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In the last thread there was a lot of discussion about the precise definition of what particular markets mean. What exactly, for instance, is defined as Britain leaving the EU?
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Staggering figures reveal there were 4.2million calls to the welfare scheme’s 0345 advice number between April and September.
The Government said that on average claimants spent 11 minutes 46 seconds on the phone – including 4 minutes waiting in a queue.
Campaigners claimed that with an average landline fee of up to 12p – phone companies have raked in around £6.5million from some of the poorest people in the country.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4907402/brits-spend-6-5m-universal-credit-5-months/
Net Fav among 2017 own voters:
Corby: +60
May: +50
Cable: +26
Surprised the old bookmakers survive and thrive with Betfair out there.
The exchange seems a better model for punters to me.
I was less than happy with Betfair Sportsbook deciding to not pay out on my 2.4 winning bet on Hamilton not to be on the podium. Upon contacting them yesterday I did get £25 (only as bonus, so non-withdrawable/transferable), which is something, but I'm still perplexed by the initial voiding (apparently it was because Hamilton started from the pit lane, a fact that was public knowledge the day before I made the bet).
In other faffing news, it seems I may have to return some boots I ordered. Somehow, the left one fits very well, and the right one wants to chew my ankle. Humbug.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/930382346343337984
Voiding bets presumably means they are the loser since they don't get commission?
At least with the betfair model you know they aren't incentivised to screw you over.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41973043
One was not amused.
The other one that gets me, is the fact that KYC/AML checks are done when a customer wishes to withdraw.
I know it might cause some inconvienience but why aren't these checks done on deposit ?!
Hopefully @Morris_Dancer will have his F1 bet swiftly corrected - a couple of mentions of IBAS and the ludicrous position that each way in a baseball related bet I had recently meant 1/1 1 place !! was dismissed and the appropriate bet settled properly.
Her next conversation with Trump will be interesting......
To be fair to them they did take the trouble to ring me and explain and offer me an ex gratia payment (£20) that was probably more than my book was worth at the time.
As soon as the voting by judges happened it was clear he was going to be in the bottom two, took Betfair and everyone else about an hour to realise.
Twice in the last year they've paid out bets that they shouldn't have paid out and let me keep the money.
Brussels has run up vast debts on our behalf. If we want Brexit to be a success, we must pay them.
Nearly every negotiation comes to a crunch moment, following which it is highly likely to end in agreement or alternatively be doomed to failure. When we Tories were negotiating our coalition with the Liberal Democrats, the crunch came over whether, in return for them backing us on the economy, tuition fees, Europe and many other issues, we would offer a referendum on electoral reform.
We decided there was so much at stake, and the prize of ousting Gordon Brown was so worthwhile, that we would indeed give them such a referendum. That decision was vindicated when the sensible voters rejected changing the voting system, leaving the Liberals following most of our policies with little in return, and therefore well and truly kippered.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/13/brussels-has-run-vast-debts-behalf-want-brexit-success-must/
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/930382903787343872
Did anyone here get paid a winning bet on this market, based on the number of Labour MPs who retired at the election? Bill Hill owes an explaination here.
This is May's big problem. She can't be the PM everyone wants her to be because the 'international order' she praises in her speech has her balls in a jar. They don't have Putin's, hence the constant and ever more ridiculous screaming accusations and war drums.
The UK needs a new foreign policy aimed (as it always used to be) at balance of powers, not supporting US hegemony.
What we can’t do is go into next year without a clear direction one way or the other - businesses need to make plans and if the EU just want to keep pointing at the clock and the large cheque, then we’re better off saying now that we’ll leave to WTO terms and spending our efforts over the next 18 months organising it.
It is not a resignation to discontinue with an arrangement when the time for renewal of that arrangement is up.
The money laundering act is the sameat both bookies though.
You were saying?
