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edited October 2017 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » If you fancy a 1% and an 8% return in a little over 2 months these might be the bets for you

William Hill have a range of markets up and to be honest most of them seem very unappealing, but if I had to choose from this market, I’d go for the 1/100 on there being no 2nd EU In/Out referendum in 2017 and the 1/12 on Theresa May still being PM on the 1st of January 2018.

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  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    Stealthily he steals the first.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    Thirst?

    I usually have one after church. It's called a thirst after righteousness and is slaked by a number of restoratives in the local pub.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    edited October 2017
    Third step on the podium?
    Betfair still have 1.02 (1/50 ish) on no general election in 2017.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    Sandpit said:

    Third step on the podium?
    Betfair still have 1.02 (1/50 ish) on no general election in 2017.

    It is very hard to see how on a practical level alone there could be another general election this year. If it isn't called in the next ten days it would be in December.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited October 2017
    I am blaming @TheScreamingEagles for retweeting a moron and wasting 20 minutes of my life.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,336
    edited October 2017
    Alistair said:

    I am blaming @TheScreamingEagles for retweeting a moron and wasting 20 minutes of my life.

    Karma for that afternoon of mine you wasted for when you introduced me to ‘We want plates’
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Third step on the podium?
    Betfair still have 1.02 (1/50 ish) on no general election in 2017.

    It is very hard to see how on a practical level alone there could be another general election this year. If it isn't called in the next ten days it would be in December.
    Yes, it would practically need to be called next week to have it before Christmas. The previous election was called on 18th April for 8th June, so using the same timescale an election called today would be on 14th December.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    My pre-race ramble, including two tips, is up here:
    http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/usa-pre-race-2017.html

    I think both of those look good but I don't have a William Hill account or the funds to make them worthwhile.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    The second General election of 1974 was called with only 22 days notice.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    edited October 2017
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    My pre-race ramble, including two tips, is up here:
    http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/usa-pre-race-2017.html

    I think both of those look good but I don't have a William Hill account or the funds to make them worthwhile.

    No bets for me so far this weekend, just can’t see any real value. If I was going to highlight anything it would be Verstappen for a top 6 finish at 1.75, and no SC at 2.4, both on the exchange.

    And watch out for the pre-race added American razzmatazz, the drivers are going to be announced by the guy who does the boxing ring announcements.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    Recidivist said:

    The second General election of 1974 was called with only 22 days notice.

    Indeed so, in the days before they needed to schedule and pass a vote in Parliament in order to formally dissolve itself.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Sandpit, I tend not to watch the pre-race nonsense, to be honest.

    Those two bets are plausible, but there's nothing stand-out. I quite like the Ricciardo one, the Alonso DNF is a bit more random but certainly credible.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,879
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Third step on the podium?
    Betfair still have 1.02 (1/50 ish) on no general election in 2017.

    It is very hard to see how on a practical level alone there could be another general election this year. If it isn't called in the next ten days it would be in December.
    Yes, it would practically need to be called next week to have it before Christmas. The previous election was called on 18th April for 8th June, so using the same timescale an election called today would be on 14th December.
    Anyone who calls a GE to be held in mid December is risking the most almighty raspberry from the voters.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Third step on the podium?
    Betfair still have 1.02 (1/50 ish) on no general election in 2017.

    It is very hard to see how on a practical level alone there could be another general election this year. If it isn't called in the next ten days it would be in December.
    Already the first Thursday for Polling Day would be November 30th!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    OldKingCole said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Third step on the podium?
    Betfair still have 1.02 (1/50 ish) on no general election in 2017.

    It is very hard to see how on a practical level alone there could be another general election this year. If it isn't called in the next ten days it would be in December.
    Yes, it would practically need to be called next week to have it before Christmas. The previous election was called on 18th April for 8th June, so using the same timescale an election called today would be on 14th December.
    Anyone who calls a GE to be held in mid December is risking the most almighty raspberry from the voters.
    Indeed so, and the activists, party workers and the media, all of whom have better things to be doing in the middle of December.

    Hence the 1/50 on it not happening - which is now 1/100.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Recidivist said:

    The second General election of 1974 was called with only 22 days notice.

    Yes and the first election of 1974 was even later - called on February 7th for February 28th. However, the FTPA stipulates that there have to be 25 working days - ie 5 weeks - between Dissolution and Polling Day. Next Thursday is last day for Parliament to be dissolved for an election on 30th November.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Thought for the day: what we now know is that EU membership = QWERTY keyboard layout. On the one hand it has absolutely nothing to recommend it except incumbency, but on the other hand the incumbency argument is so strong that it prevails over all others.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Z, is there a reason to change from the QWERTY keyboard? I'd guess ergonomics is the opposing argument.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Thought for the day: what we now know is that EU membership = QWERTY keyboard layout. On the one hand it has absolutely nothing to recommend it except incumbency, but on the other hand the incumbency argument is so strong that it prevails over all others.

