted of any number of sexual conquests, and for whom the idea of worrying about age was as foreign as I'm sure some of their groupies' nationalities?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,864
    MarqueeMark said:

    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Russell Simmons, the music mogul who co-founded Def Jam Records, has stepped down from his companies after being accused of sexual misconduct.

    There's one famous British business person whose name I keep expecting to see. I suspect it is only a matter of time.
    If it's the same one I'm thinking of, there's plenty to come out.
    Probably best we don't name names on here...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,108
    Sandpit said:

    Marfcartoonist said:

    (Thank you, Sandpit ... PB is a tough audience I respect so I appreciate your comment a lot.)

    Your work is always appreciated here, even if a few people dissent from time to time.
    The job of a cartoonist is bloody difficult, and with the exception of Matt isn’t one that always brings daily praise. Good luck to you, please publicise sales or auctions of originals. :+1::D
    haha I know you didn't mean it, but that is straight out of the David Brent book of how to not praise someone!

    "It's a difficult job you do and with the exception of Bill no one really does it well..."
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,254
    rcs1000 said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Russell Simmons, the music mogul who co-founded Def Jam Records, has stepped down from his companies after being accused of sexual misconduct.

    There's one famous British business person whose name I keep expecting to see. I suspect it is only a matter of time.
    If it's the same one I'm thinking of, there's plenty to come out.
    Probably best we don't name names on here...
    Hell no!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,864
    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Russell Simmons, the music mogul who co-founded Def Jam Records, has stepped down from his companies after being accused of sexual misconduct.

    There's one famous British business person whose name I keep expecting to see. I suspect it is only a matter of time.
    What about a famous rock star. Group, indeed, who may at some point have boasted of any number of sexual conquests, and for whom the idea of worrying about age was as foreign as I'm sure some of their groupies' nationalities?
    I could be wrong, but I suspect that most rock stars have to actively fight off the attentions of fans.

    It's one of the things that led me to a different career.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,910
    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Russell Simmons, the music mogul who co-founded Def Jam Records, has stepped down from his companies after being accused of sexual misconduct.

    There's one famous British business person whose name I keep expecting to see. I suspect it is only a matter of time.
    Well, there aren't that many famous businessmen, are there? I mean, people who are widely famous outside the business community. And perhaps the most famous, Branson, has some accusations against him already.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,910
    Off-topic:

    It looks like arstechnica.co.uk (which I know a fair few on here follow) might be dead. It hasn't been updated for a few days, and they've been having problems. :(

    The sad thing is if I try to go to the US site (.com) it redirects to the UK site, which hasn't been updated.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,603
    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,287
    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,603
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    JosiasJessop said:

    Sandpit said:

    Mr @JosiasJessop, you’ve spent four hours a day walking for the past month?

    Well over five.

    I've got form when it comes to walking silly distances. Although usually I get somewhere when doing it ... ;)
    That's not silly. Walking is a gift, and therapeutic. If more people walked we'd have fewer cars, less pollution. and a calmer healthier society.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,510
    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Russell Simmons, the music mogul who co-founded Def Jam Records, has stepped down from his companies after being accused of sexual misconduct.

    There's one famous British business person whose name I keep expecting to see. I suspect it is only a matter of time.
    There’s also one A-list actor-producer-director who’s name’s been everywhere for a few days, probably a bigger scalp than Weinstein. Well known already for minor misdemeanours...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,510
    JosiasJessop said:

    Sandpit said:

    Mr @JosiasJessop, you’ve spent four hours a day walking for the past month?

    Well over five.

    I've got form when it comes to walking silly distances. Although usually I get somewhere when doing it ... ;)
    Completely mad, but fair play to you.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,374
    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    "In Tower Hamlets and Newham, which are still selecting, candidates will have to contend with both Momentum and the East End’s racial politics." A bit like Leeds then.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,603
    SandyRentool said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    "In Tower Hamlets and Newham, which are still selecting, candidates will have to contend with both Momentum and the East End’s racial politics." A bit like Leeds then.
    Most probably.

    Momentum are using council selections as a dry run for MP selections which start next summer after the local elections and are likely to continue for 18 months.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2017
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    Labour could win the lot this time. (In Haringey).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,501
    HYUFD said:

    SandyRentool said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    "In Tower Hamlets and Newham, which are still selecting, candidates will have to contend with both Momentum and the East End’s racial politics." A bit like Leeds then.
    Most probably.

    Momentum are using council selections as a dry run for MP selections which start next summer after the local elections and are likely to continue for 18 months.
    Key marginal target seats are supposed to have selected by this Xmas.

    It has not happened in many cases, although some have e.g. Broxtowe.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,501
    JosiasJessop said:

    Off-topic:

    It looks like arstechnica.co.uk (which I know a fair few on here follow) might be dead. It hasn't been updated for a few days, and they've been having problems. :(

    The sad thing is if I try to go to the US site (.com) it redirects to the UK site, which hasn't been updated.

    Oh dear. Some Internet news/techie sites are struggling. Buzzfeed announced job losses yesterday.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,501
    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Russell Simmons, the music mogul who co-founded Def Jam Records, has stepped down from his companies after being accused of sexual misconduct.

    There's one famous British business person whose name I keep expecting to see. I suspect it is only a matter of time.
    What about a famous rock star. Group, indeed, who may at some point have boasted of any number of sexual conquests, and for whom the idea of worrying about age was as foreign as I'm sure some of their groupies' nationalities?
    You are not narrowing it down much. But anyway, there has to be a complaint though, in the first instance.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    rcs1000 said:

    I could be wrong, but I suspect that most rock stars have to actively fight off the attentions of fans.

    It's one of the things that led me to a different career.

    So your total lack of musical appreciation is just a front?

    Well played, sir...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,287
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    So that's a yes, then.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    Labour could win the lot this time. (In Haringey).
    Labour could also win most boroughs.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    SandyRentool said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    "In Tower Hamlets and Newham, which are still selecting, candidates will have to contend with both Momentum and the East End’s racial politics." A bit like Leeds then.
    Most probably.

    Momentum are using council selections as a dry run for MP selections which start next summer after the local elections and are likely to continue for 18 months.
    Key marginal target seats are supposed to have selected by this Xmas.

