Surely nobody can think she is not a Tory mouthpiece
I doubt she is. Your mistake arises because she is not blatently anti-Tory unlike most of the BBC news and current affairs journalists and editors. They in turn are a bit less anti-Tory than C4.
You mean Andrew Neil, Andrew Marr, Laura Kuensberg are not Tories
1. the headline for politico.com's reporting of the German election = "Angela's Ashes" 2. Wiener has been sentenced to 21 months prison time for the last of his sexting scandals.
Not quite the stiff jail sentence Wiener deserves. I was hoping he would do real hard time.
Can anyone help this bloke by explaining what these areas have in common:
' Birmingham has topped the UK's "crash for cash" postcode league - the second time in a year the city has featured in a table of hotspots for the crime.
In total, Birmingham has 10 postcodes on the list. Washwood Heath, Aston and Small Heath were the three worst postcodes for the crime in the UK.
In Bradford, Frizinghall and Manningham came joint fourth for the numbers of fraudulent claims, while in Manchester the M8 postcode, which includes Cheetham Hill, was ranked sixth.
A survey carried out by insurance company Aviva in 2016 said 25% of its 3,000 crash for cash claims last year were in Birmingham.
"We don't know the exact reason Birmingham features so heavily in these surveys," said Ben Fletcher, the director of the IFB, a not-for-profit organisation set up to detect fraud.
"Obviously, this is a nationwide problem and we have investigations that range from Kent to the North East, but large urban areas tend to be the focal points for these kind of crimes." '
Surely nobody can think she is not a Tory mouthpiece
I doubt she is. Your mistake arises because she is not blatently anti-Tory unlike most of the BBC news and current affairs journalists and editors. They in turn are a bit less anti-Tory than C4.
You mean Andrew Neil, Andrew Marr, Laura Kuensberg are not Tories
1. the headline for politico.com's reporting of the German election = "Angela's Ashes" 2. Wiener has been sentenced to 21 months prison time for the last of his sexting scandals.
Not quite the stiff jail sentence Wiener deserves. I was hoping he would do real hard time.
Can anyone help this bloke by explaining what these areas have in common:
' Birmingham has topped the UK's "crash for cash" postcode league - the second time in a year the city has featured in a table of hotspots for the crime.
In total, Birmingham has 10 postcodes on the list. Washwood Heath, Aston and Small Heath were the three worst postcodes for the crime in the UK.
In Bradford, Frizinghall and Manningham came joint fourth for the numbers of fraudulent claims, while in Manchester the M8 postcode, which includes Cheetham Hill, was ranked sixth.
A survey carried out by insurance company Aviva in 2016 said 25% of its 3,000 crash for cash claims last year were in Birmingham.
"We don't know the exact reason Birmingham features so heavily in these surveys," said Ben Fletcher, the director of the IFB, a not-for-profit organisation set up to detect fraud.
"Obviously, this is a nationwide problem and we have investigations that range from Kent to the North East, but large urban areas tend to be the focal points for these kind of crimes." '
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
1. the headline for politico.com's reporting of the German election = "Angela's Ashes" 2. Wiener has been sentenced to 21 months prison time for the last of his sexting scandals.
Not quite the stiff jail sentence Wiener deserves. I was hoping he would do real hard time.
1. the headline for politico.com's reporting of the German election = "Angela's Ashes" 2. Wiener has been sentenced to 21 months prison time for the last of his sexting scandals.
Not quite the stiff jail sentence Wiener deserves. I was hoping he would do real hard time.
Surely nobody can think she is not a Tory mouthpiece
I doubt she is. Your mistake arises because she is not blatently anti-Tory unlike most of the BBC news and current affairs journalists and editors. They in turn are a bit less anti-Tory than C4.
You mean Andrew Neil, Andrew Marr, Laura Kuensberg are not Tories
Surely nobody can think she is not a Tory mouthpiece
I doubt she is. Your mistake arises because she is not blatently anti-Tory unlike most of the BBC news and current affairs journalists and editors. They in turn are a bit less anti-Tory than C4.
You mean Andrew Neil, Andrew Marr, Laura Kuensberg are not Tories
Andrew Marr is well known to be sympathetic to Labour (probably not pro-Corbyn as he is pretty smart and knows something of History). Neil may well vote Tory but I think most would agree that he roasts allcomers. He is distinguished by the fact that he bothers to research properly before interviewing and so is more forensic.
1. the headline for politico.com's reporting of the German election = "Angela's Ashes" 2. Wiener has been sentenced to 21 months prison time for the last of his sexting scandals.
Not quite the stiff jail sentence Wiener deserves. I was hoping he would do real hard time.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
1. the headline for politico.com's reporting of the German election = "Angela's Ashes" 2. Wiener has been sentenced to 21 months prison time for the last of his sexting scandals.
Not quite the stiff jail sentence Wiener deserves. I was hoping he would do real hard time.
1. the headline for politico.com's reporting of the German election = "Angela's Ashes" 2. Wiener has been sentenced to 21 months prison time for the last of his sexting scandals.
Not quite the stiff jail sentence Wiener deserves. I was hoping he would do real hard time.
Surely nobody can think she is not a Tory mouthpiece
I doubt she is. Your mistake arises because she is not blatently anti-Tory unlike most of the BBC news and current affairs journalists and editors. They in turn are a bit less anti-Tory than C4.
You mean Andrew Neil, Andrew Marr, Laura Kuensberg are not Tories
Andrew Marr is married to the daughter of a (now deceased) Labour MP.
1. the headline for politico.com's reporting of the German election = "Angela's Ashes" 2. Wiener has been sentenced to 21 months prison time for the last of his sexting scandals.
Not quite the stiff jail sentence Wiener deserves. I was hoping he would do real hard time.
1. the headline for politico.com's reporting of the German election = "Angela's Ashes" 2. Wiener has been sentenced to 21 months prison time for the last of his sexting scandals.
Not quite the stiff jail sentence Wiener deserves. I was hoping he would do real hard time.
I doubt if he'll have an easy time inside.
Oh good grief, that's even more unfortunate!
Hilary is associated with some seriously sleazy men.
1. the headline for politico.com's reporting of the German election = "Angela's Ashes" 2. Wiener has been sentenced to 21 months prison time for the last of his sexting scandals.
Not quite the stiff jail sentence Wiener deserves. I was hoping he would do real hard time.
I doubt if he'll have an easy time inside.
No-one going soft on him, then?
This whole case has been an endless cock up.
As I have a bad cold and a full teaching day tomorrow, that's my lot. Good night.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
1. the headline for politico.com's reporting of the German election = "Angela's Ashes" 2. Wiener has been sentenced to 21 months prison time for the last of his sexting scandals.
Not quite the stiff jail sentence Wiener deserves. I was hoping he would do real hard time.
I doubt if he'll have an easy time inside.
Oh good grief, that's even more unfortunate!
Believe it or not, I hadn't appreciated the double entendre.
Fortunately, he's pig ugly, which should spare him some unwanted attention in prison.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
I wish you were exaggerating! I'm hoping that part of Corbynism a short-lived cultural fashion that is shallow and short-lived and so starts fading before the next election. I admit that I am baffled as to why so many fail to see the true nature of Momentum's agenda and the supine response of the opposition with Labour is pathetic. Two weak points are Europe where the majority of the young Labour voters are completely against Corbyn's true position and McDonnell projecting aggression rahther than the Corbyn kindly eccentric BS.