    And yet other EU member states don't use QWERTY...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Thought for the day: what we now know is that EU membership = QWERTY keyboard layout. On the one hand it has absolutely nothing to recommend it except incumbency, but on the other hand the incumbency argument is so strong that it prevails over all others.

    That’s actually a good metaphor, the placement of keys on the QWERTY keyboard being originally designed to slow typists down to avoid clashing keys too close together on an old fashioned typewriter.

    And of course the French do it their own way, with the AZERTY layout.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Thought for the day: what we now know is that EU membership = QWERTY keyboard layout. On the one hand it has absolutely nothing to recommend it except incumbency, but on the other hand the incumbency argument is so strong that it prevails over all others.

    If it was static then probably yes.

    But it's evolving in a manner that was not necessarily to our advantage
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,820
    Charles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Thought for the day: what we now know is that EU membership = QWERTY keyboard layout. On the one hand it has absolutely nothing to recommend it except incumbency, but on the other hand the incumbency argument is so strong that it prevails over all others.

    If it was static then probably yes.

    But it's evolving in a manner that was not necessarily to our advantage
    The only concrete argument I’ve heard from you to back that up was that the relative importance of the Eurozone would grow. Easily solved by joining the Euro.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,879
    Sandpit said:

    OldKingCole said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Third step on the podium?
    Betfair still have 1.02 (1/50 ish) on no general election in 2017.

    It is very hard to see how on a practical level alone there could be another general election this year. If it isn't called in the next ten days it would be in December.
    Yes, it would practically need to be called next week to have it before Christmas. The previous election was called on 18th April for 8th June, so using the same timescale an election called today would be on 14th December.
    Anyone who calls a GE to be held in mid December is risking the most almighty raspberry from the voters.
    Indeed so, and the activists, party workers and the media, all of whom have better things to be doing in the middle of December.

    Hence the 1/50 on it not happening - which is now 1/100.
    Although the Inverness by-election in 1954, held on 21st Dec resulted in a very good result for the Liberal Party. Didn’t win, but came from nowhere to close second, in a seat which had been ‘nursed’ for some time by the Tories heir-presumptive!
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Z, is there a reason to change from the QWERTY keyboard? I'd guess ergonomics is the opposing argument.

    This is a subject which gets a lot of internet airtime, google "qwerty dvorak". The argument is that qwerty was imposed by mechanical limitations on manual typewriters, and other layouts permit faster typing. It's a great subject for internet discussion, because there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Z, yeah, I've heard that argument. I used to use a typewriter (sadly no longer around) and two keys close together did occasionally stick together, clinging in midair like a pair of drunken flamingos leaning upon one another for support.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Thought for the day: what we now know is that EU membership = QWERTY keyboard layout. On the one hand it has absolutely nothing to recommend it except incumbency, but on the other hand the incumbency argument is so strong that it prevails over all others.

    And yet other EU member states don't use QWERTY...
    Simile, innit?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Charles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Thought for the day: what we now know is that EU membership = QWERTY keyboard layout. On the one hand it has absolutely nothing to recommend it except incumbency, but on the other hand the incumbency argument is so strong that it prevails over all others.

    If it was static then probably yes.

    But it's evolving in a manner that was not necessarily to our advantage
    yes, but Dave's opt out from ECU would probably have had real teeth, judging by the rebates etc we managed to obtain even without the benefit of such an opt out..
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    williamglenn said:

    Charles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Thought for the day: what we now know is that EU membership = QWERTY keyboard layout. On the one hand it has absolutely nothing to recommend it except incumbency, but on the other hand the incumbency argument is so strong that it prevails over all others.

    If it was static then probably yes.

    But it's evolving in a manner that was not necessarily to our advantage
    The only concrete argument I’ve heard from you to back that up was that the relative importance of the Eurozone would grow. Easily solved by joining the Euro.
    The reason why it's the "only" argument you've heard is because it's the one that matters most!

    But economically we are not a good fit with the Eurozone. We are not an Optimal Currency Area. But last time we had this discussion you didn't think that mattered, so there's not much point in rehashing it.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Ongoing incident in Nuneaton:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-41714114
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,255
    OldKingCole said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Third step on the podium?
    Betfair still have 1.02 (1/50 ish) on no general election in 2017.

    It is very hard to see how on a practical level alone there could be another general election this year. If it isn't called in the next ten days it would be in December.
    Yes, it would practically need to be called next week to have it before Christmas. The previous election was called on 18th April for 8th June, so using the same timescale an election called today would be on 14th December.
    Anyone who calls a GE to be held in mid December is risking the most almighty raspberry from the voters.
    Two of those in the same year is really not required!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited October 2017
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Charles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Thought for the day: what we now know is that EU membership = QWERTY keyboard layout. On the one hand it has absolutely nothing to recommend it except incumbency, but on the other hand the incumbency argument is so strong that it prevails over all others.