    It has not happened in many cases, although some have e.g. Broxtowe.
    It makes sense. There could be a government collapse at quite short notice. Best be prepared!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,501
    foxinsoxuk said:

    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    SandyRentool said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    "In Tower Hamlets and Newham, which are still selecting, candidates will have to contend with both Momentum and the East End’s racial politics." A bit like Leeds then.
    Most probably.

    Momentum are using council selections as a dry run for MP selections which start next summer after the local elections and are likely to continue for 18 months.
    Key marginal target seats are supposed to have selected by this Xmas.

    It has not happened in many cases, although some have e.g. Broxtowe.
    It makes sense. There could be a government collapse at quite short notice. Best be prepared!
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-set-to-miss-corbyn-christmas-deadline-for-selecting-76-target-marginal-seats_uk_5a1da185e4b06a14100a7008
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,603
    edited November 2017
    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    Labour could win the lot this time. (In Haringey).
    Labour could also win most boroughs.
    It already has, in 2014 Labour won 20 London boroughs, to 9 for the Tories and 1 for the LDs and 82 councils UK wide to 41 for the Tories and 6 for the LDs.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,603
    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    SandyRentool said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    "In Tower Hamlets and Newham, which are still selecting, candidates will have to contend with both Momentum and the East End’s racial politics." A bit like Leeds then.
    Most probably.

    Momentum are using council selections as a dry run for MP selections which start next summer after the local elections and are likely to continue for 18 months.
    Key marginal target seats are supposed to have selected by this Xmas.

    It has not happened in many cases, although some have e.g. Broxtowe.
    Though with the polls still almost neck and neck Labour are unlikely to win that many more marginal seats in a general election anytime soon, which is why it is MP reselections from next summer Momentum will be focusing on.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,910
    foxinsoxuk said:

    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    SandyRentool said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    "In Tower Hamlets and Newham, which are still selecting, candidates will have to contend with both Momentum and the East End’s racial politics." A bit like Leeds then.
    Most probably.

    Momentum are using council selections as a dry run for MP selections which start next summer after the local elections and are likely to continue for 18 months.
    Key marginal target seats are supposed to have selected by this Xmas.

    It has not happened in many cases, although some have e.g. Broxtowe.
    It makes sense. There could be a government collapse at quite short notice. Best be prepared!
    On the other hand, it might be best to take their time and actually pick candidates who aren't lazy, sexist and homophobic gits, like the dishonourable member for Sheffield Hallam.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    edited November 2017
    @JosiasJessop You should launch a Pokemon Go egg hatching business.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,910
    Pulpstar said:

    @JosiasJessop You should launch a Pokemon Go egg hatching business.

    ???

    This is an area of modern popular culture that has totally bypassed me. I've also missed out on Radiohead. Which should I look into first on my cultural education? ;)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,254
    HYUFD said:

    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    SandyRentool said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    "In Tower Hamlets and Newham, which are still selecting, candidates will have to contend with both Momentum and the East End’s racial politics." A bit like Leeds then.
    Most probably.

    Momentum are using council selections as a dry run for MP selections which start next summer after the local elections and are likely to continue for 18 months.
    Key marginal target seats are supposed to have selected by this Xmas.

    It has not happened in many cases, although some have e.g. Broxtowe.
    Though with the polls still almost neck and neck Labour are unlikely to win that many more marginal seats in a general election anytime soon, which is why it is MP reselections from next summer Momentum will be focusing on.
    The Council elections next spring will be interesting. Are the party rank and file going to let Momentum stand - instead of moderate long-standing Labour candidates known by the voters?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Pulpstar said:

    @JosiasJessop You should launch a Pokemon Go egg hatching business.

    @JohnRentoul: How do you get Pikachu onto a box?
    Pokemon.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,603
    MarqueeMark said:

    HYUFD said:

    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    SandyRentool said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    "In Tower Hamlets and Newham, which are still selecting, candidates will have to contend with both Momentum and the East End’s racial politics." A bit like Leeds then.
    Most probably.

    Momentum are using council selections as a dry run for MP selections which start next summer after the local elections and are likely to continue for 18 months.
    Key marginal target seats are supposed to have selected by this Xmas.

    It has not happened in many cases, although some have e.g. Broxtowe.
    Though with the polls still almost neck and neck Labour are unlikely to win that many more marginal seats in a general election anytime soon, which is why it is MP reselections from next summer Momentum will be focusing on.
    The Council elections next spring will be interesting. Are the party rank and file going to let Momentum stand - instead of moderate long-standing Labour candidates known by the voters?
    In London certainly it increasingly seems not, as Momentum takes over the chair and much of the active membership of local CLPs. Whether that trend expands to the rest of the country we will see, certainly the likes of Manchester and Liverpool must be targets too
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    Labour could win the lot this time. (In Haringey).
    Labour could also win most boroughs.
    It already has, in 2014 Labour won 20 London boroughs, to 9 for the Tories and 1 for the LDs and 82 councils UK wide to 41 for the Tories and 6 for the LDs.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014
    Many boroughs unthinkable in the last 30 years could fall.

    Barnet, Hillingdon, Wandsworth, even Westminster. Tower Hamlets should go back to Labour.

    LDs could win Richmond and Kingston & Surbiton.
  • MarfcartoonistMarfcartoonist Posts: 13
    Hi Morris_Dancer! Gosh, it's nice to see so many of you here .... had a scary time, Twitter-side. It did get my Twitter feed @marfcartoonist up and running for real, at last ....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    edited November 2017
    JosiasJessop said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @JosiasJessop You should launch a Pokemon Go egg hatching business.

    ???

    This is an area of modern popular culture that has totally bypassed me. I've also missed out on Radiohead. Which should I look into first on my cultural education? ;)
    50 p/kilometre/phone looks to be the going rate. It's below minimum wage if you only have one phone, but since you're walking anyway... :)

    As for Radiohead, I fear for your time on this site :open_mouth:
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Marfcartoonist said:

    Hi Morris_Dancer! Gosh, it's nice to see so many of you here .... had a scary time, Twitter-side. It did get my Twitter feed @marfcartoonist up and running for real, at last ....

    I have certainly learned a lot about political cartoonists from your Twitter travails. Some of the attitudes seem antediluvian.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,910
    Pulpstar said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @JosiasJessop You should launch a Pokemon Go egg hatching business.

    ???

