Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
It has finally dawned on them what a no deal Brexit means.
She sneers and shouts across the ballot box, but there's no substance there. Just looks nasty and hectoring. Questions were crap, no incision. Even the useless Damien Green had no trouble swatting her away.
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
It has finally dawned on them what a no deal Brexit means.
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
It is the last refuge of the hard-of-thinking on this board to do a "PB was saying then/is saying now" straw man. The leaver most articulate on this, rcs1000, has said throughout that obviously and boringly there are accounts to be settled, future liabilities dealt with, etc etc. and I don't recall anyone disagreeing. "Shouldn't get a bean" was Boris, not a poster on here. edit: and even Boris limited it to "extortionate" final payments.
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
It has finally dawned on them what a no deal Brexit means.
I don't understand why people are banging on about this settlement, it's just closing out open account with the EU. Staying in would make the liability unlimited as we are a net contributor.
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
It has finally dawned on them what a no deal Brexit means.
I hope she has some better targeted questions down the page
This is Labour's best hope?
Some researcher dug out his seventeen year old PMQ and some facts about his local hospital, and Emily failed to stitch them together into a hard hitting line of attack. The first question was totally wasted - she should just have hit him with his old question from the start.
Or, been less keen to pull a stunt and come up with some direct topical questions.
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
It is the last refuge of the hard-of-thinking on this board to do a "PB was saying then/is saying now" straw man. The leaver most articulate on this, rcs1000, has said throughout that obviously and boringly there are accounts to be settled, future liabilities dealt with, etc etc. and I don't recall anyone disagreeing. "Shouldn't get a bean" was Boris, not a poster on here. edit: and even Boris limited it to "extortionate" final payments.
Never mentioned on here? We can add amnesia to hypocrisy, xenophobia and economic illiteracy.
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
It has finally dawned on them what a no deal Brexit means.
A disaster for the economy and Corbyn as PM.
This is a good day for Hammond presumably.
A good day for the country too.
Hmmm. Still the quantum Irish Border issue.
We'll shaft Northern Ireland like Thatcher did with the Anglo-Irish agreement.
I don't understand why people are banging on about this settlement, it's just closing out open account with the EU. Staying in would make the liability unlimited as we are a net contributor.
A lot of this is grandstanding by Brexiteers like Boris, who wish to virtue signal to the Tory membership ready for leader election imho.
They don't really care two hoots what the actual number is.
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
It has finally dawned on them what a no deal Brexit means.
A disaster for the economy and Corbyn as PM.
This is a good day for Hammond presumably.
A good day for the country too.
Hmmm. Still the quantum Irish Border issue.
Not really, it looks as though the EU are happy to proceed without an agreement in advance.
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
And this makes it so much more difficult for the government to resist demands for increased public expenditure on things the voters really care about. They are now saying that we can pay the EU £50bn but there's nothing for nurses, police, defence etc etc etc.
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
It has finally dawned on them what a no deal Brexit means.
A disaster for the economy and Corbyn as PM.
This is a good day for Hammond presumably.
A good day for the country too.
Hmmm. Still the quantum Irish Border issue.
Not really, it looks as though the EU are happy to proceed without an agreement in advance.
Because it’s impossible to define the border before we know the trade relationship between the UK and EU. Common sense finally prevailing.
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
It has finally dawned on them what a no deal Brexit means.
A disaster for the economy and Corbyn as PM.
This is a good day for Hammond presumably.
A good day for the country too.
Hmmm. Still the quantum Irish Border issue.
We'll shaft Northern Ireland like Thatcher did with the Anglo-Irish agreement.
They'll get upset, but no one else will care.
Never wise to upset people with caches of rifles and high explosive, and the will to use them. (as I believe Mr Brooke has mentioned before)
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
And this makes it so much more difficult for the government to resist demands for increased public expenditure on things the voters really care about. They are now saying that we can pay the EU £50bn but there's nothing for nurses, police, defence etc etc etc.