    If it was static then probably yes.

    But it's evolving in a manner that was not necessarily to our advantage
    yes, but Dave's opt out from ECU would probably have had real teeth, judging by the rebates etc we managed to obtain even without the benefit of such an opt out..
    Probably. Unless the ECJ determined it was incompatible with the Treaty of Rome.

    Edit: of course you could argue that Thatcher was a better negotiator than Blair or Cameron and that as 1 of 12 (or was the rebate before Spain/Portugal?) we had more influence than 1 of 28.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/922123033052979200

    @PaulAdcockITV: Eyewitness tells @itvnews gunman at Nuneaton bowling alley waved sawn off shotgun shouting "get the f*ck out". Police advise to stay away
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,255
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Thought for the day: what we now know is that EU membership = QWERTY keyboard layout. On the one hand it has absolutely nothing to recommend it except incumbency, but on the other hand the incumbency argument is so strong that it prevails over all others.

    And in the spirit of accord, to have a greater amity between nations, the French have the AZERTY keyboard.

    And the Germans QWERTZ....
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,255
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    The UK, Ireland...Japan...Suriname...Cyprus...South Africa...Indonesia.....Guyana....

    A weird old Commonwealth that. And good luck getting the Japanese to use a QWERTY keybord!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,255
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    As an aside, I wonder if the EU ever considered making everyone in the EU drive on the right? For standardisation of car parts, of course....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    edited October 2017
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    LHS and RHS makes for an interesting map: would be a good pub quiz question to ask what it represents.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_driving_on_the_left_or_right.svg
    image
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Ive lost my voice... #coys
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    MarqueeMark said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    As an aside, I wonder if the EU ever considered making everyone in the EU drive on the right? For standardisation of car parts, of course....
    Because they respect our wish to move more slowly they will allow us to phase in the change gradually
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Ive lost my voice... #coys

    What happened to Spurs being crap at Wembley?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Sandpit said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    LHS and RHS makes for an interesting map: would be a good pub quiz question to ask what it represents.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_driving_on_the_left_or_right.svg
    image
    That is riveting I would have guessed it was much closer to 50 50.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,350
    edited October 2017
    Flying the flag, it's all the rage.

    https://twitter.com/Charlie26Adam/status/922119390379814913

    https://twitter.com/SKinnock/status/922110629015629824
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,138
    edited October 2017
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Flying the flag, it's all the rage.

    twitter.com/Charlie26Adam/status/922119390379814913

    https://twitter.com/SKinnock/status/922110629015629824

    No doubt there is an EU law preventing the UK from sourcing locally preferentially. :p
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    Charles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    As an aside, I wonder if the EU ever considered making everyone in the EU drive on the right? For standardisation of car parts, of course....
    Because they respect our wish to move more slowly they will allow us to phase in the change gradually
    Perhaps some sort of transition phase where we all drive on the right on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, but on the left on Tuesdays, Thursdays and all weekend.

    I'm aware this compromise is slightly skewed to the left...
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,696
    justin124 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Third step on the podium?
    Betfair still have 1.02 (1/50 ish) on no general election in 2017.

    It is very hard to see how on a practical level alone there could be another general election this year. If it isn't called in the next ten days it would be in December.
    Already the first Thursday for Polling Day would be November 30th!
    The SNP would love that!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    kyf_100 said:

    Charles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    As an aside, I wonder if the EU ever considered making everyone in the EU drive on the right? For standardisation of car parts, of course....
    Because they respect our wish to move more slowly they will allow us to phase in the change gradually
    Perhaps some sort of transition phase where we all drive on the right on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, but on the left on Tuesdays, Thursdays and all weekend.

    I'm aware this compromise is slightly skewed to the left...
    You can eliminate most of the skew by instead driving on the left on odd numbered days and on the right on even numbered days. Or left in the mornings and right in the afternoons.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,239
    Especially given TSE`s last but one post, why do Betfair have Patrick Mcloughlin at 16/1 to be first out of the cabinet? Ladbrokes are 3/1 on same bet. Any ideas?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited October 2017
    kyf_100 said:

    Charles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    As an aside, I wonder if the EU ever considered making everyone in the EU drive on the right? For standardisation of car parts, of course....
    Because they respect our wish to move more slowly they will allow us to phase in the change gradually
    Perhaps some sort of transition phase where we all drive on the right on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, but on the left on Tuesdays, Thursdays and all weekend.

    I'm aware this compromise is slightly skewed to the left...
    I was going with an age based approach

    First 18-34 year old switch. A month later the 35-55 group change and finally the 55+ bracket.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,138
    Sandpit said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Charles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    As an aside, I wonder if the EU ever considered making everyone in the EU drive on the right? For standardisation of car parts, of course....
    Because they respect our wish to move more slowly they will allow us to phase in the change gradually
    Perhaps some sort of transition phase where we all drive on the right on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, but on the left on Tuesdays, Thursdays and all weekend.

