Looking at that front page, 8 of those are solicitors/barristers, including a few QCs and one former Attorney General of England & Wales and one former Sol-Gen too.
They have sound judgment based on their professions.
No doubt you'd say the same about George Jeffreys.
Nope
1) He was a Ramshagger Welsh
2) He's been dead for over 300 years, it is never wise to judge historical figures to modern day standards.
So why do you persist in doing so with Dave and George?
Looking at that front page, 8 of those are solicitors/barristers, including a few QCs and one former Attorney General of England & Wales and one former Sol-Gen too.
They have sound judgment based on their professions.
No doubt you'd say the same about George Jeffreys.
Nope
1) He was a Ramshagger Welsh
2) He's been dead for over 300 years, it is never wise to judge historical figures to modern day standards.
So why do you persist in doing so with Dave and George?
There is no realistic chance of an FTA with the US (anytime soon) because:
1. They will impose the same ISDS structure that they have with NAFTA. This means that secret courts of two American and one non-America have the right to rule that British laws are incompatible with the FTA. For example, in Canada, this led to the Quebec government's law requiring GM products to be labelled being thrown out.
2. No US FTA would be acceptable if it did not allow full access of US agricultural products to the UK. This means that you will have the choice between expensive British products (because they are made to UK food standards) against cheap US ones (made to US standards).
3. The US, in all recent FTAs, requires that governments keep their intellectual property laws in lock step with the US. So, if the US changes the law on copyright length, we will be treaty bound to change ours.
Not soon no and certainly not pre Brexit but while there is obviously a lot to iron out in terms of what the US will require for any deal the USA remains the largest single destination for UK exports so minimising tariffs on those exports would benefit the UK economy.
My local authority ( Conwy) are about to approve 4 week bin collections and this after 5% rate increase for years
Enjoy the rats.
We are good at recycling in the County and of course the weekly food waste and trolley block with plastic, cardboard, glass and paper will continue but many, especially families, will struggle and then the danger rises of fly tipping
We’ve got fortnightly bin collection and tbh we would not manage without the ability to offload rubbish on my mother in law who now lives alone.
Is that because her house is now full of your trash?
The Independent is another paper which has gone down in recent years (I think it’s only online now).
They do still try and do some serious journalism - for example on the refugee crisis in the Med. But they haven't really resolved how to reconcile the online-only model with their former setup as a print paper.
Perhaps the lack of sense is most obvious amongst those who think the Telegraph front page some sort of threat to democracy but this front page witty or amusing.
Indeed. Doesn't stop the Telegraph being a rag these days though. Which is a shame as it was once a really good paper.
Oh I agree. And I am not suggesting that the Telegraph front page was in any way productive. It’s just the double standards that I find trying.
The Times front page can't possibly be right. I'm sure I've heard that Brexit Britain is a nasty xenophobic racist place in which EU workers feel unwanted and threatened and yet it appears that we now have record numbers of them. Say it aint so.
Perhaps the lack of sense is most obvious amongst those who think the Telegraph front page some sort of threat to democracy but this front page witty or amusing.
Indeed. Doesn't stop the Telegraph being a rag these days though. Which is a shame as it was once a really good paper.
The Telegraph is still the biggest selling broadsheet though and 79% of Telegraph readers voted Tory in June, with just 12% voting Labour and 6% LD. By contrast only 58% of Times readers voted Tory, 24% Labour and 14% LD.
There is no realistic chance of an FTA with the US (anytime soon) because:
1. They will impose the same ISDS structure that they have with NAFTA. This means that secret courts of two American and one non-America have the right to rule that British laws are incompatible with the FTA. For example, in Canada, this led to the Quebec government's law requiring GM products to be labelled being thrown out.
2. No US FTA would be acceptable if it did not allow full access of US agricultural products to the UK. This means that you will have the choice between expensive British products (because they are made to UK food standards) against cheap US ones (made to US standards).
3. The US, in all recent FTAs, requires that governments keep their intellectual property laws in lock step with the US. So, if the US changes the law on copyright length, we will be treaty bound to change ours.
Not soon no and certainly not pre Brexit but while there is obviously a lot to iron out in terms of what the US will require for any deal the USA remains the largest single destination for UK exports so minimising tariffs on those exports would benefit the UK economy.
I don't believe a Conservative government, whose majority is dependent on rural votes, would sign up to an FTA like that. I don't believe that those people (such as myself) who voted on sovereignty grounds would feel that swapping fealty to Brussels to fealty to Washington was an enormous improvement.
Curious it wasn't the army chief himself delivering the statement that went out on thebroadcasters.
Pity it isn't a coup though, don't military juntas often come up with fantastically dull names for their new order, like the Committee for the Reestablishment of Order and Democracy in the Homeland For a Better Future? Or Committee for Organising Unity Patriotically?
The Times front page can't possibly be right. I'm sure I've heard that Brexit Britain is a nasty xenophobic racist place in which EU workers feel unwanted and threatened and yet it appears that we now have record numbers of them. Say it aint so.
Almost like we’ve been lied to by the Junkerphilic stooges of Remain. Again.
Basic mistake by Mugabe: don't annoy those at the top of the military.
Given his age they know there'll be a succession issue very soon, and they have pre-empted this to maintain control over events. The likely successor sounds like a nasty piece of work that the army wants even if the people don't.
My local authority ( Conwy) are about to approve 4 week bin collections and this after 5% rate increase for years
Enjoy the rats.
We are good at recycling in the County and of course the weekly food waste and trolley block with plastic, cardboard, glass and paper will continue but many, especially families, will struggle and then the danger rises of fly tipping
We’ve got fortnightly bin collection and tbh we would not manage without the ability to offload rubbish on my mother in law who now lives alone.
Is that because her house is now full of your trash?
"Might be interesting if the Telegraph journalists (sic) took a trip to Sark and did an investigation into the Berkeley Brothers who currently live in their own little tax exile Brecqhou which is within throwing a cricket ball distance. They would find no shortage of Sarkese willing to speak to them."
