Theresa May today sounded far more Marxist than John McDonnell: '40 years ago Marx pronounced, in principle, in favor of Free Trade as the more progressive plan'. (https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/). Very different reasoning of course. It's a shame Lawrence & Wishart have had Marx's speech on Free Trade taken off the internet.
'Free market' is a total innuendo though, as if in our recent relatively 'free market' decades the political conversation hasn't been almost entirely dominated by economic issues. A system created by centuries of intensive state intervention, maintained by intensive state intervention, pretending to be natural law.
'The different momenta of primitive accumulation distribute themselves now, more or less in chronological order, particularly over Spain, Portugal, Holland, France, and England. In England at the end of the 17th century, they arrive at a systematical combination, embracing the colonies, the national debt, the modern mode of taxation, and the protectionist system. These methods depend in part on brute force, e.g., the colonial system. But, they all employ the power of the State, the concentrated and organised force of society, to hasten, hot-house fashion, the process of transformation of the feudal mode of production into the capitalist mode, and to shorten the transition. Force is the midwife of every old society pregnant with a new one. It is itself an economic power ...
Tantae molis erat, to establish the “eternal laws of Nature” of the capitalist mode of production, to complete the process of separation between labourers and conditions of labour, to transform, at one pole, the social means of production and subsistence into capital, at the opposite pole, the mass of the population into wage labourers, into “free labouring poor,” that artificial product of modern society.'
Labour's current plan seems to be a return to its post-1917 social programme, when their manifesto had a pledge to 'Avert Revolution'. Reform now or wait until disaster forces a more drastic change was the idea then.
Dixiedean:
I see you have put considerable thought into this. Rather more than the trite outpourings of our PM.
Indeed Marx was a free trader, and believed in balanced budgets.
Maybe the Tory Party needs to split into The Conservative and Unionist (Marxist) Party, and the Conservative and Unionist (Official) Party.
That was the case on some of the beta versions (I’m on Apple’s test programme and have been through about 10 IOS11 betas on the iPad), but the production version 11.0.1 seems pretty good.
Have you tried the new update? It came out last night.
I will take a look...the worst bit was when I upgraded to IOS11 in the first place, my phone got stuck in the loop where by it required me to accept the T&Cs, but wouldn't accept my tap! Took me over an hour.
Indeed Marx was a free trader, and believed in balanced budgets.
Maybe the Tory Party needs to split into The Conservative and Unionist (Marxist) Party, and the Conservative and Unionist (Official) Party.
The founder and leader of the first Marxist party in Britain (Hyndman of the SDF) was a Tory Little Englander, and there was a scandal when the SDF took money off the Conservative Party to put candidates up against the Liberals... your plan just might work.
Why does Scotland have so many nationalist extremists?
Scottish Dawn, The Orange Order, Fans of Rangers/Sevco, and The SNP for starters.
You're entirely wrong. I'm reliably informed that anyone waving a Union Flag (Nazi salutes notwithstanding) is a high minded patriot, saltires for narrow nationalists.
To his great credit, he seems to accept that they screwed up on banking supervision:
Famously the paragraph on removing banking regulation was removed from this letter and given to the Governor in a separate letter that weekend. But it is clear from my draft that the Deputy Governor (Financial Regulation) was intended to play a vital role in macro-financial stability within the Bank, with ‘conduct’ regulation moved to a separate institution. As is well known, some senior figures at both the Treasury and the Bank wanted a more decisive break. And the final compromise evolved progressively, and problematically, over the following decade as the Bank’s engagement in financial stability steadily eroded.
* Although that's the name normally used, it's really a misnomer. It wasn't about BoE independence, but handing responsibility for interest-rate changes to an independent committee.
Why does Scotland have so many nationalist extremists?
Scottish Dawn, The Orange Order, Fans of Rangers/Sevco, and The SNP for starters.
You're entirely wrong. I'm reliably informed that anyone waving a Union Flag (Nazi salutes notwithstanding) is a high minded patriot, saltires for narrow nationalists.
Rubbish. The amazing thing about android, compared to apple, is that the system treats you as an adult human being rather than a recalcitrant child who has to put a fcking password in to download free software and is incapable of making his own choice of cloud backup service. Steve Earle was right, the iphone is the devil's right hand.
A great piece by the handsome and erudite Mr Meeks. An unusually literate thread follows which was a pleasure to read. A few quick thoughts.
#1 Of course the rEU will be badly damaged by Brexit just the UK will be. It's a global disaster. The Chinese and the Russians must be laughing. No sane person denies Brexit damages the EU. It's one f many reasons why it's such a stupid idea.
#2 I obviously voted in a different referendum to most posted. Ours was about immigration,not sharing our money, the psychology of control and immigration. I missed the one where Sunderland were outraged over Dave's expectations management re Bloomberg and legal status of EUCO decisions Vs Treaty Change. Let's be clear. The brighter leavers can see where this train wreck is heading and are reinforcing their back stories that they were forced to vote leave.
#3 Richard Nabavi is excellent in the strength of Cameron's deal. It was a Gold Plated example of the British genius in it's EU relationships. It reinforced a unique set of opt outs while maintaining full membership rights all by leveraging our size and budget contributions. We've no influence in Europe apparently but somehow negotiated ourselves the best deal of the 28. And the deal drive a coach and horses through at least three previous EU shibboleths. Not a day passes when I don't marvel we gave it all up to be a third party to our continental decision makers. We've handed a manifest destiny to the Germans. 500 years of Foriegn policy has been reversed in a stroke.
#4 That the last plank of the Leave prospectus to collapse like an Antarctic ice sheet is an intra anglosphere trade war is utterly hilarious as well as tragic.
Why does Scotland have so many nationalist extremists?
Scottish Dawn, The Orange Order, Fans of Rangers/Sevco, and The SNP for starters.
You're entirely wrong. I'm reliably informed that anyone waving a Union Flag (Nazi salutes notwithstanding) is a high minded patriot, saltires for narrow nationalists.
The Butcher’s Apron is beacon of hope to all that see it.
Clearly time to reform the voting system, so that we no longer have these disastrous people getting elected.
I flagged up this idiocy months ago on here, in the hope that someone in Labour might read it would slap Sheffield council around the head with an inflated puffer fish.....
Indeed Marx was a free trader, and believed in balanced budgets.
Maybe the Tory Party needs to split into The Conservative and Unionist (Marxist) Party, and the Conservative and Unionist (Official) Party.
The founder and leader of the first Marxist party in Britain (Hyndman of the SDF) was a Tory Little Englander, and there was a scandal when the SDF took money off the Conservative Party to put candidates up against the Liberals... your plan just might work.