And if you really want desperate:
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/930385972776308737
"There used to be a tradition in Fleet Street newspapers called "banging out". It involved an employee, on the day he retired after a life-time's stalwart service to his chosen rag, being walked by his colleagues through the presses in the print room. As he wandered towards his rendezvous with a carriage clock, the printers serenaded him by whacking the metal benches with their hammers, beating out a ceremonial slow-march to mark his departure."
I have escalated the matter to William Hill's 'Second Opinion' team and they have replied standing their ground. They say:
1. They often settle bets using synonymous wording, giving the example of 'Next manager of' is settled if a 'Head Coach' is appointed;
2. Labour Party Rules cover the eventuality of MPs not standing for re-election, calling it 'Retiring'; and
3. "The word 'resign' is also a synonym of retire".
Of more concern is the way that online transactions with a bookmaker work differently to those in a shop. Online, they have a profile of you and will do everything possible to restrict you if you start winning. The regulations around bookmakers are all based on the tradional shops though, where they take money at an agreed price from whoever walks in.
Nobody would feel misled if they stated any of this up front.
It's not as if the FIA didn't award him championship points.
Sounds pretty sharp practice to me, Mr.D.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/coral-wins-case-over-rangers-relegation-bet-1-4392539
He lost the whip rather than being suspended from the Assembly, before his death. An internal party matter rather than one from the Assembly itself.
And as political punters, we should be wary of wanting that in any case: there'd be fewer of these casual markets overall, and thus fewer opportunities to make money.
Of course Hills don't want any of this trouble - my guess is that they've been persuaded to settle on 7 or more (who wouldn't try asking?) and are now sticking to that somewhat stubbornly. But I think they're pretty clearly in the wrong.
EDIT: I should also state that I think it's vanishingly unlikely that Hills have made their decision based upon P/L.
"token ghetto boy", and "ghetto man low-life".
It's a shame because I still only have the two accounts (Ladbrokes and Betfair). Betfair's Oddsonthat market can be quite interesting but if they void bets it's less than encouraging.
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/930395451119095808
What is the politics?
Guido has repeatedly put this to Dent Coad over the last two days. She has declined to comment. It’s another Jared O’Mara case – Labour clearly didn’t vet this candidate, and now the people of Kensington have ended up with a fruitcake for an MP…
Not to mention that a lot of recruitment is time-sensitive around specific events (e.g. Grand National).
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/the-russian-troll-farm-that-weaponized-facebook-had-american-boots-on-the-ground
A number of sitting MPs decide not to stand again. Have they "resigned"? I think they have. The contingency which allowed them to remain MPs was standing again for election. They didn't. They were not necessarily "retiring". The plonkers who went off to run the V&A or become Mayor of Liverpool did not "retire", they went off to do something more interesting. Why is a sitting MP who chooses to do likewise at an election any different? It is true that they gained an opportunity to do so which they might not have expected but they have still decided that they no longer wanted to be MPs and acted accordingly.
I think the fairest thing to do would be to void the bet on the grounds of the unexpected and unprovided for contingency. But I do think they have a point.
When you get stubborn people prepared to put seriously high bonds behind their chosen answer, it falls back on an arbitrator, who, for a very attractive fee, is prepared to wade into the trickier questions and make a judgement. I've got this thing up on the test network of the Ethereum system, which uses play money instead of real, valuable, magic internet money. I'm set up as the arbitrator, and I've been tasked with arbitrating the question:
In Saudi Arabia, do female characters in the game Mario Kart wear burkas?
Does anyone know, or have any idea how I could find out?
It's a shame as there can be interesting bets there, but an element of trust is required.
It's a view.
A different club with a similar name was formed.
If they had any sense and were mature they would unite behind the Government to get the best deal from Europe and then, if as so many think, we end up in an economic armageddon, there will be an overwhelming demand to rejoin.
That process would go some way to heal the divisions but when have politicians ever acted in a mature manner
19/11/2013 Single To Win
No @ 4/7
|Will Berlusconi be a PDL candidate in t
Will Silvio Berlusconi be a PDL candidate at the next general election?
Unless FI counts as PDL...
edit: I can see that was your point all along