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Windermere, Bowness North on South Lakeland (Lib Dem Defence)
Last Local Election (2012): Lib Dem 34, Con 13, Lab 4 (Liberal Democrat majority of 17)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p006vm6j
Joanna Gosling's husband in hot water.
http://labourlist.org/2013/08/shadow-minister-resigns-from-labour-front-bench-over-syria-vote/
Anyone know what Jim's stance is?
The other night I posted that there was some finger pointing within the regime over who had done what as regards the alleged chemical weapons attack and some were denying that they had anything to do with it.
US media is reporting just today that one of the strongest intelligence intercepts in US hands is communications between senior Syrian senior officials after the event demanding to know how a chemical weapons attack ended up killing so many people.
Suggests that the information posted the other night was possibly correct.
Pointing the finger at one of Assad's key ground strike forces is possibly based in truth but its also convenient as any retaliatory strike is possibly going to hit 'those units responsible'.
norman smith @BBCNormanS
Tory Edward Leigh says he does not believe PM will ever hold crucial second vote on #syria cos he knows cannot win it
I both expect and hope that Cameron will not need to hold a second vote.
But the reason for him not doing so will be that Hague has succeeded in his diplomatic goals. It will not be for lack of parliamentary support for authorising military intervention.
Cameron was very accomplished in his delivery, but would not address Ian Martin point from the Telegraph.
"Cameron says" he simply wants to deter Assad from using this stuff in future. But that is simply not credible. Bombing the regime would obviously be interpreted by Syria and its allies as a change in the status of our involvement"
Milliband was very nervous to start maybe understandbly, when the debate is taking your country in to war.
However he did not state his case, as succintly as Ian Martin and he needed to for the sake of all the people , who need an opposition to hold the government to account.
He is prepared to support action, maybe, at some point, or not.
Swift? Decisive? Weak, weak, weak...
It is Cameron's job to make the case for war. He cannot do it! Even your own MPs see this.
ahaha ! Priceless. The worst day for David Cameron since the election and it's Labour who's in a tailspin.
Flip, flop, dither, blather.
Can you pin the tail on this donkey, Surby?
ضعيف، ضعيف، ضعيف
The full quote is here.
However he did not state his case, as succintly as Ian Martin and he needed to for the sake of all the people , who need an opposition to hold the government to account.
France to America: "The Brits are no longer with us. They say there's just too much evidence that the WMDs exist this time."
Better check the logic quick.
Scott doesn't have much else to do with his life. Deep down he knows this.
The 'full' quote does not contain Ed's case, he has no case and was therefore unable to state it
Can I as you one question do you agree with Ian Martin comment below in your own words please.
"Cameron says" he simply wants to deter Assad from using this stuff in future. But that is simply not credible. Bombing the regime would obviously be interpreted by Syria and its allies as a change in the status of our involvement"
In unrelated news, Amazon now wants more tax info (to satisfy US authorities) and won't sell books of authors who don't provide it. Not had a look at the 'interview' they want to do but I'm irked by the encroaching tentacles of the IRS.
Differences are
(1) they want compelling evidence that Assad is responsible. Not sure what that means.
(2) they want a vote on the UN weapon inspectors report. Vote on what?
(3) they want further consideration given to consequences for neighbours. Not sure how.
(4) authorisation of force is time limited.
A lot clearer in fairness than Ed was earlier but still asking a lot more questions than it answers. We could argue about what each of these steps means forever. The sons of Brown remember the 5 tests for the Euro.
What reaction do you want from me?
I posted the results of the ballot when they were announced.
The Russian convened meeting of the five permanent members of the UNSC didn't get very far.
UNITED NATIONS — A meeting of the U.N. Security Council's permanent members ended quickly Thursday with no sign of progress on an agreement over Syria's crisis.
The meeting Thursday afternoon started breaking up after less than an hour, with the ambassadors of China, France, Britain, Russia and the United States steadily walking out.
It was the second time in two days that the five Security Council powers came out of a meeting on Syria with no progress. On Wednesday, the five countries met to discuss a resolution proposed by Britain to authorize the use of military force against Syria in retaliation for an alleged chemical weapons attack that killed hundreds near Damascus.
Russia remains firmly opposed to such action, saying there is no evidence the Syrian regime was responsible for the attack, as the U.S. and its allies contend.
British Ambassador Mark Lyall Grant looked grim as he walk past reporters Thursday, saying "no comment." The other ambassadors also did not speak to reporters.
A Western diplomat, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the talks were private, said Russia called Thursday's meeting. Russia's U.N. mission refused to comment.
All we can say is that at least they met!
Allegedly, of course. :-)
Such a shame that the TSR-2 was cancelled as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CVA-01
http://navy-matters.beedall.com/cva01.htm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10275129/Shadow-Minister-resigns-over-Syria-vote.html
Copper bottomed shit.,
This is getting way off-topic, but I've no military background and always wondered why the RAF were referred to as 'crabs', particularly by the navy crowd. So I just looked it up:
http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/The_Royal_Air_Force#Origins_of_.27Crab.27
Anyone got any steer as to how this is likely to go?
I still haven't heard any PB Tories cheering on this good news
@jdportes: Rise in immigration: bad news for govts absurd net migration target is good news for economy: http://t.co/Cq33E7naDO
tim
This is the third time you have posted this statistic.
You really must research the original ONS report before relying on secondary sources.
Here are the first three bullet points from the ONS report's "Key Findings":
• Latest provisional data show that there was a net flow of 176,000 Long-Term migrants to the UK in the year ending December 2012. This is lower than the estimate of 215,000 in the year to December 2011, but it is not a statistically significant fall.
• 497,000 people immigrated to the UK in the year ending December 2012, which is a statistically significant decline from the 566,000 who immigrated during the previous year. This decrease has caused the fall in net migration.
• 321,000 emigrants left the UK in the year ending December 2012, which is a statistically significant decrease from the 351,000 who emigrated during the previous year. [My bolding]
Do your homework, tim, do your homework.
I think we just have to accept we can't hold back the rising tide of violence world-wide.
Now that would be a mess.
That is the key issue.
Ayes - 220
Noes - 332
The Noes have it
Ayes 220 Noes 322
The Noes have it. The Noes have it.
Ed plays a blunder.
Not even close. Where are the Labour MPs?
Edit so that is 38 Labour MPs + whatever hangers on voted for this amendment who did not support Miliband. Wow.
There are plenty of nations willing to give political cover
There is a supporting regional base infrastructure
Congress leans in favour, which is what tonight's briefing is about
Two are in place.
Funny thing was, the Buccaneer was far superior and walloped the USAF in exercises in Arizona and Utah.
Not good for Ed M in the grauniad.
220 votes for Labour amendment suggests at least 37 of the party's MPs did not vote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VX_(nerve_agent)
The Americans realised that chemicals such as VX could be so incredibly dangerous and effective that they swapped their thermo-nuclear knowledge for details of VX with the British:
http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2013/06/vx-sarin-tabun-nerve-weapon-podcast
Only 220 out of 257 Labour MPs back their own motion suggests number beleive Ed Miliband shd have gone further in ruling out military action
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_of_mass_destruction#Definitions_of_the_term
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/108951/chemical-weapon/274179/Weapons-of-mass-destruction
Swift. Decisive.
@GdnPolitics: Syria divisions laid bare as Tories savage Ed Miliband http://t.co/AKC1Atnd8s
Ayes - 272
Noes - 285
The Noes have it