    This is an area of modern popular culture that has totally bypassed me. I've also missed out on Radiohead. Which should I look into first on my cultural education? ;)
    50 p/kilometre/phone looks to be the going rate. It's below minimum wage if you only have one phone, but since you're walking anyway... :)
    Blooming 'eck. I might actually be interested in that, usual caveats notwithsanding. Where can I find out more, or is this a little leg-pull? At the very least it'd pay for train/bus fares back and food for the day.

    I'm cheap. Many people on here are interested in the thousands or millions they earn. I'm interested in 50p per km. ;)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,603
    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    Labour could win the lot this time. (In Haringey).
    Labour could also win most boroughs.
    It already has, in 2014 Labour won 20 London boroughs, to 9 for the Tories and 1 for the LDs and 82 councils UK wide to 41 for the Tories and 6 for the LDs.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014
    Many boroughs unthinkable in the last 30 years could fall.

    Barnet, Hillingdon, Wandsworth, even Westminster. Tower Hamlets should go back to Labour.

    LDs could win Richmond and Kingston & Surbiton.
    Barnet is unlikely to go because the Jewish vote is so anti Corbyn and all 3 Barnet seats stayed Tory in June, Uxbridge stayed Tory at the general election as did Cities of London and Westminster. Tower Hamlets would only go back to Labour by replacing a far left faction with a far left faction. Kensington may go to NOC after Grenfell, Wandsworth could go Labour but even there the Tories held Putney and had a good recent council by election result. Most of the swing boroughs in London are already Labour controlled.

    The LDs may win back Kingston and Surbiton which they won in June, though the fact Zac Goldsmith won his parliamentary seat back means Richmond Park is not a certain LD gain.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    LAB NEC vote opens today.

    Already voted I think 2 Momentum with Lansmann too close to call to squeak 3rd vs Izzard.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    edited November 2017
    JosiasJessop said:

    Pulpstar said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @JosiasJessop You should launch a Pokemon Go egg hatching business.

    ???

    This is an area of modern popular culture that has totally bypassed me. I've also missed out on Radiohead. Which should I look into first on my cultural education? ;)
    50 p/kilometre/phone looks to be the going rate. It's below minimum wage if you only have one phone, but since you're walking anyway... :)
    Blooming 'eck. I might actually be interested in that, usual caveats notwithsanding. Where can I find out more, or is this a little leg-pull? At the very least it'd pay for train/bus fares back and food for the day.

    I'm cheap. Many people on here are interested in the thousands or millions they earn. I'm interested in 50p per km. ;)
    Check yr private message (Click on your name)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,910
    bigjohnowls said:

    LAB NEC vote opens today.

    Already voted I think 2 Momentum with Lansmann too close to call to squeak 3rd vs Izzard.

    Do you see the Momentum takeover of Labour as good or bad ?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,910
    Pulpstar said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Pulpstar said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @JosiasJessop You should launch a Pokemon Go egg hatching business.

    ???

    This is an area of modern popular culture that has totally bypassed me. I've also missed out on Radiohead. Which should I look into first on my cultural education? ;)
    50 p/kilometre/phone looks to be the going rate. It's below minimum wage if you only have one phone, but since you're walking anyway... :)
    Blooming 'eck. I might actually be interested in that, usual caveats notwithsanding. Where can I find out more, or is this a little leg-pull? At the very least it'd pay for train/bus fares back and food for the day.

    I'm cheap. Many people on here are interested in the thousands or millions they earn. I'm interested in 50p per km. ;)
    Check yr private message (Click on your name)
    Thanks. That looks intriguing, if only because a couple of years ago I joked about people getting paid to go geocaching (which Pokomon Go seems uncannily like?)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    Good Lord, I'm in agreement with 'Socialist Worker' !

    https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/45741/Fracking+boss+calls+on+Tories+to+overrule+local+council
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,720
    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    Labour could win the lot this time. (In Haringey).
    Labour could also win most boroughs.
    It already has, in 2014 Labour won 20 London boroughs, to 9 for the Tories and 1 for the LDs and 82 councils UK wide to 41 for the Tories and 6 for the LDs.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014
    Many boroughs unthinkable in the last 30 years could fall.

    Barnet, Hillingdon, Wandsworth, even Westminster. Tower Hamlets should go back to Labour.

    LDs could win Richmond and Kingston & Surbiton.
    A lot of Londoners who vote Labour at Parliamentary level vote Green or for minor parties at local level.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    Labour could win the lot this time. (In Haringey).
    Labour could also win most boroughs.
    It already has, in 2014 Labour won 20 London boroughs, to 9 for the Tories and 1 for the LDs and 82 councils UK wide to 41 for the Tories and 6 for the LDs.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014
    Many boroughs unthinkable in the last 30 years could fall.

    Barnet, Hillingdon, Wandsworth, even Westminster. Tower Hamlets should go back to Labour.

    LDs could win Richmond and Kingston & Surbiton.
    Barnet is unlikely to go because the Jewish vote is so anti Corbyn and all 3 Barnet seats stayed Tory in June, Uxbridge stayed Tory at the general election as did Cities of London and Westminster. Tower Hamlets would only go back to Labour by replacing a far left faction with a far left faction. Kensington may go to NOC after Grenfell, Wandsworth could go Labour but even there the Tories held Putney and had a good recent council by election result. Most of the swing boroughs in London are already Labour controlled.

    The LDs may win back Kingston and Surbiton which they won in June, though the fact Zac Goldsmith won his parliamentary seat back means Richmond Park is not a certain LD gain.
    The 3 Barnet seats only just stayed Tory and it's likely Conservative-inclined voters are continuing to move out of the borough to places like Hertsmere and Watford.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,056
    Evening all :)

    A few points on London which may need repeating. The last London wide poll showed Labour 26 points ahead and further building on the impressive GE result in the capital.

    There's a fair point about whether this tide of voters will turn out for local contests but so far the Labour vote has looked very strong since the GE in the few local contests we have seen.

    22 weeks to go and it could all look very different of course.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    JosiasJessop said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    LAB NEC vote opens today.

    Already voted I think 2 Momentum with Lansmann too close to call to squeak 3rd vs Izzard.

    Do you see the Momentum takeover of Labour as good or bad ?
    I would like to see Corbyn have a majority on NEC.

    I have only ever attended 1 Momentum meeting and will not be attending again, have never been a Momentum member but believe Progress is the worse of the 2 evils and equally if not more factional.