1. the headline for politico.com's reporting of the German election = "Angela's Ashes" 2. Wiener has been sentenced to 21 months prison time for the last of his sexting scandals.
Not quite the stiff jail sentence Wiener deserves. I was hoping he would do real hard time.
I doubt if he'll have an easy time inside.
I'm told they are very fond of his type of prisoner
1. the headline for politico.com's reporting of the German election = "Angela's Ashes" 2. Wiener has been sentenced to 21 months prison time for the last of his sexting scandals.
Not quite the stiff jail sentence Wiener deserves. I was hoping he would do real hard time.
I doubt if he'll have an easy time inside.
No-one going soft on him, then?
This whole case has been an endless cock up.
As I have a bad cold and a full teaching day tomorrow, that's my lot. Good night.
No place for a private dick in that investigation!
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
The electorate will see it as a choice of (probably) a failed government and something new which must be better, if the tories believe they can win by only rubbishing corbyn without facing up to the issues that matter the we will get what we deserve.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
SNOWFLAKE. Pathetic. Fake news. “Not exactly Kate Adie in a war zone.”
And that’s just a flavour of the way some people on social media greeted the news that the BBC’s political editor has been assigned a bodyguard to protect her at Labour party conference: by blaming the victim, not those who threaten violence against her. She’s making it up for attention! She was asking for it, what with her wilful refusal to report the news in a manner more to people’s liking! She should have known it was provocative even to set foot there!
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. Although much of that was a legacy of the latter years of Wilson rather than Callaghan himself the 1974-1979 government was the most leftwing government since WW2 in my view, even more than Attlee's
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
The electorate will see it as a choice of (probably) a failed government and something new which must be better, if the tories believe they can win by only rubbishing corbyn without facing up to the issues that matter the we will get what we deserve.
Thats how I see it. A time expired gerontocracy that has failed, or a youthful and fresh young Labour promising change.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. Although much of that was a legacy of the latter years of Wilson rather than Callaghan himself the 1974-1979 government was the most leftwing government since WW2 in my view, even more than Attlee's
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
The electorate will see it as a choice of (probably) a failed government and something new which must be better, if the tories believe they can win by only rubbishing corbyn without facing up to the issues that matter the we will get what we deserve.
Thats how I see it. A time expired gerontocracy that has failed, or a youthful and fresh young Labour promising change.
I don't think I'd describe Corbyn as either young or fresh.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
The electorate will see it as a choice of (probably) a failed government and something new which must be better, if the tories believe they can win by only rubbishing corbyn without facing up to the issues that matter the we will get what we deserve.
They did not see it that way in 1992 when despite getting tired of 13 years of Tory government they still did not want to put Kinnock in Downing Street and despite most commentators and the Labour Party and even many Tories expecting a Labour victory John Major won a small overall majority.
A Corbyn government would also be far worse than a Kinnock government would have been
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
The electorate will see it as a choice of (probably) a failed government and something new which must be better, if the tories believe they can win by only rubbishing corbyn without facing up to the issues that matter the we will get what we deserve.
Thats how I see it. A time expired gerontocracy that has failed, or a youthful and fresh young Labour promising change.
People assume that others take policies and nanifestos make a difference, to a lot, they don't they vote by gut feal
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
The electorate will see it as a choice of (probably) a failed government and something new which must be better, if the tories believe they can win by only rubbishing corbyn without facing up to the issues that matter the we will get what we deserve.
Thats how I see it. A time expired gerontocracy that has failed, or a youthful and fresh young Labour promising change.
Which bit of Corbyn, McDonnell, Thornberry, Abbott and McCluskey and their policies do you think is young and fresh?
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
The electorate will see it as a choice of (probably) a failed government and something new which must be better, if the tories believe they can win by only rubbishing corbyn without facing up to the issues that matter the we will get what we deserve.
Thats how I see it. A time expired gerontocracy that has failed, or a youthful and fresh young Labour promising change.
You do understand what a gerontocracy is?
I think I preferred your posts when they smugly informed us of the progress of your stocks and shares ISA.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
The electorate will see it as a choice of (probably) a failed government and something new which must be better, if the tories believe they can win by only rubbishing corbyn without facing up to the issues that matter the we will get what we deserve.
They did not see it that way in 1992 when despite getting tired of 13 years of Tory government they still did not want to put Kinnock in Downing Street and despite most commentators and the Labour Party and even many Tories expecting a Labour victory John Major won a small overall majority.
A Corbyn government would also be far worse than a Kinnock government would have been
But as earlier posters have said they could remember the past
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. Although much of that was a legacy of the latter years of Wilson rather than Callaghan himself the 1974-1979 government was the most leftwing government since WW2 in my view, even more than Attlee's
You really do need to read some history.
Well you have not refuted my statement have you! The 1945-1951 and 1964-1970 governments may have pushed the UK in a more leftwing direction but it was the 1974-1979 government which preserved all that while seeing rising union militancy
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
The electorate will see it as a choice of (probably) a failed government and something new which must be better, if the tories believe they can win by only rubbishing corbyn without facing up to the issues that matter the we will get what we deserve.
Thats how I see it. A time expired gerontocracy that has failed, or a youthful and fresh young Labour promising change.
People assume that others take policies and nanifestos make a difference, to a lot, they don't they vote by gut feal
Not sure that it is merely a gut feel, more an overall gestalt impression. But agree, policies are not it except in very few and specific circumstances and then only with particular voting blocks.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
The electorate will see it as a choice of (probably) a failed government and something new which must be better, if the tories believe they can win by only rubbishing corbyn without facing up to the issues that matter the we will get what we deserve.
They did not see it that way in 1992 when despite getting tired of 13 years of Tory government they still did not want to put Kinnock in Downing Street and
But as earlier posters have said they could remember the past
I don't dispute that, as I said earlier the age at which you start voting Tory now is 47, however it was just about enough to keep Corbyn out last time even with the dementia tax Tory own goal
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. Although much of that was a legacy of the latter years of Wilson rather than Callaghan himself the 1974-1979 government was the most leftwing government since WW2 in my view, even more than Attlee's
The Callaghan government had imposed pay caps to reduce inflation.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent .You need to read more about that period 1970 to 79 As both Conservative administration's and Labour struggled with inflation and its effects after oil crisis of 1973.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
The electorate will see it as a choice of (probably) a failed government and something new which must be better, if the tories believe they can win by only rubbishing corbyn without facing up to the issues that matter the we will get what we deserve.
They did not see it that way in 1992 when despite getting tired of 13 years of Tory government they still did not want to put Kinnock in Downing Street and
But as earlier posters have said they could remember the past
I don't dispute that, as I said earlier the age at which you start voting Tory now is 47, however it was just about enough to keep Corbyn out last time even with the dementia tax Tory own goal
Which in itself is remarkable, apart from fear why else would you currently vote tory if you were still renting t 46 and waiting for youre parents to die?
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. than Attlee's
The Callaghan government had imposed pay caps to reduce inflation.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent .You need to read more about that period 1970 to 79 As both Conservative administration's and Labour struggled with inflation and its effects after oil crisis of 1973.
