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“I have a dream”, said Martin Luther King, in one of the greatest speeches of the twentieth century. It was a dream he wanted to share and did share, and it was – and is – remembered not just for the eloquence of that initial delivery but for the righteousness and simplicity of the vision.
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Mr Herdson talks easily about "One Nation Conservatism" - but that was only an attempt 150 years ago to pass themselves off more or less as Liberals. This discourse sits uncomfortably with the project of real hard-line Tories, both in what they say, what they do, and what they try to do. The real Conservative project is to enhance the wealth and power of those who already have more than enough of these, and to do down everybody else, whom they naturally despise.
Soft words will not be enough to win voters back to the Tory cause. It transpires that the Liberal Democrats have already overtaken the Conservatives in terms of membership. And the Lib Dems not only have the more appealing image, but also a demonstrable record in government, though this has been sabotaged in recent months by Mrs May`s government.
The Conservative Party has come to a crossroads, It is time for it to split. I think I know which wing Mr Herdson belongs to. It is the more Liberal wing. He and others like him should dissociate themselves from the hard-liners. They will, I think, be happier when they do.
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The Tories' best chance is, surely, to secure a Brexit deal that does not do too much harm to the economy and to hope that Labour's fragile unity begins to fall apart. That means four more years before an election. The problem is this does not suit the destructive, disloyal, unpatriotic Boris Johnson, to whom the daily-diminishing May has no choice but to give a free hand to damage not only the government but also the UK's international reputation.
What a mess.
The sentence I have left above is total crap. Sure, there are some greedy people who vote Conservative, there are some people who exploit others who vote Conservative. However they are not the heart soul or core of the Conservative Party or philosophy. Just as liberals and Labour both have some voters who are unwanted and foul individuals. That is humanity.
All parties have undesirables attracted to join them. There is an allure, the prospect of power. It is a magnet for undesirables on all sides.
The belief of most party members (from all the main parties) is that the philosophy they advocate is the best for the country, and that means for the population as a whole.
Your use of dispise suggests you are victim of brainwashing, inadequate independent thought or completely lack real world experience.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/boris-johnson-under-fire-from-ruth-davidson-on-eve-of-tory-conference-tdbtgk97c
I felt he had a strategy, he certainly had policies which presented him as a different sort of Conservative (Foreign Aid, Gay marriage, Support for the NHS), but it felt to me like his 'vision' of a big society was a little forgotten once in office. He was happy to delegate.
Still he was PM for 6 years and managed to win a majority - so maybe vision isn't everything.
Well...
He is an interesting example, in some ways he had vision, more so than Brown, he lacked public charisma, and was contesting with Cameron who had far more, success alluded him.
On the morning after the last general election George Osborne called Theresa May a dead woman walking. If anything he understated. Her personal political death occurred on the pronouncement of the exit poll on election day. Reanimated the following morning, she’s now a zombie prime minister leading a zombie cabinet in a zombie party gathering in Manchester for a conference of the walking dead.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/tories-are-trapped-in-a-zombie-apocalypse-5x3nhzvcz
FREE AT LAST. FREE AT LAST. THANK GOD ALMIGHTY WE'RE FREE AT LAST!
One Nation Tories see themselves as representing that Blitz/Dunkirk myth of the whole country pulling together against external challenges, while the more factional right (Mrs Thatcher famously used to ask "is he one of us?") see themselves as defending against internal enemies such as Trade Unionists.
That division is now almost entirely Brexit focussed, rather than on socio-economic issues as in the days of Mrs Thatcher. One Nation Tories can be Leavers, but they see the need to attend to the 48%. The harder Right see Brexit as a way of reforming the country in their image, getting rid of pesky environmental and social regulation, and embracing chlorine soaked chicken as a form of free enterprise.
These are very different visions of the nation, and the battle for the soul of the Conservative party seems a perpetual one, but the party will not split. Indeed the Conservatives act like an Abzorboluff, absorbing other breakaway parties, such as the National Liberals. Much of the current difficulties are indigestion from eating too much kipper.
Brexit is a forced choice event though, it is not possible to straddle that divide between the One Nation side and the more partisan right. It is why the Tories are always banging on about Europe. Expect it to dominate the next few years.
Jezza's masterstroke was to run an election that more or less ignored Brexit, and did the same again at conference. Europe isn't of the same significance in terms of philosophy there, nor for much of the country.
And so a divided identity free Tory party finds itself and the country in crisis. Set aside the existential crisis of Brexit which like their economics has utterly failed the core objectives (settle the internal civil war) and look at the existential coat of living crisis.
Any economist with eyes a brain and an an understanding of economics can see how the current bubble is getting stretched as far as it can before pop time. A viable economy needs punters to consume, and they can't do that whilst wages go backwards and the cost of everything especially housing goes through the roof. Osborne the genius tried to cover the reality gap with consumer credit, and that's also pretty much at the end place before snapping backwards hard.
