Mr. Evershed, a religious position is not a faith. Tell me what an atheist believes in.
The absence of belief is not belief, it's the very opposite. I have a football position, which is that I don't care very much about it. Your argument is that this makes me a football fan.
An atheist believes there is no God.
Do atheists agree on the idea of there being an infinite number of multiverses, in at least one of which there is a God who is God of all multiverses?
Uh... Why would they?
Because it's quite uncontroversial, and not contradicted by any physics, to think that there could be other universes. And if there are others then the logical number of them is an infinite number, since why would there be two or fifteen or a million. And thus there must exist a universe in which God does exist and in which he created all universes.
I don't think that necessarily follows. An infinity of universes can still only include possible things.
What's impossible about God?
By which I mean, what prevents God from existing, eg in another universe whose properties we cannot observe? If nothing prevents this (which is what we have to conclude), and there exist infinite universes (because what limits the number?), then not only does God exist in an infinity of universes, but also, within that infinity, there are universes in which God exists in that universe as well as in all the others.
Obviously I don't really believe all this crap, but it isn't any worse crap than blind scientism.
Yes.
scientism thought or expression regarded as characteristic of scientists. excessive belief in the power of scientific knowledge and techniques.
Science is the method by which we find out about life, the universe and everything. Peer review and experiment mean it is the best method for doing this. Or, you could have 'faith' I suppose.
Science =/= scientism
That's the point I was making, following your 'but it isn't any worse crap than blind scientism.' comment. Although is there such a thing as 'EXCESSIVE (my caps) belief in the power of scientific knowledge and techniques.' Surely the scientific method is the best method we have.
Is there a parallel universe where Theresa May won a stonking majority, and Nick Timothy is lord of all he surveys?
No.
What about one where George Osborne is PM, the most popular since Churchill, and you are not only his Willie, but also his fashion advisor and closest confidant?
Churchill wasn't very popular at various stages of his career.
I'm writing a George Osborne themed thread for Sunday.
I fear quite a few PBers will need sedating.
If you were being in any way honest then it would start with the line:
"Any reasonable reading of the last few months would have to come to the conclusion that most of the problems now being experienced by Mrs May owe their origins to her former cabinet colleague George Osborne and his manifold failings as Chancellor."
Nonsense.
The YouGov model showed the Tories were on course for a majority of 70 until Mrs May and Nick Timothy worked their magic on social care changes.
I thought the yougov model was launched after the manifesto & SC cap?
Anyway, it wasn't the social care stuff wot kaboshed TM's majority. It was the u-turn.
If anything, she needed to go much harder on older retirees with significant property wealth;
The intergenerational stuff was all fart and no follow through. She could have reshaped conservatism for a new generation, winning votes where she needed them and losing them where she didn't.
Pardon me for not having appreciated the distinction between apartments being "deliberately kept empty" and unoccupied apartments.
I mean, it must be so common for people to inadvertently keep luxury apartments empty at the cost of God knows how many tens of thousands a year.
I do realise the rich are different, and they routinely do things that are quite incomprehensible to the rest of us mere mortals.
You are being idiotic.
No. If you read the discussion here, you must know how much scorn was poured on the idea that this number of empty luxury flats would be available locally to rehouse those who lost their homes in the Grenfell Tower. You can be as abusive as you like, but that's a fact.
Of course, if these aren't really luxury flats, as they were described in the comment I was replying to, but empty social housing, then that makes things different. In that case it remains to be seen whether - if the continuance of Theresa May's brilliant career depended on it - alternative accommodation would be found!
Nope, incorrect. All multiverses stem from the initial point of as perceived from your own multiverse. There cannot be a creator in one and not in others. All things stem from one point of infinite density and infinite energy.
This belief requires faith in the properties of multiverses, for which there is no direct evidence.
So whether you accept or not that there's an infinite number of multiverses, in at least one of which there is a God who is God of all multiverses, you're expressing faith either way.
The physics of multiverses is reasonably understood. It's science, not faith.
So in that case there must either be evidence available that other universes exist, or an acceptance that this is impossible to provide, in which case the "understanding" that they do is based on reasoning and not evidence.
How is that different from religious faith?
Not at all. You can't see mathematics but it's a truth. There is mathematical evidence of the possibility of multiverses, there is no mathematical evidence of the possibility of God. Nor could there be.
Newton thought differently. To take a more modern example of his logic, why shouldn't essentially random natural events - the precise moment of the nuclear decay of atoms, for example - be regarded as the direct intervention of god (or of a god) in the universe?
Because they are essentially random ?
Theists have sought for centuries to seek refuge in bits of the universe for which science doesn't have an adequate explanation. As the explicatory power of science expands, they shift their position, after denying it for a time.
And yet something must trigger them at the given precise moment that it happens. And while an individual decay might be 'essentially random', the atoms of a given isotope nonetheless conform collectively to a predictable pattern.
But the original point was that there was "no mathematical evidence of the possibility of God. Nor could there be", and I simply contend that such an assertion is not true. While there might not be any evidence of God, there is evidence of the possibility of God (or gods), which simply requires an unexplained phenomenon that exhibits mathematical characteristics and which might be explicable by the intervention of powers unknown and unknowable.
For what it's worth, I think it's nonsense but all the same, unless disproved then the possibility must be admitted.
Is there a parallel universe where Theresa May won a stonking majority, and Nick Timothy is lord of all he surveys?
No.
What about one where George Osborne is PM, the most popular since Churchill, and you are not only his Willie, but also his fashion advisor and closest confidant?
Churchill wasn't very popular at various stages of his career.
I'm writing a George Osborne themed thread for Sunday.
I fear quite a few PBers will need sedating.
Good lord your not going to embarrass yourself by comparing Osborne to Churchill now!
An Indian Muslim colleague of mine says the Christian, Jewish and Muslim God is the same bloke but that the Hindu God is someone different.
What utter rubbish religion is Gods and Devils were invented a long tome ago to explain difficult concepts and above all to keep people in order.
I still remember when I first started school in 1965 the teacher said that God was a man in the sky who is always watching us and loves us, even though I was five years old I remember thinking, what utter tosh and I'd never heard of it before then, I thought 'God' was just something my Dad shouted out when he was annoyed.