As an occasional visitor to Sark I can confirm they have used their wealth to all but destroy the life on this once wonderfully sleepy carless feudal island. There's a great story to be told if any journalist can be bothered
The Times front page can't possibly be right. I'm sure I've heard that Brexit Britain is a nasty xenophobic racist place in which EU workers feel unwanted and threatened and yet it appears that we now have record numbers of them. Say it aint so.
Almost like we’ve been lied to by the Junkerphilic stooges of Remain. Again.
There is no realistic chance of an FTA with the US (anytime soon) because:
1. They will impose the same ISDS structure that they have with NAFTA. This means that secret courts of two American and one non-America have the right to rule that British laws are incompatible with the FTA. For example, in Canada, this led to the Quebec government's law requiring GM products to be labelled being thrown out.
2. No US FTA would be acceptable if it did not allow full access of US agricultural products to the UK. This means that you will have the choice between expensive British products (because they are made to UK food standards) against cheap US ones (made to US standards).
3. The US, in all recent FTAs, requires that governments keep their intellectual property laws in lock step with the US. So, if the US changes the law on copyright length, we will be treaty bound to change ours.
Not soon no and certainly not pre Brexit but while there is obviously a lot to iron out in terms of what the US will require for any deal the USA remains the largest single destination for UK exports so minimising tariffs on those exports would benefit the UK economy.
I don't believe a Conservative government, whose majority is dependent on rural votes, would sign up to an FTA like that. I don't believe that those people (such as myself) who voted on sovereignty grounds would feel that swapping fealty to Brussels to fealty to Washington was an enormous improvement.
There is no realistic chance of an FTA with the US (anytime soon) because:
1. They will impose the same ISDS structure that they have with NAFTA. This means that secret courts of two American and one non-America have the right to rule that British laws are incompatible with the FTA. For example, in Canada, this led to the Quebec government's law requiring GM products to be labelled being thrown out.
2. No US FTA would be acceptable if it did not allow full access of US agricultural products to the UK. This means that you will have the choice between expensive British products (because they are made to UK food standards) against cheap US ones (made to US standards).
3. The US, in all recent FTAs, requires that governments keep their intellectual property laws in lock step with the US. So, if the US changes the law on copyright length, we will be treaty bound to change ours.
Not soon no and certainly not pre Brexit but while there is obviously a lot to iron out in terms of what the US will require for any deal the USA remains the largest single destination for UK exports so minimising tariffs on those exports would benefit the UK economy.
I don't believe a Conservative government, whose majority is dependent on rural votes, would sign up to an FTA like that. I don't believe that those people (such as myself) who voted on sovereignty grounds would feel that swapping fealty to Brussels to fealty to Washington was an enormous improvement.
Many British farmers would welcome the chance to export cheaper but still high quality traditional British beef, chicken, pork and lamb to the vast US market.
Having a FTA with the USA, our largest single export market, much as we are likely to ultimately have a FTA with the EU, our largest export market combined together, is also hardly swapping fealty to Brussels to fealty to Washington.
There is no realistic chance of an FTA with the US (anytime soon) because:
1. They will impose the same ISDS structure that they have with NAFTA. This means that secret courts of two American and one non-America have the right to rule that British laws are incompatible with the FTA. For example, in Canada, this led to the Quebec government's law requiring GM products to be labelled being thrown out.
2. No US FTA would be acceptable if it did not allow full access of US agricultural products to the UK. This means that you will have the choice between expensive British products (because they are made to UK food standards) against cheap US ones (made to US standards).
3. The US, in all recent FTAs, requires that governments keep their intellectual property laws in lock step with the US. So, if the US changes the law on copyright length, we will be treaty bound to change ours.
Not soon no and certainly not pre Brexit but while there is obviously a lot to iron out in terms of what the US will require for any deal the USA remains the largest single destination for UK exports so minimising tariffs on those exports would benefit the UK economy.
I don't believe a Conservative government, whose majority is dependent on rural votes, would sign up to an FTA like that. I don't believe that those people (such as myself) who voted on sovereignty grounds would feel that swapping fealty to Brussels to fealty to Washington was an enormous improvement.
I agree entirely.
Compare US food to European food and the word improvement is in the rear view mirror.
Basic mistake by Mugabe: don't annoy those at the top of the military.
Basic mistake by the military. Why is he still alive? In the GOT you win or you die. If he or his supporters win back power these people are toast.
One wonders how much Mugabe personally is able to wield power. He is very old, if he is confident the military will not make his remaining years uncomfortable, is it worth not fighting it? I suppose it's a question many dictators have to ask, and particularly if they are confident their families will get no blowback from those who replace them.
"Might be interesting if the Telegraph journalists (sic) took a trip to Sark and did an investigation into the Berkeley Brothers who currently live in their own little tax exile Brecqhou which is within throwing a cricket ball distance. They would find no shortage of Sarkese willing to speak to them."
As an occasional visitor to Sark I can confirm they have used their wealth to all but destroy the life on this once wonderfully sleepy carless feudal island. There's a great story to be told if any journalist can be bothered
Question for anyone who might know - are the Crown Dependencies Corbyn-proof?
Not soon no and certainly not pre Brexit but while there is obviously a lot to iron out in terms of what the US will require for any deal the USA remains the largest single destination for UK exports so minimising tariffs on those exports would benefit the UK economy.
I don't believe a Conservative government, whose majority is dependent on rural votes, would sign up to an FTA like that. I don't believe that those people (such as myself) who voted on sovereignty grounds would feel that swapping fealty to Brussels to fealty to Washington was an enormous improvement.
Many British farmers would welcome the chance to export cheaper but still high quality traditional British beef, chicken, pork and lamb to the vast US market.
Having a FTA with the USA, our largest single export market, much as we are likely to ultimately have a FTA with the EU, our largest export market combined together, is also hardly swapping fealty to Brussels to fealty to Washington.
Firstly, I live in the US (most of the time). There is plenty of high quality meat that's available. It's not clear why stuff that is transported 5,000 miles from the UK, where land is massively more expensive, is going to be cheaper than local high quality produce. On the contrary, it is likely to be much more expensive.
Now, such an FTA would be excellent for certain parts of the UK - like makers of Scotch whisky. But it would be a disaster for most rural constituencies. And it would create an unlevel playing field where British farmers are required to operate to much higher standards than American ones.