Yes but we’re not writing a cheque for that amount, and the payments over time will represent a significant reduction in payments to the EU, therefore allowing more money to be allocated to other government spending or tax cuts.
A sensible Chancellor will make sure that by the time of the next election he can point to the £350m a week increase in the NHS budget since the Brexit vote.
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
It has finally dawned on them what a no deal Brexit means.
A disaster for the economy and Corbyn as PM.
This is a good day for Hammond presumably.
A good day for the country too.
Hmmm. Still the quantum Irish Border issue.
Not really, it looks as though the EU are happy to proceed without an agreement in advance.
Because it’s impossible to define the border before we know the trade relationship between the UK and EU. Common sense finally prevailing.
So why did David Davis agree to this sequencing of the talks?
It doesn't speak well about his competence.
I worry that in the final Brexit deal David Davis will sign the UK up to the single currency and Schengen.
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
It has finally dawned on them what a no deal Brexit means.
A disaster for the economy and Corbyn as PM.
This is a good day for Hammond presumably.
A good day for the country too.
Hmmm. Still the quantum Irish Border issue.
We'll shaft Northern Ireland like Thatcher did with the Anglo-Irish agreement.
They'll get upset, but no one else will care.
Never wise to upset people with caches of rifles and high explosive, and the will to use them. (as I believe Mr Brooke has mentioned before)
So the Unionists aren't very loyal to the Crown and will resort to violence?
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
It has finally dawned on them what a no deal Brexit means.
A disaster for the economy and Corbyn as PM.
This is a good day for Hammond presumably.
A good day for the country too.
Hmmm. Still the quantum Irish Border issue.
Not really, it looks as though the EU are happy to proceed without an agreement in advance.
Because it’s impossible to define the border before we know the trade relationship between the UK and EU. Common sense finally prevailing.
So why did David Davis agree to this sequencing of the talks?
It doesn't speak well about his competence.
I worry that in the final Brexit deal David Davis will sign the UK up to the single currency and Schengen.
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
And this makes it so much more difficult for the government to resist demands for increased public expenditure on things the voters really care about. They are now saying that we can pay the EU £50bn but there's nothing for nurses, police, defence etc etc etc.
Part of the money is in pension liabilities, which will be paid over the next 25-40 years. The rest will paid until we leave and during any transition period. I'd be surprised if our annual net contribution to the EU actually increased over the next 4-5 years. It might even go down and eventually come to an end, or be massively reduced if we only stay in a few programmes.
So we shouldn’t sell things to people who might use them?
The products are going to be bought anyway, so do we sell them ourselves or do we let someone else sell them instead?
If a particular conflight was problematic, then the UN is the body that will intervene. SNP MPs ironically supporting the Iran-equipped Yemeni rebels doesn’t really cut it.
Off-topic: I just took a quick trip out to my local shop, wearing cream trousers. On the way I passed the local playground, where a council worker was busy pressure washing the cork flooring. As I passed on the footpath outside the playground, the wash got me, covering (literally) my trousers, coats and hand with muck.
He had sorry and I continued on my way. What intrigues me was the reaction to this by an older gentleman who saw this happen: he stopped me and said: "you should sue the council."
Okay, so I need to do some washing now. But sue the council? What the f***?
In addition, it was partially my fault. I could see he was doing some work, and could have diverted off the path - but I didn't want to risk getting my nice trousers dirty on the wet and potentially muddy grass.
Why is the first reaction to sue when something goes even minorly wrong?
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
It has finally dawned on them what a no deal Brexit means.
A disaster for the economy and Corbyn as PM.
This is a good day for Hammond presumably.
A good day for the country too.
Hmmm. Still the quantum Irish Border issue.
We'll shaft Northern Ireland like Thatcher did with the Anglo-Irish agreement.
They'll get upset, but no one else will care.
