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tlg86

First like Spieth.

Morris_Dancer

Good afternoon, my fellow Moggites.

619

Jacob Rees Mogg? Come of it.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. 619, still a better PM than Corbyn.

Sean_F

JRM is admirable, but I don't see him as a PM.

Recidivist

See it through the eyes of an average person who doesn't obsess over politics. Does Mogg really look more like a PM than Corbyn?

Scrapheap_as_was

tlg86 said:

First like Spieth.

First like Li please! 65-1...

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Recidivist, Morris Dancer does not dumb down. Next you'll be asking me to see classical history through the eyes of Mr. Eagles.

tlg86

Scrapheap_as_was said:

tlg86 said:

First like Spieth.

First like Li please! 65-1...

Spieth and Kuchar not on the clock. Yet.

Scott_P

Recidivist said:

See it through the eyes of an average person who doesn't obsess over politics. Does Mogg really look more like a PM than Corbyn?

No

Given the furore right now over the gender pay gap, and Boots, a man who boasts he has never changed a nappy is not the change the country is looking for

619

Recidivist said:

See it through the eyes of an average person who doesn't obsess over politics. Does Mogg really look more like a PM than Corbyn?

Exactly. Good luck with the Tories trying to persuade votes they arent a bunch of toffs who only care about rich people with Mogg as leader.

No way he gets enough MP votes anyway

kyf_100

For those who aren't down with the kids...

https://www.facebook.com/MoggMemes/?ref=br_rs

rottenborough

Recidivist said:

See it through the eyes of an average person who doesn't obsess over politics. Does Mogg really look more like a PM than Corbyn?

Interestingly, and this is usually forgotten, a key moment for Cameron's campaign was when the Republican pollster Frank Luntz did a focus group for Newsnight. They had, iirc, the leading candidates on a tape and asked people to rate them. Cameron blew the others away and Luntz said he had never seen scores like it.

Would the Moggster pass that test?

I'm not betting too much on him.

Apart from anything else, if he looks like he will run and win, as the time draws near, then surely Ruth Davidson will jump from scotland and save her party?

rottenborough

Scott_P said:

Recidivist said:

See it through the eyes of an average person who doesn't obsess over politics. Does Mogg really look more like a PM than Corbyn?

No

Given the furore right now over the gender pay gap, and Boots, a man who boasts he has never changed a nappy is not the change the country is looking for

Let's hope his team of nannies are on the living wage.

Scott_P

rottenborough said:

Let's hope his team of nannies are on the living wage.

And with no questionable immigration status

DavidL

It is very hard not to believe that this supposed support for JRM is not the sort of redistributive wealth policy that Tories are not supposed to approve of. Are people really that easily parted with their hard earned?

surbiton

rottenborough said:

Recidivist said:

See it through the eyes of an average person who doesn't obsess over politics. Does Mogg really look more like a PM than Corbyn?

Interestingly, and this is usually forgotten, a key moment for Cameron's campaign was when the Republican pollster Frank Luntz did a focus group for Newsnight. They had, iirc, the leading candidates on a tape and asked people to rate them. Cameron blew the others away and Luntz said he had never seen scores like it.

Would the Moggster pass that test?

I'm not betting too much on him.

Apart from anything else, if he looks like he will run and win, as the time draws near, then surely Ruth Davidson will jump from scotland and save her party?

Does Ruth Davidson sound like a PM ?

rottenborough

surbiton said:

rottenborough said:

Recidivist said:

See it through the eyes of an average person who doesn't obsess over politics. Does Mogg really look more like a PM than Corbyn?

Interestingly, and this is usually forgotten, a key moment for Cameron's campaign was when the Republican pollster Frank Luntz did a focus group for Newsnight. They had, iirc, the leading candidates on a tape and asked people to rate them. Cameron blew the others away and Luntz said he had never seen scores like it.

Would the Moggster pass that test?

I'm not betting too much on him.

Apart from anything else, if he looks like he will run and win, as the time draws near, then surely Ruth Davidson will jump from scotland and save her party?

Does Ruth Davidson sound like a PM ?

Dunno. I think, although I don't have evidence, that she connects with people.

I still think May will be there for at least two years, so it is all rather academic at this stage.

Mind you, I've been wrong all through 2017, so...