Secondly, do you honestly believe that the US would swap their insistence on their particular brand of ISDS tribunals? They are signficantly more denuding of sovereignty than (for example) the EFTA court. Do you think it would be acceptable for two US judges to rule (in secret) that a British law on food labelling constituted a non-tariff barrier and was therefore not allowed?
The Times front page can't possibly be right. I'm sure I've heard that Brexit Britain is a nasty xenophobic racist place in which EU workers feel unwanted and threatened and yet it appears that we now have record numbers of them. Say it aint so.
Almost like we’ve been lied to by the Junkerphilic stooges of Remain. Again.
But in fairness this lie was not on the side of a bus. That makes all the difference. Apparently.
Basic mistake by Mugabe: don't annoy those at the top of the military.
Basic mistake by the military. Why is he still alive? In the GOT you win or you die. If he or his supporters win back power these people are toast.
One wonders how much Mugabe personally is able to wield power. He is very old, if he is confident the military will not make his remaining years uncomfortable, is it worth not fighting it? I suppose it's a question many dictators have to ask, and particularly if they are confident their families will get no blowback from those who replace them.
I would not be selling life insurance to his family. They are likely to become inconvenient.
Not soon no and certainly not pre Brexit but while there is obviously a lot to iron out in terms of what the US will require for any deal the USA remains the largest single destination for UK exports so minimising tariffs on those exports would benefit the UK economy.
I don't believe a Conservative government, whose majority is dependent on rural votes, would sign up to an FTA like that. I don't believe that those people (such as myself) who voted on sovereignty grounds would feel that swapping fealty to Brussels to fealty to Washington was an enormous improvement.
Many British farmers would welcome the chance to export cheaper but still high quality traditional British beef, chicken, pork and lamb to the vast US market.
Having a FTA with the USA, our largest single export market, much as we are likely to ultimately have a FTA with the EU, our largest export market combined together, is also hardly swapping fealty to Brussels to fealty to Washington.
Firstly, I live in the US (most of the time). There is plenty of high quality meat that's available. It's not clear why stuff that is transported 5,000 miles from the UK, where land is massively more expensive, is going to be cheaper than local high quality produce. On the contrary, it is likely to be much more expensive.
Now, such an FTA would be excellent for certain parts of the UK - like makers of Scotch whisky. But it would be a disaster for most rural constituencies. And it would create an unlevel playing field where British farmers are required to operate to much higher standards than American ones.
Secondly, do you honestly believe that the US would swap their insistence on their particular brand of ISDS tribunals? They are signficantly more denuding of sovereignty than (for example) the EFTA court. Do you think it would be acceptable for two US judges to rule (in secret) that a British law on food labelling constituted a non-tariff barrier and was therefore not allowed?
People who will buy British meat will tend to be of higher income anyway and buying it, for example British beef, for quality value and for some variety and to add to the interest at a dinner party, if British meat becomes relatively cheaper than it is now that will add to its attraction.
Who knows what the terms of trade are or will be, that will be up to years of negotiation but it is absurd that having left the EU we ultimately end up with a FTA with them while refusing the chance of a FTA with the largest destination for UK exports.
We do have a weekly food waste collection together with a trolley block of three containers, one for paper, one for plastic, and one for cardboard and glass
Impressive really, all our recycling stuff goes into the same recycling bin. Even then plenty of people put the wrong things in!
"Might be interesting if the Telegraph journalists (sic) took a trip to Sark and did an investigation into the Berkeley Brothers who currently live in their own little tax exile Brecqhou which is within throwing a cricket ball distance. They would find no shortage of Sarkese willing to speak to them."
As an occasional visitor to Sark I can confirm they have used their wealth to all but destroy the life on this once wonderfully sleepy carless feudal island. There's a great story to be told if any journalist can be bothered
Question for anyone who might know - are the Crown Dependencies Corbyn-proof?
Think the question is - is the UK economy Corbyn proof
There is no realistic chance of an FTA with the US (anytime soon) because:
1. They will impose the same ISDS structure that they have with NAFTA. This means that secret courts of two American and one non-America have the right to rule that British laws are incompatible with the FTA. For example, in Canada, this led to the Quebec government's law requiring GM products to be labelled being thrown out.
2. No US FTA would be acceptable if it did not allow full access of US agricultural products to the UK. This means that you will have the choice between expensive British products (because they are made to UK food standards) against cheap US ones (made to US standards).
3. The US, in all recent FTAs, requires that governments keep their intellectual property laws in lock step with the US. So, if the US changes the law on copyright length, we will be treaty bound to change ours.
Not soon no and certainly not pre Brexit but while there is obviously a lot to iron out in terms of what the US will require for any deal the USA remains the largest single destination for UK exports so minimising tariffs on those exports would benefit the UK economy.
I don't believe a Conservative government, whose majority is dependent on rural votes, would sign up to an FTA like that. I don't believe that those people (such as myself) who voted on sovereignty grounds would feel that swapping fealty to Brussels to fealty to Washington was an enormous improvement.
Do I sense a fraction of mood swing today? The Government is winning Brexit votes, the PM kicked Jezza's ass at PMQ's and looked physically better and more combative in doing so, Arlene says Corbyn would be disastrous for NI, Scottish Labour join Welsh Labour in chaos and Dent Coad continues to embarrass Labour. Then there's the ICM too.
@BBCJonSopel: And now @IvankaTrump weighs in on @MooreSenate saying “There’s a special place in hell for people who prey on children. I’ve yet to see a valid explanation and I have no reason to doubt the victims’ accounts.”
I might as well burn my bet slips on Roy Moore now.
Can we all forget about Sunday's thread?
Don't worry, Moore has just held a press conference where he has been able to cast a fair amount of doubt on one of his accusers (the one with the year book signature).
This will be seized upon to dismiss all accusations and make people forget he was banned from a mall for being creepy.
We do have a weekly food waste collection together with a trolley block of three containers, one for paper, one for plastic, and one for cardboard and glass
Impressive really, all our recycling stuff goes into the same recycling bin. Even then plenty of people put the wrong things in!
