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Inverurie and District on Aberdeenshire (Con defence) Result of first preference votes: Conservative 1,672 (49% +13% on last time), Scottish National Party 1,146 (33% +5% on last time), Liberal Democrat 295 (9% -3% on last time), Labour 276 (8% +4% on last time), Green Party 56 (2%, no candidate last time) (No Independent candidate this time -20%) Conservative lead of 526 (16%) on a swing of 4% from SNP to Con Conservative HOLD elected on the fourth count

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  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,138
    First :smiley:
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,484
    Second!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    edited October 2017
    Third!

    Well that's the podium sorted out :smile:

    The by-election results look pretty grim for the Conservatives this week; not much of a conference bounce there.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,287
    Fourth. UKIP would be so lucky...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    IanB2 said:

    Fourth. UKIP would be so lucky...

    Yes - will UKIP survive to the next GE? (Hopefully not)
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    This sentence from an article posted on LinkedIn made me laugh:

    "the U.S. Senate is considering a bipartisan bill to make voluntary compliance a permanent part of workplace safety."

    Legislating permanent volunteerism seems about as good as Mexico's Institutional Revolutionary Party in the oxymoron stakes.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    MTimT said:

    This sentence from an article posted on LinkedIn made me laugh:

    "the U.S. Senate is considering a bipartisan bill to make voluntary compliance a permanent part of workplace safety."

    Legislating permanent volunteerism seems about as good as Mexico's Institutional Revolutionary Party in the oxymoron stakes.

    How about the Progressive Conservatives?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Conservative_Party_of_Canada
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    Interesting R4 business programme on the airline industry.
    Discusses Brexit, Monarch, Ryanair and future trends. Presented by Evan Davis.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b097c99r
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Benpointer said:

    MTimT said:

    This sentence from an article posted on LinkedIn made me laugh:

    "the U.S. Senate is considering a bipartisan bill to make voluntary compliance a permanent part of workplace safety."

    Legislating permanent volunteerism seems about as good as Mexico's Institutional Revolutionary Party in the oxymoron stakes.

    How about the Progressive Conservatives?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Conservative_Party_of_Canada
    :)
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Interested but no time to listen for 30 minutes. What were the main points?
    Sandpit said:

    Interesting R4 business programme on the airline industry.
    Discusses Brexit, Monarch, Ryanair and future trends. Presented by Evan Davis.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b097c99r

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,224
    edited October 2017
    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    MTimT said:

    Benpointer said:

    MTimT said:

    This sentence from an article posted on LinkedIn made me laugh:

    "the U.S. Senate is considering a bipartisan bill to make voluntary compliance a permanent part of workplace safety."

    Legislating permanent volunteerism seems about as good as Mexico's Institutional Revolutionary Party in the oxymoron stakes.

    How about the Progressive Conservatives?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Conservative_Party_of_Canada
    :)
    Didn’t David Cameron describe himself as a Liberal Conservative?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    edited October 2017
    MTimT said:

    Interested but no time to listen for 30 minutes. What were the main points?

    Sandpit said:

    Interesting R4 business programme on the airline industry.
    Discusses Brexit, Monarch, Ryanair and future trends. Presented by Evan Davis.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b097c99r

    Monarch - uniquely exposed to North Africa market affected by terrorism, so forced to compete in overflowing Southern European market instead. Lots of numbers on expanded seat capacity on these routes (Spain, Italy, Portugal up 10-15% yoy ). Repatriation effort very good from CAA.
    Ryanair - MO’L is a shrewdie, needs to sort out his industrial relations (that’s an understatement!) but people still like his prices.
    Brexit - not a huge one but planning of schedules is done 6-10 months ahead and certainly of arrangements is needed. EasyJet have set up a subsidiary in Vienna to operate intra-EU flights, as an example, which obviously takes up management time. (COO of EZ was on the panel).
    Other bits. Expect more consolidation around AIG, AF/KLM and Lufthansa, with EZ and RYR owning the low cost. Expect buyouts of legacy east European state carriers and people paying attention to Norwegian’s low cost long haul model.

    I think that was about it.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275
    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Sandpit said:

    MTimT said:

    Interested but no time to listen for 30 minutes. What were the main points?