    I'm aware this compromise is slightly skewed to the left...
    You can eliminate most of the skew by instead driving on the left on odd numbered days and on the right on even numbered days. Or left in the mornings and right in the afternoons.
    There are seven more odd days per year than even ;)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Stocky, welcome to pb.com. No idea what the answer to your question is, though.

    Mr. Z, so, left side driving countries like cricket?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    All-time Premier League attendance record of 80,827 watching Liverpool getting their arses whipped at Wembley.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,239
    Thanks Morris Dancer, hope everyone`s gentle with me
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,912
    Bringing some reality into the conversation (why?), a few days over fifty years ago, Sweden swapped from driving on the left to the right:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H

    Not as much chaos as you might expect, although the traffic was undoubtedly lighter back then.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,138
    Stocky said:

    Thanks Morris Dancer, hope everyone`s gentle with me

    That rather depends on your opinion of the biggest issue of the age... the alternative vote voting system system :D
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    edited October 2017
    Stocky said:

    Especially given TSE`s last but one post, why do Betfair have Patrick Mcloughlin at 16/1 to be first out of the cabinet? Ladbrokes are 3/1 on same bet. Any ideas?

    Because there’s not much liquidity in the market. A liquid market allows both back and lay bets and there’s almost none of the latter in this market. The lay prices are usually more indicative of the real odds, as they can be arbed with the bookies’ odds. McLaughlin is now 8.8, between 15/2 and 8/1 in old money.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28051209/market?marketId=1.125708452
    Welcome to PB, and good to start with a betting question :+1:
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    RobD said:

    Sandpit said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Charles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    As an aside, I wonder if the EU ever considered making everyone in the EU drive on the right? For standardisation of car parts, of course....
    Because they respect our wish to move more slowly they will allow us to phase in the change gradually
    Perhaps some sort of transition phase where we all drive on the right on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, but on the left on Tuesdays, Thursdays and all weekend.

    I'm aware this compromise is slightly skewed to the left...
    You can eliminate most of the skew by instead driving on the left on odd numbered days and on the right on even numbered days. Or left in the mornings and right in the afternoons.
    There are seven more odd days per year than even ;)
    Canada switched by province over quite a long period I believe. I think some places like Ontario were always LHD for the same reason (teamster driving) as the US.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    JosiasJessop said:

    Bringing some reality into the conversation (why?), a few days over fifty years ago, Sweden swapped from driving on the left to the right:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H

    Not as much chaos as you might expect, although the traffic was undoubtedly lighter back then.

    In fact this is another qwerty case where incumbency trumps everything else. There is no doubt that we are right and rhs is wrong, because everyone everywhere mounts a horse from the left.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-_and_right-hand_traffic
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,820
    Sandpit said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Charles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    As an aside, I wonder if the EU ever considered making everyone in the EU drive on the right? For standardisation of car parts, of course....
    Because they respect our wish to move more slowly they will allow us to phase in the change gradually
    Perhaps some sort of transition phase where we all drive on the right on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, but on the left on Tuesdays, Thursdays and all weekend.

    I'm aware this compromise is slightly skewed to the left...
    You can eliminate most of the skew by instead driving on the left on odd numbered days and on the right on even numbered days. Or left in the mornings and right in the afternoons.
    You're all missing the obvious solution - a single direction! Make all the streets one-way. ;)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,866
    JosiasJessop said:

    Bringing some reality into the conversation (why?), a few days over fifty years ago, Sweden swapped from driving on the left to the right:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H

    Not as much chaos as you might expect, although the traffic was undoubtedly lighter back then.

    83% of people voted against going to RHD in a referendum and the government ignored them.

    That's serious balls.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,355
    Ishmael_Z said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Bringing some reality into the conversation (why?), a few days over fifty years ago, Sweden swapped from driving on the left to the right:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H

    Not as much chaos as you might expect, although the traffic was undoubtedly lighter back then.

    In fact this is another qwerty case where incumbency trumps everything else. There is no doubt that we are right and rhs is wrong, because everyone everywhere mounts a horse from the left.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-_and_right-hand_traffic
    The Yanks and our European chums might drive on the RIGHT side of the road.

    But we drive on the CORRECT side of the road :)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    Charles said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Charles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    As an aside, I wonder if the EU ever considered making everyone in the EU drive on the right? For standardisation of car parts, of course....
    Because they respect our wish to move more slowly they will allow us to phase in the change gradually
    Perhaps some sort of transition phase where we all drive on the right on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, but on the left on Tuesdays, Thursdays and all weekend.

    I'm aware this compromise is slightly skewed to the left...
    I was going with an age based approach

    First 18-34 year old switch. A month later the 35-55 group change and finally the 55+ bracket.
    President Nkrumah of Ghana did famously say on independence that his country would switch to driving on the right, but gradually. A rare brain fade by a man who despite his unfortunate autocratic tendencies was highly intelligent.