To be fair to Conwy the recycling is good but four weeks for a bin to be collected is too long for many
Basic mistake by Mugabe: don't annoy those at the top of the military.
Basic mistake by the military. Why is he still alive? In the GOT you win or you die. If he or his supporters win back power these people are toast.
One wonders how much Mugabe personally is able to wield power. He is very old, if he is confident the military will not make his remaining years uncomfortable, is it worth not fighting it? I suppose it's a question many dictators have to ask, and particularly if they are confident their families will get no blowback from those who replace them.
I would not be selling life insurance to his family. They are likely to become inconvenient.
That thought prompted me to wonder 'whatever happened to Colonel Gaddafi's son Saif Al-Islam, the person most likely to take over in that family at the time?
Saif al-Islam Gaddafi is reported to have been freed from jail in Libya after six years. So what next for the son of Col Muammar Gaddafi, who once appeared poised to succeed his father as leader of the North African country
Do I sense a fraction of mood swing today? The Government is winning Brexit votes, the PM kicked Jezza's ass at PMQ's and looked physically better and more combative in doing so, Arlene says Corbyn would be disastrous for NI, Scottish Labour join Welsh Labour in chaos and Dent Coad continues to embarrass Labour. Then there's the ICM too.
No doubt it will be all change again tomorrow.
Best call a snap election while it all looks good then
People who will buy British meat will tend to be of higher income anyway and buying it, for example British beef, for quality value and for some variety and to add to the interest at a dinner party, if British meat becomes relatively cheaper than it is now that will add to its attraction.
Who knows what the terms of trade are or will be, that will be up to years of negotiation but it is absurd that having left the EU we ultimately end up with a FTA with them while refusing the chance of a FTA with the largest destination for UK exports.
I would love an FTA with the US, but it should not come at any price. And we know what price the US extracts, because we can see the deals the US has cut with its close allies South Korea, Australia and Canada.
Do I sense a fraction of mood swing today? The Government is winning Brexit votes, the PM kicked Jezza's ass at PMQ's and looked physically better and more combative in doing so, Arlene says Corbyn would be disastrous for NI, Scottish Labour join Welsh Labour in chaos and Dent Coad continues to embarrass Labour. Then there's the ICM too.
No doubt it will be all change again tomorrow.
I said earlier today that the pre-election doubts about Corbyn are starting to surface again.
It says the money has already be paid to the High Court.
To be fair, we got paid the money for tanks and neither provided the tanks nor returned the money. The Iranians are in the right.
We owe a lot of money to lots of different places I imagine - being pressured into fulfilling the debts at specific moments time through the mistreatment of our citizens is still problematic as a potential trend, even if we certainly owe the nation in question. Hopefully things will work out.
People who will buy British meat will tend to be of higher income anyway and buying it, for example British beef, for quality value and for some variety and to add to the interest at a dinner party, if British meat becomes relatively cheaper than it is now that will add to its attraction.
Who knows what the terms of trade are or will be, that will be up to years of negotiation but it is absurd that having left the EU we ultimately end up with a FTA with them while refusing the chance of a FTA with the largest destination for UK exports.
I would love an FTA with the US, but it should not come at any price. And we know what price the US extracts, because we can see the deals the US has cut with its close allies South Korea, Australia and Canada.
As I said who knows what the price would be, that is up to the negotiators to hammer out but beyond a FTA with the EU, a FTA with the US and China and Switzerland must be our key priorities longer term as they are where most of our non-EU exports go.
Do I sense a fraction of mood swing today? The Government is winning Brexit votes, the PM kicked Jezza's ass at PMQ's and looked physically better and more combative in doing so, Arlene says Corbyn would be disastrous for NI, Scottish Labour join Welsh Labour in chaos and Dent Coad continues to embarrass Labour. Then there's the ICM too.
No doubt it will be all change again tomorrow.
Best call a snap election while it all looks good then
Do I sense a fraction of mood swing today? The Government is winning Brexit votes, the PM kicked Jezza's ass at PMQ's and looked physically better and more combative in doing so, Arlene says Corbyn would be disastrous for NI, Scottish Labour join Welsh Labour in chaos and Dent Coad continues to embarrass Labour. Then there's the ICM too.
No doubt it will be all change again tomorrow.
And Manfred Webber from the EU attends a meeting with TM, following her personal invitation, and emerged a different person full of hope so much so that Faisal Islam suggested TM may have increased the offer.
At the sale time noises in France that conciliation is needed as they want the UK as a close friend post Brexit
Basic mistake by Mugabe: don't annoy those at the top of the military.
Basic mistake by the military. Why is he still alive? In the GOT you win or you die. If he or his supporters win back power these people are toast.
One wonders how much Mugabe personally is able to wield power. He is very old, if he is confident the military will not make his remaining years uncomfortable, is it worth not fighting it? I suppose it's a question many dictators have to ask, and particularly if they are confident their families will get no blowback from those who replace them.
I would not be selling life insurance to his family. They are likely to become inconvenient.
That thought prompted me to wonder 'whatever happened to Colonel Gaddafi's son Saif Al-Islam, the person most likely to take over in that family at the time?
Saif al-Islam Gaddafi is reported to have been freed from jail in Libya after six years. So what next for the son of Col Muammar Gaddafi, who once appeared poised to succeed his father as leader of the North African country
Do I sense a fraction of mood swing today? The Government is winning Brexit votes, the PM kicked Jezza's ass at PMQ's and looked physically better and more combative in doing so, Arlene says Corbyn would be disastrous for NI, Scottish Labour join Welsh Labour in chaos and Dent Coad continues to embarrass Labour. Then there's the ICM too.
No doubt it will be all change again tomorrow.
Best call a snap election while it all looks good then
Even with ICM the Tories would have fewer seats than they do now so there will be no snap election but they would still be the largest party if there was to be one based on today's ICM.
Do I sense a fraction of mood swing today? The Government is winning Brexit votes, the PM kicked Jezza's ass at PMQ's and looked physically better and more combative in doing so, Arlene says Corbyn would be disastrous for NI, Scottish Labour join Welsh Labour in chaos and Dent Coad continues to embarrass Labour. Then there's the ICM too.