Is there a parallel universe where Theresa May won a stonking majority, and Nick Timothy is lord of all he surveys?
No.
What about one where George Osborne is PM, the most popular since Churchill, and you are not only his Willie, but also his fashion advisor and closest confidant?
Churchill wasn't very popular at various stages of his career.
I'm writing a George Osborne themed thread for Sunday.
I fear quite a few PBers will need sedating.
If you were being in any way honest then it would start with the line:
"Any reasonable reading of the last few months would have to come to the conclusion that most of the problems now being experienced by Mrs May owe their origins to her former cabinet colleague George Osborne and his manifold failings as Chancellor."
Nonsense.
The YouGov model showed the Tories were on course for a majority of 70 until Mrs May and Nick Timothy worked their magic on social care changes.
I thought the yougov model was launched after the manifesto & SC cap?
Anyway, it wasn't the social care stuff wot kaboshed TM's majority. It was the u-turn.
If anything, she needed to go much harder on older retirees with significant property wealth;
The intergenerational stuff was all fart and no follow through. She could have reshaped conservatism for a new generation, winning votes where she needed them and losing them where she didn't.
She wasn't bold enough.
What a horrifying chart.
Not really. What happened in the 1940s which meant that that generations wealth might be a bit low....
Is there a parallel universe where Theresa May won a stonking majority, and Nick Timothy is lord of all he surveys?
No.
What about one where George Osborne is PM, the most popular since Churchill, and you are not only his Willie, but also his fashion advisor and closest confidant?
Churchill wasn't very popular at various stages of his career.
I'm writing a George Osborne themed thread for Sunday.
I fear quite a few PBers will need sedating.
If you were being in any way honest then it would start with the line:
"Any reasonable reading of the last few months would have to come to the conclusion that most of the problems now being experienced by Mrs May owe their origins to her former cabinet colleague George Osborne and his manifold failings as Chancellor."
Nonsense.
The YouGov model showed the Tories were on course for a majority of 70 until Mrs May and Nick Timothy worked their magic on social care changes.
I thought the yougov model was launched after the manifesto & SC cap?
Yes. People need to distinguish between the individual YouGov polls, and the large YouGov model based on a week's worth of polls. The models were different. The large model got the election result broadly right. The projections based on individual polls didn't - and if I understand correctly the methodology was changed at the last minute and that made things worse.
The spaceports thing is more than a little misguided: they probably won't be orbital class space, but just silly little joyrides past the Kaman Line. Sadly, the UK is not well situated for traditional rocket-based launches - at least without upsetting our neighbours by dropping first or second stages on them.
What we do well in is the associated tech: not the launching of sexy rockets, but the stuff that gets put up there. To give an idea: Britain's space industry is worth over £13 billion a year (~$16 billion). SpaceX's launch revenue target in 2016 was just $1.8 billion; Aerodyne made a bid for United Launch Alliance for just $2 billion.
The money's in the goods you take up to orbit, not trucking them up there.
Which is why Luxembourgs stance is interesting. They're investing heavily in asteroid mining. It may sound ridiculous, but just one asteroid might provide billions of dollars worth of metal (e.g. platinum); enough to crash world markets.
Ooh, Jeremy Corbyn really laying into the Guardian: "hate campaigns run by sections of our national press who are so patriotic they are based in tax havens."
Is there a parallel universe where Theresa May won a stonking majority, and Nick Timothy is lord of all he surveys?
No.
What about one where George Osborne is PM, the most popular since Churchill, and you are not only his Willie, but also his fashion advisor and closest confidant?
Churchill wasn't very popular at various stages of his career.
I'm writing a George Osborne themed thread for Sunday.
I fear quite a few PBers will need sedating.
If you were being in any way honest then it would start with the line:
"Any reasonable reading of the last few months would have to come to the conclusion that most of the problems now being experienced by Mrs May owe their origins to her former cabinet colleague George Osborne and his manifold failings as Chancellor."
Nonsense.
The YouGov model showed the Tories were on course for a majority of 70 until Mrs May and Nick Timothy worked their magic on social care changes.
I thought the yougov model was launched after the manifesto & SC cap?
Anyway, it wasn't the social care stuff wot kaboshed TM's majority. It was the u-turn.
If anything, she needed to go much harder on older retirees with significant property wealth;
The intergenerational stuff was all fart and no follow through. She could have reshaped conservatism for a new generation, winning votes where she needed them and losing them where she didn't.
She wasn't bold enough.
What a horrifying chart.
Not really. What happened in the 1940s which meant that that generations wealth might be a bit low....
You're misreading the chart. Go back and look again.
Is there a parallel universe where Theresa May won a stonking majority, and Nick Timothy is lord of all he surveys?
No.
What about one where George Osborne is PM, the most popular since Churchill, and you are not only his Willie, but also his fashion advisor and closest confidant?
Churchill wasn't very popular at various stages of his career.
I'm writing a George Osborne themed thread for Sunday.
I fear quite a few PBers will need sedating.
Good lord your not going to embarrass yourself by comparing Osborne to Churchill now!
Is there a parallel universe where Theresa May won a stonking majority, and Nick Timothy is lord of all he surveys?
No.
What about one where George Osborne is PM, the most popular since Churchill, and you are not only his Willie, but also his fashion advisor and closest confidant?
Churchill wasn't very popular at various stages of his career.
I'm writing a George Osborne themed thread for Sunday.
I fear quite a few PBers will need sedating.
If you were being in any way honest then it would start with the line:
"Any reasonable reading of the last few months would have to come to the conclusion that most of the problems now being experienced by Mrs May owe their origins to her former cabinet colleague George Osborne and his manifold failings as Chancellor."
Nonsense.
The YouGov model showed the Tories were on course for a majority of 70 until Mrs May and Nick Timothy worked their magic on social care changes.
Which one? The one that showed them with a 7 point lead the day before the election?
Pardon me for not having appreciated the distinction between apartments being "deliberately kept empty" and unoccupied apartments.
I mean, it must be so common for people to inadvertently keep luxury apartments empty at the cost of God knows how many tens of thousands a year.