Alanbrooke

sleazy broken Macron on the slide

popularity drops 10% in June


http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2017/07/23/01016-20170723ARTFIG00026-la-popularite-d-emmanuel-macron-chute-de-10-points-en-juin.php

another_richard

' Twelve summers later '

Or more importantly twelve hundred billion later:

June 2005 government debt £461bn
June 2017 government debt £1,754bn

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/hf6w/pusf

Sean_F

Alanbrooke said:

sleazy broken Macron on the slide

popularity drops 10% in June


http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2017/07/23/01016-20170723ARTFIG00026-la-popularite-d-emmanuel-macron-chute-de-10-points-en-juin.php

When you have a President who compares himself to Jupiter, dispenses with press conferences because journalists are too stupid to understand his profound thoughts, and loses his chief general, that's unsurprising.

Alanbrooke

Sean_F said:

Alanbrooke said:

sleazy broken Macron on the slide

popularity drops 10% in June


http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2017/07/23/01016-20170723ARTFIG00026-la-popularite-d-emmanuel-macron-chute-de-10-points-en-juin.php

When you have a President who compares himself to Jupiter, dispenses with press conferences because journalists are too stupid to understand his profound thoughts, and loses his chief general, that's unsurprising.

yes but he met Donald in July so his ratings should go shooting up

and he hinted most frenchmen are undeserving lazy gits, so he cant be all bad :-)

another_richard

Sean_F said:

Alanbrooke said:

sleazy broken Macron on the slide

popularity drops 10% in June


http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2017/07/23/01016-20170723ARTFIG00026-la-popularite-d-emmanuel-macron-chute-de-10-points-en-juin.php

When you have a President who compares himself to Jupiter, dispenses with press conferences because journalists are too stupid to understand his profound thoughts, and loses his chief general, that's unsurprising.

He's also had several cabinet ministers resign and broken his election promises.

If Donald Trump had a record like that we'd never hear the end of it.

But as they say, every President of the Fifth Republic has been worse than his predecessor.

tlg86

Another Sunday meltdown from Spieth, very entertaining.

Ishmael_Z

619 said:

Recidivist said:

See it through the eyes of an average person who doesn't obsess over politics. Does Mogg really look more like a PM than Corbyn?

Exactly. Good luck with the Tories trying to persuade votes they arent a bunch of toffs who only care about rich people with Mogg as leader.

No way he gets enough MP votes anyway

Forcefully put, as usual.

And how do you feel the first 6 months of Hillary's presidency have gone?

FrancisUrquhart

Alanbrooke said:

sleazy broken Macron on the slide

popularity drops 10% in June


http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2017/07/23/01016-20170723ARTFIG00026-la-popularite-d-emmanuel-macron-chute-de-10-points-en-juin.php

And he hasn't even got cracking at trying to bring French emplpyment law into the 21st Century. Hollande tried the most minor of changes and the people were on the streets for weeks.

Alanbrooke

Ishmael_Z said:

619 said:

Recidivist said:

See it through the eyes of an average person who doesn't obsess over politics. Does Mogg really look more like a PM than Corbyn?

Exactly. Good luck with the Tories trying to persuade votes they arent a bunch of toffs who only care about rich people with Mogg as leader.

No way he gets enough MP votes anyway

Forcefully put, as usual.

And how do you feel the first 6 months of Hillary's presidency have gone?

LOL

FrancisUrquhart

tlg86 said:

Another Sunday meltdown from Spieth, very entertaining.

His tee shot has just missed the middle of the fairway by a mere 120 yards!!!!

tlg86

This is a complete farce at the golf.

FrancisUrquhart

At this rate speith will be taking his drop at the albert docks!

tlg86

FrancisUrquhart said:

tlg86 said:

Another Sunday meltdown from Spieth, very entertaining.

His tee shot has just missed the middle of the fairway by a mere 120 yards!!!!

That's what happens when you block your tee shot right when you're aiming at the right rough.

And a very exciting finish at Lords.

Scrapheap_as_was

Cricket and Golf.

This is FANTASTIC.

DavidL

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Cricket and Golf.

This is FANTASTIC.

India have surely got this unless England bowl them out.

tlg86

England win!

Alanbrooke

DavidL said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Cricket and Golf.

This is FANTASTIC.

India have surely got this unless England bowl them out.

Hurling

Waterford 1-23 Wexford 1-19

#realsport

DavidL

tlg86 said:

England win!

I just can't believe India lost that. They were cruising. What a collapse under pressure!

DavidL

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Cricket and Golf.

This is FANTASTIC.

India have surely got this unless England bowl them out.