No doubt it will be all change again tomorrow.
Best call a snap election while it all looks good then
We need more car crash performances from Jeremy as per today's PMQ's and Brexit first
"Might be interesting if the Telegraph journalists (sic) took a trip to Sark and did an investigation into the Berkeley Brothers who currently live in their own little tax exile Brecqhou which is within throwing a cricket ball distance. They would find no shortage of Sarkese willing to speak to them."
As an occasional visitor to Sark I can confirm they have used their wealth to all but destroy the life on this once wonderfully sleepy carless feudal island. There's a great story to be told if any journalist can be bothered
Question for anyone who might know - are the Crown Dependencies Corbyn-proof?
Think the question is - is the UK economy Corbyn proof
Fair point. I have some expat relatives who are thinking about returning to the UK. My advice to them was to keep their cash off shore for now, even if they return.
I was reading about how McDonnell supposedly has a contingency plan to implement some sort of capital controls the other day... Strange, and worrying times.
It says the money has already be paid to the High Court.
To be fair, we got paid the money for tanks and neither provided the tanks nor returned the money. The Iranians are in the right.
We owe a lot of money to lots of different places I imagine - being pressured into fulfilling the debts at specific moments time through the mistreatment of our citizens is still problematic as a potential trend, even if we certainly owe the nation in question. Hopefully things will work out.
By the busload: £940m bill for Boris Johnson's mayoral 'vanity projects'
"Might be interesting if the Telegraph journalists (sic) took a trip to Sark and did an investigation into the Berkeley Brothers who currently live in their own little tax exile Brecqhou which is within throwing a cricket ball distance. They would find no shortage of Sarkese willing to speak to them."
As an occasional visitor to Sark I can confirm they have used their wealth to all but destroy the life on this once wonderfully sleepy carless feudal island. There's a great story to be told if any journalist can be bothered
Question for anyone who might know - are the Crown Dependencies Corbyn-proof?
Think the question is - is the UK economy Corbyn proof
Fair point. I have some expat relatives who are thinking about returning to the UK. My advice to them was to keep their cash off shore for now, even if they return.
I was reading about how McDonnell supposedly has a contingency plan to implement some sort of capital controls the other day... Strange, and worrying times.
McDonnell is a real and ever present danger to the UKs economy
People who will buy British meat will tend to be of higher income anyway and buying it, for example British beef, for quality value and for some variety and to add to the interest at a dinner party, if British meat becomes relatively cheaper than it is now that will add to its attraction.
Who knows what the terms of trade are or will be, that will be up to years of negotiation but it is absurd that having left the EU we ultimately end up with a FTA with them while refusing the chance of a FTA with the largest destination for UK exports.
I would love an FTA with the US, but it should not come at any price. And we know what price the US extracts, because we can see the deals the US has cut with its close allies South Korea, Australia and Canada.
As a point of national strategy, are we more or less likely to be able to get the right deal with the US, at the right price as part of the EU or on our own?
People who will buy British meat will tend to be of higher income anyway and buying it, for example British beef, for quality value and for some variety and to add to the interest at a dinner party, if British meat becomes relatively cheaper than it is now that will add to its attraction.
Who knows what the terms of trade are or will be, that will be up to years of negotiation but it is absurd that having left the EU we ultimately end up with a FTA with them while refusing the chance of a FTA with the largest destination for UK exports.
I would love an FTA with the US, but it should not come at any price. And we know what price the US extracts, because we can see the deals the US has cut with its close allies South Korea, Australia and Canada.
As a point of national strategy, are we more or less likely to be able to get the right deal with the US, at the right price as part of the EU or on our own?
Being as the EU have sided with Bombadier over the tariff war with Boeing announcing today they will refer the US to the WTO, I do not think the EU is in line for a deal with the US anytime soon
People who will buy British meat will tend to be of higher income anyway and buying it, for example British beef, for quality value and for some variety and to add to the interest at a dinner party, if British meat becomes relatively cheaper than it is now that will add to its attraction.
Who knows what the terms of trade are or will be, that will be up to years of negotiation but it is absurd that having left the EU we ultimately end up with a FTA with them while refusing the chance of a FTA with the largest destination for UK exports.
I would love an FTA with the US, but it should not come at any price. And we know what price the US extracts, because we can see the deals the US has cut with its close allies South Korea, Australia and Canada.
As a point of national strategy, are we more or less likely to be able to get the right deal with the US, at the right price as part of the EU or on our own?
On our own. As part of the EU we have to take into account the requirements of the other 27 countries as well as ourselves and the US.
People who will buy British meat will tend to be of higher income anyway and buying it, for example British beef, for quality value and for some variety and to add to the interest at a dinner party, if British meat becomes relatively cheaper than it is now that will add to its attraction.
Who knows what the terms of trade are or will be, that will be up to years of negotiation but it is absurd that having left the EU we ultimately end up with a FTA with them while refusing the chance of a FTA with the largest destination for UK exports.
I would love an FTA with the US, but it should not come at any price. And we know what price the US extracts, because we can see the deals the US has cut with its close allies South Korea, Australia and Canada.
As a point of national strategy, are we more or less likely to be able to get the right deal with the US, at the right price as part of the EU or on our own?
I don't think either the UK or the EU is likely to enter into a meaningful free trade agreement with the US while the current administration is in place.
It is possible that the next US administration has a different attitude, but even then, I would be very surprised if the concessions required would be acceptable to the UK government.
"Might be interesting if the Telegraph journalists (sic) took a trip to Sark and did an investigation into the Berkeley Brothers who currently live in their own little tax exile Brecqhou which is within throwing a cricket ball distance. They would find no shortage of Sarkese willing to speak to them."
As an occasional visitor to Sark I can confirm they have used their wealth to all but destroy the life on this once wonderfully sleepy carless feudal island. There's a great story to be told if any journalist can be bothered
Question for anyone who might know - are the Crown Dependencies Corbyn-proof?
The Crown Dependencies report to the Crown, not the U.K. Prime Minister. Rights date back to the Treaty of Paris in 1259.