    Their shananagans in my CLP has been disgraceful
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Sean_F said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    Labour could win the lot this time. (In Haringey).
    Labour could also win most boroughs.
    It already has, in 2014 Labour won 20 London boroughs, to 9 for the Tories and 1 for the LDs and 82 councils UK wide to 41 for the Tories and 6 for the LDs.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014
    Many boroughs unthinkable in the last 30 years could fall.

    Barnet, Hillingdon, Wandsworth, even Westminster. Tower Hamlets should go back to Labour.

    LDs could win Richmond and Kingston & Surbiton.
    A lot of Londoners who vote Labour at Parliamentary level vote Green or for minor parties at local level.

    That was true before Corbyn - but since this year's General Election showed Labour gobbling up the London Green vote, why wouldn't you expect the same to happen in the next local elections?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    bigjohnowls said:

    LAB NEC vote opens today.

    Already voted I think 2 Momentum with Lansmann too close to call to squeak 3rd vs Izzard.

    I think Momentum will sweep it, and I'd have thought Lansmann would do best as he's pretty well-known - I'd not come across the others on the slate before. Eddie Izzard has name recognition and an engaging manner (he canvassed for me) but I don't really think he has either a broad supporter base or a well-known platform: I can see him coming 4th but I doubt if he'll be in the frame to win. The general mood in the party outside the organised groups is that they want a united leadership to give Corbyn a fair chance:
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    NickPalmer said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    LAB NEC vote opens today.

    Already voted I think 2 Momentum with Lansmann too close to call to squeak 3rd vs Izzard.

    I think Momentum will sweep it, and I'd have thought Lansmann would do best as he's pretty well-known - I'd not come across the others on the slate before. Eddie Izzard has name recognition and an engaging manner (he canvassed for me) but I don't really think he has either a broad supporter base or a well-known platform: I can see him coming 4th but I doubt if he'll be in the frame to win. The general mood in the party outside the organised groups is that they want a united leadership to give Corbyn a fair chance:
    Progress were only 9k behind left slate last time.

    My sampling of the Left members shows JL is struggling due to his top down restructure of Momentum.

    Care for a small wager £20 from me says JL comes bottom of Momentum slate. You get 1st and no bet if he is 2nd on slate?

    I have voted for all 3 BTW
  • nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    bigjohnowls said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    LAB NEC vote opens today.

    Already voted I think 2 Momentum with Lansmann too close to call to squeak 3rd vs Izzard.

    Do you see the Momentum takeover of Labour as good or bad ?
    I would like to see Corbyn have a majority on NEC.

    I have only ever attended 1 Momentum meeting and will not be attending again, have never been a Momentum member but believe Progress is the worse of the 2 evils and equally if not more factional.

    Their shananagans in my CLP has been disgraceful
    I agree with this. I recently resigned from the labour party. Although I lean towards the right of the party, I always believed that Corbyn should be given a chance to prove himself and got fed up with the so called centrists obstructing his way at every turn. It actually got to the point where I was considering voting for the momentum candidates for the NEC elections last time around (in the end, I stopped voting).

    The right wing labour MP's and the various factions ( Principally Labour first, Progress) claim to represent 'voters' and moderate opinion, but in fact they have very little actual support inside or outside of the party. They just control large parts of the party machinery, but it is ebbing away.

    On the other hand, I have nothing at all in common politically with Momentum. I think their view of the world is too simple, and there is an aura of the mob about them. I couldn't even bring myself to actually vote for Labour in the last election, mainly due to Corbyn's stance on nuclear weapons.

    Momentum have saved the Labour party from its decline, but in the process of doing so it has killed the idea of the labour party as a broad church. I might vote for it, if they can get their act together, but isn't my party any more.

  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,056
    HYUFD said:

    Wandsworth could go Labour but even there the Tories held Putney and had a good recent council by election result. Most of the swing boroughs in London are already Labour controlled.

    Just worth taking this point on. Yes, Justine Greening just held on in Putney but Labour regained Battersea and held Tooting so you'd have to argue Labour moved forward.

    As for the recent Thamesfield by-election, well, yes. Thamesfield is, I believe, the safest Conservative seat in Wandsworth and the Conservatives won 60% of the vote in 2014. In the by election, they won 49% with the Labour vote advancing from 21 to 28% so I make that a 9% swing from Conservative to Labour.

    That would certainly make a number of Conservative seats vulnerable if repeated next year.



  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,374
    bigjohnowls said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    LAB NEC vote opens today.

    Already voted I think 2 Momentum with Lansmann too close to call to squeak 3rd vs Izzard.

    Do you see the Momentum takeover of Labour as good or bad ?
    I would like to see Corbyn have a majority on NEC.

    I have only ever attended 1 Momentum meeting and will not be attending again, have never been a Momentum member but believe Progress is the worse of the 2 evils and equally if not more factional.

    Their shananagans in my CLP has been disgraceful
    I am against all slates, parties within the party, one candidate telling me which other two I should vote for and various dodgy backroom deals to carve out who gets what.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,759
    SandyRentool said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    LAB NEC vote opens today.

    Already voted I think 2 Momentum with Lansmann too close to call to squeak 3rd vs Izzard.

    Do you see the Momentum takeover of Labour as good or bad ?
    I would like to see Corbyn have a majority on NEC.

    I have only ever attended 1 Momentum meeting and will not be attending again, have never been a Momentum member but believe Progress is the worse of the 2 evils and equally if not more factional.

    Their shananagans in my CLP has been disgraceful
    I am against all slates, parties within the party, one candidate telling me which other two I should vote for and various dodgy backroom deals to carve out who gets what.
    Slates are terrible. A cancer at the heart of Labour.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,864
    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    Labour could win the lot this time. (In Haringey).
    Labour could also win most boroughs.
    It already has, in 2014 Labour won 20 London boroughs, to 9 for the Tories and 1 for the LDs and 82 councils UK wide to 41 for the Tories and 6 for the LDs.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014
    Many boroughs unthinkable in the last 30 years could fall.

    Barnet, Hillingdon, Wandsworth, even Westminster. Tower Hamlets should go back to Labour.