I do realise the rich are different, and they routinely do things that are quite incomprehensible to the rest of us mere mortals.
You are being idiotic.
No. If you read the discussion here, you must know how much scorn was poured on the idea that this number of empty luxury flats would be available locally to rehouse those who lost their homes in the Grenfell Tower. You can be as abusive as you like, but that's a fact.
Of course, if these aren't really luxury flats, as they were described in the comment I was replying to, but empty social housing, then that makes things different. In that case it remains to be seen whether - if the continuance of Theresa May's brilliant career depended on it - alternative accommodation would be found!
I'm certainly not going back to read the discussions but I'm sure it turned on the mooted enforced purchase of vacant properties of the rich, rather than an accelerated sale, at cost, of about to be sold properties from a newly-completed development which included, as of course all must, a "social housing" element.
Is there a parallel universe where Theresa May won a stonking majority, and Nick Timothy is lord of all he surveys?
No.
What about one where George Osborne is PM, the most popular since Churchill, and you are not only his Willie, but also his fashion advisor and closest confidant?
Churchill wasn't very popular at various stages of his career.
I'm writing a George Osborne themed thread for Sunday.
I fear quite a few PBers will need sedating.
If you were being in any way honest then it would start with the line:
"Any reasonable reading of the last few months would have to come to the conclusion that most of the problems now being experienced by Mrs May owe their origins to her former cabinet colleague George Osborne and his manifold failings as Chancellor."
Nonsense.
The YouGov model showed the Tories were on course for a majority of 70 until Mrs May and Nick Timothy worked their magic on social care changes.
What did yougov say about the Brexit referendum before GO worked his project fear magic ?
I believe their model always had Leave winning, but it was only tested a month or two before June 23rd.
Is there a parallel universe where Theresa May won a stonking majority, and Nick Timothy is lord of all he surveys?
No.
What about one where George Osborne is PM, the most popular since Churchill, and you are not only his Willie, but also his fashion advisor and closest confidant?
Churchill wasn't very popular at various stages of his career.
I'm writing a George Osborne themed thread for Sunday.
I fear quite a few PBers will need sedating.
If you were being in any way honest then it would start with the line:
"Any reasonable reading of the last few months would have to come to the conclusion that most of the problems now being experienced by Mrs May owe their origins to her former cabinet colleague George Osborne and his manifold failings as Chancellor."
Nonsense.
The YouGov model showed the Tories were on course for a majority of 70 until Mrs May and Nick Timothy worked their magic on social care changes.
I thought the yougov model was launched after the manifesto & SC cap?
Yes. People need to distinguish between the individual YouGov polls, and the large YouGov model based on a week's worth of polls. The models were different. The large model got the election result broadly right. The projections based on individual polls didn't - and if I understand correctly the methodology was changed at the last minute and that made things worse.
No. If you read the discussion here, you must know how much scorn was poured on the idea that this number of empty luxury flats would be available locally to rehouse those who lost their homes in the Grenfell Tower. You can be as abusive as you like, but that's a fact.
No, it's not a fact, it's complete nonsense. Much scorn was correctly poured on the notion that there was any national emergency requiring the requisitioning of private property in order to house less than a hundred families in a city of 8.5 million, and on the notion that there are lots of properties being deliberately kept empty in London. I was one of those pouring the scorn.
Is there a parallel universe where Theresa May won a stonking majority, and Nick Timothy is lord of all he surveys?
No.
What about one where George Osborne is PM, the most popular since Churchill, and you are not only his Willie, but also his fashion advisor and closest confidant?
Churchill wasn't very popular at various stages of his career.
I'm writing a George Osborne themed thread for Sunday.
I fear quite a few PBers will need sedating.
If you were being in any way honest then it would start with the line:
"Any reasonable reading of the last few months would have to come to the conclusion that most of the problems now being experienced by Mrs May owe their origins to her former cabinet colleague George Osborne and his manifold failings as Chancellor."
Nonsense.
The YouGov model showed the Tories were on course for a majority of 70 until Mrs May and Nick Timothy worked their magic on social care changes.
I thought the yougov model was launched after the manifesto & SC cap?
Anyway, it wasn't the social care stuff wot kaboshed TM's majority. It was the u-turn.
If anything, she needed to go much harder on older retirees with significant property wealth;
The intergenerational stuff was all fart and no follow through. She could have reshaped conservatism for a new generation, winning votes where she needed them and losing them where she didn't.
She wasn't bold enough.
What a horrifying chart.
Is a cohort based on year of birth?
(I always wondered why I couldn't afford the same lifestyle as my Dad had in his early 20s, even though he has turned the family business into something pretty meaningful in the 50 years since he settled down)
Pardon me for not having appreciated the distinction between apartments being "deliberately kept empty" and unoccupied apartments.
I mean, it must be so common for people to inadvertently keep luxury apartments empty at the cost of God knows how many tens of thousands a year.
I do realise the rich are different, and they routinely do things that are quite incomprehensible to the rest of us mere mortals.
You are being idiotic.
No. If you read the discussion here, you must know how much scorn was poured on the idea that this number of empty luxury flats would be available locally to rehouse those who lost their homes in the Grenfell Tower. You can be as abusive as you like, but that's a fact.
Of course, if these aren't really luxury flats, as they were described in the comment I was replying to, but empty social housing, then that makes things different. In that case it remains to be seen whether - if the continuance of Theresa May's brilliant career depended on it - alternative accommodation would be found!
I'm certainly not going back to read the discussions but I'm sure it turned on the mooted enforced purchase of vacant properties of the rich, rather than an accelerated sale, at cost, of about to be sold properties from a newly-completed development which included, as of course all must, a "social housing" element.
Not quite the same thing.
In fact a completely different thing
It's actually rather unpleasant watching @bigjohnowls and @chris trying to claim political credit for something that seems to have been a pretty sensible deal worked out by the local council, the Corporation and the private sector.
Don't be too big on telecom stocks when it comes online.
I doubt it'll make much difference for two reasons:
1) Even with both planned constellations, it'll have limited bandwidth; 2) Bandwidth requirements are increasing all the time.
It'll be brilliant for remote communities. For those in cities, less so. (At least AIUI: they could be doing something even more exceptionally clever, but the laws of physics are still the same).