"Might be interesting if the Telegraph journalists (sic) took a trip to Sark and did an investigation into the Berkeley Brothers who currently live in their own little tax exile Brecqhou which is within throwing a cricket ball distance. They would find no shortage of Sarkese willing to speak to them."
As an occasional visitor to Sark I can confirm they have used their wealth to all but destroy the life on this once wonderfully sleepy carless feudal island. There's a great story to be told if any journalist can be bothered
Question for anyone who might know - are the Crown Dependencies Corbyn-proof?
Think the question is - is the UK economy Corbyn proof
Fair point. I have some expat relatives who are thinking about returning to the UK. My advice to them was to keep their cash off shore for now, even if they return.
I was reading about how McDonnell supposedly has a contingency plan to implement some sort of capital controls the other day... Strange, and worrying times.
McDonnell is a real and ever present danger to the UKs economy
Yes, it is important to keep up the pretence that foreknowledge of Brexit trashing the economy is an abstract fear of Corbyn not Brexit.
To all those who think that Brexit is in trouble need to read the guardian, yes the guardian's, report on the meeting between Manfred Webber and TM today which looks like breakthrough is coming in the next couple of weeks and Webber is looking to extend the talks beyond Barnier
"Might be interesting if the Telegraph journalists (sic) took a trip to Sark and did an investigation into the Berkeley Brothers who currently live in their own little tax exile Brecqhou which is within throwing a cricket ball distance. They would find no shortage of Sarkese willing to speak to them."
As an occasional visitor to Sark I can confirm they have used their wealth to all but destroy the life on this once wonderfully sleepy carless feudal island. There's a great story to be told if any journalist can be bothered
Question for anyone who might know - are the Crown Dependencies Corbyn-proof?
Think the question is - is the UK economy Corbyn proof
Fair point. I have some expat relatives who are thinking about returning to the UK. My advice to them was to keep their cash off shore for now, even if they return.
I was reading about how McDonnell supposedly has a contingency plan to implement some sort of capital controls the other day... Strange, and worrying times.
McDonnell is a real and ever present danger to the UKs economy
Yes, it is important to keep up the pretence that foreknowledge of Brexit trashing the economy is an abstract fear of Corbyn not Brexit.
You may find that the news tonight of an impending deal with the EU will change the narrative considerably ( see the guardian)
To all those who think that Brexit is in trouble need to read the guardian, yes the guardian's, report on the meeting between Manfred Webber and TM today which looks like breakthrough is coming in the next couple of weeks and Webber is looking to extend the talks beyond Barnier
Really encouraging news
Maybe why Theresa was on the top of her game at PMQ's
"Might be interesting if the Telegraph journalists (sic) took a trip to Sark and did an investigation into the Berkeley Brothers who currently live in their own little tax exile Brecqhou which is within throwing a cricket ball distance. They would find no shortage of Sarkese willing to speak to them."
As an occasional visitor to Sark I can confirm they have used their wealth to all but destroy the life on this once wonderfully sleepy carless feudal island. There's a great story to be told if any journalist can be bothered
Question for anyone who might know - are the Crown Dependencies Corbyn-proof?
The Crown Dependencies report to the Crown, not the U.K. Prime Minister. Rights date back to the Treaty of Paris in 1259.
"Might be interesting if the Telegraph journalists (sic) took a trip to Sark and did an investigation into the Berkeley Brothers who currently live in their own little tax exile Brecqhou which is within throwing a cricket ball distance. They would find no shortage of Sarkese willing to speak to them."
As an occasional visitor to Sark I can confirm they have used their wealth to all but destroy the life on this once wonderfully sleepy carless feudal island. There's a great story to be told if any journalist can be bothered
Question for anyone who might know - are the Crown Dependencies Corbyn-proof?
The Crown Dependencies report to the Crown, not the U.K. Prime Minister. Rights date back to the Treaty of Paris in 1259.
People who will buy British meat will tend to be of higher income anyway and buying it, for example British beef, for quality value and for some variety and to add to the interest at a dinner party, if British meat becomes relatively cheaper than it is now that will add to its attraction.
Who knows what the terms of trade are or will be, that will be up to years of negotiation but it is absurd that having left the EU we ultimately end up with a FTA with them while refusing the chance of a FTA with the largest destination for UK exports.
I would love an FTA with the US, but it should not come at any price. And we know what price the US extracts, because we can see the deals the US has cut with its close allies South Korea, Australia and Canada.
As a point of national strategy, are we more or less likely to be able to get the right deal with the US, at the right price as part of the EU or on our own?
If we can't negotiate an acceptable FTA as part of the heft of the EU it'll be impossible to do one as just the UK. The asymmetric nature of the concessions involved make it impossible. Even a Conservative government with a Thatcher sized majority couldn't get it through. Once you added every voter to the left of Kenneth Clarke to the NFU, the Daily Mail and the entire Green lobby it would be a blood bath.
And the clever Brexiters know it. Look at Gove's moves on CCTV in abattoirs and neonicotinoids recently. He's trying to close off convergence with the States not start it.
People who will buy British meat will tend to be of higher income anyway and buying it, for example British beef, for quality value and for some variety and to add to the interest at a dinner party, if British meat becomes relatively cheaper than it is now that will add to its attraction.
Who knows what the terms of trade are or will be, that will be up to years of negotiation but it is absurd that having left the EU we ultimately end up with a FTA with them while refusing the chance of a FTA with the largest destination for UK exports.
I would love an FTA with the US, but it should not come at any price. And we know what price the US extracts, because we can see the deals the US has cut with its close allies South Korea, Australia and Canada.
"Might be interesting if the Telegraph journalists (sic) took a trip to Sark and did an investigation into the Berkeley Brothers who currently live in their own little tax exile Brecqhou which is within throwing a cricket ball distance. They would find no shortage of Sarkese willing to speak to them."
As an occasional visitor to Sark I can confirm they have used their wealth to all but destroy the life on this once wonderfully sleepy carless feudal island. There's a great story to be told if any journalist can be bothered
Question for anyone who might know - are the Crown Dependencies Corbyn-proof?
The Crown Dependencies report to the Crown, not the U.K. Prime Minister. Rights date back to the Treaty of Paris in 1259.
