What is the evidence from Labour, and The SNP that 16 year olds in Britain are more politically mature than 16 year olds elsewhere in Europe or other mature democracies. Whole thing smacks of right on desperation.
I can just imagine your post 90 years ago substituting the phrase 16 year olds with the word women .
Instead of sticking to a party line, ask why so many states won't allow the under 18 year olds to vote. What has votes for women got to do with this issue?
It is the same as asking 90/100 years ago why so many states would not allow women to vote .
Patrick O'Flynn @oflynnexpress UKIP at 19 on ComRes and 13 on YouGov today. Don't think this was how Lynton's script was supposed to run.
The PB Tories prefer to ignore that, although surely by now they have realised the great job Lynton Crosby is doing for UKIP.
I could be wrong here, but I suspect Crosby's message is aimed at getting results in the May 2015 general election (when the choice his implications) rather than the August 2013 opinion polls (when they don't).
So those Tory activists who've left for UKIP are all coming back are they?
In 2015 with the Lib Dems floundering, they will have a choice, Ed Miliband and a Labour party that are responsible for mass immigration, or David Cameron and a tory party that has cut immigration (probably by 50% come 2015). All but the most swivel eyed of loons will vote tory.
What is the evidence from Labour, and The SNP that 16 year olds in Britain are more politically mature than 16 year olds elsewhere in Europe or other mature democracies. Whole thing smacks of right on desperation.
I can just imagine your post 90 years ago substituting the phrase 16 year olds with the word women .
Instead of sticking to a party line, ask why so many states won't allow the under 18 year olds to vote. What has votes for women got to do with this issue?
It is the same as asking 90/100 years ago why so many states would not allow women to vote .
nonsense,
Are LDs appealing to the politically immature and naive?
I hate to point it out, but, it may effect the leadership ratings, but leadership rating don't win elections .. it's people who vote that win elections and Labours vote is steady.
One of the main benefactors for Labour is the fact that the Lib Dems who crossed over to Labour in 2010 after the coalition was formed are now limpet like with Labour. ... they are sticking with Labour no matter what.
It may not be a resounding endorsement for Ed Miliband, but he doesn't need endorsements, he needs voters, and the most important set of voters at the moment(Lib Dem switchers) are saying the are going to vote Labour.......and they have now said that for three years.
I think that is the key point.
The next election is going to be a fascinating exercise in divided loyalties and human psychology. Roughly speaking, from right to left:
UKIP: committed Kippers or NOTA? UKIP/Tory waverers: Will they hold their nose and vote to keep Labour out? Tory: Are they enthused enough? LD 2010 defectors: Can betrayal be forgiven? Lab: Does Ed enthuse voters? SLAB: Was Brown's Scottishness a factor?
My guess is that, ultimately, we will see a lot of people not voting in this election, as happened to the Tories in 1997. People forget that while Blair added 2m votes, Major lost 4.5m. And the issue for the Tories has been, once people get out of the habit of voting, they realise it doesn't change very much and life goes on. So they are harder to get to the polls next time.
I also don't think that 2015 will be seen as an "existential" election in the same way as 2010 was a competing world view (in perception at least). The Tory theme will be "we've made a good start but need more time" while Labour will be "we're nicer than those horrible Tories"
"Introduce voting at sixteen. We will also allow people to stand for elected office at this age, the stage in life at which they are able to begin full-time work and pay taxes. We will promote the action and habit of participation earlier in life through citizenship education and school councils."
This is the mysterious thing about British politics: Sooner or later all the LibDems' policies get enacted, as long as the LibDems aren't actually in government to enact them.
You could say the same thing about the first Monster Raving Loony manifesto!
Examples include ITV, voting at 18, passports for pets and all day pub openings...
Tim Shipman (Mail) @ShippersUnbound @sunny_hundal Each of them knew how these constructive suggestions would be covered. Privately people are even more doom laden
MG They will probably vote, as long as they are told who to vote for...as we have wirtnessed..the ability to vote does not require one smidgeon of intelligence..
We're talking about 16 and 17-year-olds. They won't vote for who they're told to vote for. Although it may be possible for parents to get them to vote for who they want by telling them _not_ to vote for them.
But it does give teachers a lot of power. Perhaps that's the idea?
EiT Up to a point you are right, reverse pyschology must at all times be an option,,and then the double bluff comes into play..I have two daughters, now proper people. There is of course the crude and simple bribe..that aways seems to work
And of course there's the Me Dad voted Labour, so I do sort.
EiT Up to a point you are right, reverse pyschology must at all times be an option,,and then the double bluff comes into play..I have two daughters, now proper people. There is of course the crude and simple bribe..that aways seems to work
And of course there's the Me Dad voted Labour, so I do sort.
"Introduce voting at sixteen. We will also allow people to stand for elected office at this age, the stage in life at which they are able to begin full-time work and pay taxes. We will promote the action and habit of participation earlier in life through citizenship education and school councils."
This is the mysterious thing about British politics: Sooner or later all the LibDems' policies get enacted, as long as the LibDems aren't actually in government to enact them.
You could say the same thing about the first Monster Raving Loony manifesto!
Examples include ITV, voting at 18, passports for pets and all day pub openings...
You've got to be on the fringe of politcs to get ideas accepted. The two (?) mainstream parties are far too frightened of anything new to formally suggest it!
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Are LDs appealing to the politically immature and naive?
The next election is going to be a fascinating exercise in divided loyalties and human psychology. Roughly speaking, from right to left:
UKIP: committed Kippers or NOTA?
UKIP/Tory waverers: Will they hold their nose and vote to keep Labour out?
Tory: Are they enthused enough?
LD 2010 defectors: Can betrayal be forgiven?
Lab: Does Ed enthuse voters?
SLAB: Was Brown's Scottishness a factor?
My guess is that, ultimately, we will see a lot of people not voting in this election, as happened to the Tories in 1997. People forget that while Blair added 2m votes, Major lost 4.5m. And the issue for the Tories has been, once people get out of the habit of voting, they realise it doesn't change very much and life goes on. So they are harder to get to the polls next time.
I also don't think that 2015 will be seen as an "existential" election in the same way as 2010 was a competing world view (in perception at least). The Tory theme will be "we've made a good start but need more time" while Labour will be "we're nicer than those horrible Tories"
To which the public will respond: MEH!
Examples include ITV, voting at 18, passports for pets and all day pub openings...
@sunny_hundal Each of them knew how these constructive suggestions would be covered. Privately people are even more doom laden