Mr. Owls, no idea, but one hopes the Government hasn't decided to throw property rights and the rule of law on the bonfire of political convenience.
Property rights are always conditional - and there are already plenty of instances of compulsory purchase in the UK and other countries. Provided compensation is paid (as is required by law) and it really is in the public interest I don't see it as a big issue.
Purchasing empty properties to house those large numbers displaced in an awful fire would qualify in my view though I accept others may feel differently.
Nope, incorrect. All multiverses stem from the initial point of as perceived from your own multiverse. There cannot be a creator in one and not in others. All things stem from one point of infinite density and infinite energy.
This belief multiverses, you're expressing faith either way.
The physics of multiverses is reasonably understood. It's science, not faith.
So in that case there must either be evidence available that other universes exist, or an acceptance that this is impossible to provide, in which case the "understanding" that they do is based on reasoning and not evidence.
How is that different from religious faith?
Not at all. You can't see mathematics but it's a truth. There is mathematical evidence of the possibility of multiverses, there is no mathematical evidence of the possibility of God. Nor could there be.
Newton thought ntion of god (or of a god) in the universe?
Because theying it for a time.
And yet something must trigger them at the given precise moment that it happens. And while an individual decay might be 'essentially random', the atoms of a given isotope nonetheless conform collectively to a predictable pattern.
But the original point was that there was "no mathematical evidence of the possibility of God. Nor could there be", and I simply contend that such an assertion is not true. While there might not be any evidence of God, there is evidence of the possibility of God (or gods), which simply requires an unexplained phenomenon that exhibits mathematical characteristics and which might be explicable by the intervention of powers unknown and unknowable.
For what it's worth, I think it's nonsense but all the same, unless disproved then the possibility must be admitted.
The philosopher and mathematician Wittgenstein was quite possibly the cleverest man who ever lived. Wittgenstein believed in God, albeit in a very unique, and ascetic way.
If forced to choose, I'd take Wittgenstein over "dyedwoolie" of PB.
"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent"
He did at least provide a perfectly good argument against solipcism. Fortunately Sean you are not forced to choose and thus can enjoy the ramblings of a PBer without feeling obliged to tie yourself to the beliefs of a long dead German. I'm sure his corpse is grateful for the props though. 'Do you mind? I'm trying to have a shit in here.'
Looks like Corbyn didn't snub the Queen after all - you are not supposed to bow, it was May making yet another mistake by breaking protocol. Cameron didn't bow, neither did other Lab leaders. With the exception of, surprise surprise, Gordon Brown.
Mr. Evershed, a religious position is not a faith. Tell me what an atheist believes in.
The absence of belief is not belief, it's the very opposite. I have a football position, which is that I don't care very much about it. Your argument is that this makes me a football fan.
An atheist believes there is no God.
Do atheists agree on the idea of there being an infinite number of multiverses, in at least one of which there is a God who is God of all multiverses?
Uh... Why would they?
Because it's quite uncontroversial, and not contradicted by any physics, to think that there could be other universes. And if there are others then the logical number of them is an infinite number, since why would there be two or fifteen or a million. And thus there must exist a universe in which God does exist and in which he created all universes.
I don't think that necessarily follows. An infinity of universes can still only include possible things.
What's impossible about God?
By which I mean, what prevents God from existing, eg in another universe whose properties we cannot observe? If nothing prevents this (which is what we have to conclude), and there exist infinite universes (because what limits the number?), then not only does God exist in an infinity of universes, but also, within that infinity, there are universes in which God exists in that universe as well as in all the others.
Obviously I don't really believe all this crap, but it isn't any worse crap than blind scientism.
What would prevent an infinity of possible Gods? And in that case, what would prevent a truly omnipotent such God with a desire and will to subjugate all universes to His will from existing? And therefore reaching out and conquering all universes, including our own, to a slavery of darkness and pain?
It would appear that such a being doesn't exist - but why not? What, in the line of reasoning that led to the conclusion that there could be a God that existed in all universes, would preclude it?
Don't be too big on telecom stocks when it comes online.
I doubt it'll make much difference for two reasons:
1) Even with both planned constellations, it'll have limited bandwidth; 2) Bandwidth requirements are increasing all the time.
It'll be brilliant for remote communities. For those in cities, less so. (At least AIUI: they could be doing something even more exceptionally clever, but the laws of physics are still the same).
It's actually rather unpleasant watching @bigjohnowls and @chris trying to claim political credit for something that seems to have been a pretty sensible deal worked out by the local council, the Corporation and the private sector.
Especially since that was exactly the point we were making - that the families could be rehoused without invoking emergency powers designed for wartime or major national emergency, as Corbyn was suggesting. Of course, anyone even remotely sane within Labour knew that; probably even Corbyn knew that.
Don't be too big on telecom stocks when it comes online.
I doubt it'll make much difference for two reasons:
1) Even with both planned constellations, it'll have limited bandwidth; 2) Bandwidth requirements are increasing all the time.
It'll be brilliant for remote communities. For those in cities, less so. (At least AIUI: they could be doing something even more exceptionally clever, but the laws of physics are still the same).
Potentially huge market in Africa ?...
Anywhere remote, in fact. It should work in towns and cities, but may well have limited lines-of-sight and bandwidth.
There's an infinity of other universes in which you do.
The wavefunction has collapsed.
Alice is back through the looking glass. Actually, I think there's an infinite number of versions of her having a great deal of fun.
It's all good fun, I'm sitting here trying to recount thoughts from my degree from 26 years ago, it's immensely amusing and, if nothing else, has made me feel full of faux rage to fit with the zeitgeist.
Mr Dancer, such ideas have been around for quite some time. One was to set up a solar panel powered accelerator and use it to shoot debris from the asteroid to act as a reaction motor to alter its orbit and get it nearer Earth and the Moon for easy processing. The simplest arrival method would be crashing it into the moon.
Ooh, Jeremy Corbyn really laying into the Guardian: "hate campaigns run by sections of our national press who are so patriotic they are based in tax havens."
No. If you read the discussion here, you must know how much scorn was poured on the idea that this number of empty luxury flats would be available locally to rehouse those who lost their homes in the Grenfell Tower. You can be as abusive as you like, but that's a fact.