The pay cap limit was still 5%, significantly higher than now and the government's inability to control the trade unions led to Thatcher's win in 1979. There was actually more austerity under Attlee than Wilson and Callaghan
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you the threat of Corbyn Labour
The electorate will see it as a choice of (what we deserve.
They did not see it that way in 1992 when despite getting tired of 13 years of Tory government they still did not want to put Kinnock in Downing Street and
But as earlier posters have said they could remember the past
I do
Which in itself is remarkable, apart from fear why else would you currently vote tory if you were still renting t 46 and waiting for youre parents to die?
As unemployment is just 4%, the economy is still growing and the unions do not run the country.
Given a term of Corbyn and McDonnell (which would also include raising inheritance tax of course so you would not even be able to inherit as much when your parents die) and the age at which you start voting Tory would likely move to 27 from 47. A Corbyn victory would probably be the best possible thing that could happen to the Tory Party in the longer term however it would be a disaster for the country
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. than Attlee's
The Callaghan government had imposed pay caps to reduce inflation.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent .You need to read more about that period 1970 to 79 As both Conservative administration's and Labour struggled with inflation and its effects after oil crisis of 1973.
The pay cap limit was still 5%, significantly higher than now and the government's inability to control the trade unions led to Thatcher's win in 1979. There was actually more austerity under Attlee than Wilson and Callaghan
But the austerity of the Attlee Government was via direct controls -a continuation of the system of rationing which had prevailed throughout World War 2. High levels of Diect Taxation on individuals and businesses also continued to be applied.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not e
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. than Attlee's
The Callaghan government had imposed pay caps to reduce inflation.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent .You need to read more about that period 1970 to 79 As both Conservative administration's and Labour struggled with inflation and its effects after oil crisis of 1973.
The pay cap limit was still 5%, significantly higher than now and the government's inability to control the trade unions led to Thatcher's win in 1979. There was actually more austerity under Attlee than Wilson and Callaghan
You are been disingenuous now inflation at times during the 70s was over 20% .So comparing pay caps to today of 5% then is not comparable.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. than Attlee's
The Callaghan government had imposed pay caps to reduce inflation.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent .You need to read more about that period 1970 to 79 As both Conservative administration's and Labour struggled with inflation and its effects after oil crisis of 1973.
The pay cap limit was still 5%, significantly higher than now and the government's inability to control the trade unions led to Thatcher's win in 1979. There was actually more austerity under Attlee than Wilson and Callaghan
You are been disingenuous now inflation at times during the 70s was over 20% .So comparing pay caps to today of 5% then is not comparable.
Indeed, Labour brought down inflation quite well until the winter of 79.
If Labour had gone to the country in the Autumn of 78, they probably would have won, and Maggie would have been a footnote in history.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you the threat of Corbyn Labour
The electorate will see it as a choice of (what we deserve.
They did not see it that way in 1992 when despite getting tired of 13 years of Tory government they still did not want to put Kinnock in Downing Street and
But as earlier posters have said they could remember the past
I do
Which in itself is remarkable, apart from fear why else would you currently vote tory if you were still renting t 46 and waiting for youre parents to die?
As unemployment is just 4%, the economy is still growing and the unions do not run the country.
I would agree but as i saidn a lot of people vote on a very poor basis And don't analyse things. The tories are in power and if they continue to ignore the big issues beyond brexit they are toast
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
The electorate will see it as a choice of (probably) a failed government and something new which must be better, if the tories believe they can win by only rubbishing corbyn without facing up to the issues that matter the we will get what we deserve.
Thats how I see it. A time expired gerontocracy that has failed, or a youthful and fresh young Labour promising change.
Unpleasant change. Change that will make me and mine significantly worse off. Change that has been tried and failed the world over.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. Although much of that was a legacy of the latter years of Wilson rather than Callaghan himself the 1974-1979 government was the most leftwing government since WW2 in my view, even more than Attlee's
The Top rate of Income Tax was actually 83% - not over 90%. In addition , an Investment Income Surcharge of 15% was applied to Unearned Income in excess of £1500pa. On that slice of income taxpayers paid 15% plus whatever happened to be their Top Rate of Income Tax. Under the Heath Government - and earlier postwar Tory Governments the Top rate of Income Tax was always at least 75% so the idea that only Labour applied such penal rates is bunkum!
It is me or are blockquote issues turning this thread into a version of the Two Ronnies Mastermind sketch?
Need a lesson on block quote please
Just make sure you delete the same number of opening and closing blockquote tags. If I need to trim a comment, I usually delete all but the first and last, which keeps only the previous comment.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. than Attlee's
The Callaghan government had imposed pay caps to reduce inflation.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent .You need to read more about that period 1970 to 79 As both Conservative administration's and Labour struggled with inflation and its effects after oil crisis of 1973.
The pay cap limit was and Callaghan
But the austerity of the Attlee Government was via direct controls -a continuation of the system of rationing which had prevailed throughout World War 2. High levels of Diect Taxation on individuals and businesses also continued to be applied.
Healey raised the top rate of income tax to 83% in his first budget. A surtax of 15 per cent on "investment income" meant it was effectively 98%
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. Although much of that was a legacy of the latter years of Wilson rather than Callaghan himself the 1974-1979 government was the most leftwing government since WW2 in my view, even more than Attlee's
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us
The electorate will see it as a choice of (what we deserve.
They did not see it that way in 1992 when despite getting tired of 13 years of Tory government they still did not want to put Kinnock in Downing Street and
But as earlier posters have said they could remember the past
I do
Which in itself is remarkable, apart from fear why else would you currently vote tory if you were still renting t 46 and waiting for youre parents to die?
As unemployment is just 4%, the economy is still growing and the unions do not run the country.
Given a term of Corbyn and McDonnell (which would also include raising inheritance tax of course so you would not even be able to inherit as much when your parents die) and the age at which you start voting Tory would likely move to 27 from 47. A Corbyn victory would probably be the best possible thing that could happen to the Tory Party in the longer term however it would be a disaster for the country
What percentage of young people expect to inherit anywhere near the inheritance limit?
Labour could reduce the tax free limit to £250 000 without hurting their voters. Above that it is just a windfall profit.
Indeed, there is something to be saod for the tax being paid as income or capital gain by the recipient.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not e
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. than Attlee's
The Callaghan government had imposed pay caps to reduce inflation.https://en.m.crisis of 1973.
The pay cap limit was still 5%, significantly higher than now and the government's inability to control the trade unions led to Thatcher's win in 1979. There was actually more austerity under Attlee than Wilson and Callaghan
You are been disingenuous now inflation at times during the 70s was over 20% .So comparing pay caps to today of 5% then is not comparable.
Yes, the Labour government (and to be fair the Heath government) could not control inflation either, another reason for Thatcher's 1979 win
It is me or are blockquote issues turning this thread into a version of the Two Ronnies Mastermind sketch?
Need a lesson on block quote please
Just make sure you delete the same number of opening and closing blockquote tags. If I need to trim a comment, I usually delete all but the first and last, which keeps only the previous comment.