Hurling

Waterford 1-23 Wexford 1-19

#realsport

LOL

AndyJS

Feel a bit sorry for India, they were heading for an easy victory only 30 minutes ago.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. L, I had confidence we'd win the moment you said we wouldn't

DavidL

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. L, I had confidence we'd win the moment you said we wouldn't

I did say England had to bowl them out. They didn't get enough runs but they clawed it back. Really good game.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. L, don't deny your powers.

DavidL

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. L, don't deny your powers.

I have been agreeing with Nick that May will survive a lot longer than seems possible at the moment. Should she be (even more) worried?

Morris_Dancer

Mr. L, she may not survive the week.

DavidL

I am not really into Golf but Spieth is something else.

malcolmg

rottenborough said:

Recidivist said:

See it through the eyes of an average person who doesn't obsess over politics. Does Mogg really look more like a PM than Corbyn?

Interestingly, and this is usually forgotten, a key moment for Cameron's campaign was when the Republican pollster Frank Luntz did a focus group for Newsnight. They had, iirc, the leading candidates on a tape and asked people to rate them. Cameron blew the others away and Luntz said he had never seen scores like it.

Would the Moggster pass that test?

I'm not betting too much on him.

Apart from anything else, if he looks like he will run and win, as the time draws near, then surely Ruth Davidson will jump from scotland and save her party?

If Captain Mainwaring is the answer the Tories are well F*****D

malcolmg

rottenborough said:

surbiton said:

rottenborough said:

Recidivist said:

See it through the eyes of an average person who doesn't obsess over politics. Does Mogg really look more like a PM than Corbyn?

Interestingly, and this is usually forgotten, a key moment for Cameron's campaign was when the Republican pollster Frank Luntz did a focus group for Newsnight. They had, iirc, the leading candidates on a tape and asked people to rate them. Cameron blew the others away and Luntz said he had never seen scores like it.

Would the Moggster pass that test?

I'm not betting too much on him.

Apart from anything else, if he looks like he will run and win, as the time draws near, then surely Ruth Davidson will jump from scotland and save her party?

Does Ruth Davidson sound like a PM ?

Dunno. I think, although I don't have evidence, that she connects with people.

I still think May will be there for at least two years, so it is all rather academic at this stage.

Mind you, I've been wrong all through 2017, so...

She is a self aggrandising donkey of the first order. People on here are easily deluded.
PS: just in case I understated, she is fec***g useless.

Alanbrooke

malcolmg said:

rottenborough said:

Recidivist said:

See it through the eyes of an average person who doesn't obsess over politics. Does Mogg really look more like a PM than Corbyn?

Interestingly, and this is usually forgotten, a key moment for Cameron's campaign was when the Republican pollster Frank Luntz did a focus group for Newsnight. They had, iirc, the leading candidates on a tape and asked people to rate them. Cameron blew the others away and Luntz said he had never seen scores like it.

Would the Moggster pass that test?

I'm not betting too much on him.

Apart from anything else, if he looks like he will run and win, as the time draws near, then surely Ruth Davidson will jump from scotland and save her party?

If Captain Mainwaring is the answer the Tories are well F*****D

ooooh angram malc

seven letters begins with F ends with D

founded ?
flaired ?

malcolmg

Alanbrooke said:

malcolmg said:

rottenborough said:

Recidivist said:

See it through the eyes of an average person who doesn't obsess over politics. Does Mogg really look more like a PM than Corbyn?

Interestingly, and this is usually forgotten, a key moment for Cameron's campaign was when the Republican pollster Frank Luntz did a focus group for Newsnight. They had, iirc, the leading candidates on a tape and asked people to rate them. Cameron blew the others away and Luntz said he had never seen scores like it.

Would the Moggster pass that test?

I'm not betting too much on him.

Apart from anything else, if he looks like he will run and win, as the time draws near, then surely Ruth Davidson will jump from scotland and save her party?

If Captain Mainwaring is the answer the Tories are well F*****D

ooooh angram malc

seven letters begins with F ends with D

founded ?
flaired ?

Many more similar words could be added Alan. Hard to believe the deluded dimwits on here, Trump is a better politician.

tlg86

DavidL said:

I am not really into Golf but Spieth is something else.

I think he's a very undeserving champion after that farce on 13.

Alanbrooke

malcolmg said:

Alanbrooke said:

malcolmg said:

rottenborough said:

Recidivist said:

See it through the eyes of an average person who doesn't obsess over politics. Does Mogg really look more like a PM than Corbyn?