If one thing can be gleaned from the theories writ on histr’y It’s that mankind’s laws remain shrouded in a cloak of myst’ry For naught delights the gods like debunking human hubris And predictions made by Marx end up being next to uselis
On topic: The briefing seems consistent. We've not made enough progress to advance to Stage 2 but yet trade talks will start by Christmas. So expect a formal delay of Stage 2 by EUCO to show us who's boss and burn two more months of negotiating time coupled by trade talks. I suspect the EU will be very keen on May's ' Peurto Rico ' style transition. It sets such a humiliating example to other nations. Expect a tank of the chain but nothing more. It will all be blown up by the Tory right if it's blown up by anyone.
In quite interesting polling news, Everton fans are second highest Leave supporting fans (behind Chelsea), Liverpool second highest Remain supporting fans (behind Brighton).
In quite interesting polling news, Everton fans are second highest Leave supporting fans (behind Chelsea), Liverpool second highest Remain supporting fans (behind Brighton).
In quite interesting polling news, Everton fans are second highest Leave supporting fans (behind Chelsea), Liverpool second highest Remain supporting fans (behind Brighton).
Find that very hard to believe. Merseyside was strongly Remain, and Evertonians are notoriously local. LFC fans as @TSE shows are notoriously tourists.
Have you tried the new update? It came out last night.
Never install version n.0 of anything
Let's give Empire 2.0 a wide berth then.
Hear hear. Let's face it, the 1.x series was pretty shit for everyone but the elite.
The Empire was awesome for me, without it, I wouldn't be here.
It was also great for abolishing the slave trade.
The empire was very good for a huge number of people. It was also very bad for a lot. On balance though, and given the alternatives, it was probably a force for good in history.
Have you tried the new update? It came out last night.
Never install version n.0 of anything
Let's give Empire 2.0 a wide berth then.
Hear hear. Let's face it, the 1.x series was pretty shit for everyone but the elite.
The Empire was awesome for me, without it, I wouldn't be here.
It was also great for abolishing the slave trade.
The empire was very good for a huge number of people. It was also very bad for a lot. On balance though, and given the alternatives, it was probably a force for good in history.
Certainly if the alternative was colonisation by the Belgians!
Have you tried the new update? It came out last night.
Never install version n.0 of anything
Let's give Empire 2.0 a wide berth then.
Hear hear. Let's face it, the 1.x series was pretty shit for everyone but the elite.
The Empire was awesome for me, without it, I wouldn't be here.
It was also great for abolishing the slave trade.
The empire was very good for a huge number of people. It was also very bad for a lot. On balance though, and given the alternatives, it was probably a force for good in history.
Without the Empire we wouldn't have the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand or a democratic India.
There would very probably have been challenges equal to those of fascism and communism, or the same ones, but no democratic coalition big enough to defeat them.
The United Nations would not have been founded.
English would not be the global language, probably Spanish or French instead, or a mixture, and there would also have been far fewer open and free markets, worldwide.
The British Empire is the parent that gave birth to a free modern world. And it might be definitively permanent had it done a more thorough job in China, rather than just flirting with Hong Kong and Singapore.
The ultimate cop-out but the UK/EIRE could accept an official "hard" border in NI, but then effectively ignore it and just do customs and immigration raids as a deterrent in NI, with more thorough ones on the way to the mainland.
That's probably what would happen in the event of a total collapse of the A50 talks.
The Irish border will be between the UK and the EU. The Irish cannot unilaterally decide how they will police it - it has to be policed in line with EU rules and regulations. To do otherwise would be to give the UK and other non EU member states a potential back door into the single market.
Have you tried the new update? It came out last night.
Never install version n.0 of anything
Let's give Empire 2.0 a wide berth then.
Hear hear. Let's face it, the 1.x series was pretty shit for everyone but the elite.
The Empire was awesome for me, without it, I wouldn't be here.
It was also great for abolishing the slave trade.
LOL about the slave trade
"The Asiento was the permission given by the Spanish government to other countries to sell slaves to the Spanish colonies, between the years 1543 and 1834. In British history, it usually refers to the contract between Spain and Great Britain created in 1713 that dealt with the supply of African slaves for the Spanish territories in the Americas. The British government passed its rights to the South Sea Company."
Great Britain/the UK were beaten only by Portugal in numbers shipped Africa -> the Americas, so let's slightly modify our rapture at the thought that after several centuries of effectively *being* the slave trade, it had a rethink.
Have you tried the new update? It came out last night.
Never install version n.0 of anything
Let's give Empire 2.0 a wide berth then.
Hear hear. Let's face it, the 1.x series was pretty shit for everyone but the elite.
The Empire was awesome for me, without it, I wouldn't be here.
It was also great for abolishing the slave trade.
LOL about the slave trade
"The Asiento was the permission given by the Spanish government to other countries to sell slaves to the Spanish colonies, between the years 1543 and 1834. In British history, it usually refers to the contract between Spain and Great Britain created in 1713 that dealt with the supply of African slaves for the Spanish territories in the Americas. The British government passed its rights to the South Sea Company."
Great Britain/the UK were beaten only by Portugal in numbers shipped Africa -> the Americas, so let's slightly modify our rapture at the thought that after several centuries of effectively *being* the slave trade, it had a rethink.
On topic, a good piece by Alastair. I would have thought a transitional deal on the basis of something like the status quo would be achievable. It does depend on how hard-ball the EU wants to play on the divorce settlement though. I doubt whether a number for the total bill can be agreed before the final settlement is sorted out. It may be that one way to break the deadlock is to agree payments for the transition period and for a No Deal Brexit initially, and to postpone talks on other payments subject to the success of the trade deal. Likewise, getting agreement of citizens' rights shouldn't be impossible.
The real problem is the Irish border. If either side doesn't want to think outside the current framework, it's irresoluble. There must be a hard border if the rules on the Single Market are to be enforced and the UK is out - as the the government has said it wants to be. On the other hand, the EU wants to maintain the current open border. Unless some fundamental shift takes place on one of those three points (membership of the SM, application of the rules, or the acceptability of a hard border), the circle can't be squared.
As Alastair says, however, Barnier's hands are tied by the Council, and the Council has a lot of internal politics to distract it from revising Barnier's guidance.
I think the EU's current position is that the whole of the island of Ireland must remain within the customs union, with only the mainland of GB outside of it.
Obviously, this poses problems for the DUP (and for NI) - how does the UK strike trade deals that don't apply to some of its territory, where they are made by another state?
It can't. Attempting to force the division of a sovereign country is unacceptable. It would undoubtedly be a red line for the DUP but I suspect it probably would be for the Tories as well. Requiring a hard border between Belfast and Stranraer, with customs and passport checks, would, for practical purposes, turn N Ireland into a foreign country to Britain.