No, it's not a fact, it's complete nonsense. Much scorn was correctly poured on the notion that there was any national emergency requiring the requisitioning of private property in order to house less than a hundred families in a city of 8.5 million, and on the notion that there are lots of properties being deliberately kept empty in London. I was one of those pouring the scorn.
Sorry, but it certainly is a fact that people were arguing the empty property wasn't available. If you can't remember that people were arguing that, you need to pay closer attention before jumping in and shouting "nonsense"!
People were also arguing about whether requisitioning would have been justified if it had been available, but obviously that's a distinct issue. My only comment on that had been that Corbyn had specified "if necessary", which neatly neutralised the comments from the people who were saying "it's not necessary". :-)
My comment today concerned the former issue, and was made in response to a report that empty property had been found in a "luxury block". If it's actually social housing that's not yet ready for occupation, obviously that changes things.
Don't be too big on telecom stocks when it comes online.
"the plan would put 4,425 satellites into orbit around the Earth" How close will they be to the space junk I wonder.
From memory, the 4,000+ satellites are going to be automatically deorbited at the end of their lives (yeah, right), and will be in naturally degrading orbits anyway due to atmospheric drag. The 7,000+ constellation will be much lower, and last a much shorter time.
In short: it shouldn't be as bad as most other satellites that are higher.
(To give you an idea of the scale of their plans, only around 7,000 satellites have ever been launched. One of the SpaceX constellations will equal that, and they'll need to be replenished every few years).
Day of Rage group just passed me (SW1). Not more than 300-400.
They unfortunately tied the Day of Rage for the Day of Fucking Hell, I'm Going Back Inside, This is Blistering
I just nipped out to do dump some rubbish. OMG. It's unbearable. I am now back at my desk, wilting in the breeze of my new Dyson Cool Fan, set on max.
The rather pathetic Day of Rage seems to have attracted a whole lot more press coverage than it ever deserved. Many on the left and right will be disappointed that it has been such a damp squib - though for different reasons, no doubt.
Mrs C, you know what'd happen. They'd commission some bloody useless, cheap organisation to do it and accidentally shear off half the Moon and send it into the Earth.
Not that I lack faith (ahem) in our political overlords, of course.
Pardon me for not having appreciated the distinction between apartments being "deliberately kept empty" and unoccupied apartments.
I mean, it must be so common for people to inadvertently keep luxury apartments empty at the cost of God knows how many tens of thousands a year.
I do realise the rich are different, and they routinely do things that are quite incomprehensible to the rest of us mere mortals.
You are being idiotic.
No. If you read the discussion here, you must know how much scorn was poured on the idea that this number of empty luxury flats would be available locally to rehouse those who lost their homes in the Grenfell Tower. You can be as abusive as you like, but that's a fact.
Of course, if these aren't really luxury flats, as they were described in the comment I was replying to, but empty social housing, then that makes things different. In that case it remains to be seen whether - if the continuance of Theresa May's brilliant career depended on it - alternative accommodation would be found!
I'm certainly not going back to read the discussions but I'm sure it turned on the mooted enforced purchase of vacant properties of the rich, rather than an accelerated sale, at cost, of about to be sold properties from a newly-completed development which included, as of course all must, a "social housing" element.
Not quite the same thing.
In fact a completely different thing
It's actually rather unpleasant watching @bigjohnowls and @chris trying to claim political credit for something that seems to have been a pretty sensible deal worked out by the local council, the Corporation and the private sector.
"Political credit"? Please. I don't have truck with any of these professional politicians. My comment was just a dig at the people who had suggested these properties didn't exist. If the comment I was responding to was misleading, so be it (though of course that would by no means prove there were no empty properties in Kensington).
There's an infinity of other universes in which you do.
Morris is not in the other universes. A different entity is.
Depends on the properties of the other universes. What are they?
It doesn't matter. Morris exists in this universe. Any morris lookalike elsewhere is not Morris.
Yes he is. He's Morris in another universe.
In this universe Morris buys a newspaper then a coffee. In another, he buys a coffee then a newspaper. Two universes, both equally probable.
Let's call them Morris A and Morris B. If Morris A does not believe in God then he does not believe in God. Morris B having a damascene conversion in Costa doesn't alter that at all. Morris B is not Morris A.
@SkyNewsBreak: The Met Office says the temperature has reached 33.9C at Heathrow in West London making it the hottest June day since 1976
Well that's not true, I remeber it hit 37C in the early 2000's.
Yeah but they're talking of June and that was August. August 3rd 2003 to be precise. I remember it, the heat gave me a horrible headache, and I like heat. Hottest day ever in the UK.
This is possibly the hottest London day I can remember, since then (though there probably others). It feels more intense, somehow.
I hate heat, at least in the winter you can warm up, there is a limit to how much you can cool down however.
Is there a parallel universe where Theresa May won a stonking majority, and Nick Timothy is lord of all he surveys?
No.
What about one where George Osborne is PM, the most popular since Churchill, and you are not only his Willie, but also his fashion advisor and closest confidant?
Churchill wasn't very popular at various stages of his career.
I'm writing a George Osborne themed thread for Sunday.
I fear quite a few PBers will need sedating.
Good lord your not going to embarrass yourself by comparing Osborne to Churchill now!
Osborne is 46. At the same age, Churchill had not yet become Chancellor - though he had managed to screw up various other cabinet positions.
My comment today concerned the former issue, and was made in response to a report that empty property had been found in a "luxury block". If it's actually social housing that's not yet ready for occupation, obviously that changes things.
Blimey, you are obtuse.
You seem to be arguing with yourself, and even then you've got it wrong. What difference does it make if it's 'social housing'? The fact is that, as I and others were saying at the time, there is housing available in London, a city of 8.5m, for 68 families, and not too far away. There is no need for Jeremy Corbyn's NKVD officers to requisition private property from the kulaks. There is no national emergency justifying 'occupation, requisition, compulsory purchase' as Corbyn proposed. And there aren't lots of homes being deliberately left empty. But there are flats, like these ones, coming on to the market all the time.
