I really hope not. Why should EU citizens have more rights than UK ones?
It comes down to power and influence, which the rest of the EU will have more than us. In exactly the same way as getting a trade agreement with the US generally involves signing up to processes that heavily favour the US.
Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.
I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
If only the real world was as tidy as your mind.
What do you consider that we should pay?
An amount that is justified by the value of what we get in return within the overall deal. And the lowest that will secure the deal we need, as with any other negotiation.
FPT TSE said : 'I did my A Levels 20/21 years ago. '
Glad to hear you managed a grade A at A Level History! However, even in the mid-1990s A levels were a good deal easier - in terms of achieving a particular grade - than back in the 1960s & 1970s. The switch to Absolute Marking from Relative Marking occurred in circa 1988 , and,thereafter, A level - and GCSE - grades shot up. I recall that cack in the early 1970s 30% of pupils failed to obtain even the lowest pass grade - ie an E grade . Nowadays more than 95% manage that - despite the fact that suck exams are no longer restricted to the most academic pupils.
Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.
I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
If only the real world was as tidy as your mind.
What do you consider that we should pay?
£350 million per week for every week we were a member of the EC/EU.
behave or Ill set the bus on you
Reality replacement bus service.
of course
loads of remainers have blamed the bus instead of their own shit performance in the referendum, but if it keeps you happy.....
Interestingly the Brexiteers seem most keen to apportion blame for the referendum result. Perhaps because they sense that winning will be the end of them.
FPT TSE said : 'I did my A Levels 20/21 years ago. '
Glad to hear you managed a grade A at A Level History! However, even in the mid-1990s A levels were a good deal easier - in terms of achieving a particular grade - than back in the 1960s & 1970s. The switch to Absolute Marking from Relative Marking occurred in circa 1988 , and,thereafter, A level - and GCSE - grades shot up. I recall that cack in the early 1970s 30% of pupils failed to obtain even the lowest pass grade - ie an E grade . Nowadays more than 95% manage that - despite the fact that suck exams are no longer restricted to the most academic pupils.
Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.
I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
If only the real world was as tidy as your mind.
What do you consider that we should pay?
£350 million per week for every week we were a member of the EC/EU.
behave or Ill set the bus on you
Reality replacement bus service.
of course
loads of remainers have blamed the bus instead of their own shit performance in the referendum, but if it keeps you happy.....
Interestingly the Brexiteers seem most keen to apportion blame for the referendum result. Perhaps because they sense that winning will be the end of them.
err if they won, why would they keep campaigning ?
So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.
That horse. Has. Bolted.
21 months too late. At the time, Cameron was told to get lost.
the BDI is simply looking at whats coming and realising Germany will feel pain from Brexit. Given how injured Merkel is I can see economic matters getting more priority over politics in coming months.
A leading Eurosceptic campaign group is planning a “criminal” attempt to get around the £7 million referendum spending limits, leaked emails suggest.
A leading figure in Vote Leave, one of the two groups battling for official recognition to run the campaign for Britain to leave the European Union, told colleagues that his organisation has found a way “to spend as much money as is necessary to win”.
He said that Vote Leave, which he helps to oversee, hoped to get around the spending ceiling by using a series of front organisations.
Steve Baker, the co-chairman of Conservatives for Britain, wrote in an email that Vote Leave wanted to get around the limit by using front organisations.
“It is open to the Vote Leave family to create separate legal entities, each of which could spend £700,000: Vote Leave will be able to spend as much money as is necessary to win the referendum,” he said in an email sent on Saturday afternoon.
A leading Eurosceptic campaign group is planning a “criminal” attempt to get around the £7 million referendum spending limits, leaked emails suggest.
A leading figure in Vote Leave, one of the two groups battling for official recognition to run the campaign for Britain to leave the European Union, told colleagues that his organisation has found a way “to spend as much money as is necessary to win”.
He said that Vote Leave, which he helps to oversee, hoped to get around the spending ceiling by using a series of front organisations.
Steve Baker, the co-chairman of Conservatives for Britain, wrote in an email that Vote Leave wanted to get around the limit by using front organisations.
“It is open to the Vote Leave family to create separate legal entities, each of which could spend £700,000: Vote Leave will be able to spend as much money as is necessary to win the referendum,” he said in an email sent on Saturday afternoon.