Can EIRE agree to enforce UK customs policy at its ports and airports? Can the border stay open but customs checks and controls done totally electronically, with spot-checks and regular check-ups on warehouses and depots in both EIRE and NI? Can immigration be policed via employment rules and housing rules in NI, with extra checks on those transiting to the mainland?
These are the sort of discussions one would (hope) are taking place.
Eire cannot agree anything. Any physical border between the EU and a third country must be policed according to EU rules and regulations, if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU.
Great word. As I have said before the key to successful negotiation is finding the person who can say yes. It was assumed that this would be Angela. As Alastair points out this assumption may no longer be correct. If anyone thinks that this is a good thing for the UK they have misunderstood the situation.
Mr. Eagles, I've started re-reading Dodge's Caesar bio. Thought you might like this: "Circumstances made Pompey, Caesar made circumstances."
Currently enjoying the historian damning Pompey with faint praise.
As an aside, the divisions in the country mean resolution isn't about one side winning (or one side hoping the country fails so they get proved right) but bridging that gap in a way that has the support of a plurality or majority.
... if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU. ...
Well, quite.
So, the UK either finds a solution or it rips up the Good Friday Agreement. Should that happen, the international consequences will be significant and damaging - let alone the trouble it might cause in Northern Ireland itself. Good luck getting any US administration to talk trade, for a start.
On topic, a good piece by Alastair. As Alastair says, however, Barnier's hands are tied by the Council, and the Council has a lot of internal politics to distract it from revising Barnier's guidance.
I think the EU's current position is that the whole of the island of Ireland must remain within the customs union, with only the mainland of GB outside of it.
Obviously, this poses problems for the DUP (and for NI) - how does the UK strike trade deals that don't apply to some of its territory, where they are made by another state?
It can't. Attempting to force the division of a sovereign country is unacceptable. It would undoubtedly be a red line for the DUP but I suspect it probably would be for the Tories as well. Requiring a hard border between Belfast and Stranraer, with customs and passport checks, would, for practical purposes, turn N Ireland into a foreign country to Britain.
Can EIRE agree to enforce UK customs policy at its ports and airports? Can the border stay open but customs checks and controls done totally electronically, with spot-checks and regular check-ups on warehouses and depots in both EIRE and NI? Can immigration be policed via employment rules and housing rules in NI, with extra checks on those transiting to the mainland?
These are the sort of discussions one would (hope) are taking place.
Eire cannot agree anything. Any physical border between the EU and a third country must be policed according to EU rules and regulations, if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU.
Congrats. You're about 3 hours late to this debate.
richard_conway: Breaking: ECB - "Ben Stokes and Alex Hales will not be considered for selection for England international matches until further notice. Each remains on full pay pending further ECB investigation and the on going Police investigation..."
I do find it strange that they are trying to stand by the EU position but trade with UK is apparently 1.5 billion a week. If we put tariffs on Ireland what next for them.
richard_conway: Breaking: ECB - "Ben Stokes and Alex Hales will not be considered for selection for England international matches until further notice. Each remains on full pay pending further ECB investigation and the on going Police investigation..."
... if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU. ...
Well, quite.
So, the UK either finds a solution or it rips up the Good Friday Agreement. Should that happen, the international consequences will be significant and damaging - let alone the trouble it might cause in Northern Ireland itself. Good luck getting any US administration to talk trade, for a start.
Tell me, with your "ray of sunshine" worldview, how do your family put up with you? Do they resignedly sigh to themselves when they hear you walk in the door?
I actually unfollowed you on Twitter, even though I actually quite like you, because it your feed was so depressing it made me want to kill myself.
... if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU. ...
Well, quite.
So, the UK either finds a solution or it rips up the Good Friday Agreement. Should that happen, the international consequences will be significant and damaging - let alone the trouble it might cause in Northern Ireland itself. Good luck getting any US administration to talk trade, for a start.
The UK has a solution, at least in outline. At present, our EU friends don't want to talk about it, which is a problem, certainly, especially for Eire.
If today's tory client vote were 50 years younger, they'd be Corbynistas too, no?
I can't see a convincing reason why they wouldn't be.
The tories need to find a good reason for the kids to vote for them.
Quick.
But he Tories didn't lose their majority because of the kids, may managed to piss off a large proportion of 30-40 year The corbyn youth surge was only worth 3% to labour vote, it was may not winning the middle aged massively boosted labours vote share.
On topic, a good piece by Alastair. As Alastair says, however, Barnier's hands are tied by the Council, and the Council has a lot of internal politics to distract it from revising Barnier's guidance.
I think the EU's current position is that the whole of the island of Ireland must remain within the customs union, with only the mainland of GB outside of it.
Obviously, this poses problems for the DUP (and for NI) - how does the UK strike trade deals that don't apply to some of its territory, where they are made by another state?
It can't. Attempting to force the division of a sovereign country is unacceptable. It would undoubtedly be a red line for the DUP but I suspect it probably would be for the Tories as well. Requiring a hard border between Belfast and Stranraer, with customs and passport checks, would, for practical purposes, turn N Ireland into a foreign country to Britain.
Can EIRE agree to enforce UK customs policy at its ports and airports? Can the border stay open but customs checks and controls done totally electronically, with spot-checks and regular check-ups on warehouses and depots in both EIRE and NI? Can immigration be policed via employment rules and housing rules in NI, with extra checks on those transiting to the mainland?
These are the sort of discussions one would (hope) are taking place.
Eire cannot agree anything. Any physical border between the EU and a third country must be policed according to EU rules and regulations, if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU.
Congrats. You're about 3 hours late to this debate.
I was responding to your post, which seemed to assume Eire had the ability to agree anything. I have not seen any later posts from you recognising that is not the case. Apologies if I missed them.
... if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU. ...
Well, quite.
So, the UK either finds a solution or it rips up the Good Friday Agreement. Should that happen, the international consequences will be significant and damaging - let alone the trouble it might cause in Northern Ireland itself. Good luck getting any US administration to talk trade, for a start.
Tell me, with your "ray of sunshine" worldview, how do your family put up with you? Do they resignedly sigh to themselves when they hear you walk in the door?
I actually unfollowed you on Twitter, even though I actually quite like you, because it your feed was so depressing it made me want to kill myself.
Life is short. Cheer the f*ck up.
You're being unfair. Southam is a sensible chap who in normal circumstances would be a Labour supporter. No wonder he is depressed.
... if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU. ...
Well, quite.
So, the UK either finds a solution or it rips up the Good Friday Agreement. Should that happen, the international consequences will be significant and damaging - let alone the trouble it might cause in Northern Ireland itself. Good luck getting any US administration to talk trade, for a start.