Never wise to upset people with caches of rifles and high explosive, and the will to use them. (as I believe Mr Brooke has mentioned before)
So the Unionists aren't very loyal to the Crown and will resort to violence?
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
And this makes it so much more difficult for the government to resist demands for increased public expenditure on things the voters really care about. They are now saying that we can pay the EU £50bn but there's nothing for nurses, police, defence etc etc etc.
Its worse than that. The government is continuing to cut the budget for the likes of the police. Because we don't have any money. I think it was Charles* the other day suggesting that the Tories beastliness towards the disabled was financial necessity. There is always money available is their message. Just not for the likes of you.
Not the best electoral message is it? Hence their last remaining hope being to portray Corbyn as a crap commie. Because if people decide they've cried wolf one too many times on the "Labour are commie" front, that's their last defence gone.
So we shouldn’t sell things to people who might use them?
The products are going to be bought anyway, so do we sell them ourselves or do we let someone else sell them instead?
The other realpolitik issue is that if the western allies don't sell it to them then the Russians will, losing us yet more tangible influence in the Middle East. Like it or not we have to deal with the world we have, not the one we want.
"Donald Trump's Twitter account has retweeted three inflammatory videos from a British far-right group. The first tweet from Jayda Fransen, the deputy leader of Britain First, claims to show a Muslim migrant attacking a man on crutches. This was followed by two more videos of people Ms Fransen claims to be Muslim. Britain First was founded in 2011 by former members of the far-right British National Party (BNP)." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42166663
So what did Theresa's trip to the whitehouse & speech to the GOP achieve, exactly?
Probably more than Tony Blair's trips to Bush in the run up to the Iraq war.
She needs to do one of her polished setpiece speeches condemning intolerance and those who incite violence. Make clear the special relationship is between the British & American people, including ordinary Muslims in both countries and we will not be divided. etc etc. A white supremacist US president cannot be allowed to freely shitstir in our domestic politics without comment from the PM.
So we shouldn’t sell things to people who might use them?
The products are going to be bought anyway, so do we sell them ourselves or do we let someone else sell them instead?
The other realpolitik issue is that if the western allies don't sell it to them then the Russians will, losing us yet more tangible influence in the Middle East. Like it or not we have to deal with the world we have, not the one we want.
Yup!
There’s also signs of serious social change afoot in Saudi as they deal with decreasing oil revenues. We should be encouraging that change in any way that we can.
So why did David Davis agree to this sequencing of the talks?
It doesn't speak well about his competence.
I have a hunch (nothing more than that, to be clear) that he was overruled on the sequencing point. It would explain why he suddenly switched from 'row of the summer' to accepting the EU position.
From the outside, he seems to be handling the negotiations quite competently, given the huge constraints and the parliamentary arithmetic. Look on the bright side - we might have had Liam Fox or Boris negotiating for us.
Just put a few quid on Joe Kennedy for Dem candidate for POTUS 2020. Not spectacular odds - 12 on BF sportsbook (exchange doesn't even feature him).
Unlikely at this stage of his career, but just a little feeling I have. DYOR.
He would have to win a Senate seat first and that is unlikely unless Warren is Democratic nominee in 2020 or Sanders' VP nominee. He could then be a contender in 2024 or 2028
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
And this makes it so much more difficult for the government to resist demands for increased public expenditure on things the voters really care about. They are now saying that we can pay the EU £50bn but there's nothing for nurses, police, defence etc etc etc.
Yes but we’re not writing a cheque for that amount, and the payments over time will represent a significant reduction in payments to the EU, therefore allowing more money to be allocated to other government spending or tax cuts.
A sensible Chancellor will make sure that by the time of the next election he can point to the £350m a week increase in the NHS budget since the Brexit vote.
The Brexit-induced slowdown in UK economic growth - at a time when world growth is increasing - will deprive the Treasury of far more revenue than the current level of EU contributions. And if the UK wants a 2-year no change transition the EU will insist on no change to the current economic relationship, budget contributions included.