Superb. Thanks for this! It will put my relatives minds at ease...
Looks like Corbyn will have to abolish the Monarchy to get his hands on them
Don’t give him ideas!
Fun fact - the US State is New Jersey because Jersey stayed loyal to the Crown during the Civil war unlike Guernsey which sided with Parliament (Well, most of Guernsey - Castle Cornet stayed loyal, which given its proximity to St Peter Port led to the occasional exchange of canon fire) and after the restoration the king awarded the new province to a couple of his Jersey mates....
"Might be interesting if the Telegraph journalists (sic) took a trip to Sark and did an investigation into the Berkeley Brothers who currently live in their own little tax exile Brecqhou which is within throwing a cricket ball distance. They would find no shortage of Sarkese willing to speak to them."
As an occasional visitor to Sark I can confirm they have used their wealth to all but destroy the life on this once wonderfully sleepy carless feudal island. There's a great story to be told if any journalist can be bothered
Question for anyone who might know - are the Crown Dependencies Corbyn-proof?
The Crown Dependencies report to the Crown, not the U.K. Prime Minister. Rights date back to the Treaty of Paris in 1259.
Superb. Thanks for this! It will put my relatives minds at ease...
Looks like Corbyn will have to abolish the Monarchy to get his hands on them
Don’t give him ideas!
Fun fact - the US State is New Jersey because Jersey stayed loyal to the Crown during the Civil war unlike Guernsey which sided with Parliament (Well, most of Guernsey - Castle Cornet stayed loyal, which given its proximity to St Peter Port led to the occasional exchange of canon fire) and after the restoration the king awarded the new province to a couple of his Jersey mates....
Some discussion about Nazanin and “Diplomatic Protection” ...
Sadly that piece doesn't mention the dual nationality issue which badly complicates this case. It restricts the availability of diplomatic protection. Also, Iran doesn't recognise dual nationality (dual nationals are treated as Iranian only). From earlier today:
I doubt whether there’s much in the FO arsenal that would satisfy the family, given that Iran doesn’t recognise her UK citizenship and shows no signs of wanting to play ball.
Diplomatic protection allows a country to take up the cause of a national whose rights/interests have been injured by another state (I repeat: this is not the same as "diplomatic immunity"), but this can only apply once the local appeals process is exhausted – has it been yet? Even then there are still issues with the Master Nationality Rule: Article 4 of the Convention on Certain Questions Relating to the Conflict of Nationality Laws of 1930 means that "a State may not afford diplomatic protection to one of its nationals against a state whose nationality such person also possesses."
It would take some cunning legal work to demonstrate she was even eligible for diplomatic protection, and I can’t see the Iranians accepting such an argument. And even diplomatic protection isn’t a get-out-of-jail card. It seems to me the sad truth is that she’s stuffed, and is likely to remain so until such a point as the Iranian government might find it convenient to unstuff her.
Note that the Master Nationality Rule is one reason some governments encourage citizens to consider dropping their other nationalities – because retaining them renders them more vulnerable in situations like this. (I believe this is the official advice of the USA for example.)
Diplomatic protection is not especially powerful. It's generally been seen as desirable for the scope of diplomatic protection to be limited because it stops strong states bullying weak ones. See e.g. the Calvo Doctrine – Latin American countries being less than keen for the USA to exercise its power on disputes involving U.S. investments in the region, so hold "that jurisdiction in international investment disputes lies with the country in which the investment is located" rather than with the nationality of the investor. To combine this with another theme of today, several of Russia’s neighbours have for years been alarmed at how it has been handing out dual Russian citizenship to Kremlin-friendly inhabitants of their border areas, providing a pretext of “protecting Russian nationals” when the time is ripe (as has been exercised in Georgia and Ukraine).
"Might be interesting if the Telegraph journalists (sic) took a trip to Sark and did an investigation into the Berkeley Brothers who currently live in their own little tax exile Brecqhou which is within throwing a cricket ball distance. They would find no shortage of Sarkese willing to speak to them."
As an occasional visitor to Sark I can confirm they have used their wealth to all but destroy the life on this once wonderfully sleepy carless feudal island. There's a great story to be told if any journalist can be bothered
Question for anyone who might know - are the Crown Dependencies Corbyn-proof?
The Crown Dependencies report to the Crown, not the U.K. Prime Minister. Rights date back to the Treaty of Paris in 1259.
Superb. Thanks for this! It will put my relatives minds at ease...
Looks like Corbyn will have to abolish the Monarchy to get his hands on them
Don’t give him ideas!
Fun fact - the US State is New Jersey because Jersey stayed loyal to the Crown during the Civil war unlike Guernsey which sided with Parliament (Well, most of Guernsey - Castle Cornet stayed loyal, which given its proximity to St Peter Port led to the occasional exchange of canon fire) and after the restoration the king awarded the new province to a couple of his Jersey mates....
I Hadn’t heard that. Cool fact.
Its always tickled me that a US state is named because of loyalty to the Crown over Parliament!
"Might be interesting if the Telegraph journalists (sic) took a trip to Sark and did an investigation into the Berkeley Brothers who currently live in their own little tax exile Brecqhou which is within throwing a cricket ball distance. They would find no shortage of Sarkese willing to speak to them."
As an occasional visitor to Sark I can confirm they have used their wealth to all but destroy the life on this once wonderfully sleepy carless feudal island. There's a great story to be told if any journalist can be bothered
Question for anyone who might know - are the Crown Dependencies Corbyn-proof?
The Crown Dependencies report to the Crown, not the U.K. Prime Minister. Rights date back to the Treaty of Paris in 1259.
Superb. Thanks for this! It will put my relatives minds at ease...
Looks like Corbyn will have to abolish the Monarchy to get his hands on them
Parliament can legislate unilaterally for the Crown Dependencies, although it usually does so with their consent. Acts do not apply to them unless explicitly stated to do so.
"Might be interesting if the Telegraph journalists (sic) took a trip to Sark and did an investigation into the Berkeley Brothers who currently live in their own little tax exile Brecqhou which is within throwing a cricket ball distance. They would find no shortage of Sarkese willing to speak to them."