Will try that i dont like polluting other peoples views with mine
Find that a bit tough to believe. There's no doubt though that the Tories brexit planning isnt helping the City much though...
I can believe it. Strange as it may seem, there are rich people who view Brexit as such a personal affront (like the millionaires at the engagement party I went to on 10/6/16) that they will vote for a Labour Party that would give them a hard time, just so they could get their own back.
There is a new ICM poll. I don't know how much we can rely on them.
If they're still using the same methodology as for the GE, subtract 4 from the Tories and add 6 to Labour...
No - I think it is only fair to point out that if pollsters were still adhering to the methodologies relied on for the last year of the 2015 Parliament, most of them would still be showing a clear Tory lead!
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us
The electorate will see it as a choice of (what we deserve.
They did not see it that way in 1992 when despite getting tired of 13 years of Tory government they still did not want to put Kinnock in Downing Street and
But as earlier posters have said they could remember the past
I do
Which in itself is remarkable, for youre parents to die?
As unemployment is just 4%, the economy is still growing and the unions do not run the country.
Given a term of Corbyn and country
What percentage of young people expect to inherit anywhere near the inheritance limit?
Labour could reduce the tax free limit to £250 000 without hurting their voters. Above that it is just a windfall profit.
Indeed, there is something to be saod for the tax being paid as income or capital gain by the recipient.
The average house price is now approaching £300 000, the old inheritance threshold started at £325 000 before Osborne's effective raising of it to £1 million so an increasing number actually. So if Labour reduced it to £250 000 especially once you include other assets with 60% of the country still home owners a majority would be paying inheritance tax under Corbyn Labour they would not under the Tories
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have r
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. than Attlee's
The Callaghan government had imposed pay caps to reduce inflation.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent .You need to read more about that period 1970 to 79 As both Conservative administration's and Labour struggled with inflation and its effects after oil crisis of 1973.
The pay cap limit was and Callaghan
But the austerity of the Attlee Government was via direct controls -a continuation of the system of rationing which had prevailed throughout World War 2. High levels of Diect Taxation on individuals and businesses also continued to be applied.
Healey raised the top rate of income tax to 83% in his first budget. A surtax of 15 per cent on "investment income" meant it was effectively 98%
Yet the overall tax burden was much the same as today, in the high 30%, see fig 3.21 here
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. than Attlee's
The Callaghan government had imposed pay caps to reduce inflation.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent .You need to read more about that period 1970 to 79 As both Conservative administration's and Labour struggled with inflation and its effects after oil crisis of 1973.
The pay cap limit was and Callaghan
But the austerity of the Attlee Government was via direct controls -a continuation of the system of rationing which had prevailed throughout World War 2. High levels of Diect Taxation on individuals and businesses also continued to be applied.
Healey raised the top rate of income tax to 83% in his first budget. A surtax of 15 per cent on "investment income" meant it was effectively 98%
But it had been at least 90% under Anthony Barber - Reginald Maudling, Selwyn Lloyd et al!
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland
Let us
The electorate will see it as a choice of (what we deserve.
They did not see it that way in 1992 when despite getting tired of 13 years of Tory government they still did not want to put Kinnock in Downing Street and
But as earlier posters have said they could remember the past
I do
Which in itself is remarkable, for youre parents to die?
As unemployment is just 4%, the economy is still growing and the unions do not run the country.
Given a term of Corbyn and country
What percentage of young people expect to inherit anywhere near the inheritance limit?
Labour could reduce the tax free limit to £250 000 without hurting their voters. Above that it is just a windfall profit.
Indeed, there is something to be saod for the tax being paid as income or capital gain by the recipient.
The average house price is now approaching £300 000, the old inheritance threshold started at £325 000 before Osborne's effective raising of it to £1 million so an increasing number actually. So if Labour reduced it to £250 000 especially once you include other assets with 60% of the country still home owners a majority would be paying inheritance tax under Corbyn Labour
But only on £50 000, and in much of the country outside the SE, nothing at all.
The Tories idea of "the squeezed middle" is in reality the top 10%.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing wift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us
The electorate will see it as a choice of (what we deserve.
They did not see it that way in 1992 when despite getting tired of 13 years of Tory government they still did not want to put Kinnock in Downing Street and
But as earlier posters have said they could remember the past
I do
Which in itself is remarkable, for youre parents to die?
As unemployment is just 4%, the economy is still growing and the unions do not run the country.
Given a term of Corbyn and country
What percentage of young people expect to inherit anywhere near the inheritance limit?
Labour could reduce the tax free limit to £250 000 without hurting their voters. Above that it is just a windfall profit.
Indeed, there is something to be saod for the tax being paid as income or capital gain by the recipient.
The average house price is now approaching £300 000, the old inheritance threshold started at £325 000 before Osborne's effective raising of it to £1 million so an increasing number actually. So if Labour reduced it to £250 000 especially once you include other assets with 60% of the country still home owners a majority would be paying inheritance tax under Corbyn Labour
Hostility towards capital taxation, or charges against capital, (like the dementia tax) goes far beyond the number who would actually be affected.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us
The electorate will see it as a choice of (what we deserve.
They did not see it that way in 1992 when despite getting tired of 13 years of Tory government they still did not want to put Kinnock in Downing Street and
But as earlier posters have said they could remember the past
The average house price is now approaching £300 000, the old inheritance threshold started at £325 000 before Osborne's effective raising of it to £1 million so an increasing number actually. So if Labour reduced it to £250 000 especially once you include other assets with 60% of the country still home owners a majority would be paying inheritance tax under Corbyn Labour they would not under the Tories
But how did thebduke of westminster estate not pay any IHT.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have r
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. than Attlee's
The Callaghan government had imposed pay caps to reduce inflation.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent .You need to read more about that period 1970 to 79 As both Conservative administration's and Labour struggled with inflation and its effects after oil crisis of 1973.
The pay cap limit was and Callaghan
But the austerity of the Attlee Government was via direct controls -a continuation of the system of rationing which had prevailed throughout World War 2. High levels of Diect Taxation on individuals and businesses also continued to be applied.
Healey raised the top rate of income tax to 83% in his first budget. A surtax of 15 per cent on "investment income" meant it was effectively 98%
Yet the overall tax burden was much the same as today, in the high 30%, see fig 3.21 here
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of Attlee's
The Top rate of Income Tax was actually 83% - not over 90%. In addition , an Investment Income Surcharge of 15% was applied to Unearned Income in excess of £1500pa. On that slice of income taxpayers paid 15% plus whatever happened to be their Top Rate of Income Tax. Under the Heath Government - and earlier postwar Tory Governments the Top rate of Income Tax was always at least 75% so the idea that only Labour applied such penal rates is bunkum!
Healey in his first budget raised it from 75% under Heath to 83%. Howe slashed it back to 60% when the Tories got back in and Lawson cut it all the way back to 40% in 1988
You are been disingenuous now inflation at times during the 70s was over 20% .So comparing pay caps to today of 5% then is not comparable.
Indeed, Labour brought down inflation quite well until the winter of 79. If Labour had gone to the country in the Autumn of 78, they probably would have won, and Maggie would have been a footnote in history.
It should be remembered that when government was at its best in the 1970s was the time of the Lib-Lab Pact. Callaghan could only those parts of Labour policy that the Liberals approved of - so it was all pretty sensible.
