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Sir Michael Fallon quit after Andrea Leadsom accuses him of lewd comments https://t.co/w6BmQeJEc5
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Thus ends a political career.
It all leads back to Brexit.
Efecto mariposa
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5044825/Kevin-Spacey-tried-rape-boy-15.html
And then there is this - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/02/political-correctness-allowing-islamic-terrorism-flourish-government/
The Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, no stranger to trouble already, may well be very close to the chair below the noose being kicked away.
Jared Kushner's positioning is very interesting. There have been rumours he's been pretty co-operative, without quite being a supergrass, but there is talk he is about to come under some very serious pressure from the current investigation.
LD 3 (+3)
Lab 1(=)
Con 0 (-3)
2 more Con defences to come. Not a good night for Cons.
She then quoted a joke she objected to at a local student union many years ago - and claimed people 'like Andrew (Neil)' would have found it funny and accused her of having a sense of humour by pass for objecting to it.
She then told the joke - how do you fit 100 Jewish people in a taxi being the opening line. I won't give the punchline but it involved an ashtray.
Neil then got very angry with her to put it mildly! Indeed she was annoying him the whole show as she wouldn't shut up and allow him to move on to the next segment.
Nothing further from the truth.
A no-deal Brexit should have, if that were true, put us back in the position we had prior to Lisbon (or prior to 1973). Ie, trade deals in place with other countries and possibly even the other EU states themselves.
But it's rubbish. Leaving the EU, especially without a deal, puts us almost as a new state in the world. No trade deals with any other country on day 1. Even if we manage to secure a deal with the EU, it still leaves us on day 1 with no other deals with any other nation.
And the timetable to agree anything with the EU was farcically short. Two years. It took 40 to get where we are. Whilst taking 40 to get out shouldn't be required, it should have been more like 5.
But that's the EU's fault. Put in a provision 'pretending' that you can leave, but make it so difficult to do that no sane government would want to. What the EU forgot about (as they always do) is democracy and a country holding a referendum to leave.
There is briefing that Trump has lost faith in Kushner... previously he has been loyal to family but I wonder if that will change...
If you are going to engineer a social change over sexual garrassmemt, then making a show over an ostensibly trivial case, from fifteen years ago - where the 'victim' herself thinks it beyond ridiculous that Fallon resigned - then you are more likely to split the country down the middle than achieve your aim.
Allowing a list to circulate which conflates stories of genuine harassment with entirely consensual (but potentially embarrassing) behaviour makes the matter worse.
Are we going to end up with US style culture wars where even the most blatant behaviour gets defended by the anti PC group almost as a badge of honour ? That would be utterly toxic to a cohesive society, and would be antithetical to who we are as a nation.
There's a deep sickness in Labour that shows it symptoms frequently - for instance the covering up of its rampant antisemitism.
@britainelects 7h7 hours ago
Liberal Democrat GAIN Braunton East (North Devon) from Conservative.
Duke's (Sefton) result:
LDEM: 56.0% (+28.4)
CON: 26.3% (-9.4)
LAB: 13.9% (-2.3)
UKIP: 2.3% (-13.5)
GRN: 1.5% (-3.1)
@britainelects 6h6 hours ago
Aldwick West (Arun) result:
LDEM: 52.7% (+34.2)
CON: 35.2% (-16.7)
LAB: 8.2% (+8.2)
GRN: 4.0% (+4.0)
LDem GAIN from Con.
East Grinstead Imberhorne (Mid Sussex) result:
CON: 58.5% (-2.0)
LDEM: 22.3% (+22.3)
LAB: 11.9% (-8.7)
IND: 7.3% (+7.3)
No UKIP (-18.8).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41854582
There’s GOT to be more to it than that, but is it a manufactured plot to take our attention from the Horlicks of Brexit?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41853561
Does Andrea have a dirty mind?
Can we please have some evidence to support this remarkable suggestion that she's sufficiently intelligent and well-organised to do so?!!!
But if as has been suggested this was a joke made as one of many many inappropriate comments, and Leadsome had not encouraged the behaviour, then yes it should be a resigning matter. The latter scenario is sexually controlling and manipulative.
Doesn't sound she was in the wrong.
Do Tories not like people with cold hands?
Without going into details, if it is found that she was able to have her path smoothed for this holiday by agreeing to meet senior officials, she's toast.
Boris asked me to ...............
David was staring at my ................
The current climate is dangerous for every male MP
And no, I’m not a lizard-maniac!
I guess there're different rules for business and leisure.
I thought you didn't even need a VISA to visit Israel...
That said, I would not consider somebody who had behaved as Fallon admits he has behaved fit to work in a school. That further said, he doesn't.
On a different topic, how are things with you? Was there ever any resolution of that disaster over the hotel bed?