Interestingly, and this is usually forgotten, a key moment for Cameron's campaign was when the Republican pollster Frank Luntz did a focus group for Newsnight. They had, iirc, the leading candidates on a tape and asked people to rate them. Cameron blew the others away and Luntz said he had never seen scores like it.

Would the Moggster pass that test?

I'm not betting too much on him.

Apart from anything else, if he looks like he will run and win, as the time draws near, then surely Ruth Davidson will jump from scotland and save her party?

If Captain Mainwaring is the answer the Tories are well F*****D

ooooh angram malc

seven letters begins with F ends with D

founded ?
flaired ?

Many more similar words could be added Alan. Hard to believe the deluded dimwits on here, Trump is a better politician.

Im waiting to see how wee Mrs McTurnip ducks out of backing Catalan independence

GeoffM

malcolmg said:

rottenborough said:

Recidivist said:

See it through the eyes of an average person who doesn't obsess over politics. Does Mogg really look more like a PM than Corbyn?

Interestingly, and this is usually forgotten, a key moment for Cameron's campaign was when the Republican pollster Frank Luntz did a focus group for Newsnight. They had, iirc, the leading candidates on a tape and asked people to rate them. Cameron blew the others away and Luntz said he had never seen scores like it.

Would the Moggster pass that test?

I'm not betting too much on him.

Apart from anything else, if he looks like he will run and win, as the time draws near, then surely Ruth Davidson will jump from scotland and save her party?

If Captain Mainwaring is the answer the Tories are well F*****D

Finland!

[Monty Python: Finland song}
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baHsoEAAMZU

Scrapheap_as_was

DavidL said:

I am not really into Golf but Spieth is something else.

He touched 3-1 on Betfair during the 13th hole half-hour farce, I nearly hedged to back him then but was distracted by the cricket..... his response in the holes since that one has been hugely impressive.

SandyRentool

If David Davis is the answer, you're asking the wrong question.

If the Moggster is the answer, you're asking the wrong question and the person answering has just spent the afternoon on the drink.

GIN1138

SandyRentool said:

If David Davis is the answer, you're asking the wrong question.

If the Moggster is the answer, you're asking the wrong question and the person answering has just spent the afternoon on the drink.

Morris_Dancer

Just been talking to mother. Seems granddad was at Dunkirk. He never talked about it, though.

GIN1138

I want JRM to become leader just so we can actually see a general election campaign of Jacob Vs Jezza!

It would be the most entertaining election in decades...

geoffw

GIN1138 said:

I want JRM to become leader just so we can actually see a general election campaign of Jacob Vs Jezza!

It would be the most entertaining election in decades...

Jeremy Hunt for Jezza vs Jezza !

tlg86

GIN1138 said:

I want JRM to become leader just so we can actually see a general election campaign of Jacob Vs Jezza!

It would be the most entertaining election in decades...

Not least because Jezza would be expected to walk it.

Benpointer

geoffw said:

GIN1138 said:

I want JRM to become leader just so we can actually see a general election campaign of Jacob Vs Jezza!

It would be the most entertaining election in decades...

Jeremy Hunt for Jezza vs Jezza !

There's only one Jezza!

tlg86

"And the BBC is very much public sector."

I agree with Jez!

Very irresponsible reporting from Sky News on the BBC gender pay gap. I'd expect Matt Baker to get paid a decent amount for his Countryfile work. Never work with animals and all that.

williamglenn

Benpointer said:

geoffw said:

GIN1138 said:

I want JRM to become leader just so we can actually see a general election campaign of Jacob Vs Jezza!

It would be the most entertaining election in decades...

Jeremy Hunt for Jezza vs Jezza !

There's only one Jezza!

One Vince Cable.
There's only one Vince Cable.

foxinsoxuk

DavidL said:

It is very hard not to believe that this supposed support for JRM is not the sort of redistributive wealth policy that Tories are not supposed to approve of. Are people really that easily parted with their hard earned?

I have been for lunch today with Granny and Granpa Fox. She has been a lifelong Tory member, and Grandpa more recently a kipper. I manged to keep the subject off Politics and Brexit until pudding, when they both came out for Mogg. This surprised me a bit as Granny Fox is a true loyalist and never opposes a sitting leader, and Grandpa Fox hates public school toffs.