No we are moving onto trade talks by the end of the year, despite endless diehard Remainer whinging we were crashing out without a deal
And how well do you think those trade talks are going to go for us given that we've capitulated on every aspect of the negotiations so far?
The problem with leaving the EU is not the exit bill - which is trivial compared to annual GDP, it's the economic damage the crap trade deal we are going to get will cause.
The deal will end free movement, that is the only acceptable trade deal, any trade deal leaving free movement in place e.g. staying in the single market, would be completely unacceptable and disrespect the Leave vote
The question on the ballot paper was: Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the EU or Leave the EU.
The EEA wasn't mentioned. Nor was Freedom of Movement. Campaigns are just that, they constrain nothing. However, the Conservative manifesto is an element in how the deal must be made, because they were elected on the back of it. However, if they don't make it to the end of the talks, all bets are off except 'not being a member of the EU'. At least without another referendum.
Its worse than that. The government is continuing to cut the budget for the likes of the police. Because we don't have any money. I think it was Charles* the other day suggesting that the Tories beastliness towards the disabled was financial necessity. There is always money available is their message. Just not for the likes of you.
Not the best electoral message is it?
Maybe not. But these were already UK obligations - we would have paid them at some stage if we remained in the EU.
If 50bn euros is a deal struck, that's right at the bottom end of possible interpretations of our legal commitments (a range of approx. 25-65bn, plus 20bn for transition).
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
It has finally dawned on them what a no deal Brexit means.
A disaster for the economy and Corbyn as PM.
This is a good day for Hammond presumably.
A good day for the country too.
Hmmm. Still the quantum Irish Border issue.
We'll shaft Northern Ireland like Thatcher did with the Anglo-Irish agreement.
They'll get upset, but no one else will care.
Why do you so dislike the Northern Irish (and Gibraltarians and Falklanders).
No we are moving onto trade talks by the end of the year, despite endless diehard Remainer whinging we were crashing out without a deal
And how well do you think those trade talks are going to go for us given that we've capitulated on every aspect of the negotiations so far?
The problem with leaving the EU is not the exit bill - which is trivial compared to annual GDP, it's the economic damage the crap trade deal we are going to get will cause.
The deal will end free movement, that is the only acceptable trade deal, any trade deal leaving free movement in place e.g. staying in the single market, would be completely unacceptable and disrespect the Leave vote
The question on the ballot paper was: Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the EU or Leave the EU.
The EEA wasn't mentioned. Nor was Freedom of Movement. Campaigns are just that, they constrain nothing. However, the Conservative manifesto is an element in how the deal must be made, because they were elected on the back of it. However, if they don't make it to the end of the talks, all bets are off except 'not being a member of the EU'. At least without another referendum.
Good. How do you intend to achieve those aims with no borders in Irealnd / Northern Ireland ?
Through the FTA largely
Why do you keep calling it an FTA? There'll very likely be a TA. Whether there'll be an 'F' (and, some might say, what the F stands for...) remains to be seen and depends on the negotiation.
I expect a deal close to free trade is probably achievable for goods, but I would be surprised on services.
The Queen is the monarch for elderly pensioners as a religious traditionalist, Charles will be the monarch for the late middle aged and younger pensioners as a divorcee and Harry and Meghan will bring the royal family into the 21st century as a mixed race couple.
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
It has finally dawned on them what a no deal Brexit means.
A disaster for the economy and Corbyn as PM.
This is a good day for Hammond presumably.
A good day for the country too.
Hmmm. Still the quantum Irish Border issue.
We'll shaft Northern Ireland like Thatcher did with the Anglo-Irish agreement.
They'll get upset, but no one else will care.
Why do you so dislike the Northern Irish (and Gibraltarians and Falklanders).
I love the Gibraltarians and Falklanders, it will pain me if Brexit screws The Rock, I hold Spain and Argentina in the same group as France.
Northern Ireland has brought nothing but grief to the mainland.