Of course, the Tories went beserk in this period, and threatened a coup dètat.... But then, in the cooling off period in the run-up to the election, the left-wing unions and Militant Tendency went mad too, and made the Callaghan government an easy target for Thatcherite propaganda. The rest is history.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us
The electorate will see it as a choice of (what we deserve.
They did not see it that way in 1992 when despite getting tired of 13 years of Tory government they still did not want to put Kinnock in Downing Street and
But as earlier posters have said they could remember the past
The average house price is now approaching £300 000, the old inheritance threshold started at £325 000 before Osborne's effective raising of it to £1 million so an increasing number actually. So if Labour reduced it to £250 000 especially once you include other assets with 60% of the country still home owners a majority would be paying inheritance tax under Corbyn Labour they would not under the Tories
But how did thebduke of westminster estate not pay any IHT.
Held in trust. A trust doesn't die.
But, bear in mind, trust income is taxed at 32.5% to 40%,
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing wift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us
The electorate will see it as a choice of (what we deserve.
They did not see it that way in 1992 when despite getting tired of 13 years of Tory government they still did not want to put Kinnock in Downing Street and
But as earlier posters have said they could remember the past
I do
Which in itself is remarkable, for youre parents to die?
As unemployment is just 4%, the economy is still growing and the unions do not run the country.
Given a term of Corbyn and country
What percentage of young people expect to inherit anywhere near the inheritance limit?
Labour could reduce the tax free limit to £250 000 without hurting their voters. Above that it is just a windfall profit.
Indeed, there is something to be saod for the tax being paid as income or capital gain by the recipient.
The average house price is now approaching £300 000, the old inheritance threshold started at £325 000 before Osborne's effective raising of it to £1 million so an increasing number actually. So if Labour reduced it to £250 000 especially once you include other assets with 60% of the country still home owners a majority would be paying inheritance tax under Corbyn Labour
Hostility towards capital taxation, or charges against capital, (like the dementia tax) goes far beyond the number who would actually be affected.
You are been disingenuous now inflation at times during the 70s was over 20% .So comparing pay caps to today of 5% then is not comparable.
Indeed, Labour brought down inflation quite well until the winter of 79. If Labour had gone to the country in the Autumn of 78, they probably would have won, and Maggie would have been a footnote in history.
It should be remembered that when government was at its best in the 1970s was the time of the Lib-Lab Pact. Callaghan could only those parts of Labour policy that the Liberals approved of - so it was all pretty sensible.
Of course, the Tories went beserk in this period, and threatened a coup dètat.... But then, in the cooling off period in the run-up to the election, the left-wing unions and Militant Tendency went mad too, and made the Callaghan government an easy target for Thatcherite propaganda. The rest is history.
But the 1970s were not an unmitigated disaster.
The 70's were good fun, if you were the child of well off parents.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have r
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. than Attlee's
The Callaghan government had imposed pay caps to reduce inflation.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent .You need to read more about that period 1970 to 79 As both Conservative administration's and Labour struggled with inflation and its effects after oil crisis of 1973.
The pay cap limit was and Callaghan
But the austerity of the Attlee Government was via direct controls -a continuation of the system of rationing which had prevailed throughout World War 2. High levels of Diect Taxation on individuals and businesses also continued to be applied.
Healey raised the top rate of income tax to 83% in his first budget. A surtax of 15 per cent on "investment income" meant it was effectively 98%
Yet the overall tax burden was much the same as today, in the high 30%, see fig 3.21 here
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you the threat of Corbyn Labour
The electorate will see it as a choice of (what we deserve.
They did not see it that way in 1992 when despite getting tired of 13 years of Tory government they still did not want to put Kinnock in Downing Street and
But as earlier posters have said they could remember the past
I do
Which in itself is remarkable, apart from fear why else would you currently vote tory if you were still renting t 46 and waiting for youre parents to die?
As unemployment is just 4%, the economy is still growing and the unions do not run the country.
Given a term of Corbyn and McDonnell (which would also include raising inheritance tax of course so you would not even be able to inherit as much when your parents die) and the age at which you start voting Tory would likely move to 27 from 47. A Corbyn victory would probably be the best possible thing that could happen to the Tory Party in the longer term however it would be a disaster for the country
Unemployment is only circa 4.5% in the context of massive 'adjustments' to the headline figures over the last 40 years. If 16 - 18 year old were still able to make JSA claims , if all JSA claimants were still entitled to receive payments on a Contribution basis for 12 months rather than 6 months , and if those who were diverted to other benefits -such as ESA - in the 80s & 90s to help massage the figures were now switched back to JSA - the unemployment rate would probably still exceed 2 million.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland
Let us
The electorate will see it as a choice of (what we deserve.
They did not see it that way in 1992 when despite getting tired of 13 years of Tory government they still did not want to put Kinnock in Downing Street and
But as earlier posters have said they could remember the past
I do
Which in itself is remarkable, for youre parents to die?
As unemployment is just 4%, the economy is still growing and the unions do not run the country.
Given a term of Corbyn and country
What percentage of young people expect to inherit anywhere near the inheritance limit?
Labour could reduce the tax free limit to £250 000 without hurting their voters. Above that it is just a windfall profit.
Indeed, there is something to be saod for the tax being paid as income or capital gain by the recipient.
The average house price is now approaching £300 000, the old inheritance threshold started at £325
But only on £50 000, and in much of the country outside the SE, nothing at all.
The Tories idea of "the squeezed middle" is in reality the top 10%.
In London the average house price is £500 000 at least and there are marginal seats there Corbyn has to hold to be re elected. Even on your admission most of the country would be hit by inheritance tax to some degree under Corbyn, so over 50% not 10%
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
The electorate will see it as a choice of (probably) a failed government and something new which must be better, if the tories believe they can win by only rubbishing corbyn without facing up to the issues that matter the we will get what we deserve.
They did not see it that way in 1992 when despite getting tired of 13 years of Tory government they still did not want to put Kinnock in Downing Street and
But as earlier posters have said they could remember the past
I don't dispute that, as I said earlier the age at which you start voting Tory now is 47, however it was just about enough to keep Corbyn out last time even with the dementia tax Tory own goal
Which in itself is remarkable, apart from fear why else would you currently vote tory if you were still renting t 46 and waiting for youre parents to die?
If you're still renting at 46 then its Blair and Brown who you should be blaming.
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. than Attlee's
The Callaghan government had imposed pay caps to reduce inflation.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent .You need to read more about that period 1970 to 79 As both Conservative administration's and Labour struggled with inflation and its effects after oil crisis of 1973.
The pay cap limit was and Callaghan
But the austerity of the also continued to be applied.
Healey raised the top rate of income tax to 83% in his first budget. A surtax of 15 per cent on "investment income" meant it was effectively 98%
But it had been at least 90% under Anthony Barber - Reginald Maudling, Selwyn Lloyd et al!
Barber reduced income tax by £1 billion from that left by Labour. The investment income surtax Healey introduced took the top income tax rate to 98% in effect as stated
The hard Brexit we will still ultimately have under Corbyn and McDonnell combined with their nationalising and taxing everything in site with an army of striking trade unionists and Momentum behind them would probably lead to the worst government this country has had since WW2 if they did win the next general election.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have r
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. than Attlee's
The Callaghan administration's and Labour struggled with inflation and its effects after oil crisis of 1973.