Following on from my Isle of Wight Uncle, who came out for Mogg on Facebook with his first ever political post a few weeks back, I think there really is sometbing to this Moggmentum. I think that he will get to the final 2 via the MPs, then win in the party vote, particularly with the over Seventies. I bought earlier at 28, so not topping up at these prices, but neither am I laying.

Note: I do generally poorly on leadership contests though. They are tough contests to assess, as members are different to activists and different again to voters.

Scott_P

@chrisdeerin: We may have to deploy The Ruth earlier than planned, simply to avoid the entire World Council agreeing to nuke us https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/889150671110512641

Morris_Dancer

Breaking, attack on Israeli embassy in Jordan:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40700467

surbiton

Scott_P said:

@chrisdeerin: We may have to deploy The Ruth earlier than planned, simply to avoid the entire World Council agreeing to nuke us https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/889150671110512641

Is the Moggster our Trump ?

SandyRentool

Perhaps a load of lefty entryists could join the Conservatives to vote for Moggy?

They'd be buggered if he didn't make the final two though.

FF43

Politics is going through a weird patch. It was always supposed to be the Art of the Possible. Now with Brexit, Corbyn and possibly Rees-Mogg, it's never mind that, we want the Art of Fantasy.

Scott_P

surbiton said:

Is the Moggster our Trump ?

Owen Jones is our Sean Spicer

williamglenn

surbiton said:

Scott_P said:

@chrisdeerin: We may have to deploy The Ruth earlier than planned, simply to avoid the entire World Council agreeing to nuke us https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/889150671110512641

Is the Moggster our Trump ?

To be fair, Rees-Mogg could probably simultaneously patronise and flatter Trump better than anyone.

geoffw

surbiton said:

Scott_P said:

@chrisdeerin: We may have to deploy The Ruth earlier than planned, simply to avoid the entire World Council agreeing to nuke us https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/889150671110512641

Is the Moggster our Trump ?

Whatever. He's a card anyway.

welshowl

There was me thinking the old Etonian might be Kwarsi Kwarteng. What are his odds by the way?

surbiton

another_richard said:

' Twelve summers later '

Or more importantly twelve hundred billion later:

June 2005 government debt £461bn
June 2017 government debt £1,754bn

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/hf6w/pusf

Seven years of Tory rule !

RobD

surbiton said:

another_richard said:

' Twelve summers later '

Or more importantly twelve hundred billion later:

June 2005 government debt £461bn
June 2017 government debt £1,754bn

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/hf6w/pusf

Seven years of Tory rule !

Would Labour have cut the deficit harder then?

williamglenn

As we all know, Brexit will be negotiated in an afternoon with Merkel as soon as her election is out of the way. This conveniently falls one week before the Tory party conference, so there is time for David Davis to make a dramatic appearance in triumph after flying in with a piece of paper signed by the German Chancellor.

GeoffM

SandyRentool said:

Perhaps a load of lefty entryists could join the Conservatives to vote for Moggy?

They'd be buggered if he didn't make the final two though.

Plus the full £25 membership fee would be sweet.

None of these £3 japes.

surbiton

GeoffM said:

SandyRentool said:

Perhaps a load of lefty entryists could join the Conservatives to vote for Moggy?

They'd be buggered if he didn't make the final two though.

Plus the full £25 membership fee would be sweet.

None of these £3 japes.

I will pay £25 to have a 19th century gentleman as the leader of the Tory Party and possibly a Prime Minister straightaway.

surbiton

RobD said:

surbiton said:

another_richard said:

' Twelve summers later '

Or more importantly twelve hundred billion later:

June 2005 government debt £461bn
June 2017 government debt £1,754bn

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/hf6w/pusf

Seven years of Tory rule !

Would Labour have cut the deficit harder then?

Of course, the growth would have been far greater and tax receipts far more. Easy peasy !

IanB2

No

IanB2

foxinsoxuk said:

DavidL said:

It is very hard not to believe that this supposed support for JRM is not the sort of redistributive wealth policy that Tories are not supposed to approve of. Are people really that easily parted with their hard earned?

I have been for lunch today with Granny and Granpa Fox. She has been a lifelong Tory member, and Grandpa more recently a kipper. I manged to keep the subject off Politics and Brexit until pudding, when they both came out for Mogg. This surprised me a bit as Granny Fox is a true loyalist and never opposes a sitting leader, and Grandpa Fox hates public school toffs.