    Sandpit said:

    Interesting R4 business programme on the airline industry.
    Discusses Brexit, Monarch, Ryanair and future trends. Presented by Evan Davis.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b097c99r

    Monarch - uniquely exposed to North Africa market affected by terrorism, so forced to compete in overflowing Southern European market instead. Repatriation effort very good from CAA.
    Ryanair - MO’L is a shrewdie, needs to sort out his industrial relations (that’s an understatement!) but people still like his prices.
    Brexit - not a huge one but planning of schedules is done 6-10 months ahead and certainly of arrangements is needed. EasyJet have set up a subsidiary in Vienna to operate intra-EU flights, as an example, which obviously takes up management time. (COO of EZ was on the panel).
    Other bits. Expect more consolidation around AIG, AF/KLM and Lufthansa, with EZ and RYR owning the low cost. Expect buyouts of legacy east European state carriers and people paying attention to Norwegian’s low cost long haul model.

    I think that was about it.
    Thanks. That all sounds reasonable.

    I often wonder if and when improving communications technology - particularly remote meeting technology - will adversely impact on air travel. But upon consideration I think it might contribute to increased demand - if maintaining relations internationally is easier, it might prompt more people to create those long distant relationships in the first place, which will require at least some initial and maintenance face to face, and hence travel. Likewise, working from home across international borders becomes possible, with occasional face to faces involving air travel.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edited October 2017
    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
    Not so close to the previous election! We are barely 7% of the way through this Parliament. Midterm hardly arises before the 30% point.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    not_on_fire said:

    MTimT said:

    Benpointer said:

    MTimT said:

    This sentence from an article posted on LinkedIn made me laugh:

    "the U.S. Senate is considering a bipartisan bill to make voluntary compliance a permanent part of workplace safety."

    Legislating permanent volunteerism seems about as good as Mexico's Institutional Revolutionary Party in the oxymoron stakes.

    How about the Progressive Conservatives?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Conservative_Party_of_Canada
    :)
    Didn’t David Cameron describe himself as a Liberal Conservative?

    At least the word 'liberal' is ambiguous. Does it mean socially progressive, or tending to libertarian absence of regulation?
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/918938297870757890
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609
    edited October 2017
    justin124 said:

    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
    Not so close to the previous election! We are barely 7% of the way through this Parliament. Midterm hardly arises before the 30% point.
    There has been a Tory led government for 7 years, the Tories have already been in power longer than Attlee's 1945-1951 government, Wilson's 1964-1970 and 1974-1979 governments and Heath's 1970-1974 government. That is midterm enough
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    MTimT said:

    Sandpit said:

    MTimT said:

    Interested but no time to listen for 30 minutes. What were the main points?

    Sandpit said:

    Interesting R4 business programme on the airline industry.
    Discusses Brexit, Monarch, Ryanair and future trends. Presented by Evan Davis.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b097c99r

    Monarch - uniquely exposed to North Africa market affected by terrorism, so forced to compete in overflowing Southern European market instead. Repatriation effort very good from CAA.
    Ryanair - MO’L is a shrewdie, needs to sort out his industrial relations (that’s an understatement!) but people still like his prices.
    Brexit - not a huge one but planning of schedules is done 6-10 months ahead and certainly of arrangements is needed. EasyJet have set up a subsidiary in Vienna to operate intra-EU flights, as an example, which obviously takes up management time. (COO of EZ was on the panel).
    Other bits. Expect more consolidation around AIG, AF/KLM and Lufthansa, with EZ and RYR owning the low cost. Expect buyouts of legacy east European state carriers and people paying attention to Norwegian’s low cost long haul model.

    I think that was about it.
    Thanks. That all sounds reasonable.

    I often wonder if and when improving communications technology - particularly remote meeting technology - will adversely impact on air travel. But upon consideration I think it might contribute to increased demand - if maintaining relations internationally is easier, it might prompt more people to create those long distant relationships in the first place, which will require at least some initial and maintenance face to face, and hence travel. Likewise, working from home across international borders becomes possible, with occasional face to faces involving air travel.
    Videoconferencing is now damn brilliant, yet Emirates still manage to fill business and first on four A380s a day for the 14 hour JFK-DXB flight. That would never have been predicted a decade ago.

    As you say we work differently now, are willing to travel more and the face to face meetings (and business/social events and conferences) are still really important for getting business done.