The pay cap limit was and Callaghan
But the austerity of the Attlee also continued to be applied.
Healey raised the top rate of income tax to 83% in his first budget. A surtax of 15 per cent on "investment income" meant it was effectively 98%
Yet the overall tax burden was much the same as today, in the high 30%, see fig 3.21 here
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you the threat of Corbyn Labour
The electorate will see it as a choice of (what we deserve.
They did not see it that way in 1992 when despite getting tired of 13 years of Tory government they still did not want to put Kinnock in Downing Street and
But as earlier posters have said they could remember the past
I do
Which in itself is remarkable, apart from fear why else would you currently vote tory if you were still renting t 46 and waiting for youre parents to die?
As unemployment is just 4%, the economy is still growing and the unions do not run the country.
Given a term of Corbyn and McDonnell (which would also include raising inheritance tax of course so you would not even be able to inherit as much when your parents die) and the age at which you start voting Tory would likely move to 27 from 47. A Corbyn victory would probably be the best possible thing that could happen to the Tory Party in the longer term however it would be a disaster for the country
Unemployment is only circa 4.5% in the context of massive 'adjustments' to the headline figures over the last 40 years. If 16 - 18 year old were still able to make JSA claims , if all JSA claimants were still entitled to receive payments on a Contribution basis for 12 months rather than 6 months , and if those who were diverted to other benefits -such as ESA - in the 80s & 90s to help massage the figures were now switched back to JSA - the unemployment rate would probably still exceed 2 million.
On what basis do you say that, all those existed when Labour left unemployment of 8% compared to the 4% now, not to mention universal credit is making even the smallest amount of work pay
You are been disingenuous now inflation at times during the 70s was over 20% .So comparing pay caps to today of 5% then is not comparable.
Indeed, Labour brought down inflation quite well until the winter of 79. If Labour had gone to the country in the Autumn of 78, they probably would have won, and Maggie would have been a footnote in history.
It should be remembered that when government was at its best in the 1970s was the time of the Lib-Lab Pact. Callaghan could only those parts of Labour policy that the Liberals approved of - so it was all pretty sensible.
Of course, the Tories went beserk in this period, and threatened a coup dètat.... But then, in the cooling off period in the run-up to the election, the left-wing unions and Militant Tendency went mad too, and made the Callaghan government an easy target for Thatcherite propaganda. The rest is history.
But the 1970s were not an unmitigated disaster.
Rampant inflation, high taxes, gdp per capita amongst the lowest in Western Europe, union militancy, hardly a success story!
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. Although much of that was a legacy of the latter years of Wilson rather than Callaghan himself the 1974-1979 government was the most leftwing government since WW2 in my view, even more than Attlee's
The Top rate of Income Tax was actually 83% - not over 90%. In addition , an Investment Income Surcharge of 15% was applied to Unearned Income in excess of £1500pa. On that slice of income taxpayers paid 15% plus whatever happened to be their Top Rate of Income Tax. Under the Heath Government - and earlier postwar Tory Governments the Top rate of Income Tax was always at least 75% so the idea that only Labour applied such penal rates is bunkum!
My grandfather had to sell his house and farm because he was paying 106% income tax (83+15+8% land duty tax)
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. than Attlee's
The Callaghan government had imposed pay caps to reduce inflation.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent .You need to read more about that period 1970 to 79 As both Conservative administration's and Labour struggled with inflation and its effects after oil crisis of 1973.
The pay cap limit was and Callaghan
But the austerity of the also continued to be applied.
Healey raised the top rate of income tax to 83% in his first budget. A surtax of 15 per cent on "investment income" meant it was effectively 98%
But it had been at least 90% under Anthony Barber - Reginald Maudling, Selwyn Lloyd et al!
Barber reduced income tax by £1 billion from that left by Labour. The investment income surtax Healey introduced took the top income tax rate to 98% in effect as stated
Income Tax rates under all Tory postwar Governments until Thatcher were higher than anything I have seen proposed by Corbyn or Mcdonnell.As for Howe & Lawson reducing the Top rate of Income Tax in 1979 and 1988, I always found it shameful that Blair & Brown made no attempt to partially reverse those changes - until late 2009/10 when Darling raised the Top rate to 50%.. Of course when Howe reduced the Top Rate to 60% in his first Budget in June 1979 , he also raised VAT from 8% to 15% - and added significantly to the cost-push inflationary pressures already affecting the economy.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. Although much of that was a legacy of the latter years of Wilson rather than Callaghan himself the 1974-1979 government was the most leftwing government since WW2 in my view, even more than Attlee's
The Top rate of Income Tax was actually 83% - not over 90%. In addition , an Investment Income Surcharge of 15% was applied to Unearned Income in excess of £1500pa. On that slice of income taxpayers paid 15% plus whatever happened to be their Top Rate of Income Tax. Under the Heath Government - and earlier postwar Tory Governments the Top rate of Income Tax was always at least 75% so the idea that only Labour applied such penal rates is bunkum!
My grandfather had to sell his house and farm because he was paying 106% income tax (83+15+8% land duty tax)
But he would - on the same basis - have had to pay 98% under Anthony Barber!
You are been disingenuous now inflation at times during the 70s was over 20% .So comparing pay caps to today of 5% then is not comparable.
Indeed, Labour brought down inflation quite well until the winter of 79. If Labour had gone to the country in the Autumn of 78, they probably would have won, and Maggie would have been a footnote in history.
It should be remembered that when government was at its best in the 1970s was the time of the Lib-Lab Pact. Callaghan could only those parts of Labour policy that the Liberals approved of - so it was all pretty sensible.
Of course, the Tories went beserk in this period, and threatened a coup dètat.... But then, in the cooling off period in the run-up to the election, the left-wing unions and Militant Tendency went mad too, and made the Callaghan government an easy target for Thatcherite propaganda. The rest is history.
But the 1970s were not an unmitigated disaster.
Rampant inflation, high taxes, gdp per capita amongst the lowest in Western Europe, union militancy, hardly a success story!
Inflation was a good deal lower when Labour left office in May 1979 than when they took over from Heath in March 1974.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
Many professionals and businessmen and those with significant capital would move to Geneva, New York (provided the US avoids Sanders or Warren), the Bahamas, Monaco, Singapore or even Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. Although much of that was a legacy of the latter years of Wilson rather than Callaghan himself the 1974-1979 government was the most leftwing government since WW2 in my view, even more than Attlee's
The Top rate of Income Tax was actually 83% - not over 90%. In addition , an Investment Income Surcharge of 15% was applied to Unearned Income in excess of £1500pa. On that slice of income taxpayers paid 15% plus whatever happened to be their Top Rate of Income Tax. Under the Heath Government - and earlier postwar Tory Governments the Top rate of Income Tax was always at least 75% so the idea that only Labour applied such penal rates is bunkum!
My grandfather had to sell his house and farm because he was paying 106% income tax (83+15+8% land duty tax)
What was the land duty tax Charles?