So long as Northern Ireland is happy to keep on electing homophobes like Sammy Wilson and Iris Robinson I will keep on disliking them.
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
It has finally dawned on them what a no deal Brexit means.
A disaster for the economy and Corbyn as PM.
This is a good day for Hammond presumably.
A good day for the country too.
Hmmm. Still the quantum Irish Border issue.
We'll shaft Northern Ireland like Thatcher did with the Anglo-Irish agreement.
They'll get upset, but no one else will care.
Why do you so dislike the Northern Irish (and Gibraltarians and Falklanders).
I love the Gibraltarians and Falklanders, it will pain me if Brexit screws The Rock, I hold Spain and Argentina in the same group as France.
Northern Ireland has brought nothing but grief to the mainland.
So long as Northern Ireland is happy to keep on electing homophobes like Sammy Wilson and Iris Robinson I will keep on disliking them.
In purely economic terms, does NI contribute anything to the Uk that we really need?
It adds to the amusement of the nation. But it is a bit concerning how someone in public life can contrive to be quite so badly informed about the way the world actually is.
Off-topic: I just took a quick trip out to my local shop, wearing cream trousers. On the way I passed the local playground, where a council worker was busy pressure washing the cork flooring. As I passed on the footpath outside the playground, the wash got me, covering (literally) my trousers, coats and hand with muck.
He had sorry and I continued on my way. What intrigues me was the reaction to this by an older gentleman who saw this happen: he stopped me and said: "you should sue the council."
Okay, so I need to do some washing now. But sue the council? What the f***?
In addition, it was partially my fault. I could see he was doing some work, and could have diverted off the path - but I didn't want to risk getting my nice trousers dirty on the wet and potentially muddy grass.
Why is the first reaction to sue when something goes even minorly wrong?
Blame the lawyers.... (I thought I'd get that in before someone else did)
45 minutes. Why is the Speaker allowed to just extend the session beyond its limit like this?
Because it had been agreed that backbench MP's needed a chance to ask questions in amongst all the party leaders set amount and party planted questions, also to take into account the wasted time by party faithful of both sides shouting and interrupting, and the PM/Leader of the house, waffling....
No doubt there will be the usual howls of protest from existing residents, but frankly it's not as though there's a lot of high-quality townscape to protect in places like Croydon, Tower Hamlets and Hounslow.
Off-topic: I just took a quick trip out to my local shop, wearing cream trousers. On the way I passed the local playground, where a council worker was busy pressure washing the cork flooring. As I passed on the footpath outside the playground, the wash got me, covering (literally) my trousers, coats and hand with muck.
He had sorry and I continued on my way. What intrigues me was the reaction to this by an older gentleman who saw this happen: he stopped me and said: "you should sue the council."
Okay, so I need to do some washing now. But sue the council? What the f***?
In addition, it was partially my fault. I could see he was doing some work, and could have diverted off the path - but I didn't want to risk getting my nice trousers dirty on the wet and potentially muddy grass.
Why is the first reaction to sue when something goes even minorly wrong?
Blame the lawyers.... (I thought I'd get that in before someone else did)
I *always* blame the lawyers. And I can do so safely on here, as there's never any lawyers about during the day, as they're all working so hard ...
Mr. Eagles, are we currently engaged in a global war that poses an existential threat to our continued freedom?
You might also recall (or not, we both know your dubious grasp of history, and now current events too) that Stalin was the leader of our principal opponent in the Cold War.
Off-topic: I just took a quick trip out to my local shop, wearing cream trousers. On the way I passed the local playground, where a council worker was busy pressure washing the cork flooring. As I passed on the footpath outside the playground, the wash got me, covering (literally) my trousers, coats and hand with muck.
He had sorry and I continued on my way. What intrigues me was the reaction to this by an older gentleman who saw this happen: he stopped me and said: "you should sue the council."
Okay, so I need to do some washing now. But sue the council? What the f***?