Can anyone explain why for the last few weeks I've been seeing ' Big freeze imminent, snow on its way, Britain to be colder than Iceland, worst winter for decades ' headlines yet its above 10 deg C in the middle of the night ?
A leading Eurosceptic campaign group is planning a “criminal” attempt to get around the £7 million referendum spending limits, leaked emails suggest.
A leading figure in Vote Leave, one of the two groups battling for official recognition to run the campaign for Britain to leave the European Union, told colleagues that his organisation has found a way “to spend as much money as is necessary to win”.
He said that Vote Leave, which he helps to oversee, hoped to get around the spending ceiling by using a series of front organisations.
Steve Baker, the co-chairman of Conservatives for Britain, wrote in an email that Vote Leave wanted to get around the limit by using front organisations.
“It is open to the Vote Leave family to create separate legal entities, each of which could spend £700,000: Vote Leave will be able to spend as much money as is necessary to win the referendum,” he said in an email sent on Saturday afternoon.
Can anyone explain why for the last few weeks I've been seeing ' Big freeze imminent, snow on its way, Britain to be colder than Iceland, worst winter for decades ' headlines yet its above 10 deg C in the middle of the night ?
Can anyone explain why for the last few weeks I've been seeing ' Big freeze imminent, snow on its way, Britain to be colder than Iceland, worst winter for decades ' headlines yet its above 10 deg C in the middle of the night ?
So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.
That horse. Has. Bolted.
21 months too late. At the time, Cameron was told to get lost.
To be fair Cameron asking for susidiarity on the paperclip directive, telling the Germans he would recommend a Remain vote in all circumstances and assuring them that Remain would win easily was not diplomacy on the Talleyrand / Metternich level.
So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.
That horse. Has. Bolted.
21 months too late. At the time, Cameron was told to get lost.
To be fair Cameron asking for susidiarity on the paperclip directive, telling the Germans he would recommend a Remain vote in all circumstances and assuring them that Remain would win easily was not diplomacy on the Talleyrand / Metternich level.
he took the nation for idiots and they took hm for one back
A leading Eurosceptic campaign group is planning a “criminal” attempt to get around the £7 million referendum spending limits, leaked emails suggest.
A leading figure in Vote Leave, one of the two groups battling for official recognition to run the campaign for Britain to leave the European Union, told colleagues that his organisation has found a way “to spend as much money as is necessary to win”.
He said that Vote Leave, which he helps to oversee, hoped to get around the spending ceiling by using a series of front organisations.
Steve Baker, the co-chairman of Conservatives for Britain, wrote in an email that Vote Leave wanted to get around the limit by using front organisations.
“It is open to the Vote Leave family to create separate legal entities, each of which could spend £700,000: Vote Leave will be able to spend as much money as is necessary to win the referendum,” he said in an email sent on Saturday afternoon.
£9m the government spent on a pro EU leaflet days before the purdah period.
Andy Street bought the conservatives the WM mayorality using the same spend-shitloads-on-advertising-immediately-before-the-campaign-spending-limits-kick-in method.
Steve Baker suggesting spending during the campaign
Yes, thank you, I can read.
Just because one is within the letter of the law and the other isn't, doesn't mean that the £9m spent days before the campaign began, using the official branding of Her Majesty's Government, wasn't deeply unfair.
Remain did all they could to tie the leave campaign's hands behind their backs before the campaign even began.
So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.
That horse. Has. Bolted.
21 months too late. At the time, Cameron was told to get lost.
To be fair Cameron asking for susidiarity on the paperclip directive, telling the Germans he would recommend a Remain vote in all circumstances and assuring them that Remain would win easily was not diplomacy on the Talleyrand / Metternich level.
You seem to think that had Cameron convinced them he would have advocated Leave that it would have strengthened his hand. It wouldn't, because it would only have been a threat to place the UK in the position it now finds itself in, in which we are a supplicant to the EU27.
So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.
That horse. Has. Bolted.
21 months too late. At the time, Cameron was told to get lost.
To be fair Cameron asking for susidiarity on the paperclip directive, telling the Germans he would recommend a Remain vote in all circumstances and assuring them that Remain would win easily was not diplomacy on the Talleyrand / Metternich level.