The UK has a solution, at least in outline. At present, our EU friends don't want to talk about it, which is a problem, certainly, especially for Eire.
What is the suggested solution? Presumably not the one Davis described as blue sky thinking.
If today's tory client vote were 50 years younger, they'd be Corbynistas too, no?
I can't see a convincing reason why they wouldn't be.
The tories need to find a good reason for the kids to vote for them.
Quick.
But he Tories didn't lose their majority because of the kids, may managed to piss off a large proportion of 30-40 year The corbyn youth surge was only worth 3% to labour vote, it was may not winning the middle aged massively boosted labours vote share.
May presided over the retoxification of the Tory Party. This meant more to older supporters than younger ones (who had only really known them from 2010 and before that as opposition so who cares).
I for one am furious that my party is seen as nasty again (and was shouted at, by former Cons voters on the doorstep, because of it)
I do find it strange that they are trying to stand by the EU position but trade with UK is apparently 1.5 billion a week. If we put tariffs on Ireland what next for them.
A backlash from UK consumers faced with the higher prices that tariffs would cause?
On topic, a good piece by Alastair. As Alastair says, however, Barnier's hands are tied by the Council, and the Council has a lot of internal politics to distract it from revising Barnier's guidance.
I think the EU's current position is that the whole of the island of Ireland must remain within the customs union, with only the mainland of GB outside of it.
Obviously, this poses problems for the DUP (and for NI) - how does the UK strike trade deals that don't apply to some of its territory, where they are made by another state?
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Can EIRE agree to enforce UK customs policy at its ports and airports? Can the border stay open but customs checks and controls done totally electronically, with spot-checks and regular check-ups on warehouses and depots in both EIRE and NI? Can immigration be policed via employment rules and housing rules in NI, with extra checks on those transiting to the mainland?
These are the sort of discussions one would (hope) are taking place.
Eire cannot agree anything. Any physical border between the EU and a third country must be policed according to EU rules and regulations, if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU.
Congrats. You're about 3 hours late to this debate.
I was responding to your post, which seemed to assume Eire had the ability to agree anything. I have not seen any later posts from you recognising that is not the case. Apologies if I missed them.
It will have to comply with its obligations under the EU treaties, that doesn't mean there aren't options to meet that flexibly.
If the EU is worried about a "back route" into the single market in the rest of the EU then there's an obvious stopping point in EIRE - which is also an island - its ports and airports.
... if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU. ...
Well, quite.
So, the UK either finds a solution or it rips up the Good Friday Agreement. Should that happen, the international consequences will be significant and damaging - let alone the trouble it might cause in Northern Ireland itself. Good luck getting any US administration to talk trade, for a start.
Tell me, with your "ray of sunshine" worldview, how do your family put up with you? Do they resignedly sigh to themselves when they hear you walk in the door?
I actually unfollowed you on Twitter, even though I actually quite like you, because it your feed was so depressing it made me want to kill myself.
Life is short. Cheer the f*ck up.
Of course, cheering up will solve the Irish border question :-D
... if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU. ...
Well, quite.
So, the UK either finds a solution or it rips up the Good Friday Agreement. Should that happen, the international consequences will be significant and damaging - let alone the trouble it might cause in Northern Ireland itself. Good luck getting any US administration to talk trade, for a start.
Tell me, with your "ray of sunshine" worldview, how do your family put up with you? Do they resignedly sigh to themselves when they hear you walk in the door?
I actually unfollowed you on Twitter, even though I actually quite like you, because it your feed was so depressing it made me want to kill myself.
Life is short. Cheer the f*ck up.
You're being unfair. Southam is a sensible chap who in normal circumstances would be a Labour supporter. No wonder he is depressed.
The only posts I've seen of his when he genuinely gets passionate and optimistic is when he talks about his love for this country, and the vision he has for how it could be better.
If today's tory client vote were 50 years younger, they'd be Corbynistas too, no?
I can't see a convincing reason why they wouldn't be.
The tories need to find a good reason for the kids to vote for them.
Quick.
But he Tories didn't lose their majority because of the kids, may managed to piss off a large proportion of 30-40 year The corbyn youth surge was only worth 3% to labour vote, it was may not winning the middle aged massively boosted labours vote share.
May presided over the retoxification of the Tory Party. This meant more to older supporters than younger ones (who had only really known them from 2010 and before that as opposition so who cares).
I for one am furious that my party is seen as nasty again (and was shouted at, by former Cons voters on the doorstep, because of it)
richard_conway: Breaking: ECB - "Ben Stokes and Alex Hales will not be considered for selection for England international matches until further notice. Each remains on full pay pending further ECB investigation and the on going Police investigation..."
Even before the video you would have thought that would have been the default position as you have a player under police investigation and I would hope stokes said yes I whacked somebody.
On topic, a good piece by Alastair. As Alastair says, however, Barnier's hands are tied by the Council, and the Council has a lot of internal politics to distract it from revising Barnier's guidance.
I think the EU's current position is that the whole of the island of Ireland must remain within the customs union, with only the mainland of GB outside of it.
Obviously, this poses problems for the DUP (and for NI) - how does the UK strike trade deals that don't apply to some of its territory, where they are made by another state?
.
Can EIRE agree to enforce UK customs policy at its ports and airports? Can the border stay open but customs checks and controls done totally electronically, with spot-checks and regular check-ups on warehouses and depots in both EIRE and NI? Can immigration be policed via employment rules and housing rules in NI, with extra checks on those transiting to the mainland?
These are the sort of discussions one would (hope) are taking place.
Eire cannot agree anything. Any physical border between the EU and a third country must be policed according to EU rules and regulations, if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU.
Congrats. You're about 3 hours late to this debate.
I was responding to your post, which seemed to assume Eire had the ability to agree anything. I have not seen any later posts from you recognising that is not the case. Apologies if I missed them.
It will have to comply with its obligations under the EU treaties, that doesn't mean there aren't options to meet that flexibly.
If the EU is worried about a "back route" into the single market in the rest of the EU then there's an obvious stopping point in EIRE - which is also an island - its ports and airports.
So the solution is effectively for Ireland to leave the Customs Union?
... if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU. ...
Well, quite.
So, the UK either finds a solution or it rips up the Good Friday Agreement. Should that happen, the international consequences will be significant and damaging - let alone the trouble it might cause in Northern Ireland itself. Good luck getting any US administration to talk trade, for a start.
Tell me, with your "ray of sunshine" worldview, how do your family put up with you? Do they resignedly sigh to themselves when they hear you walk in the door?
I actually unfollowed you on Twitter, even though I actually quite like you, because it your feed was so depressing it made me want to kill myself.
Life is short. Cheer the f*ck up.
Of course, cheering up will solve the Irish border question :-D
That has certainly cheered me up!