    Also a lot more long haul private travel than there used to be, as the prices have relatively come down over the years and personal social networks have moved more geographically apart. People will take long haul flights now for weekend breaks and weddings.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,224
    calum said:

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/918938297870757890

    Nadine “it sounds very fishy” arf! I guess “it sounds very crustacean” wouldn’t work as well....
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,224
    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
    Not so close to the previous election! We are barely 7% of the way through this Parliament. Midterm hardly arises before the 30% point.
    There has been a Tory led government for 7 years, the Tories have already been in power longer than Attlee's 1945-1951 government, Wilson's 1964-1970 and 1974-1979 governments and Heath's 1970-1974 government. That is midterm enough
    I’d be happy enough if 7 years in we were at 30% of the government’s run!
  • PAWPAW Posts: 1,074
    Germany is a nation of money lenders. Without the EU to enforce payment they would go to the wall.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    justin124 said:

    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
    Not so close to the previous election! We are barely 7% of the way through this Parliament. Midterm hardly arises before the 30% point.
    That all rather depends on the date of the next election. Anything can happen - and it usually does!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,138
    CarlottaVance said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
    Not so close to the previous election! We are barely 7% of the way through this Parliament. Midterm hardly arises before the 30% point.
    There has been a Tory led government for 7 years, the Tories have already been in power longer than Attlee's 1945-1951 government, Wilson's 1964-1970 and 1974-1979 governments and Heath's 1970-1974 government. That is midterm enough
    I’d be happy enough if 7 years in we were at 30% of the government’s run!
    I’m hoping we are only 0.7% of the way through :smiley:
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,056
    HYUFD said:



    There has been a Tory led government for 7 years, the Tories have already been in power longer than Attlee's 1945-1951 government, Wilson's 1964-1970 and 1974-1979 governments and Heath's 1970-1974 government. That is midterm enough

    This is desperate twaddle and you know it.

    This is the fourth Government since 2010 - we've had the Coalition from 2010-15, the Cameron majority from 2015-16. the May majority from 2016-17 and now the May minority.

    Four Governments in seven years - a real achievement and if we get May out by Christmas with your beloved Johnson/Gove combination, that'll be Government no.5.

    About the same as Italian Governments in the old days !!

  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275
    justin124 said:

    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
    Not so close to the previous election! We are barely 7% of the way through this Parliament. Midterm hardly arises before the 30% point.
    justin124 said:

    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
    Not so close to the previous election! We are barely 7% of the way through this Parliament. Midterm hardly arises before the 30% point.
    That's right. As I said, the dates say it is not yet mid-term but the political torpor surrounding the government is like that which is not normally seen until we are some 30pc into the term. Considering how grim this must look to the average observer, the Tory poll ratings are remarkably robust. I would have thought that they should be at least 10pc behind.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
    Not so close to the previous election! We are barely 7% of the way through this Parliament. Midterm hardly arises before the 30% point.
    There has been a Tory led government for 7 years, the Tories have already been in power longer than Attlee's 1945-1951 government, Wilson's 1964-1970 and 1974-1979 governments and Heath's 1970-1974 government. That is midterm enough
    That does not hold true at all. Re-elected Governments typically enjoy a polling boost in their first year or so in the new Parliament. We saw this in the 1959 Parliament when Macmillan's Government enjoyed a lead over Labour until Autumn 1961 despite having been in office for 8 years. Thatcher enjoyed big poll leads following re-election in 1983 and 1987 until 1985 and 1989 respectively.Likewise Blair on re-election in 2001 had big poll leads until Summer 2003.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    Benpointer said:

    justin124 said:

    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
    Not so close to the previous election! We are barely 7% of the way through this Parliament. Midterm hardly arises before the 30% point.
    That all rather depends on the date of the next election. Anything can happen - and it usually does!
    Given everything that’s happened in the last decade provides more than enough material for Billy Joel to write a followup to We Didn’t Start the Fire, any attempt at predicting what might happen in the next decade should be taken with a very large pinch of salt!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609
    CarlottaVance said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
    Not so close to the previous election! We are barely 7% of the way through this Parliament. Midterm hardly arises before the 30% point.
    There has been a Tory led government for 7 years, the Tories have already been in power longer than Attlee's 1945-1951 government, Wilson's 1964-1970 and 1974-1979 governments and Heath's 1970-1974 government. That is midterm enough
    I’d be happy enough if 7 years in we were at 30% of the government’s run!
    I admit even that would be stretching it
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    Good grief, arguments about how far through the parliament we are.