Following on from my Isle of Wight Uncle, who came out for Mogg on Facebook with his first ever political post a few weeks back, I think there really is sometbing to this Moggmentum. I think that he will get to the final 2 via the MPs, then win in the party vote, particularly with the over Seventies. I bought earlier at 28, so not topping up at these prices, but neither am I laying.

Note: I do generally poorly on leadership contests though. They are tough contests to assess, as members are different to activists and different again to voters.

The MPs won't put him into the top two.

Benpointer

IanB2 said:

foxinsoxuk said:

DavidL said:

It is very hard not to believe that this supposed support for JRM is not the sort of redistributive wealth policy that Tories are not supposed to approve of. Are people really that easily parted with their hard earned?

I have been for lunch today with Granny and Granpa Fox. She has been a lifelong Tory member, and Grandpa more recently a kipper. I manged to keep the subject off Politics and Brexit until pudding, when they both came out for Mogg. This surprised me a bit as Granny Fox is a true loyalist and never opposes a sitting leader, and Grandpa Fox hates public school toffs.

Following on from my Isle of Wight Uncle, who came out for Mogg on Facebook with his first ever political post a few weeks back, I think there really is sometbing to this Moggmentum. I think that he will get to the final 2 via the MPs, then win in the party vote, particularly with the over Seventies. I bought earlier at 28, so not topping up at these prices, but neither am I laying.

Note: I do generally poorly on leadership contests though. They are tough contests to assess, as members are different to activists and different again to voters.

The MPs won't put him into the top two.

I wouldn't be so sure - Tory MPs like nothing better than a bandwagon to jump on. Remember, Leadsom would be PM now if she hadn't self-destructed.

williamglenn

IanB2 said:

foxinsoxuk said:

DavidL said:

It is very hard not to believe that this supposed support for JRM is not the sort of redistributive wealth policy that Tories are not supposed to approve of. Are people really that easily parted with their hard earned?

I have been for lunch today with Granny and Granpa Fox. She has been a lifelong Tory member, and Grandpa more recently a kipper. I manged to keep the subject off Politics and Brexit until pudding, when they both came out for Mogg. This surprised me a bit as Granny Fox is a true loyalist and never opposes a sitting leader, and Grandpa Fox hates public school toffs.

Following on from my Isle of Wight Uncle, who came out for Mogg on Facebook with his first ever political post a few weeks back, I think there really is sometbing to this Moggmentum. I think that he will get to the final 2 via the MPs, then win in the party vote, particularly with the over Seventies. I bought earlier at 28, so not topping up at these prices, but neither am I laying.

Note: I do generally poorly on leadership contests though. They are tough contests to assess, as members are different to activists and different again to voters.

The MPs won't put him into the top two.

It would be delicious if, in a repeat of 2001, the leading Brexit candidate lent some votes to an arch Remainer who was considered to have no chance with the members, but for the final result to be reversed.

Who could be the Ken Clarke of 2017?

tlg86

Including Bercow there are 318 Tory MPs. What would happen if three candidates had 106 votes each?

Benpointer

SandyRentool said:

Perhaps a load of lefty entryists could join the Conservatives to vote for Moggy?

They'd be buggered if he didn't make the final two though.

I suspect most Corbynistas would rather May struggled on to fight the next GE. Failing that one of the tired old crew, not JRM.

GeoffM

tlg86 said:

Including Bercow there are 318 Tory MPs. What would happen if three candidates had 106 votes each?

Impossible. If he was eligible to take part ... his ego would force him to stand and he would get 1 vote.

106, 106, 105 ,1

DecrepitJohnL

RobD said:

surbiton said:

another_richard said:

' Twelve summers later '

Or more importantly twelve hundred billion later:

June 2005 government debt £461bn
June 2017 government debt £1,754bn

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/hf6w/pusf

Seven years of Tory rule !

Would Labour have cut the deficit harder then?

Yes -- by economic growth increasing the tax take and reducing benefits payments. Austerity makes things worse.

GeoffM

DecrepitJohnL said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

another_richard said:

' Twelve summers later '

Or more importantly twelve hundred billion later:

June 2005 government debt £461bn
June 2017 government debt £1,754bn

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/hf6w/pusf

Seven years of Tory rule !

Would Labour have cut the deficit harder then?

Yes -- by economic growth increasing the tax take and reducing benefits payments. Austerity makes things worse.