You seem to think that had Cameron convinced them he would have advocated Leave that it would have strengthened his hand. It wouldn't, because it would only have been a threat to place the UK in the position it now finds itself in, in which we are a supplicant to the EU27.
The UK has been a supplicant to the EU since 1973.
Though their were minor victories along the way - when British governments remembered they could say No and keep saying No until they got what they wanted.
A leading Eurosceptic campaign group is planning a “criminal” attempt to get around the £7 million referendum spending limits, leaked emails suggest.
A leading figure in Vote Leave, one of the two groups battling for official recognition to run the campaign for Britain to leave the European Union, told colleagues that his organisation has found a way “to spend as much money as is necessary to win”.
He said that Vote Leave, which he helps to oversee, hoped to get around the spending ceiling by using a series of front organisations.
Steve Baker, the co-chairman of Conservatives for Britain, wrote in an email that Vote Leave wanted to get around the limit by using front organisations.
“It is open to the Vote Leave family to create separate legal entities, each of which could spend £700,000: Vote Leave will be able to spend as much money as is necessary to win the referendum,” he said in an email sent on Saturday afternoon.
£9m the government spent on a pro EU leaflet days before the purdah period.
Andy Street bought the conservatives the WM mayorality using the same spend-shitloads-on-advertising-immediately-before-the-campaign-spending-limits-kick-in method.
Yes, there were also serious concerns about the Conservatives paying to advertise in local newspapers in marginal constituencies using only national branding, thus circumventing spending laws, at GE2017.
As I said to Scott'n'Paste, just because something is within the letter of the law, doesn't mean it's fair.
Bundestagswahl, wie eine Forsa-Umfrage für RTL und n-tv am Montag ergab. Die FDP würde demnach mit 10 Prozent gegenüber 10,7 bei der Bundestagswahl verlieren. Auch CDU/CSU kämen nur auf 31 Prozent (bei der Wahl: 32,9). Die SPD würde 21 Prozent erreichen (20,5). Das größte Plus erzielten die Grünen (12 Prozent, Wahl: 8,9). Die Linke käme auf 9 Prozent (9,2) und die AfD auf 12 Prozent (12,6).
first cut opinion poll from Germany ( brackets GE % )
FDP 10 (10,7 ) CDU 31 (32,9) SPD 21 (20,5 ) Greens 12 (8.9 ) Linke 9 (9.2 ) AfD 12 (12.6)
So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.
That horse. Has. Bolted.
21 months too late. At the time, Cameron was told to get lost.
To be fair Cameron asking for susidiarity on the paperclip directive, telling the Germans he would recommend a Remain vote in all circumstances and assuring them that Remain would win easily was not diplomacy on the Talleyrand / Metternich level.
You seem to think that had Cameron convinced them he would have advocated Leave that it would have strengthened his hand. It wouldn't, because it would only have been a threat to place the UK in the position it now finds itself in, in which we are a supplicant to the EU27.
because the assume the position stratgey worked out so well for him
Can anyone explain why for the last few weeks I've been seeing ' Big freeze imminent, snow on its way, Britain to be colder than Iceland, worst winter for decades ' headlines yet its above 10 deg C in the middle of the night ?
Bundestagswahl, wie eine Forsa-Umfrage für RTL und n-tv am Montag ergab. Die FDP würde demnach mit 10 Prozent gegenüber 10,7 bei der Bundestagswahl verlieren. Auch CDU/CSU kämen nur auf 31 Prozent (bei der Wahl: 32,9). Die SPD würde 21 Prozent erreichen (20,5). Das größte Plus erzielten die Grünen (12 Prozent, Wahl: 8,9). Die Linke käme auf 9 Prozent (9,2) und die AfD auf 12 Prozent (12,6).
first cut opinion poll from Germany ( brackets GE % )
FDP 10 (10,7 ) CDU 31 (32,9) SPD 21 (20,5 ) Greens 12 (8.9 ) Linke 9 (9.2 ) AfD 12 (12.6)
so CDU down and greens up, rest MoE
still doesnt give a government
CDU- FDP with supply from AfD looks the ticket to me. But I assume Merkel won't go for that..