If I went for a few beers with you, would I walk out alive? Or would I be found the next day locked in one of the cubicles, with blood spattered all over the inside next to a rusty razor?
What is the suggested solution? Presumably not the one Davis described as blue sky thinking.
It starts with an ongoing relationship of mutual recognition of standards, and of zero tariffs, plus an agreement on free movement of goods across the border for local traders, and self-certification for moving commercial goods. It would be quite similar to the Swiss-EU border, where in practice there are no customs checks (except that the Swiss are very keen to check that motorists have paid for their Swiss road tax discs).
If today's tory client vote were 50 years younger, they'd be Corbynistas too, no?
I can't see a convincing reason why they wouldn't be.
The tories need to find a good reason for the kids to vote for them.
Quick.
I would accept that Osborne in particular was stupid not to increase the National Living Wage to the 21 plus group. Also some moderation on student fees, the interest payments and thresholds is urgently needed, but all within a plausible context of the Country's finance.
Corbyn is so hard left he would crash the economy within months - indeed his policies are the farthest left I can remember and the question that has to be asked - is the UK ready for a Bernie Saunders type regime or will it, as reluctantly as it may look at present,seek the sound finance that will be on offer from the conservatives
I would expect at the next election Corbyn, if he is still leader, will face considerably more scrutiny with attacks not only from the conservatives but the rest of the opposition including the SNP who are nowhere near as far to the left as he is.
Indeed it is possible by the next election the UK may well have much less control over tax rates as they are devolved, which ironically could put each devolved power in conflict with the UK government itself
If today's tory client vote were 50 years younger, they'd be Corbynistas too, no?
I can't see a convincing reason why they wouldn't be.
The tories need to find a good reason for the kids to vote for them.
Quick.
But he Tories didn't lose their majority because of the kids, may managed to piss off a large proportion of 30-40 year The corbyn youth surge was only worth 3% to labour vote, it was may not winning the middle aged massively boosted labours vote share.
May presided over the retoxification of the Tory Party. This meant more to older supporters than younger ones (who had only really known them from 2010 and before that as opposition so who cares).
I for one am furious that my party is seen as nasty again (and was shouted at, by former Cons voters on the doorstep, because of it)
... if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU. ...
Well, quite.
So, the UK either finds a solution or it rips up the Good Friday Agreement. Should that happen, the international consequences will be significant and damaging - let alone the trouble it might cause in Northern Ireland itself. Good luck getting any US administration to talk trade, for a start.
Tell me, with your "ray of sunshine" worldview, how do your family put up with you? Do they resignedly sigh to themselves when they hear you walk in the door?
I actually unfollowed you on Twitter, even though I actually quite like you, because it your feed was so depressing it made me want to kill myself.
Life is short. Cheer the f*ck up.
Of course, cheering up will solve the Irish border question :-D
That has certainly cheered me up!
If I went for a few beers with you, would I walk out alive? Or would I be found the next day locked in one of the cubicles, with blood spattered all over the inside next to a rusty razor?
You would walk out a new man - slaughtered, enlightened, joyful and ready to start your life anew.
On topic, a good piece by Alastair. As Alastair says, however, Barnier's hands are tied by the Council, and the Council has a lot of internal politics to distract it from revising Barnier's guidance.
I think ?
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Can EIRE agree to enforce UK customs policy at its ports and airports? Can the border stay open but customs checks and controls done totally electronically, with spot-checks and regular check-ups on warehouses and depots in both EIRE and NI? Can immigration be policed via employment rules and housing rules in NI, with extra checks on those transiting to the mainland?
These are the sort of discussions one would (hope) are taking place.
Eire cannot agree anything. Any physical border between the EU and a third country must be policed according to EU rules and regulations, if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU.
Congrats. You're about 3 hours late to this debate.
I was responding to your post, which seemed to assume Eire had the ability to agree anything. I have not seen any later posts from you recognising that is not the case. Apologies if I missed them.
It will have to comply with its obligations under the EU treaties, that doesn't mean there aren't options to meet that flexibly.
If the EU is worried about a "back route" into the single market in the rest of the EU then there's an obvious stopping point in EIRE - which is also an island - its ports and airports.
So the solution is effectively for Ireland to leave the Customs Union?
The EU think it's for NI to join (or stay within) it.
... if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU. ...
Well, quite.
So, the UK either finds a solution or it rips up the Good Friday Agreement. Should that happen, the international consequences will be significant and damaging - let alone the trouble it might cause in Northern Ireland itself. Good luck getting any US administration to talk trade, for a start.
Tell me, with your "ray of sunshine" worldview, how do your family put up with you? Do they resignedly sigh to themselves when they hear you walk in the door?
I actually unfollowed you on Twitter, even though I actually quite like you, because it your feed was so depressing it made me want to kill myself.
Life is short. Cheer the f*ck up.
Of course, cheering up will solve the Irish border question :-D
That has certainly cheered me up!
If I went for a few beers with you, would I walk out alive? Or would I be found the next day locked in one of the cubicles, with blood spattered all over the inside next to a rusty razor?
You would walk out a new man - slaughtered, enlightened, joyful and ready to start your life anew.
Have you tried the new update? It came out last night.
Never install version n.0 of anything
Let's give Empire 2.0 a wide berth then.
Hear hear. Let's face it, the 1.x series was pretty shit for everyone but the elite.
The Empire was awesome for me, without it, I wouldn't be here.
It was also great for abolishing the slave trade.
LOL about the slave trade
"The Asiento was the permission given by the Spanish government to other countries to sell slaves to the Spanish colonies, between the years 1543 and 1834. In British history, it usually refers to the contract between Spain and Great Britain created in 1713 that dealt with the supply of African slaves for the Spanish territories in the Americas. The British government passed its rights to the South Sea Company."
Great Britain/the UK were beaten only by Portugal in numbers shipped Africa -> the Americas, so let's slightly modify our rapture at the thought that after several centuries of effectively *being* the slave trade, it had a rethink.
None of which detracts from TSE's comments given the British Empire abolished the slave trade in 1807 and outlawed slavery in 1833. They then pushed other countries to abandon the trade and enforced this through force of arms. Whatever they had done in the past the UK certainly made up for it in the first half of the 19th century.
If today's tory client vote were 50 years younger, they'd be Corbynistas too, no?
I can't see a convincing reason why they wouldn't be.
The tories need to find a good reason for the kids to vote for them.
Quick.
But he Tories didn't lose their majority because of the kids, may managed to piss off a large proportion of 30-40 year The corbyn youth surge was only worth 3% to labour vote, it was may not winning the middle aged massively boosted labours vote share.