The 98% would have been on investment income over £20k (equivalent to circa £190k today) IIRC
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
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It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. Although much of that was a legacy of the latter years of Wilson rather than Callaghan himself the 1974-1979 government was the most leftwing government since WW2 in my view, even more than Attlee's
The Top rate of Income Tax was actually 83% - not over 90%. In addition , an Investment Income Surcharge of 15% was applied to Unearned Income in excess of £1500pa. On that slice of income taxpayers paid 15% plus whatever happened to be their Top Rate of Income Tax. Under the Heath Government - and earlier postwar Tory Governments the Top rate of Income Tax was always at least 75% so the idea that only Labour applied such penal rates is bunkum!
My grandfather had to sell his house and farm because he was paying 106% income tax (83+15+8% land duty tax)
But he would - on the same basis - have had to pay 98% under Anthony Barber!
106% drove him over the edge.
He'd given up his private business interests to serve the public and then Labour's tax forced him to sell the house that he loved (when he died 40 years later he was buried there) because he only had his wage to cover all his expenses and he couldn't meet the tax bill.
Seeing Dennis Skinner ranting about Tesco; Emily Thornberry guffawing at her own jokes; Len McCluskey singing the Red Flag but replacing 'red' with 'Corbyn'.... If this joke party actually gets elected the country is in deep deep doodoo. When push comes to shove will the marginals really back them? Maybe so. But the regrets will be deep and swift I think.
Manyen Paris during the Corbyn years
It will be a wasteland with ragged figures huddled round braziers by the end of the Corbyn years yet many sensible folk seem to be considering voting for them; or at least aren't vexed by the prospect of a quasi Marxist government.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. Although much of that was a legacy of the latter years of Wilson rather than Callaghan himself the 1974-1979 government was the most leftwing government since WW2 in my view, even more than Attlee's
The Top rate of Income Tax was actually 83% - not over 90%. In addition , an Investment Income Surcharge of 15% was applied to Unearned Income in excess of £1500pa. On that slice of income taxpayers paid 15% plus whatever happened to be their Top Rate of Income Tax. Under the Heath Government - and earlier postwar Tory Governments the Top rate of Income Tax was always at least 75% so the idea that only Labour applied such penal rates is bunkum!
My grandfather had to sell his house and farm because he was paying 106% income tax (83+15+8% land duty tax)
What was the land duty tax Charles?
The 98% would have been on investment income over £20k (equivalent to circa £190k today) IIRC
It may have been called something else, but it was additional tax on income generated from land
Which in itself is remarkable, apart from fear why else would you currently vote tory if you were still renting t 46 and waiting for youre parents to die?
As unemployment is just 4%, the economy is still growing and the unions do not run the country.
Given a term of Corbyn and McDonnell (which would also include raising inheritance tax of course so you would not even be able to inherit as much when your parents die) and the age at which you start voting Tory would likely move to 27 from 47. A Corbyn victory would probably be the best possible thing that could happen to the Tory Party in the longer term however it would be a disaster for the country
Unemployment is only circa 4.5% in the context of massive 'adjustments' to the headline figures over the last 40 years. If 16 - 18 year old were still able to make JSA claims , if all JSA claimants were still entitled to receive payments on a Contribution basis for 12 months rather than 6 months , and if those who were diverted to other benefits -such as ESA - in the 80s & 90s to help massage the figures were now switched back to JSA - the unemployment rate would probably still exceed 2 million.
On what basis do you say that, all those existed when Labour left unemployment of 8% compared to the 4% now, not to mention universal credit is making even the smallest amount of work pay
I am not suggesting that unemployment has not fallen since 2010 - it would be very surprising had that not happened after over 7 years of recovery. Indeed on a like for like basis the 8% under Labour was almost certainly an understatement of the true level - the 'adjustments' had already been made and not reversed.If we were to go back to the headline data for the 70s and 80s and proceed to remove the 16 - 18 year olds , the Contribution based claimants who had been receiving benefit beyond 6 months , and those who would subsequently be persuaded to claim alternative benefits, we would notice a sudden miraculous improvement in the headline figures. The reality ,however, would have changed very little.
Let us not forget though you have to be almost 40 to have even been born at the time of the Winter of Discontent and the last proper leftwing Labour government. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the age at which you were more likely than not to vote Tory at the last general election was 47, and the 35 and unders were overwhelmingly Labour.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. than Attlee's
The Callaghan government had of 1973.
The pay cap limit was and Callaghan
But the austerity of the also continued to be applied.
Healey raised the top rate of income tax to 83% in his first budget. A surtax of 15 per cent on "investment income" meant it was effectively 98%
But it had been at least 90% under Anthony Barber - Reginald Maudling, Selwyn Lloyd et al!
Barber reduced income tax by £1 billion from that left by Labour. The investment income surtax Healey introduced took the top income tax rate to 98% in effect as stated
Income Tax rates under all Tory postwar Governments until Thatcher were higher than anything I have seen proposed by Corbyn or Mcdonnell.As for Howe & Lawson reducing the Top rate of Income Tax in 1979 and 1988, I always found it shameful that Blair & Brown made no attempt to partially reverse those changes - until late 2009/10 when Darling raised the Top rate to 50%.. Of course when Howe reduced the Top Rate to 60% in his first Budget in June 1979 , he also raised VAT from 8% to 15% - and added significantly to the cost-push inflationary pressures already affecting the economy.
In their first term they would reverse everything Thatcher did, ie increase income tax, nationalise privatised industries, weaken strike laws and then they would move further
You are been disingenuous now inflation at times during the 70s was over 20% .So comparing pay caps to today of 5% then is not comparable.
Indeed, Labour brought down inflation quite well until the winter of 79. If Labour had gone to the country in the Autumn of 78, they probably would have won, and Maggie would have been a footnote in history.
It should be remembered that when government was at its best in the 1970s was the time of the Lib-Lab Pact. Callaghan could only those parts of Labour policy that the Liberals approved of - so it was all pretty sensible.
Of course, the Tories went beserk in this period, and threatened a coup dètat.... But then, in the cooling off period in the run-up to the election, the left-wing unions and Militant Tendency went mad too, and made the Callaghan government an easy target for Thatcherite propaganda. The rest is history.
But the 1970s were not an unmitigated disaster.
Rampant inflation, high taxes, gdp per capita amongst the lowest in Western Europe, union militancy, hardly a success story!
Inflation was a good deal lower when Labour left office in May 1979 than when they took over from Heath in March 1974.
On the inflation front I have already said Heath failed too which was why Thatcher beat him and then beat Labour
But only on £50 000, and in much of the country outside the SE, nothing at all.
The Tories idea of "the squeezed middle" is in reality the top 10%.
The "squeezed middle" was an ed miliband gag. I never really understood it, except as an implied admission that Labour didn't feel a need to reach out to the proles because they vote Labour anyway.
It may be that people think they are richer than they really are, or aspire to be richer than they really are, but for whatever reason it was the heritability of housing wealth which both saw off Brown's bottled election in 07, and scuppered May in 17. More than the top 10% are involved.
And there is a level above which IHT ceases to matter because you have enough that you can give stuff away inter vivos while still retaining enough house and financial assets to live in, and on. It would actually be rational for the children of the top 5% or 2% or whatever to be strongly in favour of the current iht regime, because it incentivises their parents to disgorge assets prior to death.