    Can't we get back to Brexit for a change? :lol:
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
    Not so close to the previous election! We are barely 7% of the way through this Parliament. Midterm hardly arises before the 30% point.
    justin124 said:

    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
    Not so close to the previous election! We are barely 7% of the way through this Parliament. Midterm hardly arises before the 30% point.
    That's right. As I said, the dates say it is not yet mid-term but the political torpor surrounding the government is like that which is not normally seen until we are some 30pc into the term. Considering how grim this must look to the average observer, the Tory poll ratings are remarkably robust. I would have thought that they should be at least 10pc behind.
    I rather disagree there. A re-elected Government would normally still enjoy a commanding poll lead at this stage. Its failure to achieve that could well be significant.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:



    There has been a Tory led government for 7 years, the Tories have already been in power longer than Attlee's 1945-1951 government, Wilson's 1964-1970 and 1974-1979 governments and Heath's 1970-1974 government. That is midterm enough

    This is desperate twaddle and you know it.

    This is the fourth Government since 2010 - we've had the Coalition from 2010-15, the Cameron majority from 2015-16. the May majority from 2016-17 and now the May minority.

    Four Governments in seven years - a real achievement and if we get May out by Christmas with your beloved Johnson/Gove combination, that'll be Government no.5.

    About the same as Italian Governments in the old days !!

    Maybe but they have still all been Tory led governments. 7 years into the last Labour government in 2004 Michael Howard's Tories won that year's local elections by 37% to Blair's Labour's 26% and by 51 councils to 39. A year later Labour won the general election, albeit with a significantly reduced majority
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2004
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    calum said:

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/918938297870757890

    "Two former work colleagues have lunch" is front page news?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    edited October 2017
    Sandpit said:

    Benpointer said:

    justin124 said:

    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
    Not so close to the previous election! We are barely 7% of the way through this Parliament. Midterm hardly arises before the 30% point.
    That all rather depends on the date of the next election. Anything can happen - and it usually does!
    Given everything that’s happened in the last decade provides more than enough material for Billy Joel to write a followup to We Didn’t Start the Fire, any attempt at predicting what might happen in the next decade should be taken with a very large pinch of salt!
    Indeed, as the great Niels Bohr said "It's hard to make predictions, especially about the future."
  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275
    edited October 2017
    justin124 said:

    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
    Not so close to the previous election! We are barely 7% of the way through this Parliament. Midterm hardly arises before the 30% point.
    justin124 said:

    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
    Not so close to the previous election! We are barely 7% of the way through this Parliament. Midterm hardly arises before the 30% point.
    That's right. As I said, the dates say it is not yet mid-term but the political torpor surrounding the government is like that which is not normally seen until we are some 30pc into the term. Considering how grim this must look to the average observer, the Tory poll ratings are remarkably robust. I would have thought that they should be at least 10pc behind.
    I rather disagree there. A re-elected Government would normally still enjoy a commanding poll lead at this stage. Its failure to achieve that could well be significant.
    Time will tell I suppose. 2017 is the only election I can recall which resulted in an emphatically phyrric victory for the victor. Never has a reelected PM looked so foolish.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609
    edited October 2017
    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
    Not so close to the previous election! We are barely 7% of the way through this Parliament. Midterm hardly arises before the 30% point.
    There has been a Tory led government for 7 years, the Tories have already been in power longer than Attlee's 1945-1951 government, Wilson's 1964-1970 and 1974-1979 governments and Heath's 1970-1974 government. That is midterm enough
    That does not hold true at all. Re-elected Governments typically enjoy a polling boost in their first year or so in the new Parliament. We saw this in the 1959 Parliament when Macmillan's Government enjoyed a lead over Labour until Autumn 1961 despite having been in office for 8 years. Thatcher enjoyed big poll leads following re-election in 1983 and 1987 until 1985 and 1989 respectively.Likewise Blair on re-election in 2001 had big poll leads until Summer 2003.
    Macmillan and Thatcher both won landslides in 1959 and 1983 and 1987 as did Blair in 2001 so the opposition had a mountain to climb after those defeats. Blair in 2005 did not and was trailing in the polls by the end of the year as was Major by the end of 1992 after a narrow win earlier in the year and Thatcher by the end of 1979 was also trailing Labour having won a majority under 50. The same holds true of the Tories in 2010 who were at best neck and neck with Labour after failing to win a majority that May. Wilson in October 1974 only won a tiny majority after failing to win outright in February. All the latter examples are closer to what happened in June when May lost her majority albeit won most seats.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    edited October 2017
    Benpointer said:

    Sandpit said:

    Benpointer said:

    justin124 said:

    PeterC said:

    justin124 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Not too bad for mid-term elections.......as with everything else very little evidence of movement....