Which is why Luxembourgs stance is interesting. They're investing heavily in asteroid mining. It may sound ridiculous, but just one asteroid might provide billions of dollars worth of metal (e.g. platinum); enough to crash world markets.
Apparently this is why aliens invading Earth for the water or the minerals will never happen. They'll get more, with no gravity to speak of to fight, from mining asteroids.
A really devious alien race would mine all the good stuff and dump it on earth to trash the markets. Then when the global economy's screwed that's when they invade. All your base are belong to us, and so on.
Is there a parallel universe where Theresa May won a stonking majority, and Nick Timothy is lord of all he surveys?
No.
What about one where George Osborne is PM, the most popular since Churchill, and you are not only his Willie, but also his fashion advisor and closest confidant?
Churchill wasn't very popular at various stages of his career.
I'm writing a George Osborne themed thread for Sunday.
I fear quite a few PBers will need sedating.
If you were being in any way honest then it would start with the line:
"Any reasonable reading of the last few months would have to come to the conclusion that most of the problems now being experienced by Mrs May owe their origins to her former cabinet colleague George Osborne and his manifold failings as Chancellor."
Nonsense.
The YouGov model showed the Tories were on course for a majority of 70 until Mrs May and Nick Timothy worked their magic on social care changes.
I thought the yougov model was launched after the manifesto & SC cap?
Anyway, it wasn't the social care stuff wot kaboshed TM's majority. It was the u-turn.
If anything, she needed to go much harder on older retirees with significant property wealth;
The intergenerational stuff was all fart and no follow through. She could have reshaped conservatism for a new generation, winning votes where she needed them and losing them where she didn't.
She wasn't bold enough.
What a horrifying chart.
An explanation for the electoral appeal of Corbynism in one chart. It's also provides the context for the general upsurge in political violence.
The really bad news?
When the next bar on the left is added, it'll need a substantial extension of the y axis.
The full report is worth reading if you have a spare half hour;
You don't know what heat is until you've lain immobile on your bed in a hostal in Avila in the middle of August with the sun shining straight through the window, the temperature showing 47 celsius, your head throbbing and your throat parched because of all the dodgy brandy you drank the night before. That is heat. And that is a hangover. Sometimes I am glad I am older than I once was.
Mrs C, you know what'd happen. They'd commission some bloody useless, cheap organisation to do it and accidentally shear off half the Moon and send it into the Earth.
Not that I lack faith (ahem) in our political overlords, of course.
We would be safe enough Mr Dancer. We need to mine the moon first before we go chasing asteroids. There is lots of useful metals up there and they are already mapping it out
Which is why Luxembourgs stance is interesting. They're investing heavily in asteroid mining. It may sound ridiculous, but just one asteroid might provide billions of dollars worth of metal (e.g. platinum); enough to crash world markets.
Apparently this is why aliens invading Earth for the water or the minerals will never happen. They'll get more, with no gravity to speak of to fight, from mining asteroids.
A really devious alien race would mine all the good stuff and dump it on earth to trash the markets. Then when the global economy's screwed that's when they invade. All your base are belong to us, and so on.
There's not that much to eat on asteroids. If aliens are looking for nice meaty things to munch for lunch, there are billions of snacks on the planet surface.
You don't know what heat is until you've lain immobile on your bed in a hostal in Avila in the middle of August with the sun shining straight through the window, the temperature showing 47 celsius, your head throbbing and your throat parched because of all the dodgy brandy you drank the night before. That is heat. And that is a hangover. Sometimes I am glad I am older than I once was.
Moving out of the dry heat of the Sahara to the southern end of Mauritania and into Senegal and the sub tropical humidity is the heat of champions.
There's an infinity of other universes in which you do.
Morris is not in the other universes. A different entity is.
Depends on the properties of the other universes. What are they?
It doesn't matter. Morris exists in this universe. Any morris lookalike elsewhere is not Morris.
Yes he is. He's Morris in another universe.
In this universe Morris buys a newspaper then a coffee. In another, he buys a coffee then a newspaper. Two universes, both equally probable.
Let's call them Morris A and Morris B. If Morris A does not believe in God then he does not believe in God. Morris B having a damascene conversion in Costa doesn't alter that at all. Morris B is not Morris A.
Now you're just being obtuse. Well, in this universe, anyway.
There must be another universe where you win this thread.
My comment today concerned the former issue, and was made in response to a report that empty property had been found in a "luxury block". If it's actually social housing that's not yet ready for occupation, obviously that changes things.
Blimey, you are obtuse.
I'm not even in your league. I've only just explained to you that I was arguing against the contention that there was no empty luxury housing in the area.
Try reading what people say to you, instead of deleting it to make yourself look less stupid.
As hot as it is here just be glad you're not in Paris right now - currently 37 degrees. My girlfriend just said the air con in her office is switched off because some bitch (her word) says it makes her sick.
In July 2015 it hit over 40 degrees, and I felt completely desiccated by the time I got out of the RER (disgusting at the best of times) after work.
There's an infinity of other universes in which you do.
Morris is not in the other universes. A different entity is.
Depends on the properties of the other universes. What are they?
It doesn't matter. Morris exists in this universe. Any morris lookalike elsewhere is not Morris.
Yes he is. He's Morris in another universe.
In this universe Morris buys a newspaper then a coffee. In another, he buys a coffee then a newspaper. Two universes, both equally probable.
Let's call them Morris A and Morris B. If Morris A does not believe in God then he does not believe in God. Morris B having a damascene conversion in Costa doesn't alter that at all. Morris B is not Morris A.
Now you're just being obtuse. Well, in this universe, anyway.
There must be another universe where you win this thread.
There's one in which I win the thread in all universes apparently. So, respect me or something
Nope, incorrect. All multiverses stem from the initial point of as perceived from your own multiverse. There cannot be a creator in one and not in others. All things stem from one point of infinite density and infinite energy.
This belief multiverses, you're expressing faith either way.
The physics of multiverses is reasonably understood. It's science, not faith.
So in that case there must either be evidence available that other universes exist, or an acceptance that this is impossible to provide, in which case the "understanding" that they do is based on reasoning and not evidence.
How is that different from religious faith?