You don't need a visa, but they are pretty sticky unless you have accreditation from the person you are visiting (I'm guessing that's how your friends got in, Josias).
Even then as I found they ask some pretty searching questions. One member of the party was even strip-searched.
Worth it when you get in though.
We now have a problem when we return home next week.
They are refusing on safety grounds to return the gantry hoist we have been using for the last 10 month and which they agree we need. Although of course we could buy the exact same model privately. They have agreed to provide and fit a ceiling hoist but that may take 12 weeks!!
I am up at Director of Adult Care level so far and seriously considering involving my MP
Hope Mrs BJO feels better once she's back with family. Best wishes to you both.
I have to go to work. Have a good morning everyone.
Hebron was the only really threatening place to visit. The IDF didn't like us going there, but apart from being rude at thr roadblocks didn't stop us.
I would quite like to go back and see more.
My visit was just after Protective Edge, so perhaps they were extra jumpy. Strange was that once I got through it was fine!
Have a good morning.
I see someone in their last day at Twitter deactivated Trumps account LOL
Don't get me wrong, I have no sympathy for Fallon whatsoever, but the manner of his resignation is deeply unsatisfactory.
Next summer I am off to the World Cup so am anticipating Russian security as part of the experience. I got SF tickets in the lottery.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5044829/Andrea-Leadsom-revealed-Fallon-s-secret-accuser.html
That he was punished for inappropriate behaviour, rather begs the question of where do you stop. If, in different times you were spanked as a child for misbehaviour, is that enough to stop or curb any future career, on the other hand, if you were spanked in a house of ill repute.... An exaggeration certainly, but?
A culture where that is tolerated does create space and opportunity for real offenses though, as we saw with Saville and Harris.
https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/926353609981353984
Mr. Jessop, I agree entirely. It's in danger of becoming like the expenses scandal, which was horrendously misreported and tarred the innocent or mildly guilty to the same degree as the very guilty, which allowed the latter to go without the full scrutiny they deserved.
Mr. B, quite. I was going to make a sarcastic comparison along the evil Tory cuts versus kind Labour cuts line, but it's rather too serious a subject.
In Syria, ISIS looks very much on its last legs:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41856330
Meanwhile one former Twitter employee has ensured that he never get another job anywhere in the tech sector ever again!
The most serious allegation, made against at least two political parties so far, is that of covering up complaints rather than addressing them.
This brave young lady needs her story to stay in the news and not be crowded out by hands on knees from a decade and a half ago.
https://twitter.com/bexbailey/status/925726372730949632
The major reason is that being at the top in politics means you need to form personal (non-sexual) relationships, just as we all do at work. Anyone working with Leadsom from now on will be too busy watching their mouths and wondering whether anything they say - however innocently - will be misconstrued.
Basically: she will not be trusted. And given her sick and backward views, that's all to the good. She's not fit for any office, yet alone high office.
http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/kevin-spacey-alleged-sexual-relationship.html
I think that the only way this makes sense is if Fallon has an existing reputation for making such comments and now someone has stuck her head above the parapet it is assumed others might come forward with other examples.
It's important to address such things as early as possible. If you say something you object to, tell them. It's then up to them to decide if you're being silly, or apologise, or alter their behaviour in future. Letting it fester just allows the behaviour to worsen.
Mrs J works in a very male environment, and there are such comments made. In some cases, she joins in because they're a reaction to a situation, and light-hearted, amongst people she likes and trusts. In a previous job she and others were bullied (non-sexually), and any such comments would have got a very different reaction.
I've no doubt the men making the comments at this company would not make them to strangers, or in different company. Its the mutual trust that helps.
Sheesh.....
If anyone has sick and backward views it’s those who think it ok for grown up men to behave like oafs around their female colleagues. And, to be clear, around their male colleagues since (a) men can be the target of abuse and (b) most men are decent human beings who don’t approve of this sort of behaviour.
(I do hope I’ve misunderstood you.)
There’s also a bunch of other Hollywood names waiting to be exposed for some very shocking and deviant sexual behaviour. Probably only a matter of time for most of them.
The problem for me is that the whole debate over sexual harassment is descending into a confused morass, and no one is providing clear leadership.
The contrast with the way in which Cameron rather adroitly managed a change in social attitudes over gay marriage is notable.
And maybe even stop Brexit.
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/926170139053232128
It is unlikely to be Corbyn who stops Brexit. Instead Clegg is hosting a £2000 a table 'Stop Brexit' dinner at a Knightsbridge hotel next week to be addressed by Anna Soubry and Chuka Umunna. They are the real 'Stop Brexiteers'.
https://order-order.com/2017/11/02/clegg-hosting-christmas-dinner-for-remain-elite-at-5-star-knightsbridge-hotel/
We are not yet at Saville, Harris or Weinstein levels though. My point is that a workplace culture that considers the first as banter, creates a climate where much worse can happen.