In addition, it was partially my fault. I could see he was doing some work, and could have diverted off the path - but I didn't want to risk getting my nice trousers dirty on the wet and potentially muddy grass.
Why is the first reaction to sue when something goes even minorly wrong?
Blame the lawyers.... (I thought I'd get that in before someone else did)
I *always* blame the lawyers. And I can do so safely on here, as there's never any lawyers about during the day, as they're all working so hard ...
It's not as easy as you think posting from the golf course.
It adds to the amusement of the nation. But it is a bit concerning how someone in public life can contrive to be quite so badly informed about the way the world actually is.
I think Dan comes under the 'collective narcissist' Leaver classification. A man who has spent a lifetime silently raging against the world for not understanding the true exceptionalism of Britain.
@krishgm: @jeremycorbyn To those puzzled by my question : if Corbyn ups the pressure by saying this makes a Trump visit to Britain impossible now the PM has to take it more seriously than she has to date
No we are moving onto trade talks by the end of the year, despite endless diehard Remainer whinging we were crashing out without a deal
And how well do you think those trade talks are going to go for us given that we've capitulated on every aspect of the negotiations so far?
The problem with leaving the EU is not the exit bill - which is trivial compared to annual GDP, it's the economic damage the crap trade deal we are going to get will cause.
The deal will end free movement, that is the only acceptable trade deal, any trade deal leaving free movement in place e.g. staying in the single market, would be completely unacceptable and disrespect the Leave vote
The question on the ballot paper was: Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the EU or Leave the EU.
The EEA wasn't mentioned. Nor was Freedom of Movement. Campaigns are just that, they constrain nothing. However, the Conservative manifesto is an element in how the deal must be made, because they were elected on the back of it. However, if they don't make it to the end of the talks, all bets are off except 'not being a member of the EU'. At least without another referendum.
Good. How do you intend to achieve those aims with no borders in Irealnd / Northern Ireland ?
Through the FTA largely
Why do you keep calling it an FTA? There'll very likely be a TA. Whether there'll be an 'F' (and, some might say, what the F stands for...) remains to be seen and depends on the negotiation.
I expect a deal close to free trade is probably achievable for goods, but I would be surprised on services.
Exactly, the Article 50 negotiations have shown how little negotiating power the UK has against the EU. Any trade agreement will be on the EUs terms with the baseline being WTO terms rather than existing arrangement.
It adds to the amusement of the nation. But it is a bit concerning how someone in public life can contrive to be quite so badly informed about the way the world actually is.
Every time DH opens his mouth, he reveals himself to be another one of those eloquent idiots that predominate in politics these days.
That is the charitable view. The less charitable view is that he is deliberately lying to his readership in order to drum up support for a position which is otherwise much more challenging to justify. [I'm not saying it can't be justified, although I happen to be on the other side of the argument - just that it is unlikely to be delivered as this stately, utopian drift from the status quo.]
Mr. Eagles, are we currently engaged in a global war that poses an existential threat to our continued freedom?
You might also recall (or not, we both know your dubious grasp of history, and now current events too) that Stalin was the leader of our principal opponent in the Cold War.
To your first point, yes we are.
As for your latter point, you freely admit you have no grasp of modern history.
Off-topic: I just took a quick trip out to my local shop, wearing cream trousers. On the way I passed the local playground, where a council worker was busy pressure washing the cork flooring. As I passed on the footpath outside the playground, the wash got me, covering (literally) my trousers, coats and hand with muck.
He had sorry and I continued on my way. What intrigues me was the reaction to this by an older gentleman who saw this happen: he stopped me and said: "you should sue the council."
Okay, so I need to do some washing now. But sue the council? What the f***?
In addition, it was partially my fault. I could see he was doing some work, and could have diverted off the path - but I didn't want to risk getting my nice trousers dirty on the wet and potentially muddy grass.
Why is the first reaction to sue when something goes even minorly wrong?