Not at all. You can't see mathematics but it's a truth. There is mathematical evidence of the possibility of multiverses, there is no mathematical evidence of the possibility of God. Nor could there be.
Newton thought ntion of god (or of a god) in the universe?
Because theying it for a time.
And yet something must trigger them at the given precise moment that it happens. And while an individual decay might be 'essentially random', the atoms of a given isotope nonetheless conform collectively to a predictable pattern.
But the original point was that there was "no mathematical evidence of the possibility of God. Nor could there be", and I simply contend that such an assertion is not true. While there might not be any evidence of God, there is evidence of the possibility of God (or gods), which simply requires an unexplained phenomenon that exhibits mathematical characteristics and which might be explicable by the intervention of powers unknown and unknowable.
For what it's worth, I think it's nonsense but all the same, unless disproved then the possibility must be admitted.
The philosopher and mathematician Wittgenstein was quite possibly the cleverest man who ever lived. Wittgenstein believed in God, albeit in a very unique, and ascetic way.
If forced to choose, I'd take Wittgenstein over "dyedwoolie" of PB.
"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent"
My friend Giles had his room at Trinity. Many good evenings were had there.
Mr. Evershed, a religious position is not a faith. Tell me what an atheist believes in.
The absence of belief is not belief, it's the very opposite. I have a football position, which is that I don't care very much about it. Your argument is that this makes me a football fan.
An atheist believes there is no God.
Do atheists agree on the idea of there being an infinite number of multiverses, in at least one of which there is a God who is God of all multiverses?
Uh... Why would they?
n. And thus there must exist a universe in which God does exist and in which he created all universes.
The physics of multiverses is reasonably understood. It's science, not faith.
How is that different from religious faith?
Not at all. You can't see mathematics but it's a truth. There is mathematical evidence of the possibility of multiverses, there is no mathematical evidence of the possibility of God. Nor could there be.
Quite. But evidence of possibility is rather different to no evidence of possibility. One has a chance of being correct, the other is something that does not exist.
There's no evidence of the impossibility of God either. What stops her existing?
The traditional view of God i.e. omniscient, omnipotent and benevolent with a personal relationship with individual humans who pray to him is logically inconsistent and so we can be sure it doesn't exist. This is known as the problem of evil and all the so-called answers are desperate fudges.
We may live in the simulation of an technologically advanced alien species who may, to all extents and purposes, be omniscient and omnipotent, but they sure as hell aren't benevolent to us. So you can't call them God with the usual properties.
There's an infinity of other universes in which you do.
Morris is not in the other universes. A different entity is.
Depends on the properties of the other universes. What are they?
It doesn't matter. Morris exists in this universe. Any morris lookalike elsewhere is not Morris.
Yes he is. He's Morris in another universe.
In this universe Morris buys a newspaper then a coffee. In another, he buys a coffee then a newspaper. Two universes, both equally probable.
Let's call them Morris A and Morris B. If Morris A does not believe in God then he does not believe in God. Morris B having a damascene conversion in Costa doesn't alter that at all. Morris B is not Morris A.
Now you're just being obtuse. Well, in this universe, anyway.
There must be another universe where you win this thread.
There's one in which I win the thread in all universes apparently. So, respect me or something
You don't know what heat is until you've lain immobile on your bed in a hostal in Avila in the middle of August with the sun shining straight through the window, the temperature showing 47 celsius, your head throbbing and your throat parched because of all the dodgy brandy you drank the night before. That is heat. And that is a hangover. Sometimes I am glad I am older than I once was.
In October I am going to the Danakil Depression, in Ethiopia. It is known as "the cruellest place on earth", for many reasons - deadly volcanic activity, utterly sterile salt deserts - - but also the infernal heat.
There are many months when it doesn't ever dip below 40C. It can easily reach 50C or more. Maybe 55C.
Camden right now is good training.
I will never go to the Danakil Depression in Ethiopia.
There's an infinity of other universes in which you do.
Morris is not in the other universes. A different entity is.
Depends on the properties of the other universes. What are they?
It doesn't matter. Morris exists in this universe. Any morris lookalike elsewhere is not Morris.
Yes he is. He's Morris in another universe.
In this universe Morris buys a newspaper then a coffee. In another, he buys a coffee then a newspaper. Two universes, both equally probable.
Let's call them Morris A and Morris B. If Morris A does not believe in God then he does not believe in God. Morris B having a damascene conversion in Costa doesn't alter that at all. Morris B is not Morris A.
Now you're just being obtuse. Well, in this universe, anyway.
There must be another universe where you win this thread.
There's one in which I win the thread in all universes apparently. So, respect me or something
Well, except this one, obviously.
Look, we increased our vote and MPs and you clearly have lost your majority. I stand ready to present an alternative Queen's Argument.
You don't know what heat is until you've lain immobile on your bed in a hostal in Avila in the middle of August with the sun shining straight through the window, the temperature showing 47 celsius, your head throbbing and your throat parched because of all the dodgy brandy you drank the night before. That is heat. And that is a hangover. Sometimes I am glad I am older than I once was.
Moving out of the dry heat of the Sahara to the southern end of Mauritania and into Senegal and the sub tropical humidity is the heat of champions.
Apparently God kills 20 million people in the Old Testament, whereas Satan only kills 10.
After Sodom was destroyed, Lot's daughters got him drunk and "lay with him" so that he'd get them in the club. "Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father" and God was fine with that.
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Although is there such a thing as 'EXCESSIVE (my caps) belief in the power of scientific knowledge and techniques.' Surely the scientific method is the best method we have.
Of course, if these aren't really luxury flats, as they were described in the comment I was replying to, but empty social housing, then that makes things different. In that case it remains to be seen whether - if the continuance of Theresa May's brilliant career depended on it - alternative accommodation would be found!
But the original point was that there was "no mathematical evidence of the possibility of God. Nor could there be", and I simply contend that such an assertion is not true. While there might not be any evidence of God, there is evidence of the possibility of God (or gods), which simply requires an unexplained phenomenon that exhibits mathematical characteristics and which might be explicable by the intervention of powers unknown and unknowable.
For what it's worth, I think it's nonsense but all the same, unless disproved then the possibility must be admitted.