No Labour govt has ever left office with unemployment lower than when they started,

NorthofStoke

DecrepitJohnL said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

another_richard said:

' Twelve summers later '

Or more importantly twelve hundred billion later:

June 2005 government debt £461bn
June 2017 government debt £1,754bn

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/hf6w/pusf

Seven years of Tory rule !

Would Labour have cut the deficit harder then?

Yes -- by economic growth increasing the tax take and reducing benefits payments. Austerity makes things worse.

If it sounds too good to be true then it probably is.

Benpointer

GeoffM said:

DecrepitJohnL said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

another_richard said:

' Twelve summers later '

Or more importantly twelve hundred billion later:

June 2005 government debt £461bn
June 2017 government debt £1,754bn

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/hf6w/pusf

Seven years of Tory rule !

Would Labour have cut the deficit harder then?

Yes -- by economic growth increasing the tax take and reducing benefits payments. Austerity makes things worse.

No Labour govt has ever left office with unemployment lower than when they started,

I think you'll find the average unemployment rate has been much higher under Tory governments than under Labour.

foxinsoxuk

Benpointer said:

IanB2 said:

foxinsoxuk said:

DavidL said:

It is very hard not to believe that this supposed support for JRM is not the sort of redistributive wealth policy that Tories are not supposed to approve of. Are people really that easily parted with their hard earned?

I have been for lunch today with Granny and Granpa Fox. She has been a lifelong Tory member, and Grandpa more recently a kipper. I manged to keep the subject off Politics and Brexit until pudding, when they both came out for Mogg. This surprised me a bit as Granny Fox is a true loyalist and never opposes a sitting leader, and Grandpa Fox hates public school toffs.

Following on from my Isle of Wight Uncle, who came out for Mogg on Facebook with his first ever political post a few weeks back, I think there really is sometbing to this Moggmentum. I think that he will get to the final 2 via the MPs, then win in the party vote, particularly with the over Seventies. I bought earlier at 28, so not topping up at these prices, but neither am I laying.

Note: I do generally poorly on leadership contests though. They are tough contests to assess, as members are different to activists and different again to voters.

The MPs won't put him into the top two.

I wouldn't be so sure - Tory MPs like nothing better than a bandwagon to jump on. Remember, Leadsom would be PM now if she hadn't self-destructed.

I think JRM would gain the Fox and Leadsome votes, but key would be whether David Davis stood too. There would be a less hardline candidate too, but hard to know who, and how the votes would split.

Sunil_Prasannan

Jacob's Technicolour Dream Chart

RobD

DecrepitJohnL said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

another_richard said:

' Twelve summers later '

Or more importantly twelve hundred billion later:

June 2005 government debt £461bn
June 2017 government debt £1,754bn

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/hf6w/pusf

Seven years of Tory rule !

Would Labour have cut the deficit harder then?

Yes -- by economic growth increasing the tax take and reducing benefits payments. Austerity makes things worse.

Wasn't Darling planning to cut more than Osborne did?

Peter_the_Punter

foxinsoxuk said:

DavidL said:

It is very hard not to believe that this supposed support for JRM is not the sort of redistributive wealth policy that Tories are not supposed to approve of. Are people really that easily parted with their hard earned?

I have been for lunch today with Granny and Granpa Fox. She has been a lifelong Tory member, and Grandpa more recently a kipper. I manged to keep the subject off Politics and Brexit until pudding, when they both came out for Mogg. This surprised me a bit as Granny Fox is a true loyalist and never opposes a sitting leader, and Grandpa Fox hates public school toffs.

Following on from my Isle of Wight Uncle, who came out for Mogg on Facebook with his first ever political post a few weeks back, I think there really is sometbing to this Moggmentum. I think that he will get to the final 2 via the MPs, then win in the party vote, particularly with the over Seventies. I bought earlier at 28, so not topping up at these prices, but neither am I laying.

Note: I do generally poorly on leadership contests though. They are tough contests to assess, as members are different to activists and different again to voters.

What exactly did you put in the pudding, Foxy?

DecrepitJohnL

RobD said:

DecrepitJohnL said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

another_richard said:

' Twelve summers later '

Or more importantly twelve hundred billion later:

June 2005 government debt £461bn
June 2017 government debt £1,754bn

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/hf6w/pusf

Seven years of Tory rule !

Would Labour have cut the deficit harder then?

Yes -- by economic growth increasing the tax take and reducing benefits payments. Austerity makes things worse.

Wasn't Darling planning to cut more than Osborne did?