    LDs could win Richmond and Kingston & Surbiton.
    Barnet is unlikely to go because the Jewish vote is so anti Corbyn and all 3 Barnet seats stayed Tory in June, Uxbridge stayed Tory at the general election as did Cities of London and Westminster. Tower Hamlets would only go back to Labour by replacing a far left faction with a far left faction. Kensington may go to NOC after Grenfell, Wandsworth could go Labour but even there the Tories held Putney and had a good recent council by election result. Most of the swing boroughs in London are already Labour controlled.

    The LDs may win back Kingston and Surbiton which they won in June, though the fact Zac Goldsmith won his parliamentary seat back means Richmond Park is not a certain LD gain.
    The London Borough of Richmond Upon Thames contains the constituencies of Twickenham and Richmond Park. Aggregating the votes from the General would suggest a LibDem gain, as their 9,800 majority there outweighs the Conservative's 45 vote one in Richmond Park.

    However, I have a theory that Zac is a proven vote loser, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Conservatives outperformed their General Election result in the Richmond Park part of the borough.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Wandsworth could go Labour but even there the Tories held Putney and had a good recent council by election result. Most of the swing boroughs in London are already Labour controlled.

    Just worth taking this point on. Yes, Justine Greening just held on in Putney but Labour regained Battersea and held Tooting so you'd have to argue Labour moved forward.

    As for the recent Thamesfield by-election, well, yes. Thamesfield is, I believe, the safest Conservative seat in Wandsworth and the Conservatives won 60% of the vote in 2014. In the by election, they won 49% with the Labour vote advancing from 21 to 28% so I make that a 9% swing from Conservative to Labour.

    That would certainly make a number of Conservative seats vulnerable if repeated next year.
    Just looked up Thamesfield - all boaters, croquet, and afternoon tea by the river.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,374
    Pulpstar said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Wandsworth could go Labour but even there the Tories held Putney and had a good recent council by election result. Most of the swing boroughs in London are already Labour controlled.

    Just worth taking this point on. Yes, Justine Greening just held on in Putney but Labour regained Battersea and held Tooting so you'd have to argue Labour moved forward.

    As for the recent Thamesfield by-election, well, yes. Thamesfield is, I believe, the safest Conservative seat in Wandsworth and the Conservatives won 60% of the vote in 2014. In the by election, they won 49% with the Labour vote advancing from 21 to 28% so I make that a 9% swing from Conservative to Labour.

    That would certainly make a number of Conservative seats vulnerable if repeated next year.
    Just looked up Thamesfield - all boaters, croquet, and afternoon tea by the river.
    The south's answer to Thornaby on Tees?
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    Labour could win the lot this time. (In Haringey).
    Labour could also win most boroughs.
    It already has, in 2014 Labour won 20 London boroughs, to 9 for the Tories and 1 for the LDs and 82 councils UK wide to 41 for the Tories and 6 for the LDs.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014
    Many boroughs unthinkable in the last 30 years could fall.

    Barnet, Hillingdon, Wandsworth, even Westminster. Tower Hamlets should go back to Labour.

    LDs could win Richmond and Kingston & Surbiton.
    Barnet is unlikely to go because the Jewish vote is so anti Corbyn and all 3 Barnet seats stayed Tory in June, Uxbridge stayed Tory at the general election as did Cities of London and Westminster. Tower Hamlets would only go back to Labour by replacing a far left faction with a far left faction. Kensington may go to NOC after Grenfell, Wandsworth could go Labour but even there the Tories held Putney and had a good recent council by election result. Most of the swing boroughs in London are already Labour controlled.

    The LDs may win back Kingston and Surbiton which they won in June, though the fact Zac Goldsmith won his parliamentary seat back means Richmond Park is not a certain LD gain.
    Before relying on Jewish voters being anti-Corbyn, we need to answer why Wes Streeting won Ilford North, which also has a large Jewish electorate. Barnet and environs have houses that vary from small mansions to mansions and I'd suggest that is why its inhabitants of all religions vote Tory and why Mrs Thatcher was MP for Finchley long before Corbyn entered parliament.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    Labour could win the lot this time. (In Haringey).
    Labour could also win most boroughs.
    It already has, in 2014 Labour won 20 London boroughs, to 9 for the Tories and 1 for the LDs and 82 councils UK wide to 41 for the Tories and 6 for the LDs.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014
    Many boroughs unthinkable in the last 30 years could fall.

    Barnet, Hillingdon, Wandsworth, even Westminster. Tower Hamlets should go back to Labour.

    LDs could win Richmond and Kingston & Surbiton.
    Barnet is unlikely to go because the Jewish vote is so anti Corbyn and all 3 Barnet seats stayed Tory in June, Uxbridge stayed Tory at the general election as did Cities of London and Westminster. Tower Hamlets would only go back to Labour by replacing a far left faction with a far left faction. Kensington may go to NOC after Grenfell, Wandsworth could go Labour but even there the Tories held Putney and had a good recent council by election result. Most of the swing boroughs in London are already Labour controlled.

    The LDs may win back Kingston and Surbiton which they won in June, though the fact Zac Goldsmith won his parliamentary seat back means Richmond Park is not a certain LD gain.
    The London Borough of Richmond Upon Thames contains the constituencies of Twickenham and Richmond Park. Aggregating the votes from the General would suggest a LibDem gain, as their 9,800 majority there outweighs the Conservative's 45 vote one in Richmond Park.

    However, I have a theory that Zac is a proven vote loser, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Conservatives outperformed their General Election result in the Richmond Park part of the borough.
    You don't like Zac do you :smiley:
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,720
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    Labour could win the lot this time. (In Haringey).
    Labour could also win most boroughs.
    It already has, in 2014 Labour won 20 London boroughs, to 9 for the Tories and 1 for the LDs and 82 councils UK wide to 41 for the Tories and 6 for the LDs.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014
    Many boroughs unthinkable in the last 30 years could fall.

    Barnet, Hillingdon, Wandsworth, even Westminster. Tower Hamlets should go back to Labour.

    LDs could win Richmond and Kingston & Surbiton.
    Barnet is unlikely to go because the Jewish vote is so anti Corbyn and all 3 Barnet seats stayed Tory in June, Uxbridge stayed Tory at the general election as did Cities of London and Westminster. Tower Hamlets would only go back to Labour by replacing a far left faction with a far left faction. Kensington may go to NOC after Grenfell, Wandsworth could go Labour but even there the Tories held Putney and had a good recent council by election result. Most of the swing boroughs in London are already Labour controlled.