What utter rubbish religion is Gods and Devils were invented a long tome ago to explain difficult concepts and above all to keep people in order.
I still remember when I first started school in 1965 the teacher said that God was a man in the sky who is always watching us and loves us, even though I was five years old I remember thinking, what utter tosh and I'd never heard of it before then, I thought 'God' was just something my Dad shouted out when he was annoyed.
What we do well in is the associated tech: not the launching of sexy rockets, but the stuff that gets put up there. To give an idea: Britain's space industry is worth over £13 billion a year (~$16 billion). SpaceX's launch revenue target in 2016 was just $1.8 billion; Aerodyne made a bid for United Launch Alliance for just $2 billion.
The money's in the goods you take up to orbit, not trucking them up there.
Which is why Luxembourgs stance is interesting. They're investing heavily in asteroid mining. It may sound ridiculous, but just one asteroid might provide billions of dollars worth of metal (e.g. platinum); enough to crash world markets.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidschrieberg1/2017/01/24/asteroid-mining-the-next-grand-venture-of-tiny-luxembourg/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/jun/21/queens-speech-2017-theresa-may-promises-humility-and-resolve-as-she-publishes-legislative-programme-politics-live
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http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/space-adventures-of-proximate-kind.html
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/09/01/george-osborne-the-modern-day-winston-churchill/
Not quite the same thing.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/4/15539934/spacex-satellite-internet-launch-2019
Don't be too big on telecom stocks when it comes online.
(I always wondered why I couldn't afford the same lifestyle as my Dad had in his early 20s, even though he has turned the family business into something pretty meaningful in the 50 years since he settled down)
Great, more junk in space, just to save building trenches.
It's actually rather unpleasant watching @bigjohnowls and @chris trying to claim political credit for something that seems to have been a pretty sensible deal worked out by the local council, the Corporation and the private sector.
1) Even with both planned constellations, it'll have limited bandwidth;
2) Bandwidth requirements are increasing all the time.
It'll be brilliant for remote communities. For those in cities, less so. (At least AIUI: they could be doing something even more exceptionally clever, but the laws of physics are still the same).
https://twitter.com/leftlies/status/877530716548067328
Purchasing empty properties to house those large numbers displaced in an awful fire would qualify in my view though I accept others may feel differently.
Fortunately Sean you are not forced to choose and thus can enjoy the ramblings of a PBer without feeling obliged to tie yourself to the beliefs of a long dead German. I'm sure his corpse is grateful for the props though.
'Do you mind? I'm trying to have a shit in here.'
How close will they be to the space junk I wonder.
haha hahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha
Sean & Surbiton two peas in a pod.
Looks like Corbyn didn't snub the Queen after all - you are not supposed to bow, it was May making yet another mistake by breaking protocol. Cameron didn't bow, neither did other Lab leaders. With the exception of, surprise surprise, Gordon Brown.
Peas in a pod May and Brown.
And in that case, what would prevent a truly omnipotent such God with a desire and will to subjugate all universes to His will from existing? And therefore reaching out and conquering all universes, including our own, to a slavery of darkness and pain?
It would appear that such a being doesn't exist - but why not? What, in the line of reasoning that led to the conclusion that there could be a God that existed in all universes, would preclude it?
Actually, I think there's an infinite number of versions of her having a great deal of fun.
Then you actually watch him, and think...oh f*** we don't.
Really cool, though.
Another method is Gravitational Tugging using a Gravity Tractor - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_tractor
The advantages of these is the lack of a descent into a gravity well and then having to climb back out.
People were also arguing about whether requisitioning would have been justified if it had been available, but obviously that's a distinct issue. My only comment on that had been that Corbyn had specified "if necessary", which neatly neutralised the comments from the people who were saying "it's not necessary". :-)
My comment today concerned the former issue, and was made in response to a report that empty property had been found in a "luxury block". If it's actually social housing that's not yet ready for occupation, obviously that changes things.
In short: it shouldn't be as bad as most other satellites that are higher.
(To give you an idea of the scale of their plans, only around 7,000 satellites have ever been launched. One of the SpaceX constellations will equal that, and they'll need to be replenished every few years).
No such thing as bad publicity.
Not that I lack faith (ahem) in our political overlords, of course.
In this universe Morris buys a newspaper then a coffee. In another, he buys a coffee then a newspaper. Two universes, both equally probable.
Edit: whoops just sen it says hottest june day.
Is that the first time SeanT has been called a lefty?
You seem to be arguing with yourself, and even then you've got it wrong. What difference does it make if it's 'social housing'? The fact is that, as I and others were saying at the time, there is housing available in London, a city of 8.5m, for 68 families, and not too far away. There is no need for Jeremy Corbyn's NKVD officers to requisition private property from the kulaks. There is no national emergency justifying 'occupation, requisition, compulsory purchase' as Corbyn proposed. And there aren't lots of homes being deliberately left empty. But there are flats, like these ones, coming on to the market all the time.
A really devious alien race would mine all the good stuff and dump it on earth to trash the markets. Then when the global economy's screwed that's when they invade. All your base are belong to us, and so on.
The really bad news?
When the next bar on the left is added, it'll need a substantial extension of the y axis.
The full report is worth reading if you have a spare half hour;
http://www.resolutionfoundation.org/app/uploads/2017/06/Wealth.pdf
I feel I should stress I am not a Middle Eastern sky fairy.
Confused of Auchentennach.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_Mineralogy_Mapper
and this showing Titanium
There must be another universe where you win this thread.
Try reading what people say to you, instead of deleting it to make yourself look less stupid.
In July 2015 it hit over 40 degrees, and I felt completely desiccated by the time I got out of the RER (disgusting at the best of times) after work.
Not a fan of hot weather!
We may live in the simulation of an technologically advanced alien species who may, to all extents and purposes, be omniscient and omnipotent, but they sure as hell aren't benevolent to us. So you can't call them God with the usual properties.
Mr. Woolie, the confusion clearly stems from my divine tips, which some PBers heretically refuse to acknowledge as Heaven-sent.
After Sodom was destroyed, Lot's daughters got him drunk and "lay with him" so that he'd get them in the club. "Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father" and God was fine with that.
Fascinating stuff.
Where are they all?