    This article is of interest on the subject:

    https://www.gponline.com/top-10-longest-serving-health-secretaries/article/1022175

    @justin124 thank you for the correction. I knew that it couldn't in practice be in the same month so I assumed that if it wasn't called by October 31st it would be some time in December. In practice surely the only possible dates would be December 7th and 14th. Time is nearly out for one due to half term, and the second is dangerously close to Christmas. It would be an insane time to have an election.

    So why they still have a market on this I don't know.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    edited October 2017
    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Charles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    As an aside, I wonder if the EU ever considered making everyone in the EU drive on the right? For standardisation of car parts, of course....
    Because they respect our wish to move more slowly they will allow us to phase in the change gradually
    Perhaps some sort of transition phase where we all drive on the right on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, but on the left on Tuesdays, Thursdays and all weekend.

    I'm aware this compromise is slightly skewed to the left...
    You can eliminate most of the skew by instead driving on the left on odd numbered days and on the right on even numbered days. Or left in the mornings and right in the afternoons.
    You're all missing the obvious solution - a single direction! Make all the streets one-way. ;)
    Works in New York and Barcelona, but probably not in more rural areas. Maybe Scotland could volutneer the A9 for a pilot project?

    Some idiot would probably then come up with the silly idea of building another road parallel to the first one, on which traffic can more in the opposite direction to avoid having to make a long detour... ;)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,287
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Sandpit said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    LHS and RHS makes for an interesting map: would be a good pub quiz question to ask what it represents.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_driving_on_the_left_or_right.svg
    image
    That is riveting I would have guessed it was much closer to 50 50.
    I am surprised that Rwanda has not switched over, given their eagerness to distance themselves from all things French. I was out there when they switched the language of all their schools from French to English, Big Bang one Monday morning,
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,811
    Risk averse is my middle name. Danke.

    In other news I see the Spanish authorities are saying a lot of images of police violence in the referendum were fake, which is an odd stance to take after having apologised for the heavy handed approach, and considering they already hold the legal high ground.
    rcs1000 said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Bringing some reality into the conversation (why?), a few days over fifty years ago, Sweden swapped from driving on the left to the right:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H

    Not as much chaos as you might expect, although the traffic was undoubtedly lighter back then.

    83% of people voted against going to RHD in a referendum and the government ignored them.

    That's serious balls.
    I'd wondered why they even bothered to hold a referendum if they were so certain it was a good idea they were willing to ignore such a massive vote, but I see that happened a decade before the switch. Even so, pretty bold.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    Stocky said:

    Especially given TSE`s last but one post, why do Betfair have Patrick Mcloughlin at 16/1 to be first out of the cabinet? Ladbrokes are 3/1 on same bet. Any ideas?

    Maybe they've had a very large bet on somebody else which is skewing the odds?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,811
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Stocky, welcome to pb.com. No idea what the answer to your question is, though.

    Mr. Z, so, left side driving countries like cricket?

    A sure sign of quality if so.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    edited October 2017
    Sandpit said:

    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Charles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    As an aside, I wonder if the EU ever considered making everyone in the EU drive on the right? For standardisation of car parts, of course....
    Because they respect our wish to move more slowly they will allow us to phase in the change gradually
    Perhaps some sort of transition phase where we all drive on the right on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, but on the left on Tuesdays, Thursdays and all weekend.

    I'm aware this compromise is slightly skewed to the left...
    You can eliminate most of the skew by instead driving on the left on odd numbered days and on the right on even numbered days. Or left in the mornings and right in the afternoons.
    You're all missing the obvious solution - a single direction! Make all the streets one-way. ;)
    Works in New York and Barcelona, but probably not in more rural areas. Maybe Scotland could volutneer the A9 for a pilot project?

    Some idiot would probably then come up with the silly idea of building another road parallel to the first one, on which traffic can more in the opposite direction to avoid having to make a long detour... ;)
    Isn't the A9 being dualled, or at least, slated to be?

    Edit: I thought I'd heard something about it:

    https://www.transport.gov.scot/projects/a9-dualling-perth-to-inverness/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,811
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Thought for the day: what we now know is that EU membership = QWERTY keyboard layout. On the one hand it has absolutely nothing to recommend it except incumbency, but on the other hand the incumbency argument is so strong that it prevails over all others.

    An analogy which I do not recall being made during the campaign, but from a cynical 'look, it's not the best but its too much hassle to change' position it almost makes sense.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    edited October 2017
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Charles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    As an aside, I wonder if the EU ever considered making everyone in the EU drive on the right? For standardisation of car parts, of course....
    Because they respect our wish to move more slowly they will allow us to phase in the change gradually
    Perhaps some sort of transition phase where we all drive on the right on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, but on the left on Tuesdays, Thursdays and all weekend.