No but he was planning to cut the deficit faster than Osborne achieved, but then so was Osborne.

rcs1000

another_richard said:

Sean_F said:

Alanbrooke said:

sleazy broken Macron on the slide

popularity drops 10% in June


http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2017/07/23/01016-20170723ARTFIG00026-la-popularite-d-emmanuel-macron-chute-de-10-points-en-juin.php

When you have a President who compares himself to Jupiter, dispenses with press conferences because journalists are too stupid to understand his profound thoughts, and loses his chief general, that's unsurprising.

He's also had several cabinet ministers resign and broken his election promises.

If Donald Trump had a record like that we'd never hear the end of it.

But as they say, every President of the Fifth Republic has been worse than his predecessor.

Didn't he get rid of his cabinet ministers because they'd historically fiddled their expenses? I would have thought that would be something we would praise a leader for, whether Trump, May or Macron.

MaxPB

The Guardian have a hatchet job on JRM today so the left seem to fear him. I'm not sure but he is a top class debater and incredibly sharp. He'd be different from the bland politicians we're used to.

surbiton

MaxPB said:

The Guardian have a hatchet job on JRM today so the left seem to fear him. I'm not sure but he is a top class debater and incredibly sharp. He'd be different from the bland politicians we're used to.

Ha Ha Ha !

surbiton

foxinsoxuk said:

Benpointer said:

IanB2 said:

foxinsoxuk said:

DavidL said:

It is very hard not to believe that this supposed support for JRM is not the sort of redistributive wealth policy that Tories are not supposed to approve of. Are people really that easily parted with their hard earned?

I have been for lunch today with Granny and Granpa Fox. She has been a lifelong Tory member, and Grandpa more recently a kipper. I manged to keep the subject off Politics and Brexit until pudding, when they both came out for Mogg. This surprised me a bit as Granny Fox is a true loyalist and never opposes a sitting leader, and Grandpa Fox hates public school toffs.

Following on from my Isle of Wight Uncle, who came out for Mogg on Facebook with his first ever political post a few weeks back, I think there really is sometbing to this Moggmentum. I think that he will get to the final 2 via the MPs, then win in the party vote, particularly with the over Seventies. I bought earlier at 28, so not topping up at these prices, but neither am I laying.

Note: I do generally poorly on leadership contests though. They are tough contests to assess, as members are different to activists and different again to voters.

The MPs won't put him into the top two.

I wouldn't be so sure - Tory MPs like nothing better than a bandwagon to jump on. Remember, Leadsom would be PM now if she hadn't self-destructed.

I think JRM would gain the Fox and Leadsome votes, but key would be whether David Davis stood too. There would be a less hardline candidate too, but hard to know who, and how the votes would split.

Those who have backed him, lay him. He will never even be a candidate.

surbiton

GeoffM said:

DecrepitJohnL said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

another_richard said:

' Twelve summers later '

Or more importantly twelve hundred billion later:

June 2005 government debt £461bn
June 2017 government debt £1,754bn

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/hf6w/pusf

Seven years of Tory rule !

Would Labour have cut the deficit harder then?

Yes -- by economic growth increasing the tax take and reducing benefits payments. Austerity makes things worse.

No Labour govt has ever left office with unemployment lower than when they started,

In the last 7 years, the Tories have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together since 1945 !

RobD

surbiton said:

GeoffM said:

DecrepitJohnL said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

another_richard said:

' Twelve summers later '

Or more importantly twelve hundred billion later:

June 2005 government debt £461bn
June 2017 government debt £1,754bn

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/hf6w/pusf

Seven years of Tory rule !

Would Labour have cut the deficit harder then?

Yes -- by economic growth increasing the tax take and reducing benefits payments. Austerity makes things worse.

No Labour govt has ever left office with unemployment lower than when they started,

In the last 7 years, the Tories have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together since 1945 !

Yeah, because everything was peachy in 2010.

Danny565

NorthofStoke said:

DecrepitJohnL said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

another_richard said:

' Twelve summers later '

Or more importantly twelve hundred billion later:

June 2005 government debt £461bn
June 2017 government debt £1,754bn

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/hf6w/pusf

Seven years of Tory rule !

Would Labour have cut the deficit harder then?

Yes -- by economic growth increasing the tax take and reducing benefits payments. Austerity makes things worse.

If it sounds too good to be true then it probably is.

Yes, too good to be true, a bit like people who claim that cutting tax rates somehow results in increased tax revenues.