Blame the lawyers.... (I thought I'd get that in before someone else did)
I *always* blame the lawyers. And I can do so safely on here, as there's never any lawyers about during the day, as they're all working so hard running up billable hours ...
No doubt there will be the usual howls of protest from existing residents, but frankly it's not as though there's a lot of high-quality townscape to protect in places like Croydon, Tower Hamlets and Hounslow.
Your sweeping remarks about suburbia aside, unplanned development will mean the death of the Tory Party in the capital. Is that what you want?
I'm not saying we shouldn't densify, but there are good and bad ways to go about it.
@faisalislam: Chuka Umunna MP tells @skynews the State Visit invitation to Donald Trump should be withdrawn immediately: “He is normalising hatred.. if we don’t call this out we are going down a very dangerous road”
Mr. Eagles, I can imagine Corbyn retweeting Stalin. After all, he's happy to march below the man's flag and image.
A Tory PM went into an alliance with Stalin despite knowing he was the scum of the earth, and was happy to spin the 'Uncle Joe' meme.
I'm not sure he entirely shared Corbyn's illusions about the evil Georgian, though.... “If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons...”
Reading leavers' Damascene conversion on paying an exit bill has been jolly funny this morning. All the way from "the undemocratic EUSSR shouldn't get a bean" to "it's only fair, we owed it anyway" in such a short space of time...
If only Theresa had known the Brexiteers had the backbone of a soggy cornflake, this could have been resolved months and months ago.
And this makes it so much more difficult for the government to resist demands for increased public expenditure on things the voters really care about. They are now saying that we can pay the EU £50bn but there's nothing for nurses, police, defence etc etc etc.
Its worse than that. The government is continuing to cut the budget for the likes of the police. Because we don't have any money. I think it was Charles* the other day suggesting that the Tories beastliness towards the disabled was financial necessity. There is always money available is their message. Just not for the likes of you.
Not the best electoral message is it? Hence their last remaining hope being to portray Corbyn as a crap commie. Because if people decide they've cried wolf one too many times on the "Labour are commie" front, that's their last defence gone.
@iainjwatson: An amendment to the EU withdrawal bill has been tabled by #labour calling for a vote on the Brexit bill and OBR/NAO scrutiny -will be debated a week today IF called. (Clearly hoping it will unite Remain and some Brexit opponents of the govt)
Viewing figures for the NFL are down this season and the protest movement started by Kaepernick is thought to be the main reason for that. US Veterans in particular have tuned out.
The topic itself appears to be a highly contentious one and American seems to be completely split over it. The team I follow and support once asked the fans in the stadium to link arms in solidarity with the players during the anthem but the majority clearly ignored that and put their hands over their hearts and saluted instead. It seems to be more about how they protest than the actual subject of racial equality that is trying to be raised. To kneel during the anthem to many Americans is a huge sign of disrespect.
Kaepernick didn't just kneel during the anthem, he also wore socks with police pigs on them. That's when he started to lose a lot of support.
I don't know how they pick a person of the year but If Kaepernick gets it will be an interesting choice.
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A disaster for the economy and Corbyn as PM.
edit: and even Boris limited it to "extortionate" final payments.
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/935845586137501696
Or, been less keen to pull a stunt and come up with some direct topical questions.
They'll get upset, but no one else will care.
They don't really care two hoots what the actual number is.
https://twitter.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/935846642066051072
A sensible Chancellor will make sure that by the time of the next election he can point to the £350m a week increase in the NHS budget since the Brexit vote.
It doesn't speak well about his competence.
I worry that in the final Brexit deal David Davis will sign the UK up to the single currency and Schengen.
Get rid of them now.
The products are going to be bought anyway, so do we sell them ourselves or do we let someone else sell them instead?
If a particular conflight was problematic, then the UN is the body that will intervene. SNP MPs ironically supporting the Iran-equipped Yemeni rebels doesn’t really cut it.