    I'm aware this compromise is slightly skewed to the left...
    You can eliminate most of the skew by instead driving on the left on odd numbered days and on the right on even numbered days. Or left in the mornings and right in the afternoons.
    You're all missing the obvious solution - a single direction! Make all the streets one-way. ;)
    Works in New York and Barcelona, but probably not in more rural areas. Maybe Scotland could volutneer the A9 for a pilot project?

    Some idiot would probably then come up with the silly idea of building another road parallel to the first one, on which traffic can more in the opposite direction to avoid having to make a long detour... ;)
    Isn't the A9 being dualled, or at least, slated to be?
    They’ve certainly been talking about it for decades.

    Edit: now slated to be done before 2025.
    https://www.transport.gov.scot/projects/a9-dualling-perth-to-inverness/
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,255
    OK, if you want a timewaster..... How much have you learnt about the boundaries of US states from all those Super Tuesdays? Kudos to anybody who does well on this - WARNING - you have to be pixel perfect!

    https://www.sporcle.com/games/mhershfield/us-states-no-outlines-minefield
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,239
    Sandpit said: Because there’s not much liquidity in the market. A liquid market allows both back and lay bets and there’s almost none of the latter in this market. The lay prices are usually more indicative of the real odds, as they can be arbed with the bookies’ odds. McLaughlin is now 8.8, between 15/2 and 8/1 in old money.

    No Sandpit - you misunderstand. 16/1 is on Betfair Sportsbook (bookies) not Betfair the exchange.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,811
    MarqueeMark said:

    OK, if you want a timewaster..... How much have you learnt about the boundaries of US states from all those Super Tuesdays? Kudos to anybody who does well on this - WARNING - you have to be pixel perfect!

    https://www.sporcle.com/games/mhershfield/us-states-no-outlines-minefield

    No kidding - I keep getting very close, but apparently just far enough out (and I swear sometimes you hit the state, but its too near the edge and doesn't count it), and some of those north eastern states are quite small.
  • ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516
    Sajid Javid talking about using cheap government borrowing rates to finance massive homebuilding. Sounds like a good Labour policy.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    Stocky said:

    Sandpit said: Because there’s not much liquidity in the market. A liquid market allows both back and lay bets and there’s almost none of the latter in this market. The lay prices are usually more indicative of the real odds, as they can be arbed with the bookies’ odds. McLaughlin is now 8.8, between 15/2 and 8/1 in old money.

    No Sandpit - you misunderstand. 16/1 is on Betfair Sportsbook (bookies) not Betfair the exchange.

    Ah, in that case take the 16/1 with Betfair Sportsbook and bet on other possibilities with a different bookie.

    They’ve probably just mispriced it, the 3/1 at Ladbrokes seems rather stingy given that McLaughlin hasn’t been on today’s front pages with any big scandal. Or has he been and I’ve missed it?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,811
    Elliot said:

    Sajid Javid talking about using cheap government borrowing rates to finance massive homebuilding. Sounds like a good Labour policy.

    Well they may not have won the election, but by being the ones to make progress they've won the arguments in several areas.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,255
    kle4 said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    OK, if you want a timewaster..... How much have you learnt about the boundaries of US states from all those Super Tuesdays? Kudos to anybody who does well on this - WARNING - you have to be pixel perfect!

    https://www.sporcle.com/games/mhershfield/us-states-no-outlines-minefield

    No kidding - I keep getting very close, but apparently just far enough out (and I swear sometimes you hit the state, but its too near the edge and doesn't count it), and some of those north eastern states are quite small.
    It's evil! I got 23 states - then had to find Delaware! Aaaaargh!!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Charles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    As an aside, I wonder if the EU ever considered making everyone in the EU drive on the right? For standardisation of car parts, of course....
    Because they respect our wish to move more slowly they will allow us to phase in the change gradually
    Perhaps some sort of transition phase where we all drive on the right on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, but on the left on Tuesdays, Thursdays and all weekend.

    I'm aware this compromise is slightly skewed to the left...
    You can eliminate most of the skew by instead driving on the left on odd numbered days and on the right on even numbered days. Or left in the mornings and right in the afternoons.
    You're all missing the obvious solution - a single direction! Make all the streets one-way. ;)
    Works in New York and Barcelona, but probably not in more rural areas. Maybe Scotland could volutneer the A9 for a pilot project?

    Some idiot would probably then come up with the silly idea of building another road parallel to the first one, on which traffic can more in the opposite direction to avoid having to make a long detour... ;)
    Isn't the A9 being dualled, or at least, slated to be?
    They’ve certainly been talking about it for decades.

    Edit: now slated to be done before 2025.
    https://www.transport.gov.scot/projects/a9-dualling-perth-to-inverness/
    SNP manifesto promise in 2007 - was voted down by Labour, Cons and the Lib Dems to fund the trams in Edinburgh instead.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,355
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    there is no word more satisfying to type than "qwerty".

    Unless, as has been noted, you are in mainland Europe.