May presided over the retoxification of the Tory Party. This meant more to older supporters than younger ones (who had only really known them from 2010 and before that as opposition so who cares).
I for one am furious that my party is seen as nasty again (and was shouted at, by former Cons voters on the doorstep, because of it)
If today's tory client vote were 50 years younger, they'd be Corbynistas too, no?
I can't see a convincing reason why they wouldn't be.
The tories need to find a good reason for the kids to vote for them.
Quick.
But he Tories didn't lose their majority because of the kids, may managed to piss off a large proportion of 30-40 year The corbyn youth surge was only worth 3% to labour vote, it was may not winning the middle aged massively boosted labours vote share.
May presided over the retoxification of the Tory Party. This meant more to older supporters than younger ones (who had only really known them from 2010 and before that as opposition so who cares).
I for one am furious that my party is seen as nasty again (and was shouted at, by former Cons voters on the doorstep, because of it)
I wasn't.
You wasn't what?
I wasn't shouted at by any Con voter or former Con voter. I got a lot of frustration "Theresa May is f*cking up the campaign", and some waverers "we're tired of austerity, and we want more cash for the NHS". The EU wasn't a driver.
... if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU. ...
Well, quite.
So, the UK either finds a solution or it rips up the Good Friday Agreement. Should that happen, the international consequences will be significant and damaging - let alone the trouble it might cause in Northern Ireland itself. Good luck getting any US administration to talk trade, for a start.
Tell me, with your "ray of sunshine" worldview, how do your family put up with you? Do they resignedly sigh to themselves when they hear you walk in the door?
I actually unfollowed you on Twitter, even though I actually quite like you, because it your feed was so depressing it made me want to kill myself.
Life is short. Cheer the f*ck up.
You're being unfair. Southam is a sensible chap who in normal circumstances would be a Labour supporter. No wonder he is depressed.
I have been on the losing side in every political battle I have deemed of importance since 2005. It wears you down. The referendum has got to me particularly, not so much because of the result but because it turns out no-one who led the Leave campaign had the remotest idea what they were taking us into. I find that totally unforgiveable and really can't cheer up about it.
richard_conway: Breaking: ECB - "Ben Stokes and Alex Hales will not be considered for selection for England international matches until further notice. Each remains on full pay pending further ECB investigation and the on going Police investigation..."
Even before the video you would have thought that would have been the default position as you have a player under police investigation and I would hope stokes said yes I whacked somebody.
Surprised Hales is included given he apparently did nothing wrong and is not in trouble with the police .
richard_conway: Breaking: ECB - "Ben Stokes and Alex Hales will not be considered for selection for England international matches until further notice. Each remains on full pay pending further ECB investigation and the on going Police investigation..."
Even before the video you would have thought that would have been the default position as you have a player under police investigation and I would hope stokes said yes I whacked somebody.
Surprised Hales is included given he apparently did nothing wrong and is not in trouble with the police .
One of stokes mates tried to kick the guy on the floors head off. I don't know if that was hales or the other guy with them. In a way it was worse than stokes as it was a cowardly attack, where as you would have to be a moron not to realise if you stood in front of stokes the way he was going that you were going to get lumped.
If today's tory client vote were 50 years younger, they'd be Corbynistas too, no?
I can't see a convincing reason why they wouldn't be.
The tories need to find a good reason for the kids to vote for them.
Quick.
But he Tories didn't lose their majority because of the kids, may managed to piss off a large proportion of 30-40 year The corbyn youth surge was only worth 3% to labour vote, it was may not winning the middle aged massively boosted labours vote share.
May presided over the retoxification of the Tory Party. This meant more to older supporters than younger ones (who had only really known them from 2010 and before that as opposition so who cares).
I for one am furious that my party is seen as nasty again (and was shouted at, by former Cons voters on the doorstep, because of it)
I wasn't.
Me neither. But then, our majority went up by 10,000.....
Anyone who's moronic enough to think Britain was the slave trade needs to look up the Barbary States.
Those pirates cruised off Cornwall and the South-West in the late 17th Century looking for, and successfully kidnapped, English children to be sold as slaves in North African markets.
I demand reparations from Tripoli for Penzance.
Britain did a lot of it from c.1700-1807 because that was the time when we industrialised, and "went global" with our Navy (after walloping the French a few times) in a climate in which it was seen as the norm.
We soon learnt our mistake, and then did our level best to eradicate it.
I do find it strange that they are trying to stand by the EU position but trade with UK is apparently 1.5 billion a week. If we put tariffs on Ireland what next for them.
A backlash from UK consumers faced with the higher prices that tariffs would cause?
The question is for Ireland - it would paralyze them
If today's tory client vote were 50 years younger, they'd be Corbynistas too, no?
I can't see a convincing reason why they wouldn't be.
The tories need to find a good reason for the kids to vote for them.
Quick.
But he Tories didn't lose their majority because of the kids, may managed to piss off a large proportion of 30-40 year The corbyn youth surge was only worth 3% to labour vote, it was may not winning the middle aged massively boosted labours vote share.
May presided over the retoxification of the Tory Party. This meant more to older supporters than younger ones (who had only really known them from 2010 and before that as opposition so who cares).
I for one am furious that my party is seen as nasty again (and was shouted at, by former Cons voters on the doorstep, because of it)
I wasn't.
You wasn't what?
I wasn't shouted at by any Con voter or former Con voter. I got a lot of frustration "Theresa May is f*cking up the campaign", and some waverers "we're tired of austerity, and we want more cash for the NHS". The EU wasn't a driver.
But, I was campaigning in Southampton Test.
Interesting. I had thought that the GE was fought through the Brexit prism but you say that they didn't give a stuff. Fair enough.
... if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU. ...
Well, quite.
So, the UK either finds a solution or it rips up the Good Friday Agreement. Should that happen, the international consequences will be significant and damaging - let alone the trouble it might cause in Northern Ireland itself. Good luck getting any US administration to talk trade, for a start.
Tell me, with your "ray of sunshine" worldview, how do your family put up with you? Do they resignedly sigh to themselves when they hear you walk in the door?
I actually unfollowed you on Twitter, even though I actually quite like you, because it your feed was so depressing it made me want to kill myself.
Life is short. Cheer the f*ck up.
You're being unfair. Southam is a sensible chap who in normal circumstances would be a Labour supporter. No wonder he is depressed.
I have been on the losing side in every political battle I have deemed of importance since 2005. It wears you down. The referendum has got to me particularly, not so much because of the result but because it turns out no-one who led the Leave campaign had the remotest idea what they were taking us into. I find that totally unforgiveable and really can't cheer up about it.
You can take some comfort from the near-certainty that Jezza will win the next GE by a landslide and he knows exactly where he's taking us. So for you personally that is one (someone who knows where they are taking us) out of two (someone who knows where they are taking us, someone you support).