Bundestagswahl, wie eine Forsa-Umfrage für RTL und n-tv am Montag ergab. Die FDP würde demnach mit 10 Prozent gegenüber 10,7 bei der Bundestagswahl verlieren. Auch CDU/CSU kämen nur auf 31 Prozent (bei der Wahl: 32,9). Die SPD würde 21 Prozent erreichen (20,5). Das größte Plus erzielten die Grünen (12 Prozent, Wahl: 8,9). Die Linke käme auf 9 Prozent (9,2) und die AfD auf 12 Prozent (12,6).
first cut opinion poll from Germany ( brackets GE % )
FDP 10 (10,7 ) CDU 31 (32,9) SPD 21 (20,5 ) Greens 12 (8.9 ) Linke 9 (9.2 ) AfD 12 (12.6)
so CDU down and greens up, rest MoE
still doesnt give a government
CDU- FDP with supply from AfD looks the ticket to me. But I assume Merkel won't go for that..
only with her head on a pike on the Brandenburg Gate
Bundestagswahl, wie eine Forsa-Umfrage für RTL und n-tv am Montag ergab. Die FDP würde demnach mit 10 Prozent gegenüber 10,7 bei der Bundestagswahl verlieren. Auch CDU/CSU kämen nur auf 31 Prozent (bei der Wahl: 32,9). Die SPD würde 21 Prozent erreichen (20,5). Das größte Plus erzielten die Grünen (12 Prozent, Wahl: 8,9). Die Linke käme auf 9 Prozent (9,2) und die AfD auf 12 Prozent (12,6).
first cut opinion poll from Germany ( brackets GE % )
FDP 10 (10,7 ) CDU 31 (32,9) SPD 21 (20,5 ) Greens 12 (8.9 ) Linke 9 (9.2 ) AfD 12 (12.6)
Can anyone explain why for the last few weeks I've been seeing ' Big freeze imminent, snow on its way, Britain to be colder than Iceland, worst winter for decades ' headlines yet its above 10 deg C in the middle of the night ?
I really hope not. Why should EU citizens have more rights than UK ones?
Ardent Brexiteer alert.
Um No. Just someone who believes in everyone being equal before the law. Obviously a concept that is alien to you - along with basic principles of democracy from what I have seen.
Bundestagswahl, wie eine Forsa-Umfrage für RTL und n-tv am Montag ergab. Die FDP würde demnach mit 10 Prozent gegenüber 10,7 bei der Bundestagswahl verlieren. Auch CDU/CSU kämen nur auf 31 Prozent (bei der Wahl: 32,9). Die SPD würde 21 Prozent erreichen (20,5). Das größte Plus erzielten die Grünen (12 Prozent, Wahl: 8,9). Die Linke käme auf 9 Prozent (9,2) und die AfD auf 12 Prozent (12,6).
first cut opinion poll from Germany ( brackets GE % )
FDP 10 (10,7 ) CDU 31 (32,9) SPD 21 (20,5 ) Greens 12 (8.9 ) Linke 9 (9.2 ) AfD 12 (12.6)
so CDU down and greens up, rest MoE
still doesnt give a government
Merkel should retire and give someone a go.
She's clearly years past her best.
unfortunately she has left no successor, it will be like when Thatcher or Blair left, an army of placemen with no ideas wondering why nobody is telling them what to do
So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.
That horse. Has. Bolted.
21 months too late. At the time, Cameron was told to get lost.
To be fair Cameron asking for susidiarity on the paperclip directive, telling the Germans he would recommend a Remain vote in all circumstances and assuring them that Remain would win easily was not diplomacy on the Talleyrand / Metternich level.
You seem to think that had Cameron convinced them he would have advocated Leave that it would have strengthened his hand. It wouldn't, because it would only have been a threat to place the UK in the position it now finds itself in, in which we are a supplicant to the EU27.
because the assume the position stratgey worked out so well for him
His mistake was not realising his real negotiation was with the fanatics in his own party. He should have just held the referendum on the status quo as was.
I really hope not. Why should EU citizens have more rights than UK ones?
Ardent Brexiteer alert.
Um No. Just someone who believes in everyone being equal before the law. Obviously a concept that is alien to you - along with basic principles of democracy from what I have seen.