As an occasional visitor to Sark I can confirm they have used their wealth to all but destroy the life on this once wonderfully sleepy carless feudal island. There's a great story to be told if any journalist can be bothered
Question for anyone who might know - are the Crown Dependencies Corbyn-proof?
The Crown Dependencies report to the Crown, not the U.K. Prime Minister. Rights date back to the Treaty of Paris in 1259.
Superb. Thanks for this! It will put my relatives minds at ease...
Looks like Corbyn will have to abolish the Monarchy to get his hands on them
Don’t give him ideas!
Fun fact - the US State is New Jersey because Jersey stayed loyal to the Crown during the Civil war unlike Guernsey which sided with Parliament (Well, most of Guernsey - Castle Cornet stayed loyal, which given its proximity to St Peter Port led to the occasional exchange of canon fire) and after the restoration the king awarded the new province to a couple of his Jersey mates....
I Hadn’t heard that. Cool fact.
Its always tickled me that a US state is named because of loyalty to the Crown over Parliament!
Lord Baltimore was given some land in the States because he allowed King Charles to dance with his wife at a state ball...
Edit: I should add that his wife was called Mary Calvert (Calvert being the Baltimore family name)
To all those who think that Brexit is in trouble need to read the guardian, yes the guardian's, report on the meeting between Manfred Webber and TM today which looks like breakthrough is coming in the next couple of weeks and Webber is looking to extend the talks beyond Barnier
Really encouraging news
Maybe why Theresa was on the top of her game at PMQ's
If she offers up Euro 60 billion without linking it to the actual delivery of a trade deal, it might be the last PMQs that she gets to face.
Hague in the Telegraph stated that the EU will not get a penny until the trade deal is 'ratified'. This is the real issue. The trade deal will not be ratified until well after Brexit. Will May insist that the two are linked or not?
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Not soon no and certainly not pre Brexit but while there is obviously a lot to iron out in terms of what the US will require for any deal the USA remains the largest single destination for UK exports so minimising tariffs on those exports would benefit the UK economy.
It knows its readership, more educated than Mail and Sun readers but more anti EU and even more Tory than Times readers.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election/
But then so would a dead haddock.
297 - 313
Govt maj 16.
Pretty similar again.
Pity it isn't a coup though, don't military juntas often come up with fantastically dull names for their new order, like the Committee for the Reestablishment of Order and Democracy in the Homeland For a Better Future? Or Committee for Organising Unity Patriotically?
"Might be interesting if the Telegraph journalists (sic) took a trip to Sark and did an investigation into the Berkeley Brothers who currently live in their own little tax exile Brecqhou which is within throwing a cricket ball distance. They would find no shortage of Sarkese willing to speak to them."
As an occasional visitor to Sark I can confirm they have used their wealth to all but destroy the life on this once wonderfully sleepy carless feudal island. There's a great story to be told if any journalist can be bothered
Having a FTA with the USA, our largest single export market, much as we are likely to ultimately have a FTA with the EU, our largest export market combined together, is also hardly swapping fealty to Brussels to fealty to Washington.
Now, such an FTA would be excellent for certain parts of the UK - like makers of Scotch whisky. But it would be a disaster for most rural constituencies. And it would create an unlevel playing field where British farmers are required to operate to much higher standards than American ones.
Secondly, do you honestly believe that the US would swap their insistence on their particular brand of ISDS tribunals? They are signficantly more denuding of sovereignty than (for example) the EFTA court. Do you think it would be acceptable for two US judges to rule (in secret) that a British law on food labelling constituted a non-tariff barrier and was therefore not allowed?
Who knows what the terms of trade are or will be, that will be up to years of negotiation but it is absurd that having left the EU we ultimately end up with a FTA with them while refusing the chance of a FTA with the largest destination for UK exports.
No doubt it will be all change again tomorrow.
This will be seized upon to dismiss all accusations and make people forget he was banned from a mall for being creepy.
To be fair, we got paid the money for tanks and neither provided the tanks nor returned the money. The Iranians are in the right.
Saif al-Islam Gaddafi is reported to have been freed from jail in Libya after six years. So what next for the son of Col Muammar Gaddafi, who once appeared poised to succeed his father as leader of the North African country
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-40246964
How'd I miss that?! Oh wait, '12 June 2017', now I get it.
At the sale time noises in France that conciliation is needed as they want the UK as a close friend post Brexit
I was reading about how McDonnell supposedly has a contingency plan to implement some sort of capital controls the other day... Strange, and worrying times.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/18/bridge-940m-bill-boris-johnsons-mayora-vanity-projects-garden-bridge-routemaster-bus?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Not cheap doing business via Boris
Trump Warns that Dumping Roy Moore Could Start a Dangerous Trend of Believing Women
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-warns-that-dumping-roy-moore-could-start-a-dangerous-trend-of-believing-women?mbid=nl_Humor 111517&CNDID=13103363&spMailingID=12368097&spUserID=MTQxOTMwNDQ5NDM0S0&spJobID=1281438479&spReportId=MTI4MTQzODQ3OQS2
Iran certainly has taken back control
It is possible that the next US administration has a different attitude, but even then, I would be very surprised if the concessions required would be acceptable to the UK government.
https://www.jerseylaw.je/publications/jglr/PDF Documents/JLR1502_Dawes.pdf
Really encouraging news
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-41971648
And the clever Brexiters know it. Look at Gove's moves on CCTV in abattoirs and neonicotinoids recently. He's trying to close off convergence with the States not start it.
Fun fact - the US State is New Jersey because Jersey stayed loyal to the Crown during the Civil war unlike Guernsey which sided with Parliament (Well, most of Guernsey - Castle Cornet stayed loyal, which given its proximity to St Peter Port led to the occasional exchange of canon fire) and after the restoration the king awarded the new province to a couple of his Jersey mates....
Edit: I should add that his wife was called Mary Calvert (Calvert being the Baltimore family name)
Hague in the Telegraph stated that the EU will not get a penny until the trade deal is 'ratified'. This is the real issue. The trade deal will not be ratified until well after Brexit. Will May insist that the two are linked or not?