If today's tory client vote were 50 years younger, they'd be Corbynistas too, no?
I can't see a convincing reason why they wouldn't be.
The tories need to find a good reason for the kids to vote for them.
Quick.
But he Tories didn't lose their majority because of the kids, may managed to piss off a large proportion of 30-40 year The corbyn youth surge was only worth 3% to labour vote, it was may not winning the middle aged massively boosted labours vote share.
May presided over the retoxification of the Tory Party. This meant more to older supporters than younger ones (who had only really known them from 2010 and before that as opposition so who cares).
I for one am furious that my party is seen as nasty again (and was shouted at, by former Cons voters on the doorstep, because of it)
I wasn't.
You wasn't what?
I wasn't shouted at by any Con voter or former Con voter. I got a lot of frustration "Theresa May is f*cking up the campaign", and some waverers "we're tired of austerity, and we want more cash for the NHS". The EU wasn't a driver.
But, I was campaigning in Southampton Test.
Interesting. I had thought that the GE was fought through the Brexit prism but you say that they didn't give a stuff. Fair enough.
... if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU. ...
Well, quite.
So, the UK either finds a solution or it rips up the Good Friday Agreement. Should that happen, the international consequences will be significant and damaging - let alone the trouble it might cause in Northern Ireland itself. Good luck getting any US administration to talk trade, for a start.
Tell me, with your "ray of sunshine" worldview, how do your family put up with you? Do they resignedly sigh to themselves when they hear you walk in the door?
I actually unfollowed you on Twitter, even though I actually quite like you, because it your feed was so depressing it made me want to kill myself.
Life is short. Cheer the f*ck up.
Of course, cheering up will solve the Irish border question :-D
That has certainly cheered me up!
If I went for a few beers with you, would I walk out alive? Or would I be found the next day locked in one of the cubicles, with blood spattered all over the inside next to a rusty razor?
You would walk out a new man - slaughtered, enlightened, joyful and ready to start your life anew.
Well, that's a relief!
Sign me up!!
There have been many PB drinks get-togethers. I aspire to something finer. A PB lunch, old school stylee. Pub, restaurant, pub and collapse. Lunchtime, through the afternoon and into evening. Freeflow alcohol, the full works food-wise (oysters through to cheese), cigars and hard liquor to finish, with final beers for the hard core. Debate, disagreement, anecdote, laughs, but always the right side of civilised. Champions only.
I do find it strange that they are trying to stand by the EU position but trade with UK is apparently 1.5 billion a week. If we put tariffs on Ireland what next for them.
By contrast, if there is no deal, because of insufficient progress on the border issue, the point of principle will not have been conceded. Yes, there will still be a border, but there will be a border anyway under a bad deal. And the UK will know that, if it ever wants a trade deal with the largest market in the world, and its nearest neighbour, it will have to erase that border.
... if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU. ...
Well, quite.
So, the UK either finds a solution or it rips up the Good Friday Agreement. Should that happen, the international consequences will be significant and damaging - let alone the trouble it might cause in Northern Ireland itself. Good luck getting any US administration to talk trade, for a start.
Tell me, with your "ray of sunshine" worldview, how do your family put up with you? Do they resignedly sigh to themselves when they hear you walk in the door?
I actually unfollowed you on Twitter, even though I actually quite like you, because it your feed was so depressing it made me want to kill myself.
Life is short. Cheer the f*ck up.
I'm quite optimistic on Brexit. I do expect profound mediocrity rather outright catastrophe. We just need to get real first.
... if there is no specific agreement between that third country and the EU. ...
Well, quite.
So, the UK either finds a solution or it rips up the Good Friday Agreement. Should that happen, the international consequences will be significant and damaging - let alone the trouble it might cause in Northern Ireland itself. Good luck getting any US administration to talk trade, for a start.
Tell me, with your "ray of sunshine" worldview, how do your family put up with you? Do they resignedly sigh to themselves when they hear you walk in the door?
I actually unfollowed you on Twitter, even though I actually quite like you, because it your feed was so depressing it made me want to kill myself.
Life is short. Cheer the f*ck up.
Of course, cheering up will solve the Irish border question :-D
That has certainly cheered me up!
If I went for a few beers with you, would I walk out alive? Or would I be found the next day locked in one of the cubicles, with blood spattered all over the inside next to a rusty razor?
You would walk out a new man - slaughtered, enlightened, joyful and ready to start your life anew.
Well, that's a relief!
Sign me up!!
There have been many PB drinks get-togethers. I aspire to something finer. A PB lunch, old school stylee. Pub, restaurant, pub and collapse. Lunchtime, through the afternoon and into evening. Freeflow alcohol, the full works food-wise (oysters through to cheese), cigars and hard liquor to finish, with final beers for the hard core. Debate, disagreement, anecdote, laughs, but always the right side of civilised. Champions only.
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Theresa May today sounded far more Marxist than John McDonnell: '40 years ago Marx pronounced, in principle, in favor of Free Trade as the more progressive plan'. (https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/). Very different reasoning of course. It's a shame Lawrence & Wishart have had Marx's speech on Free Trade taken off the internet.
'Free market' is a total innuendo though, as if in our recent relatively 'free market' decades the political conversation hasn't been almost entirely dominated by economic issues. A system created by centuries of intensive state intervention, maintained by intensive state intervention, pretending to be natural law.
'The different momenta of primitive accumulation distribute themselves now, more or less in chronological order, particularly over Spain, Portugal, Holland, France, and England. In England at the end of the 17th century, they arrive at a systematical combination, embracing the colonies, the national debt, the modern mode of taxation, and the protectionist system. These methods depend in part on brute force, e.g., the colonial system. But, they all employ the power of the State, the concentrated and organised force of society, to hasten, hot-house fashion, the process of transformation of the feudal mode of production into the capitalist mode, and to shorten the transition. Force is the midwife of every old society pregnant with a new one. It is itself an economic power ...
Tantae molis erat, to establish the “eternal laws of Nature” of the capitalist mode of production, to complete the process of separation between labourers and conditions of labour, to transform, at one pole, the social means of production and subsistence into capital, at the opposite pole, the mass of the population into wage labourers, into “free labouring poor,” that artificial product of modern society.'
Labour's current plan seems to be a return to its post-1917 social programme, when their manifesto had a pledge to 'Avert Revolution'. Reform now or wait until disaster forces a more drastic change was the idea then.
Dixiedean:
I see you have put considerable thought into this. Rather more than the trite outpourings of our PM.
Indeed Marx was a free trader, and believed in balanced budgets.