    The LDs may win back Kingston and Surbiton which they won in June, though the fact Zac Goldsmith won his parliamentary seat back means Richmond Park is not a certain LD gain.
    Before relying on Jewish voters being anti-Corbyn, we need to answer why Wes Streeting won Ilford North, which also has a large Jewish electorate. Barnet and environs have houses that vary from small mansions to mansions and I'd suggest that is why its inhabitants of all religions vote Tory and why Mrs Thatcher was MP for Finchley long before Corbyn entered parliament.
    The Jewish electorate in Ilford Nortb is not large enough.

    In Hendon and Finchley & Golders Green, it is.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,864
    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    Labour could win the lot this time. (In Haringey).
    Labour could also win most boroughs.
    It already has, in 2014 Labour won 20 London boroughs, to 9 for the Tories and 1 for the LDs and 82 councils UK wide to 41 for the Tories and 6 for the LDs.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014
    Many boroughs unthinkable in the last 30 years could fall.

    Barnet, Hillingdon, Wandsworth, even Westminster. Tower Hamlets should go back to Labour.

    LDs could win Richmond and Kingston & Surbiton.
    Barnet is unlikely to go because the Jewish vote is so anti Corbyn and all 3 Barnet seats stayed Tory in June, Uxbridge stayed Tory at the general election as did Cities of London and Westminster. Tower Hamlets would only go back to Labour by replacing a far left faction with a far left faction. Kensington may go to NOC after Grenfell, Wandsworth could go Labour but even there the Tories held Putney and had a good recent council by election result. Most of the swing boroughs in London are already Labour controlled.

    The LDs may win back Kingston and Surbiton which they won in June, though the fact Zac Goldsmith won his parliamentary seat back means Richmond Park is not a certain LD gain.
    The London Borough of Richmond Upon Thames contains the constituencies of Twickenham and Richmond Park. Aggregating the votes from the General would suggest a LibDem gain, as their 9,800 majority there outweighs the Conservative's 45 vote one in Richmond Park.

    However, I have a theory that Zac is a proven vote loser, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Conservatives outperformed their General Election result in the Richmond Park part of the borough.
    You don't like Zac do you :smiley:
    Is it obvious?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    Labour could win the lot this time. (In Haringey).
    Labour could also win most boroughs.
    It already has, in 2014 Labour won 20 London boroughs, to 9 for the Tories and 1 for the LDs and 82 councils UK wide to 41 for the Tories and 6 for the LDs.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014
    Many boroughs unthinkable in the last 30 years could fall.

    Barnet, Hillingdon, Wandsworth, even Westminster. Tower Hamlets should go back to Labour.

    LDs could win Richmond and Kingston & Surbiton.
    Barnet is unlikely to go because the Jewish vote is so anti Corbyn and all 3 Barnet seats stayed Tory in June, Uxbridge stayed Tory at the general election as did Cities of London and Westminster. Tower Hamlets would only go back to Labour by replacing a far left faction with a far left faction. Kensington may go to NOC after Grenfell, Wandsworth could go Labour but even there the Tories held Putney and had a good recent council by election result. Most of the swing boroughs in London are already Labour controlled.

    The LDs may win back Kingston and Surbiton which they won in June, though the fact Zac Goldsmith won his parliamentary seat back means Richmond Park is not a certain LD gain.
    The London Borough of Richmond Upon Thames contains the constituencies of Twickenham and Richmond Park. Aggregating the votes from the General would suggest a LibDem gain, as their 9,800 majority there outweighs the Conservative's 45 vote one in Richmond Park.

    However, I have a theory that Zac is a proven vote loser, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Conservatives outperformed their General Election result in the Richmond Park part of the borough.
    You don't like Zac do you :smiley:
    Is it obvious?
    I voted for Zac...
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    So it looks like the America Senate might vote on the tax bill tonight. It's not even fully written, it has no scoring etc.

    It does however remove the individual mandate for Obamacare. Which would kill Obamacare. Republicans may finally kill Obamacare tonight.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,287
    edited November 2017
    Sean_F said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    .
    .
    It already has, and 6 for the LDs.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014
    Many boroughs unthinkable in the last 30 years could fall.

    Barnet, Hillingdon, Wandsworth, even Westminster. Tower Hamlets should go back to Labour.

    LDs could win Richmond and Kingston & Surbiton.
    Barnet is unlikely to go because the Jewish vote is so anti Corbyn and all 3 Barnet seats stayed Tory in June, Uxbridge stayed Tory at the general election as did Cities of London and Westminster. Tower Hamlets would only go back to Labour by replacing a far left faction with a far left faction. Kensington may go to NOC after Grenfell, Wandsworth could go Labour but even there the Tories held Putney and had a good recent council by election result. Most of the swing boroughs in London are already Labour controlled.

    The LDs may win back Kingston and Surbiton which they won in June, though the fact Zac Goldsmith won his parliamentary seat back means Richmond Park is not a certain LD gain.
    Before relying on Jewish voters being anti-Corbyn, we need to answer why Wes Streeting won Ilford North, which also has a large Jewish electorate. Barnet and environs have houses that vary from small mansions to mansions and I'd suggest that is why its inhabitants of all religions vote Tory and why Mrs Thatcher was MP for Finchley long before Corbyn entered parliament.
    The Jewish electorate in Ilford Nortb is not large enough.

    In Hendon and Finchley & Golders Green, it is.
    The Jewish electorate in Ilford North used to be bigger than Golders Green's. Today, not so much; many have died or moved away. Nevertheless Streeting has been assiduous in trying to put distance between himself and both Corbyn and Labour anti-semitism.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,154
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    Labour could win the lot this time. (In Haringey).
    Labour could also win most boroughs.
    It already has, in 2014 Labour won 20 London boroughs, to 9 for the Tories and 1 for the LDs and 82 councils UK wide to 41 for the Tories and 6 for the LDs.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014
    Many boroughs unthinkable in the last 30 years could fall.

    Barnet, Hillingdon, Wandsworth, even Westminster. Tower Hamlets should go back to Labour.