    But we are nowhere near midterm!
    The politics is mid-term even if the dates are not.
    Not so close to the previous election! We are barely 7% of the way through this Parliament. Midterm hardly arises before the 30% point.
    That all rather depends on the date of the next election. Anything can happen - and it usually does!
    Given everything that’s happened in the last decade provides more than enough material for Billy Joel to write a followup to We Didn’t Start the Fire, any attempt at predicting what might happen in the next decade should be taken with a very large pinch of salt!
    Indeed, as the great Niels Bohr said "It's hard to make predictions, especially about the future."
    I’ll predict that I’ll have bacon and eggs for breakfast tomorrow, but that’s about as far as I dare go with any reliability!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,949
    AlastairMeeks said:

    calum said:

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/918938297870757890

    "Two former work colleagues have lunch" is front page news?
    Yes, but the Chancellor broke bread with an "arch remainer".
    Isn't there a law against that ?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited October 2017
    Nigelb said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    calum said:

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/918938297870757890

    "Two former work colleagues have lunch" is front page news?
    Yes, but the Chancellor broke bread with an "arch remainer".
    Isn't there a law against that ?
    Perhaps getting some budget tips - for the Punishment Budget.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,949
    Meantime, this is perhaps the most (consequentially) stupid thing Trump has yet done:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41613314
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,763
    Itv news, Peston heard minister say May gone by Xmas.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    Jonathan said:

    Itv news, Peston heard minister say May gone by Xmas.

    Any particular Xmas?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    I predict my bin will blow over tonight
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Thanks to Harry (I assume) for his meticulous work reporting all these local results.

    The swings seem to be all over the place.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Jonathan said:

    Itv news, Peston heard minister say May gone by Xmas.

    She looks as if she will be relieved to be put out of her misery
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,138
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    He’s trying to pull a Sideous by being on both sides at once ;)
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    I think the Mail is miffed because he's dining with the editor of a rival publication.
  • blueblueblueblue Posts: 875
    Jonathan said:

    Itv news, Peston heard minister say May gone by Xmas.

    They said the same about WW1...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,224
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    Well in the FT it’s been a “week of woe” for Hammond:

    http://suttonnick.tumblr.com/image/166369591631
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    I think the Mail is miffed because he's dining with the editor of a rival publication.
    It's a wonderfully thin article, filled out with a bit of old freezer-gossip and some rehashed Nadine. One can't but admire their professionalism in managing to make an entire front-page out of it.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    From watching the news you'd think this Weinstein person has already been found guilty in a court of law.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    AndyJS said:

    From watching the news you'd think this Weinstein person has already been found guilty in a court of law.

    You might also think it was news.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    The story is a red herring.

    I'll get my coat...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,224
    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/918949677852131328
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    ydoethur said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    The story is a red herring.

    I'll get my coat...
    No need to get crabby!
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,763
    Osborne recently spotted with Gove. Just saying.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    I think the Mail is miffed because he's dining with the editor of a rival publication.
    Leading on from this thought, no doubt the Mail's editor is going to keep us updated on all his lunchtime companions henceforth?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    foxinsoxuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    The story is a red herring.

    I'll get my coat...
    No need to get crabby!
    You missed the sole point of my post!
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    OK, so what's the restaurant? Doesn't seem to be Daphne's or La Poissonerie.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,224
    Awkward

    https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/918955244645691393
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,518
    ydoethur said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    The story is a red herring.

    I'll get my coat...
    No need to get crabby!
    You missed the sole point of my post!
    This is neither the time nor the plaice...
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    OK, so what's the restaurant? Doesn't seem to be Daphne's or La Poissonerie.

    Granita?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Ah, it's Caraffini, near Sloane Square. Not exactly the swankiest.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,267
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    OK, so what's the restaurant? Doesn't seem to be Daphne's or La Poissonerie.

    Granita?
    Long gone.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,356
    foxinsoxuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    The story is a red herring.