Maybe the Tory Party needs to split into The Conservative and Unionist (Marxist) Party, and the Conservative and Unionist (Official) Party.
http://www.edballs.co.uk/blog/2017/09/bank-of-england-independence-20-years-on/?ncid=newsletter-ukThe Waugh Zone 280917
To his great credit, he seems to accept that they screwed up on banking supervision:
Famously the paragraph on removing banking regulation was removed from this letter and given to the Governor in a separate letter that weekend. But it is clear from my draft that the Deputy Governor (Financial Regulation) was intended to play a vital role in macro-financial stability within the Bank, with ‘conduct’ regulation moved to a separate institution. As is well known, some senior figures at both the Treasury and the Bank wanted a more decisive break. And the final compromise evolved progressively, and problematically, over the following decade as the Bank’s engagement in financial stability steadily eroded.
* Although that's the name normally used, it's really a misnomer. It wasn't about BoE independence, but handing responsibility for interest-rate changes to an independent committee.
https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/913142224812232710
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/28/michael-gove-seeking-way-to-end-bonkers-felling-of-sheffield-trees
Clearly time to reform the voting system, so that we no longer have these disastrous people getting elected.
Steve Earle was right, the iphone is the devil's right hand.
#1 Of course the rEU will be badly damaged by Brexit just the UK will be. It's a global disaster. The Chinese and the Russians must be laughing. No sane person denies Brexit damages the EU. It's one f many reasons why it's such a stupid idea.
#2 I obviously voted in a different referendum to most posted. Ours was about immigration,not sharing our money, the psychology of control and immigration. I missed the one where Sunderland were outraged over Dave's expectations management re Bloomberg and legal status of EUCO decisions Vs Treaty Change. Let's be clear. The brighter leavers can see where this train wreck is heading and are reinforcing their back stories that they were forced to vote leave.
#3 Richard Nabavi is excellent in the strength of Cameron's deal. It was a Gold Plated example of the British genius in it's EU relationships. It reinforced a unique set of opt outs while maintaining full membership rights all by leveraging our size and budget contributions. We've no influence in Europe apparently but somehow negotiated ourselves the best deal of the 28. And the deal drive a coach and horses through at least three previous EU shibboleths. Not a day passes when I don't marvel we gave it all up to be a third party to our continental decision makers. We've handed a manifest destiny to the Germans. 500 years of Foriegn policy has been reversed in a stroke.
#4 That the last plank of the Leave prospectus to collapse like an Antarctic ice sheet is an intra anglosphere trade war is utterly hilarious as well as tragic.
It’s that mankind’s laws remain shrouded in a cloak of myst’ry
For naught delights the gods like debunking human hubris
And predictions made by Marx end up being next to uselis
https://order-order.com/2017/09/28/hard-left-threats-force-tories-to-cancel-conference-events/
It was also great for abolishing the slave trade.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/09/28/revealed-premier-league-fanbase-favour-brexitand-fans-regret/
There would very probably have been challenges equal to those of fascism and communism, or the same ones, but no democratic coalition big enough to defeat them.
The United Nations would not have been founded.
English would not be the global language, probably Spanish or French instead, or a mixture, and there would also have been far fewer open and free markets, worldwide.
The British Empire is the parent that gave birth to a free modern world. And it might be definitively permanent had it done a more thorough job in China, rather than just flirting
with Hong Kong and Singapore.
Thank goodness it did what it did.
"The Asiento was the permission given by the Spanish government to other countries to sell slaves to the Spanish colonies, between the years 1543 and 1834.
In British history, it usually refers to the contract between Spain and Great Britain created in 1713 that dealt with the supply of African slaves for the Spanish territories in the Americas. The British government passed its rights to the South Sea Company."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiento
Great Britain/the UK were beaten only by Portugal in numbers shipped Africa -> the Americas, so let's slightly modify our rapture at the thought that after several centuries of effectively *being* the slave trade, it had a rethink.
Mr. Eagles, I've started re-reading Dodge's Caesar bio. Thought you might like this:
"Circumstances made Pompey, Caesar made circumstances."
Currently enjoying the historian damning Pompey with faint praise.
As an aside, the divisions in the country mean resolution isn't about one side winning (or one side hoping the country fails so they get proved right) but bridging that gap in a way that has the support of a plurality or majority.
ECB - "Ben Stokes and Alex Hales will not be considered for selection for England international matches until further notice.
Each remains on full pay pending further ECB investigation and the on going Police investigation..."
If today's tory client vote were 50 years younger, they'd be Corbynistas too, no?
I can't see a convincing reason why they wouldn't be.
The tories need to find a good reason for the kids to vote for them.
Quick.
https://twitter.com/richard_conway/status/913406546675224576
https://twitter.com/lfpme/status/912318344648433664
I actually unfollowed you on Twitter, even though I actually quite like you, because it your feed was so depressing it made me want to kill myself.
Life is short. Cheer the f*ck up.
I for one am furious that my party is seen as nasty again (and was shouted at, by former Cons voters on the doorstep, because of it)
If the EU is worried about a "back route" into the single market in the rest of the EU then there's an obvious stopping point in EIRE - which is also an island - its ports and airports.
That has certainly cheered me up!
I'd really like to hear more of that.
Corbyn is so hard left he would crash the economy within months - indeed his policies are the farthest left I can remember and the question that has to be asked - is the UK ready for a Bernie Saunders type regime or will it, as reluctantly as it may look at present,seek the sound finance that will be on offer from the conservatives
I would expect at the next election Corbyn, if he is still leader, will face considerably more scrutiny with attacks not only from the conservatives but the rest of the opposition including the SNP who are nowhere near as far to the left as he is.
Indeed it is possible by the next election the UK may well have much less control over tax rates as they are devolved, which ironically could put each devolved power in conflict with the UK government itself
Obviously that doesn't wash.
Sign me up!!
Fill yer boots.
But, I was campaigning in Southampton Test.
Those pirates cruised off Cornwall and the South-West in the late 17th Century looking for, and successfully kidnapped, English children to be sold as slaves in North African markets.
I demand reparations from Tripoli for Penzance.
Britain did a lot of it from c.1700-1807 because that was the time when we industrialised, and "went global" with our Navy (after walloping the French a few times) in a climate in which it was seen as the norm.
We soon learnt our mistake, and then did our level best to eradicate it.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/sep/28/brexit-press-conference-davis-barnier-theresa-may-speech-may-hits-back-at-corbyn-saying-free-market-greatest-agent-of-human-progress-ever-created-politics-live
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By contrast, if there is no deal, because of insufficient progress on the border issue, the point of principle will not have been conceded. Yes, there will still be a border, but there will be a border anyway under a bad deal. And the UK will know that, if it ever wants a trade deal with the largest market in the world, and its nearest neighbour, it will have to erase that border.