    LDs could win Richmond and Kingston & Surbiton.
    Barnet is unlikely to go because the Jewish vote is so anti Corbyn and all 3 Barnet seats stayed Tory in June, Uxbridge stayed Tory at the general election as did Cities of London and Westminster. Tower Hamlets would only go back to Labour by replacing a far left faction with a far left faction. Kensington may go to NOC after Grenfell, Wandsworth could go Labour but even there the Tories held Putney and had a good recent council by election result. Most of the swing boroughs in London are already Labour controlled.

    The LDs may win back Kingston and Surbiton which they won in June, though the fact Zac Goldsmith won his parliamentary seat back means Richmond Park is not a certain LD gain.
    The London Borough of Richmond Upon Thames contains the constituencies of Twickenham and Richmond Park. Aggregating the votes from the General would suggest a LibDem gain, as their 9,800 majority there outweighs the Conservative's 45 vote one in Richmond Park.

    However, I have a theory that Zac is a proven vote loser, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Conservatives outperformed their General Election result in the Richmond Park part of the borough.
    You don't like Zac do you :smiley:
    Is it obvious?
    You hide it almost as well as I hide my deep loathing and contempt for Jeremy Corbyn.
  • MarfcartoonistMarfcartoonist Posts: 13
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Marfcartoonist said:

    Hi Morris_Dancer! Gosh, it's nice to see so many of you here .... had a scary time, Twitter-side. It did get my Twitter feed @marfcartoonist up and running for real, at last ....

    I have certainly learned a lot about political cartoonists from your Twitter travails. Some of the attitudes seem antediluvian.
    Oh yes! I tried everything - logic, banter, more jokes, sincerity, a bit of historical knowledge. For those of you who didn't know - the world of political cartooning is a bit, er, old-fashioned.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,254
    Watching I, Tonya.

    Look out for Alison Janney being up for awards for her role as the mother..... CJ she ain't!
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    Labour could win the lot this time. (In Haringey).
    Labour could also win most boroughs.
    It already has, in 2014 Labour won 20 London boroughs, to 9 for the Tories and 1 for the LDs and 82 councils UK wide to 41 for the Tories and 6 for the LDs.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014
    Many boroughs unthinkable in the last 30 years could fall.

    Barnet, Hillingdon, Wandsworth, even Westminster. Tower Hamlets should go back to Labour.

    LDs could win Richmond and Kingston & Surbiton.
    Barnet is unlikely to go because the Jewish vote is so anti Corbyn and all 3 Barnet seats stayed Tory in June, Uxbridge stayed Tory at the general election as did Cities of London and Westminster. Tower Hamlets would only go back to Labour by replacing a far left faction with a far left faction. Kensington may go to NOC after Grenfell, Wandsworth could go Labour but even there the Tories held Putney and had a good recent council by election result. Most of the swing boroughs in London are already Labour controlled.

    The LDs may win back Kingston and Surbiton which they won in June, though the fact Zac Goldsmith won his parliamentary seat back means Richmond Park is not a certain LD gain.
    The London Borough of Richmond Upon Thames contains the constituencies of Twickenham and Richmond Park. Aggregating the votes from the General would suggest a LibDem gain, as their 9,800 majority there outweighs the Conservative's 45 vote one in Richmond Park.

    However, I have a theory that Zac is a proven vote loser, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Conservatives outperformed their General Election result in the Richmond Park part of the borough.
    Both Wandsworth and Richmond could go because of local issues.

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,287
    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Momentum set to seize control of Haringey council after next May's elections following a purge of moderate councillors in selection battles and their replacement by Corbynistas
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbynistas-purge-of-moderates-in-london-gathers-momentum-a3706166.html

    Any sensible resident of Haringey should vote LibDem. There being no Tories there, at all.
    Labour won 48 seats and the LDs 9 in Haringey last time
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    Labour could win the lot this time. (In Haringey).
    Labour could also win most boroughs.
    It already has, in 2014 Labour won 20 London boroughs, to 9 for the Tories and 1 for the LDs and 82 councils UK wide to 41 for the Tories and 6 for the LDs.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014
    Many boroughs unthinkable in the last 30 years could fall.

    Barnet, Hillingdon, Wandsworth, even Westminster. Tower Hamlets should go back to Labour.

    LDs could win Richmond and Kingston & Surbiton.
    Barnet is unlikely to go because the Jewish vote is so anti Corbyn and all 3 Barnet seats stayed Tory in June, Uxbridge stayed Tory at the general election as did Cities of London and Westminster. Tower Hamlets would only go back to Labour by replacing a far left faction with a far left faction. Kensington may go to NOC after Grenfell, Wandsworth could go Labour but even there the Tories held Putney and had a good recent council by election result. Most of the swing boroughs in London are already Labour controlled.

    The LDs may win back Kingston and Surbiton which they won in June, though the fact Zac Goldsmith won his parliamentary seat back means Richmond Park is not a certain LD gain.
    I would expect Barnet to fall to Labour this time. Kensington will stay Tory unless this new centerist Advance party takes off; the Tories otherwise have enough seats in the south of the Borough that will never go Labour, even as Labour surely sweeps Kensington North (although the new MP might best be advised to book a long holiday next spring). Wandsworth will stay Tory but their majority will be (further) reduced. LDs will take Kingston with a better-than-evens chance of Richmond. Elsewhere Labour will pretty much sweep the board, except Havering, Bromley and Westminster.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,287
    SandyRentool said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    LAB NEC vote opens today.

    Already voted I think 2 Momentum with Lansmann too close to call to squeak 3rd vs Izzard.

    Do you see the Momentum takeover of Labour as good or bad ?
    I would like to see Corbyn have a majority on NEC.

    I have only ever attended 1 Momentum meeting and will not be attending again, have never been a Momentum member but believe Progress is the worse of the 2 evils and equally if not more factional.

    Their shananagans in my CLP has been disgraceful
    I am against all slates, parties within the party, one candidate telling me which other two I should vote for and various dodgy backroom deals to carve out who gets what.
    STV is the antidote to slates.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,154
    IanB2 said:

    SandyRentool said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    LAB NEC vote opens today.

    Already voted I think 2 Momentum with Lansmann too close to call to squeak 3rd vs Izzard.

    Do you see the Momentum takeover of Labour as good or bad ?
    I would like to see Corbyn have a majority on NEC.

    I have only ever attended 1 Momentum meeting and will not be attending again, have never been a Momentum member but believe Progress is the worse of the 2 evils and equally if not more factional.