    In which case it's a huge pain in the ass

    Thus its appeal, I guess...
    Rather than a neo Commonwealth, Leavers should be proposing a mighty trading bloc of qwerty using and lhs of road driving nations.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sunil060902/sandbox

    "Commonwealth Union"
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    Elliot said:

    Sajid Javid talking about using cheap government borrowing rates to finance massive homebuilding. Sounds like a good Labour policy.

    Nice idea - just as rates are rising. Might have been a good idea of they had thought of it in 2010?
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    MarqueeMark said:

    kle4 said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    OK, if you want a timewaster..... How much have you learnt about the boundaries of US states from all those Super Tuesdays? Kudos to anybody who does well on this - WARNING - you have to be pixel perfect!

    https://www.sporcle.com/games/mhershfield/us-states-no-outlines-minefield

    No kidding - I keep getting very close, but apparently just far enough out (and I swear sometimes you hit the state, but its too near the edge and doesn't count it), and some of those north eastern states are quite small.
    It's evil! I got 23 states - then had to find Delaware! Aaaaargh!!
    delaware's easy - left hand side of a peninsula, half way down the east coast. It's the square ones and sodding Tennessee that do for me
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited October 2017
    rcs1000 said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Bringing some reality into the conversation (why?), a few days over fifty years ago, Sweden swapped from driving on the left to the right:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H

    Not as much chaos as you might expect, although the traffic was undoubtedly lighter back then.

    83% of people voted against going to RHD in a referendum and the government ignored them.

    That's serious balls.
    If it wasn't for Napoleon the whole world would almost certainly still be driving on the left!

    It's really only Commonwealth nations that drive on the left now - plus Japan, Indonesia, Ireland and Thailand. Oddly Burma drives on the right despite all its neighbours driving on the left. It would be very costly to change these days for any nation.
  • ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516
    williamglenn said:

    Charles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Thought for the day: what we now know is that EU membership = QWERTY keyboard layout. On the one hand it has absolutely nothing to recommend it except incumbency, but on the other hand the incumbency argument is so strong that it prevails over all others.

    If it was static then probably yes.

    But it's evolving in a manner that was not necessarily to our advantage
    The only concrete argument I’ve heard from you to back that up was that the relative importance of the Eurozone would grow. Easily solved by joining the Euro.
    That solves one problem but creates a host of others.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,355
    brendan16 said:

    Oddly Burma drives on the right despite all its neighbours driving on the left. It would be very costly to change these days for any nation.

    Nope, China is RHD.
  • ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516
    brendan16 said:

    Elliot said:

    Sajid Javid talking about using cheap government borrowing rates to finance massive homebuilding. Sounds like a good Labour policy.

    Nice idea - just as rates are rising. Might have been a good idea of they had thought of it in 2010?
    Yes. That's why I voted Labour in 2010!

    Still rates are still very low. Better late than never.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,239
    Seen this? : "The Tories may be about to change their logo to a ladder"

    https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/tories-may-change-logo-ladder/

    Can`t decide whether this is a serious article? I rather liked the oak tree.


  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited October 2017
    MarqueeMark said:

    OK, if you want a timewaster..... How much have you learnt about the boundaries of US states from all those Super Tuesdays? Kudos to anybody who does well on this - WARNING - you have to be pixel perfect!

    https://www.sporcle.com/games/mhershfield/us-states-no-outlines-minefield

    Thank you very much - saw this just as I was looking for a procrastination in the middle of doing this report for tomorrow, and just wasted 20 minutes on it (and top score was 10 states even after all that time, eek! Fooking Delaware got me out about 4 times).
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Oh God, actually, Wyoming was the most embarrassing one that I kept getting wrong.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Stocky said:

    Seen this? : "The Tories may be about to change their logo to a ladder"

    https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/tories-may-change-logo-ladder/

    Can`t decide whether this is a serious article? I rather liked the oak tree.


    Where it says "Tory Workers", definitely nobody is going to photoshop "Workers" into anything else.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited October 2017
    Elliot said:

    Sajid Javid talking about using cheap government borrowing rates to finance massive homebuilding. Sounds like a good Labour policy.

    It has the makings of an excellent policy.

    The demand side of the coin needs action too, though. The tories IHT bribe to their client vote - incentivising older people to stay in *the family home* until death so they can pass it onto their kids tax free is a big part of the problem.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Stocky said:

    Seen this? : "The Tories may be about to change their logo to a ladder"

    https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/tories-may-change-logo-ladder/

    Can`t decide whether this is a serious article? I rather liked the oak tree.


    Where it says "Tory Workers", definitely nobody is going to photoshop "Workers" into anything else.
    That’s surely a spoof? If they change their logo to that ladder they’ll be getting my membership card back in the post!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    brendan16 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Bringing some reality into the conversation (why?), a few days over fifty years ago, Sweden swapped from driving on the left to the right:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H

    Not as much chaos as you might expect, although the traffic was undoubtedly lighter back then.

    83% of people voted against going to RHD in a referendum and the government ignored them.