A Tory party who have forgotten human decency, who have forgotten free market entrepreneurialism, who think self-preservation of their dwindling ageing members is bigger than country - what are you for?
I kept on thinking it was Johnathon Agnew. Sounds just like him.
It's not immediately clear how to stop that. Other than sack him, which is what he is begging for.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/sep/30/why-it-was-no-picnic-growing-up-as-the-son-of-a-tory-mp?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Thoughtful piece by former MP's son.
Are people fit to hit their quota, the disabled person loses not only money but in many cases their car, wheelchair, carer - leaving many unable to leave the house or even be clean - and then the disabled people win their appeals at absurd rates approaching 90%.
Not only does all of this cost the taxpayer money - as all the withheld monies are returned and the equipment bought again AND the legal fees AND paying the idiots doing the assessments - it seems explicitly designed to treat the disabled as an example to fuel their patron's campaign to demononise everyone of welfare benefits who isn't a pensioner
So yes. Tories have forgotten human dignity. They choose to ignore these outrages. They don't need to, a change of policy to something humane is all that's needed. I used to blame that evil bastard Duncan Smith. Yet the policy continues and he has gone. Must be his party then.
The Tories should be worried, he sounds more like a leader than almost anyone on their side.
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/ein-interview-mit-dem-katalanischen-regionalpraesident-carles-puigdemont-15224541.html
I thought Mrs May's problem was the kipper vote went more to labour than the conservatives in GE17
Irrelevant. When the vast majority of disabled people win their appeals and we pay the cost the policy is patently stupid. It's degrading. It's inhuman. Yet they continue it. Why? Unless they are actually amoral all I could think is that they are blinded by ideology - if we are very firm the person with crippling chronic condtions might suddenly become a functioning person who an employer will pay so we dont have to
Seats like Gower (which reach up into the decayed industrial towns south of Llanelli) and Vale of Clwyd (including the Rhyl hinterland) were Tory wins in 2015 and losses in 2017 because of the rise and fall of UKIP.
A Complete Lunatick. I think he's high up in the Church of England these days,
they have no legal basis for the vote, no international support and no means of enforcing it
If UKIP goes all BNP, that might take WWC votes off Labour, but be less appealing to middle class folk. They seem to have rejected that option.
One to cheer up Scott P
http://www.scotsman.com/news/catholicism-set-to-become-most-popular-religion-in-scotland-1-4574112
I was at the same school as Alex Gardiner. He was in the year below me. We both entered it when it was a grammar. It turned comprehensive a few years later. It was not tough in any way at all. Ask Toby Young, he was there, too.
"He says: "The crucial thing I want to get over to Sun readers about Brexit is that it is going to be great and we need to believe in ourselves and believe we can do it. It is unstoppable."
Mr Johnson also touches on other subjects in the interview - calling for a faster increase in the minimum wage and for public sector pay rises
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41441444
(The one thing I am 100% sure of is that is there were an ECJ ruling on any point it would be ignored. Why people think that this court is of any significance at all given it has no actual powers of enforcement I am not sure. If Davis were smart he would say that he would accept ECJ jurisdiction after the manner the French do.)
our little englander brexit threads just mean we ignore whats happening in the wider world
this week
Germany is struggling to form a government and Merkel is in trouble
Macron's euro vision gets pasted by other members
Kurdistan votes for independence
Catalonia goes to the brink
North Korea says its a war with USA
PB's response is to freak out about Boris - again
ah yes, all those POTUS and Trump threads supoort your argument
do events in the Germany France and Spain have no influence of us ?
I note the wrote up says the threshold for reason to suspect is low. It also demonstrate the officers were using the discredited and logically absurd method of referring g to complainant as victims and treating things as true unless something contradicted it, which the excellent report from Sir Richard Henriques tore apart. Doesn't make any sense. No other nations have global influence other than superpowers?
It's bullshit.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-general-election-lacked-debates-conservatives-jeremy-corbyn-a7974921.html
I note the write up says the threshold for reason to suspect is low. It also demonstrates the officers were using the now discredited and logically absurd method of referring to complainants as victims and treating things as true unless something contradicted it, which the excellent report from Sir Richard Henriques tore apart as a reversal of the detective process and burden of proof.
If the man did terrible things that is horrible, but if reason to suspect is all they have given the gumption of the police claims and when they apparently have been acting as very poor detectives given they used procedures which were so comprehensively slammed, which show they were determined to find proof to fit a specific outcome rather than merely investigate then it is pretty weak sauce.
https://conservativepartyconference.com/index
boris.johnson.mp@parliament.uk
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/30/boris-johnson-caught-on-camera-reciting-kipling-in-myanmar-temple?CMP=share_btn_tw
Really, big story from Guardian and Channel 4, more than those expulsions?
Cameroon bans pro independence rallies.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-41442330
I don't think Theresa May has had a vision in her life.
It is more of an attitude than a philosophy, but it's one rooted in reality that is shared by millions of people.
Almost by definition, to be successful, it has to both gain and stay in power as much as possible.