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In a week’s time, our MPs will have packed up for the Summer recess and will be settling down to their traditional pass-times of making pleasantries at constituency events, exposing bad taste in casual dress, and long-distance plotting. By the time they return on a full-time basis (they pop back for a week in September before conference season), more than a quarter of the time set aside for Britain’s Brexit negotiations with the EU will have passed.
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That's all Cameron needed. Would be surprised if it was offered though.
Meanwhile, I see that Macron and Trump had the longest handshake ever yesterday.
In any case - this surely won't be that hard to sort out - some kind of associate membership can surely be reached...
I'd like it all to be over one way or another, the constant carping is unbearable.
I won't be keeping up with any of the events either, as today's Mrs Sandpit's birthday so more important things take priority!
I don’t recall the position of Euratim being discussed...... if discussion is the right word for much that went on then .... during the referendum campaign. If it had been, and the consequences explained, I wonder if the million of so votes which swung it would have voted the way they did.
I’m glad I’m soon to start radiotherapy, not expecting it in 18 months or so!
"The Macron victory changes the political dynamics of Europe. The members of the Euro zone will integrate economic decision-making. Inevitably, therefore, Europe will comprise an inner and outer circle. Reform is now on Europe’s agenda. The European leaders, certainly from my discussions, are willing to consider changes to accommodate Britain, including around freedom of movement."
http://institute.global/news/brexit-and-centre
Blair, Cameron and others did not make it clear where they wanted Britain to be had we remained in the EU. Further integration based on use of the Euro, is a 'reform' which changes UK's relationship with Brussels, is that really in the UK's interest? Brexit can be viewed as an extreme policy, but so too can pursuit of political integration with full monetary, and fiscal union.
F1: qualifying today. Bottas has a five place grid penalty for a gearbox change. Odd that Mercedes is the team suffering with reliability more than Ferrari.
Meanwhile, man who threw away half the rebate comments on free movement and how flexible the EU could be:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40615119
I was thinking more of those who should be engaging with the process instead complaining about it in public, with headlines like "Brexit Will Give You Cancer" as we saw last week.
But honestly it is a very small piece of the overall Brexit puzzle - I'm not surprised it didn't come up, and I doubt it would have swung many votes.
@dr_spyn Er, I didn't see anyone predicting that there would be any protests in France. You don't have to go out and protest in order not to be a fan of Trump.
http://institute.global/news/brexit-and-centre
Unfortunately, it was written by Tony Blair so will be dismissed completely by both the Tories and Labour.
One point which has the ring of absolute truth:
Mr Blair said Labour's vision of a "jobs first" Brexit outside the single market was a "contradiction in terms".
"So when people blithely say, 'We will get roughly the same terms as we do now with the single market,' I literally know no-one in the European system who believes this," he wrote.
The Royal Colleges and the DoH have clearly got this on their radar (so to speak!), and the tabloid hysteria and scaremongering adds way more heat than light to the debate.
The general public will be wondering how the rest of the world's hospitals manage to cope perfectly well outside Euratom.
Our poll shows people want change and by large numbers and in all three countries. Years of austerity and an acute sense of an elite separated from the rest has led to a belief that the promise of generational progress has ended. This generation believes it has done better than the last. But it does not believe the next generation will do better than them.
That is the market of anxiety in which the populists peddle quack solutions.
But the poll also shows that support for the centre stays strong. People will default to populism when a radical centre is not on offer; where it is, they will vote it in, as Macron has shown.
I am not advocating a new Party. Quite apart from the desirability of such a thing, our political system puts formidable barriers in its path.
In any event, as a member of the Labour Party of over 40 years standing, I want the Labour Party to capture this ground.
But there are millions of politically homeless in Britain. They are not going to wander the by-ways of politics, bedding down uncomfortably, forever, not with their country in the dire shape it is in.
The challenge for the centre is to be the place of changing the status quo not managing it.
If it does, it still beats everything else.
What the progressive centre lacks is a radical policy agenda.
You might think this is an obvious point, but it isn't one I have heard anyone on government talking about.
A further caveat on the link you post - polling research was conducted by Luntz Global Partners...
Schultz is not just an arch-Europhile, he has also given every indication of being an arch-Anglophobe.
Though the idea that Labour is likely to become the party of the radical centre any time soon is utterly risible.
I said some weeks ago that if the EU actually wanted us to remain they'd have to throw some red meat (other countries are not in a position to try and leave as easily [yes, yes, I'm aware it's difficult for us to actually escape the tentacles, but far harder for other countries]) so the risk of a repetition elsewhere is unlikely.
A few billion added to the rebate could've done it, but a major reform on free movement would but as significant.
Blair's baggage sinks his arguments with most (or many, at least) people from the outset.
In the most laughable scenario ever they are now quoting Tony Blair's advice on Brexit and the EU. Errrh, he was wheeled out in June of last year - tell me how that worked out.
In my exchanges with Corbynistas, I've learned that many of them see centrism as this utterly evil ideology.
This site had degenerated into a non thinking playground for tribalists.
The headlines of the past week or two, however, just look from afar like the last acts of desperation by the hardcore Remainers to try and shift public opinion against Brexit.
She lacks completely the necessary tools of public politics.
http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=radar;sess=
If both major parties continue in their current direction, the appetite for a new centre will grow (probably not to be satisfied by the LibDems).
Joe Bloggs just sees a bunch of highly paid public servants complaining, rather than getting on with their job of implementing the decision the electorate gave them.
That, to me, seems like the likely way out of this morass. If the EU changed their FoM rules for all countries and not just the UK, then it would be a significant change of circumstances that could be put to the electorate, with some justification, asking them to vote again.
a further caveat. its a poll, and unlikely to represent the correct views of the population.
Mr. G, must disagree. Inertia, as Brown showed, is a powerful force. A change on that basis requires swift consensus amongst the EU27, which seems unlikely, then agreement by the UK Parliament, which is possible but also unlikely, then the UK electorate voting and changing their minds (possibly the easiest part of this, although it would also serve to entrench division).
An interesting formulation.
But instead she turned into THE arch Brexiteer. A decision which was catastrophic for both herself and her party and left the country divided and rudderless.
The question whch will have historians scratching their heads is why? Was it a genuine damascene conversion? Did she come under a Notradamus like influence? After 40 years did she suddenly lose her political nous? Was she taken in by Boris's bus? Was she worried about playing second fiddle to Merkel? Did someone mistake her for a Turk at school?
It's a mystery.
I now think Brexit will take place thanks to bureaucratic inertia. The boulder is already rolling!
Change that and everything is up for debate. Keep it, and the project will eventually fail because it will alienate the big powers. It's already alienated us.
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/13120104
These posters have lost the plot.
This will be enough to see them through at least the next two years. And there are only so many by-elections that can take place within that period - not enough to topple them.
They need to calm down, get a grip, and focus on doing a professional job.
The argument has to be to rejoin Euratom, as leaving it was triggered with the serving of article 50. (I'd be in favour of that personally)
Am I missing something here ?
That's not something the EU's supporters seem likely to concede any ground on.