Cameron isn't going anywhere, almost certainly. This has all happened too quickly for his reputation to become staked on it, and Ed got a bloody nose too. Indeed, Labour's motion makes it much easier for Cameron to claim the Commons is simply anti-war instead of anti-him.
What a clown we have for a Prime Minister and thank God we have more sensible MPs than the Prime Minister and his deputy. A disaster for Clegg in my opinion
The No's have it for the government bill.Cue lots of ..."well this vote didn't matter"...."he did better than Ed"...."It was actually a win for Cameron"....."Dave actually won, even though he didn't ...err....win".
Anyone who uses the expression "WMDs" is either a propagandist or a buffoon. Chemical weapons are no more or less bad than other mundane weapons. Nuclear weapons are utterly catastrophic and could put an end to civilisatio nin the northern hemisphere. There is no honest reason to lump the two together: it's only done to give Western leaders an excuse to get their war on.
I don't agree. You also missed a third: biological. The term 'NBC' refers to Nuclear, Biological and Chemical weapons, and all three are generally seen as WMD's.
I'm quite familiar with NBC, thank you, but biological weapons are pretty much an irrelevance these days. WMD is just a term used to pretend that sarin and VX are super-duper scary, requiring extreme reactions. It's all bollocks, perpetrated by the cynical to gull the ignorant.
Again, I disagree. So it seems does the international community.
What a clown we have for a Prime Minister and thank God we have more sensible MPs than the Prime Minister and his deputy. A disaster for Clegg in my opinion
Do you really think if ed miliband was PM now,he wouldn't be doing the same as this government,backing the Americans.
Whoops! Sorry, that was back when Cammie was talking about sending arms to the rebels, not now that he says we aren't taking sides by planning to back up a couple of hundred or so cruise missiles aimed at Assad held areas and facilities.
Here is some recent polling.
YouGov/The Times poll finds support for firing UK missiles against Syria fell to 22%, from 25% on Tues opposition grew from 50 to 51%
Which is not markedly different from US public opinion.
I'll agree that the Typhoon is not proven, but the Harriers were some thing else. I can still remember watching a Harrier being chased by an Argentinian Skyhawk . The Harrier went vertical, the Skyhawk carried on with a missile up its tailpipe.
Of course, the US Marine Corps use only trash don't they? Why else would they buy our fleet of recently upgraded Harriers for spare parts which will keep there own planes flying for the next 20 years or so.
Who needs an aircraft carrier when you have an RAF base in Cyprus?
True Akrotiri, does have the advantage of being local and unsinkable. But the discussion in this case revolves around surbitons remedial education requirements.
Who needs an aircraft carrier when you have an RAF base in Cyprus?
True Akrotiri, does have the advantage of being local and unsinkable. But the discussion in this case revolves around surbitons remedial education requirements.
Using Cyprus as a base reminds me of when the Royal Navy's CVA-01 aircraft carrier was cancelled in 1963. To prove the case that land-based aircraft were better than a carrier, the RAF moved Australia 600 nautical miles so it was in range of the TSR-2 ...
Allegedly, of course. :-)
Such a shame that the TSR-2 was cancelled as well.
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So the Americans proceed without us.
The breakdown of the votes will be interesting.
This kills it once and for all and quickly. Much, much neater.
Significant final point of order from Miliband. Forces Cameron to rule out royal prerogative.
PM "gets" that the people and Parliament do not favour an attack.
Will make Hague's task in the UNSC virtually impossible.
Interesting to see what Obama does now. Much I guess will depend on Turkey and France.
I rather fear we will be returning to this issue but I hope it won't be in response to continued and aggravated use of chemical weapons in Syria.
Cameron has played it straight. The residual poison left by Blair is still corrosive.
If you do not,your a fool.
Surely this kills our involvement stone dead. Democracy in action: both propositions defeated. Masterful inactivity results. Good.
Here is some recent polling. Which is not markedly different from US public opinion.
Miliband’s speech today wasn’t great. But he’s the big winner of today. It won’t be half as easy for Cameron to mock him as ‘weak’ now
Of course, the US Marine Corps use only trash don't they? Why else would they buy our fleet of recently upgraded Harriers for spare parts which will keep there own planes flying for the next 20 years or so.
The JIC paper was risible as evidence. YouTube, FFS...
Barry Gardiner MP @BarryGardiner
Gove loses it in the lobby! Accusing colleagues of supporting Assad in a very high pitched voice.