He had sorry and I continued on my way. What intrigues me was the reaction to this by an older gentleman who saw this happen: he stopped me and said: "you should sue the council."
Okay, so I need to do some washing now. But sue the council? What the f***?
In addition, it was partially my fault. I could see he was doing some work, and could have diverted off the path - but I didn't want to risk getting my nice trousers dirty on the wet and potentially muddy grass.
Why is the first reaction to sue when something goes even minorly wrong?
Not the best electoral message is it? Hence their last remaining hope being to portray Corbyn as a crap commie. Because if people decide they've cried wolf one too many times on the "Labour are commie" front, that's their last defence gone.
(*with profuse apologies if it wasn't)
The first tweet from Jayda Fransen, the deputy leader of Britain First, claims to show a Muslim migrant attacking a man on crutches.
This was followed by two more videos of people Ms Fransen claims to be Muslim.
Britain First was founded in 2011 by former members of the far-right British National Party (BNP)."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42166663
She won't though.
She's Mrs Daily Mail. A disaster for Britain.
https://twitter.com/joetwyman/status/935812095735627776
There’s also signs of serious social change afoot in Saudi as they deal with decreasing oil revenues. We should be encouraging that change in any way that we can.
From the outside, he seems to be handling the negotiations quite competently, given the huge constraints and the parliamentary arithmetic. Look on the bright side - we might have had Liam Fox or Boris negotiating for us.
Hmm.
EDIT: Max's point on maintaining influence in the ME is a much better argument.
Maybe not. But these were already UK obligations - we would have paid them at some stage if we remained in the EU.
If 50bn euros is a deal struck, that's right at the bottom end of possible interpretations of our legal commitments (a range of approx. 25-65bn, plus 20bn for transition).
(Actually, my age band isn't that much better)
I expect a deal close to free trade is probably achievable for goods, but I would be surprised on services.
We’re talking about planes and bombs here, not anything banned.
Northern Ireland has brought nothing but grief to the mainland.
So long as Northern Ireland is happy to keep on electing homophobes like Sammy Wilson and Iris Robinson I will keep on disliking them.
PMQs has extended since Corbyn started asking six speeches.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/29/london-suburbs-set-for-housing-boom-sadiq-khan
No doubt there will be the usual howls of protest from existing residents, but frankly it's not as though there's a lot of high-quality townscape to protect in places like Croydon, Tower Hamlets and Hounslow.
You might also recall (or not, we both know your dubious grasp of history, and now current events too) that Stalin was the leader of our principal opponent in the Cold War.
Doc: Big breaths.
Girl: They're thuper, aren't they!
That is the charitable view. The less charitable view is that he is deliberately lying to his readership in order to drum up support for a position which is otherwise much more challenging to justify. [I'm not saying it can't be justified, although I happen to be on the other side of the argument - just that it is unlikely to be delivered as this stately, utopian drift from the status quo.]
As for your latter point, you freely admit you have no grasp of modern history.
I'm not saying we shouldn't densify, but there are good and bad ways to go about it.
“He is normalising hatred.. if we don’t call this out we are going down a very dangerous road”
“If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons...”
https://mobile.twitter.com/DMiliband/status/935857894368608256
Viewing figures for the NFL are down this season and the protest movement started by Kaepernick is thought to be the main reason for that. US Veterans in particular have tuned out.
The topic itself appears to be a highly contentious one and American seems to be completely split over it. The team I follow and support once asked the fans in the stadium to link arms in solidarity with the players during the anthem but the majority clearly ignored that and put their hands over their hearts and saluted instead. It seems to be more about how they protest than the actual subject of racial equality that is trying to be raised. To kneel during the anthem to many Americans is a huge sign of disrespect.
Kaepernick didn't just kneel during the anthem, he also wore socks with police pigs on them. That's when he started to lose a lot of support.
I don't know how they pick a person of the year but If Kaepernick gets it will be an interesting choice.