    Their shananagans in my CLP has been disgraceful
    I am against all slates, parties within the party, one candidate telling me which other two I should vote for and various dodgy backroom deals to carve out who gets what.
    STV is the antidote to slates.
    Concrete tiles did more to finish them off actually...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,287
    edited November 2017
    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    SandyRentool said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    LAB NEC vote opens today.

    Already voted I think 2 Momentum with Lansmann too close to call to squeak 3rd vs Izzard.

    Do you see the Momentum takeover of Labour as good or bad ?
    I would like to see Corbyn have a majority on NEC.

    I have only ever attended 1 Momentum meeting and will not be attending again, have never been a Momentum member but believe Progress is the worse of the 2 evils and equally if not more factional.

    Their shananagans in my CLP has been disgraceful
    I am against all slates, parties within the party, one candidate telling me which other two I should vote for and various dodgy backroom deals to carve out who gets what.
    STV is the antidote to slates.
    Concrete tiles did more to finish them off actually...
    Fibre cement, surely? Except that they only last for about a third as many years.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,154
    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    SandyRentool said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    LAB NEC vote opens today.

    Already voted I think 2 Momentum with Lansmann too close to call to squeak 3rd vs Izzard.

    Do you see the Momentum takeover of Labour as good or bad ?
    I would like to see Corbyn have a majority on NEC.

    I have only ever attended 1 Momentum meeting and will not be attending again, have never been a Momentum member but believe Progress is the worse of the 2 evils and equally if not more factional.

    Their shananagans in my CLP has been disgraceful
    I am against all slates, parties within the party, one candidate telling me which other two I should vote for and various dodgy backroom deals to carve out who gets what.
    STV is the antidote to slates.
    Concrete tiles did more to finish them off actually...
    Fibre cement, surely? Except that they only last for about a third as many years.
    As many as that?

    Mind you the tiles on my father's house are still there after 50 years.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,910
    edited November 2017
    Off-topic:

    The Russians lost a rocket earlier in the week when its third stage (Fregat) failed. It looks like it may have been caused by a rather embarrassing software error:

    ... the Fregat's flight control system did not have the correct settings for a mission launching from the country's new Vostochny cosmodrome. It evidently was still programmed for Baikonur, or one of Russia's other spaceports capable of launching the workhorse Soyuz vehicle. Essentially, then, after the Fregat vehicle separated from the Soyuz rocket, it was unable to find its correct orientation. Therefore, when the Fregat first fired its engines to boost the satellites into orbit, it was still trying to correct this orientation—and was in fact aimed downward toward Earth. This set the spacecraft on its fatal trajectory into the planet's atmosphere.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/11/this-weeks-failed-russian-rocket-had-a-pretty-bad-programming-error/

    Reminds me of the issue they had with their no-it-really-isnt-a-weapons-platform Polyrus satellite back in 1987.

    Ooops. Russian rocket science is not in a healthy state atm.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,154
    edited November 2017
    JosiasJessop said:

    Off-topic:

    The Russians lost a rocket earlier in the week when its third stage (Fregat) failed. It looks like it may have been caused by a rather embarrassing software error:

    >... the Fregat's flight control system did not have the correct settings for a mission launching from the country's new Vostochny cosmodrome. It evidently was still programmed for Baikonur, or one of Russia's other spaceports capable of launching the workhorse Soyuz vehicle. Essentially, then, after the Fregat vehicle separated from the Soyuz rocket, it was unable to find its correct orientation. Therefore, when the Fregat first fired its engines to boost the satellites into orbit, it was still trying to correct this orientation—and was in fact aimed downward toward Earth. This set the spacecraft on its fatal trajectory into the planet's atmosphere.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/11/this-weeks-failed-russian-rocket-had-a-pretty-bad-programming-error/

    Reminds me of the issue they had with their no-it-really-isnt-a-weapons-platform Polyrus satellite back in 1987.

    Ooops. Russian rocket science is not in a healthy state atm.

    Sounds like a more spectacular version of Mariner 1 actually.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,910
    ydoethur said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Off-topic:

    The Russians lost a rocket earlier in the week when its third stage (Fregat) failed. It looks like it may have been caused by a rather embarrassing software error:

    >... the Fregat's flight control system did not have the correct settings for a mission launching from the country's new Vostochny cosmodrome. It evidently was still programmed for Baikonur, or one of Russia's other spaceports capable of launching the workhorse Soyuz vehicle. Essentially, then, after the Fregat vehicle separated from the Soyuz rocket, it was unable to find its correct orientation. Therefore, when the Fregat first fired its engines to boost the satellites into orbit, it was still trying to correct this orientation—and was in fact aimed downward toward Earth. This set the spacecraft on its fatal trajectory into the planet's atmosphere.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/11/this-weeks-failed-russian-rocket-had-a-pretty-bad-programming-error/

    Reminds me of the issue they had with their no-it-really-isnt-a-weapons-platform Polyrus satellite back in 1987.

    Ooops. Russian rocket science is not in a healthy state atm.

    Sounds like a more spectacular version of Mariner 1 actually.
    Sort of, but IIRC Mariner 1 was totally out of control. In this case and Polyrus, the rockets deliberately fired towards the ground. That takes special skill. :)

    Polyrus was cool, and an indication of how desperate the USSR was to keep up with the US's Star Wars program.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,374
    IanB2 said:

    SandyRentool said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    LAB NEC vote opens today.

    Already voted I think 2 Momentum with Lansmann too close to call to squeak 3rd vs Izzard.

    Do you see the Momentum takeover of Labour as good or bad ?
    I would like to see Corbyn have a majority on NEC.

    I have only ever attended 1 Momentum meeting and will not be attending again, have never been a Momentum member but believe Progress is the worse of the 2 evils and equally if not more factional.

    Their shananagans in my CLP has been disgraceful
    I am against all slates, parties within the party, one candidate telling me which other two I should vote for and various dodgy backroom deals to carve out who gets what.
    STV is the antidote to slates.
    That must be why we don't use it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,154
    JosiasJessop said:

    Sort of, but IIRC Mariner 1 was totally out of control. In this case and Polyrus, the rockets deliberately fired towards the ground. That takes special skill. :)

    Kim Jong Un has been industriously developing that skill. As indeed has every rocket scientist since Werner Von Braun.

    It would be mildly amusing however if Kim ended by aiming a test at himself.
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