    That's serious balls.
    If it wasn't for Napoleon the whole world would almost certainly still be driving on the left!

    It's really only Commonwealth nations that drive on the left now - plus Japan, Indonesia, Ireland and Thailand. Oddly Burma drives on the right despite all its neighbours driving on the left. It would be very costly to change these days for any nation.
    True, but remember Burmese vehicles are all right hand drive as well.

    http://www.minordiversion.com/2012/03/the-unique-world-of-burmese-driving/
  • dyingswandyingswan Posts: 189
    May I remind punters looking at these odds of the Great Corbo's own prediction. He told Michael Eavis at Glastonbury on the 24th June that he would be PM within 6 months. That expires on Xmas Eve. Corbo is a straight talking politician. He told us so.Therefore there must be a November GE and Santa Corbo will be eating his vegan turkey and mince pies at number 10. Bet with this Labour promise in mind.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Ishmael_Z said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Bringing some reality into the conversation (why?), a few days over fifty years ago, Sweden swapped from driving on the left to the right:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H

    Not as much chaos as you might expect, although the traffic was undoubtedly lighter back then.

    In fact this is another qwerty case where incumbency trumps everything else. There is no doubt that we are right and rhs is wrong, because everyone everywhere mounts a horse from the left.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-_and_right-hand_traffic
    More importantly, as most are right handed, your lance is conveniently positioned to strike your opponent
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    dyingswan said:

    May I remind punters looking at these odds of the Great Corbo's own prediction. He told Michael Eavis at Glastonbury on the 24th June that he would be PM within 6 months. That expires on Xmas Eve. Corbo is a straight talking politician. He told us so.Therefore there must be a November GE and Santa Corbo will be eating his vegan turkey and mince pies at number 10. Bet with this Labour promise in mind.

    Or should we just chalk it up with his promises on tuition fees, benefit cuts, fascism etc...
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Charles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Bringing some reality into the conversation (why?), a few days over fifty years ago, Sweden swapped from driving on the left to the right:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H

    Not as much chaos as you might expect, although the traffic was undoubtedly lighter back then.

    In fact this is another qwerty case where incumbency trumps everything else. There is no doubt that we are right and rhs is wrong, because everyone everywhere mounts a horse from the left.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-_and_right-hand_traffic
    More importantly, as most are right handed, your lance is conveniently positioned to strike your opponent
    Bloody knights and their medieval road rage...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609
    edited October 2017
    Pong said:

    Elliot said:

    Sajid Javid talking about using cheap government borrowing rates to finance massive homebuilding. Sounds like a good Labour policy.

    It has the makings of an excellent policy.

    The demand side of the coin needs action too, though. The tories IHT bribe to their client vote - incentivising older people to stay in *the family home* until death so they can pass it onto their kids tax free is a big part of the problem.
    Uh, no it isn't. It is not that we need expensive detached family homes to be vacated by pensioners to get young people on the housing ladder, it is that we need more affordable new build flats and semi detached properties to be built which are ideally suited to first time buyers, the former for singles and young couples and the latter to young families.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited October 2017
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Charles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Bringing some reality into the conversation (why?), a few days over fifty years ago, Sweden swapped from driving on the left to the right:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H

    Not as much chaos as you might expect, although the traffic was undoubtedly lighter back then.

    In fact this is another qwerty case where incumbency trumps everything else. There is no doubt that we are right and rhs is wrong, because everyone everywhere mounts a horse from the left.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-_and_right-hand_traffic
    More importantly, as most are right handed, your lance is conveniently positioned to strike your opponent
    Bloody knights and their medieval road rage...
    We also have them to blame for toeing the line, crossing the line, etc ...
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited October 2017
    dyingswan said:

    May I remind punters looking at these odds of the Great Corbo's own prediction. He told Michael Eavis at Glastonbury on the 24th June that he would be PM within 6 months. That expires on Xmas Eve. Corbo is a straight talking politician. He told us so.Therefore there must be a November GE and Santa Corbo will be eating his vegan turkey and mince pies at number 10. Bet with this Labour promise in mind.

    Not necessarily. No election is required, just for this government to collapse and the LOTO to be asked to form a minority government.

    A proletarian rising, and all power to the workers soviets, installing the Jezziah in an October revolution is a further mechanism. Oops, I think that this is still to be kept under wraps :)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,350
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Charles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Bringing some reality into the conversation (why?), a few days over fifty years ago, Sweden swapped from driving on the left to the right:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H

    Not as much chaos as you might expect, although the traffic was undoubtedly lighter back then.

    In fact this is another qwerty case where incumbency trumps everything else. There is no doubt that we are right and rhs is wrong, because everyone everywhere mounts a horse from the left.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-_and_right-hand_traffic
    More importantly, as most are right handed, your lance is conveniently positioned to strike your opponent
    Bloody knights and their medieval road rage...
    Still, not sinister at all.
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