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. than Attlee's
The Callaghan government had of 1973.
The pay cap limit was and Callaghan
But the austerity of the also continued to be applied.
Healey raised the top rate of income tax to 83% in his first budget. A surtax of 15 per cent on "investment income" meant it was effectively 98%
But it had been at least 90% under Anthony Barber - Reginald Maudling, Selwyn Lloyd et al!
Barber reduced income tax by £1 billion from that left by Labour. The investment income surtax Healey introduced took the top income tax rate to 98% in effect as stated
Income Tax rates under all Tory postwar Governments until Thatcher were higher than anything I have seen proposed by Corbyn or Mcdonnell.As for Howe & Lawson reducing the Top rate of Income Tax in 1979 and 1988, I always found it shameful that Blair & Brown made no attempt to partially reverse those changes - until late 2009/10 when Darling raised the Top rate to 50%.. Of course when Howe reduced the Top Rate to 60% in his first Budget in June 1979 , he also raised VAT from 8% to 15% - and added significantly to the cost-push inflationary pressures already affecting the economy.
In their first term they would reverse everything Thatcher did, ie increase income tax, nationalise privatised industries, weaken strike laws and then they would move further
That is a big exaggeration. I cannot see them wishing to renationalise BT or British Airways . Nor would the Top Income Tax revert to 75% never mind 83%. I have also yet to see any proposals to bring back the National Enterprise Board - though I live in hope. There should be reversal of the Tory Anti- Union laws , but no way will they do away with Strike Ballots or bring back the Closed Shop. The pendulum has swung too far against the interests of the workforce and some redressing of the balance is to be welcomed. The Arbeit Macht frei wing of the Tory party will ,of course, disagree!
James Callaghan's government 1976 79 was left wing ? I think you need to read some history.
It had a top rate of income tax of over 90%, BA and BT were in state hands and the unions were constantly on strike. than Attlee's
The Callaghan government had of 1973.
The pay cap limit was and Callaghan
But the austerity of the also continued to be applied.
Healey raised the top rate of income tax to 83% in his first budget. A surtax of 15 per cent on "investment income" meant it was effectively 98%
But it had been at least 90% under Anthony Barber - Reginald Maudling, Selwyn Lloyd et al!
Barber reduced income tax by £1 billion from that left by Labour. The investment income surtax Healey introduced took the top income tax rate to 98% in effect as stated
Income Tax rates under all Tory postwar Governments until Thatcher were higher than anything I have seen the economy.
In their first term they would reverse everything Thatcher did, ie increase income tax, nationalise privatised industries, weaken strike laws and then they would move further
That is a big exaggeration. I cannot see them wishing to renationalise BT or British Airways . Nor would the Top Income Tax revert to 75% never mind 83%. I have also yet to see any proposals to bring back the National Enterprise Board - though I live in hope. There should be reversal of the Tory Anti- Union laws , but no way will they do away with Strike Ballots or bring back the Closed Shop. The pendulum has swung too far against the interests of the workforce and some redressing of the balance is to be welcomed. The Arbeit Macht frei wing of the Tory party will ,of course, disagree!
They are already going to nationalise water companies, the railways, Royal Mail etc ie most of the latter privatisations, BA and BT would be next in line.
They will put income tax up to 50% then it would creep higher and higher.
Already McDonnell today has refused to condemn any illegal strikes
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You mean Andrew Neil, Andrew Marr, Laura Kuensberg are not Tories
Andrew Neil yes, the other two no
It probably wouldn't be the sun glinting off Boris' hair.
Andrew Marr is well known to be sympathetic to Labour (probably not pro-Corbyn as he is pretty smart and knows something of History). Neil may well vote Tory but I think most would agree that he roasts allcomers. He is distinguished by the fact that he bothers to research properly before interviewing and so is more forensic.
Andrew Marr is married to the daughter of a (now deceased) Labour MP.
Of course, he is not sympathetic to the Tories.
As I have a bad cold and a full teaching day tomorrow, that's my lot. Good night.
If they have not experienced socialism why should they fear it? By contrast over 65s, who would have been generally at least 30 in the late 70s and remember it well, were overwhelmingly Tory last time faced with the threat of Corbyn Labour
Fortunately, he's pig ugly, which should spare him some unwanted attention in prison.
Just not in a way he'd appreciate
A Corbyn government would also be far worse than a Kinnock government would have been
I think I preferred your posts when they smugly informed us of the progress of your stocks and shares ISA.
https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/city-warms-to-labour-as-tories-give-cold-shoulder-20170925
Given a term of Corbyn and McDonnell (which would also include raising inheritance tax of course so you would not even be able to inherit as much when your parents die) and the age at which you start voting Tory would likely move to 27 from 47. A Corbyn victory would probably be the best possible thing that could happen to the Tory Party in the longer term however it would be a disaster for the country
There's no doubt though that the Tories brexit planning isnt helping the City much though...
Under the Heath Government - and earlier postwar Tory Governments the Top rate of Income Tax was always at least 75% so the idea that only Labour applied such penal rates is bunkum!
Labour could reduce the tax free limit to £250 000 without hurting their voters. Above that it is just a windfall profit.
Indeed, there is something to be saod for the tax being paid as income or capital gain by the recipient.
https://www.ukpublicrevenue.co.uk/revenue_brief.php
Direct taxes were certainly high, but there were much bigger deductions and exemptions, and lower taxes on other things like VAT.
The Tories idea of "the squeezed middle" is in reality the top 10%.
I see overall taxation was highest under... oh, Thatcher at the end of her 1st term! Fancy that!
Of course, the Tories went beserk in this period, and threatened a coup dètat.... But then, in the cooling off period in the run-up to the election, the left-wing unions and Militant Tendency went mad too, and made the Callaghan government an easy target for Thatcherite propaganda. The rest is history.
But the 1970s were not an unmitigated disaster.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OJrUcDV0vxhB3JYLc01O2u9agmL0EG8-aTRfm2_JdxU/edit#gid=0
The 98% would have been on investment income over £20k (equivalent to circa £190k today) IIRC
He'd given up his private business interests to serve the public and then Labour's tax forced him to sell the house that he loved (when he died 40 years later he was buried there) because he only had his wage to cover all his expenses and he couldn't meet the tax bill.
It may be that people think they are richer than they really are, or aspire to be richer than they really are, but for whatever reason it was the heritability of housing wealth which both saw off Brown's bottled election in 07, and scuppered May in 17. More than the top 10% are involved.
And there is a level above which IHT ceases to matter because you have enough that you can give stuff away inter vivos while still retaining enough house and financial assets to live in, and on. It would actually be rational for the children of the top 5% or 2% or whatever to be strongly in favour of the current iht regime, because it incentivises their parents to disgorge assets prior to death.
There should be reversal of the Tory Anti- Union laws , but no way will they do away with Strike Ballots or bring back the Closed Shop. The pendulum has swung too far against the interests of the workforce and some redressing of the balance is to be welcomed. The Arbeit Macht frei wing of the Tory party will ,of course, disagree!
They will put income tax up to 50% then it would creep higher and higher.
Already McDonnell today has refused to condemn any illegal strikes