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A unique feature of the Conservative campaign for the June election was that the branding was completely about Theresa May and you would have been hard pressed on things like the Tory battle bus to see the word Conservative.
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I've voted Tory since 2001 (after a dalliance with the Yellow Peril - the mindless optimism of youth
If an election were held now, I'd probably abstain or spoil my paper.
All the ingredients are falling into place for a terrible shock for the hard Corbynista left at the 10pm exit poll in 2022
More telling, and contemptible for the Conservatives, that the economy was also just 5%.
My main concern with this type of polling is that, if people as versed on polling and statistics as OGH can make the obviously false extrapolation from it that 'Just one in 20 CON voters on June 8th did so because of Theresa May', then how are the less savvy going to make sense of it?
Yes, Labour are worse, but that's not a reason to vote for the Conservatives. And as for the Lib Dems: they're being led into a morass by a silent fossil at a time there are loads of opportunities for them.
So there seems little positive to vote for on a party basis. None of them seem to be able to see past their own narrow world-views to deal with some rather major issues that confront us.
We're f*cked. We're well and truly f*cked.
That rather goes against the idea that all the Tories have to do is change leader before the next election, and all their problems will be magically solved - there was no great horde of people saying "I'd definitely be voting Conservative if only they had anyone other than May leading them". She turned out not to be the great asset to the Conservative ticket that it looked like she was at the beginning, but she wasn't a huge drag on the ticket either; she was just neutral. They will need to change to a leader who's actually good, rather than just thinking A.N.Other will automatically do the trick.
"I particularly enjoyed his comment saying he won't resign, but if any Tory MP had said the same they should".
He does seem to be a bit thick.
1 in 20 is 5%, as in the chart above. How is it 'obviously false'?
*sighs*
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41735839
With our savings rate at an all time low, and the challenges of Brexit ahead of us, these are not the best of circumstances.
And you know what? Corbyn might be a man worthy of contempt, but I can see why people would vote for his borken politics and sick world view. At least he is offering a false hope, instead of this government's true hopelessness.
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I do think it's a little naughty to use the quote 'hit list' in the headline, when that was a quote from a union chair.
Interesting it has taken a month to come out.
(I know some people will draw attention to the small dropoff in pensioner turnout, but IMO this is just as likely to be coming from lifelong Labour voters who were appalled at Corbyn's baggage than it was to be lifelong Tory voters.)
I'd probably prefer Corbyn, as he would be more likely to be able to keep the UK together, whereas Boris would wind up the Irish Republicans and Scottish Socialists no end.
Corbyn's 2017 Manifesto was not the new politics. It was a really, really egregious form of the old politics: promise what you like, you know that you will never have to deliver it.... (It was a game the LibDems played to perfection - until the voters called their bluff and put them into the Coalition in 2010. And we know how well that played out....)
Yes, there was certainly such a thing as the Cult of Theresa before she fell from grace. I recall a YouTube interview with Peter Hitchens shortly after she had assumed power. The interviewer, a young and gushing May sycophant, was astonished when Hitchens refused to join him and pronounce her as the Second Coming. All rather odd - especially over a politician who never set the world alight throughout her long and plodding career.
It's why the prospect of Momemtum coordinating deselections worries me deeply.
The operative word is 'ultimately'. The politicians offering 'false hope' (and it looks as though the pro-Brexit crew might be moving to this category) often only pay for it once they've been in power and screwed things up.
Nothing about his difficult upbringing or playing the disability card can get him out of it.
I am sure Mr Staines has a few more choice bits to publish soon enough. Now if one of them is shown to be after the election then things will get even tastier...
If they were smart enough to realise that... then they would be smart enough not to say those comments in the 1st place...
It's notable that Brexit should be the single most popular reason for voting Conservative.
I am very intrigued as to how a 2002 message board was found and the links established. Quite some detective work!
Oh - and I do wish people would not use the “c” word to describe such people. Unlike the real thing they have neither the warmth nor the depth.
It's not as bad though as the Labour councillor for my ward, Hightown, who was found to have posted messages in praise of Hitler on social media.
I've said some embarrassing things in my youth (and indeed shameful, if I'm being honest), but I don't recall ever insulting a woman in such an nasty fashion.
Oh, my coat!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41729586
Generally though, I’ve stopped relying on the old political litmus tests to measure what will happen next. It’s clear that they don’t work anymore. After all none of the polling data prior to the GE implied that Corbyn would do better than Ed M....
We are going to have to accept that our politicians will have a more easily searchable past - and they are going to have to get out ahead of anything nasty.
Why should women put up with being called such horrible things. We are busy praising them when they speak up, eventually, about Weinstein’s gross behaviour. Why should a Labour MP (any MP) be given a free pass?
It really is not difficult to be polite.
And if you are rude, then apologise. Use the words: “I am sorry.” That’s all. None of this “If I have offended you” nonsense. Don’t make excuses or point the finger at others. And then shut up.
Most of us learn this from our mothers. And don’t find this difficult. Were these people brought up by wolves, or something?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/14/ukip-kerry-smith-quits-election-candidate
I suspect that he still has those opinions.
Peters set out his proposals for a CCER in a speech in February 2016, in which he said he hoped the UK would leave the EU to “heal a rift” with NZ that occurred when the UK joined the EEC. He noted that Boris Johnson had backed a migration agreement between the UK, NZ, Australia and Canada, suggesting that a future migration agreement between these four countries could be based on the current Transtasman Travel Agreement (the agreement between Australia and NZ that allows an automatic right to live and work).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/24/new-zealand-taking-initiative-trade-brexit-britain-should-respond/
I once went canvassing with him (when we were both Conservatives). Every third word was "f*ck" "f*cking" or "c*nt". He said he looked forward to fighting a council election against the BNP because "I'm more right wing on immigration."
Re this guy (who is more right wing than the BNP on immigration - WTF?) and the Labour councillor who was praising Hitler....why aren’t political parties vetting their candidates more? How are people with such views allowed to be members of mainstream political parties?
This could have blown over if he'd said something along the lines of "I apologise for what I said when I was young 15 years ago, it was inappropriate and offensive. I have grown up since and we all have a past and I would ask to be judged on my comments and behaviour now."
Except that relies upon the comments being historical and not modern which accusations are now coming out with.
Your white comment is idiotic considering that the EU is white in the same way as Australians are so there is no racial difference whatsoever there.
A similar process is perhaps underway in education:
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/oct/24/sacked-school-headteacher-alevel-results
(FWIW, my own anecdotal experience provides some evidence of this.)