    I'll get my coat...
    No need to get crabby!
    Skate-ing on thin ice!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,356
    RobD said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    He’s trying to pull a Sideous by being on both sides at once ;)
    Sidious!!! :o
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,267
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Ah, it's Caraffini, near Sloane Square. Not exactly the swankiest.

    Do we know who paid the bill?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,138
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    RobD said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    He’s trying to pull a Sideous by being on both sides at once ;)
    Sidious!!! :o
    Sideous is his duller cousin. :)
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Sounds like the Sunday Times is going to have a good story tomorrow:

    https://twitter.com/shippersunbound/status/918955990447423488
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Nigelb said:

    Meantime, this is perhaps the most (consequentially) stupid thing Trump has yet done:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41613314

    There's a lot of competition for that title ... Alas.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Sounds like the Sunday Times is going to have a good story tomorrow:

    https://twitter.com/shippersunbound/status/918955990447423488

    John McDonnell lunching with Ed Balls?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,821
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Sounds like the Sunday Times is going to have a good story tomorrow:

    https://twitter.com/shippersunbound/status/918955990447423488

    John McDonnell lunching with Ed Balls?
    John McDonnell on a yacht with Oleg Deripaska?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,949
    dixiedean said:

    ydoethur said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    The story is a red herring.

    I'll get my coat...
    No need to get crabby!
    You missed the sole point of my post!
    This is neither the time nor the plaice...
    For-tuna-tely, many on PB are dab hands at fishy puns...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,949
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Sounds like the Sunday Times is going to have a good story tomorrow:

    https://twitter.com/shippersunbound/status/918955990447423488

    John McDonnell lunching with Ed Balls?
    McDonnell is a lean and hungry man. Ed not so much.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,821
    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    ydoethur said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    The story is a red herring.

    I'll get my coat...
    No need to get crabby!
    You missed the sole point of my post!
    This is neither the time nor the plaice...
    For-tuna-tely, many on PB are dab hands at fishy puns...
    That's a poor ling.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,949
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    AndyJS said:

    From watching the news you'd think this Weinstein person has already been found guilty in a court of law.

    You might also think it was news.
    You think it isn't ?
    Granted, it's showbiz, but it likely has a wider cultural significance.

    There is also the point that it's quite hazardous, particularly in the US, to take on those with deep pockets. There is strength in numbers, and I don't think it necessarily a bad thing that news organisations are collaborating in spreading the story.
    Here's a cautionary tale (around a completely different matter) which, I think, tends to support my point:
    https://splinternews.com/everything-about-disney-and-abcs-pink-slime-settlement-1797827920
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/918964092882374656
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    And if you want a metaphor...

    https://twitter.com/cnn/status/918914437662281728
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,866
    Nigelb said:

    Meantime, this is perhaps the most (consequentially) stupid thing Trump has yet done:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41613314

    He's so pissed that North Korea got the bomb that he wants Iran to get it too...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    williamglenn said:

    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    ydoethur said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    The story is a red herring.

    I'll get my coat...
    No need to get crabby!
    You missed the sole point of my post!
    This is neither the time nor the plaice...
    For-tuna-tely, many on PB are dab hands at fishy puns...
    That's a poor ling.
    But a very shark rejoinder.

    I'm having a whale of a time here but I am asleep. Good night all.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,949
    williamglenn said:

    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    ydoethur said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    The story is a red herring.

    I'll get my coat...
    No need to get crabby!
    You missed the sole point of my post!
    This is neither the time nor the plaice...
    For-tuna-tely, many on PB are dab hands at fishy puns...
    That's a poor ling.
    I had no idea my puns smelt so bad. Can we please skate over their deficiencies - after all they weren't on porpoise, and I'm beginning to flounder..


  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,866
    williamglenn said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Sounds like the Sunday Times is going to have a good story tomorrow:

    https://twitter.com/shippersunbound/status/918955990447423488

    John McDonnell lunching with Ed Balls?
    John McDonnell on a yacht with Oleg Deripaska?
    Nah, the video has finally been found of John McDonnell peeing on Nadine Dorries in a Blackpool guest house.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/918964092882374656

    What, another coronation?!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,949
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/918964092882374656

    Was the minister that told him that Johnson ?

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    Nigelb said:

    williamglenn said:

    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    ydoethur said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    The story is a red herring.