So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.
That horse. Has. Bolted.
21 months too late. At the time, Cameron was told to get lost.
To be fair Cameron asking for susidiarity on the paperclip directive, telling the Germans he would recommend a Remain vote in all circumstances and assuring them that Remain would win easily was not diplomacy on the Talleyrand / Metternich level.
You seem to think that had Cameron convinced them he would have advocated Leave that it would have strengthened his hand. It wouldn't, because it would only have been a threat to place the UK in the position it now finds itself in, in which we are a supplicant to the EU27.
because the assume the position stratgey worked out so well for him
His mistake was not realising his real negotiation was with the fanatics in his own party. He should have just held the referendum on the status quo as was.
lol
it;s the way you casually call others fanatics that amuses
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Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article170789097/Die-Kanzlerin-plant-mehrgleisig.html
she could have stayed in the LDs and ranted from the sidelines
One of the most prominent Brexiteers in this country moans about Jewish influence.
Join the dots, clearly the government agrees with the EU.
I wonder who is the official tosser of the EU?
It's the GERMAN CAR MANUFACTURERS KLAXON!!!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42049565
That horse. Has. Bolted.
TSE said :
'I did my A Levels 20/21 years ago. '
Glad to hear you managed a grade A at A Level History! However, even in the mid-1990s A levels were a good deal easier - in terms of achieving a particular grade - than back in the 1960s & 1970s. The switch to Absolute Marking from Relative Marking occurred in circa 1988 , and,thereafter, A level - and GCSE - grades shot up. I recall that cack in the early 1970s 30% of pupils failed to obtain even the lowest pass grade - ie an E grade . Nowadays more than 95% manage that - despite the fact that suck exams are no longer restricted to the most academic pupils.
loads of remainers have blamed the bus instead of their own shit performance in the referendum, but if it keeps you happy.....
which makes the whole PB your lies were bigger than our lies totally pointless
none of the parties effectively addressed the issues
There's 28 EU members at the moment, including us, we were excluded from this vote, leaving 27 voters, so someone formally abstained.
All we ever get is 'my magic money tree is bigger than yours'.
The Times
A leading Eurosceptic campaign group is planning a “criminal” attempt to get around the £7 million referendum spending limits, leaked emails suggest.
A leading figure in Vote Leave, one of the two groups battling for official recognition to run the campaign for Britain to leave the European Union, told colleagues that his organisation has found a way “to spend as much money as is necessary to win”.
He said that Vote Leave, which he helps to oversee, hoped to get around the spending ceiling by using a series of front organisations.
Steve Baker, the co-chairman of Conservatives for Britain, wrote in an email that Vote Leave wanted to get around the limit by using front organisations.
“It is open to the Vote Leave family to create separate legal entities, each of which could spend £700,000: Vote Leave will be able to spend as much money as is necessary to win the referendum,” he said in an email sent on Saturday afternoon.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-groups-plot-to-break-campaign-spending-limit-k86qwrc7w
Steve Baker suggesting spending during the campaign
Just because one is within the letter of the law and the other isn't, doesn't mean that the £9m spent days before the campaign began, using the official branding of Her Majesty's Government, wasn't deeply unfair.
Remain did all they could to tie the leave campaign's hands behind their backs before the campaign even began.
The result? 52/48
How did the last one work out, lads?
Though their were minor victories along the way - when British governments remembered they could say No and keep saying No until they got what they wanted.
As I said to Scott'n'Paste, just because something is within the letter of the law, doesn't mean it's fair.
first cut opinion poll from Germany ( brackets GE % )
FDP 10 (10,7 )
CDU 31 (32,9)
SPD 21 (20,5 )
Greens 12 (8.9 )
Linke 9 (9.2 )
AfD 12 (12.6)
so CDU down and greens up, rest MoE
still doesnt give a government
She's clearly years past her best.
Express usually does it about now.
it;s the way you casually call others fanatics that amuses
We'll be losing the Presidencies of FIFA and the ICC next.
This, I think, is a loophole that needs closing.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/how-the-conservatives-are-using-local-adverts-to-get-around?utm_term=.wt95076XB#.yaeqdNVnE
It annoyed me to no end.