    I'll get my coat...
    No need to get crabby!
    You missed the sole point of my post!
    This is neither the time nor the plaice...
    For-tuna-tely, many on PB are dab hands at fishy puns...
    That's a poor ling.
    I had no idea my puns smelt so bad. Can we please skate over their deficiencies - after all they weren't on porpoise, and I'm beginning to flounder..


    They are definitely below parr.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,949
    ydoethur said:

    williamglenn said:

    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    ydoethur said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    The story is a red herring.

    I'll get my coat...
    No need to get crabby!
    You missed the sole point of my post!
    This is neither the time nor the plaice...
    For-tuna-tely, many on PB are dab hands at fishy puns...
    That's a poor ling.
    But a very shark rejoinder.

    I'm having a whale of a time here but I am asleep. Good night all.
    Brill.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,255
    Nigelb said:

    Meantime, this is perhaps the most (consequentially) stupid thing Trump has yet done:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41613314

    Let's wait and see if Iran has been shown to be developing its nuke and missile technolgy outside Iran.

    Say, in North Korea....
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,723
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    I was giving Hammond a fair bit of respect for trying to stay above the fray and just doing his job. Someone has to be seen to be trying to keep things going for the country.

    That has taken a dent today. If it was an off the cuff comment then he should know better as a senior politician and be able to control himself. If it was an intentional gaff to try and engender some support from the Eurosceptics then it was incredibly ill considered.

    I tend towards the former but that is still an unnecessary own goal.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,255
    Benpointer said:

    Nigelb said:

    williamglenn said:

    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    ydoethur said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I'm confused. Is Phil Hammond a saboteur for his lobster-eating, or a hero for his astute identification of the enemies?

    The story is a red herring.

    I'll get my coat...
    No need to get crabby!
    You missed the sole point of my post!
    This is neither the time nor the plaice...
    For-tuna-tely, many on PB are dab hands at fishy puns...
    That's a poor ling.
    I had no idea my puns smelt so bad. Can we please skate over their deficiencies - after all they weren't on porpoise, and I'm beginning to flounder..


    They are definitely below parr.
    Showing no remoras about that pun....
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,696
    AlastairMeeks said:

    calum said:

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/918938297870757890

    "Two former work colleagues have lunch" is front page news?
    They were there for their own shellfish reasons.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,723
    AndyJS said:

    From watching the news you'd think this Weinstein person has already been found guilty in a court of law.

    What he has already admitted to is way beyond what any reasonable person would consider acceptable. I have no idea if the rape stuff is true of course and he denies all of that (I do hope it isn't true although that then raises more questions) but even without that he has behaved in an atrocious manner and deserves to be out of a job.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,949
    MarqueeMark said:

    Nigelb said:

    Meantime, this is perhaps the most (consequentially) stupid thing Trump has yet done:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41613314

    Let's wait and see if Iran has been shown to be developing its nuke and missile technolgy outside Iran.

    Say, in North Korea....
    Yes, let's do that.
    AFAIK, there's minimal evidence of that - unless you count Fox News speculation.
    Should the US escalate conflict with Iran it is, of course, entirely conceivable that they'll seek to purchase weapons tech from N Korea.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,255
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/918964092882374656

    Why was BoJo not able to put himself forward as a candidate in 2016, but now seems to think he could be just 15 months later? This is what I still don't get.

    That said, how could a Prime Minister called Boris not delight every Trot and Leninist? It's what they were working for all those years....
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,723
    No_Offence_Alan said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    calum said:

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/918938297870757890

    "Two former work colleagues have lunch" is front page news?
    They were there for their own shellfish reasons.
    Well you are a Ray of sunshine.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,518
    wrt the puns.
    Fin.
    Please.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,633
    Where did Hammond get lobster so cheap ?????
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,518
    edited October 2017
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    AndyJS said:

    From watching the news you'd think this Weinstein person has already been found guilty in a court of law.

    What he has already admitted to is way beyond what any reasonable person would consider acceptable. I have no idea if the rape stuff is true of course and he denies all of that (I do hope it isn't true although that then raises more questions) but even without that he has behaved in an atrocious manner and deserves to be out of a job.
    Don't buy this "sex addiction" nonsense.
    The vast majority of people like sex. Most of them a lot. Doesn't mean they force it on anyone, either by physical force, or in return for favours.
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sexual-intelligence/201710/harvey-weinstein-proves-sex-addiction-doesnt-exist
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