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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,077
    Pulpstar said:

    Jersey stakes at 2:30. What time does Liz do her lines for Tessy ?
    Normally about 11am iirc.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,377
    Mr. Punter, also, is (betting-specific) it 'layed' as a specialist term, as opposed to 'laid'? Just curious, as the schoolgirl said to the basketball team.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,953
    The battle within the divided British euro-sceptic movement is raging. Those supporting the 'Full English Brexit' are clearly wibbling, with the EEA/EFTA/ECJ alphabet-soupers gaining the upper hand. Nigel must be looking on appalled. How long before he re-enters the fray, bangs heads together and establishes some much needed discipline and conviction?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2017

    I am not blaming the Tories for this fire or for the society we have developed into. I would blame them for not seeing that what we have now is a serious problem. The fire specifically is horrific, but given where it occurred many will see a wider symbolism in it . You don't. That's fine.

    Corbyn, of course, won millions of extra votes and secured huge majorities for Labour across London before the fire occurred, but at a time when people were already deciding that something has gone seriously wrong with our society.

    I'm sorry but I can't see any connection between this tragic fire and the statement that "something has gone seriously wrong with our society".
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,667
    RobD said:
    Trying to be objective on this: it seems to me possible that the buck stops with K&C council (I saw an interview with a councillor who claimed she'd tried to raise the issue on 18 occasions and had been told to shut up), and there's an argument that funding pressures on councils lead to corner-cutting, but I wouldn't yet launch into the blame game: it needs a proper, fast inquiry, and quite possibly prosecutions and/or political conclusions will follow. Sometimes terrible things happen but nobody is to blame, sometimes there really is a villain who needs to be identified.

    I agree with Southam's general comment, though: it's very much two nations (back in 1983 I was PPC for K&C), and the council has usually seemed to me on the side of the top half. I used to live in the area on Great Peter Street, and well remember a local councillor emailing residents proudly to say that he'd been able to get the number of places at the local homeless shelter down the road REDUCED, because people were worried by the presence of (in my experience entirely inoffensive) homeless people based in the shelter. I told him that he wasn't speaking for me and would like it reversed, and got a meaningless reply.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,001
    Mortimer said:

    I smell hubris.

    How many million votes did the Blue Meanies win, remind me, last week?

    Hubris is what we had on here from people like you before the election. I have no faith in the ability of a Corbyn-led government to provide any long-term solutions to the problems that the UK has. But I do think he has given a lot of people a voice who feel they have not had one for a very long time. I also suspect that this may lead to many more Labour gains in Scotland, more in London and a few more in the North and even, perhaps, parts of the Midlands. I also think the LibDems will benefit form tactical voting and that if the Tories are not careful they will find themselves out of power - especially with the Brexit shambles they have foisted upon us beginning to unwind not to the UK's advantage.

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    Too many people in the EU want to make an example of the UK for that, I fear.

    Actually, I think I detect a change of tone on that. Maybe they think that the political chaos here, and the faltering economy, is already setting the example.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,409

    NEW THREAD

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,077
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Mortimer said:


    I smell hubris.

    How many million votes did the Blue Meanies win, remind me, last week?

    Not enough :D:D:D:D
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,001
    AndyJS said:

    I'm sorry but I can't see any connection between this tragic fire and the statement that "something has gone seriously wrong with our society".

    That is fine by me. If you and others on the right cannot see the symbolism here, then I think that the Tories really are in trouble.

  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    Sounds like common sense to me, I'm a remainer but believe Brexit has to happen as that's what the people voted for.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,771
    SeanT said:

    Ditto. If I'd been told before the vote that voting Leave meant Hard Brexit I would have been very torn.

    I would probably still have voted OUT but... eeeek..... it would have been close.

    It's that daft bint May with her Hard Brexit speech that fucked it all up. No one agreed to that. She just assumed it and pushed it. Fuck her. Ger rid of her. Get a Soft Brexiteer in Number 10 and put us in EEA/EFTA and then we can all go back to fucking normal.

    Enough politics!!!!!!

    May thought it was important to pay attention to the working classes who voted Leave so we could get take back control of immigration.

    Maybe she miscalculated on this but keep in mind if we do go down the EEA/EFTA route and immigration remains out of control your going to have a lot of p*ssed off working class people and UKIP/Farage will remain a very significant player in UK politics...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2017
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  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275
    edited June 2017

    That is fine by me. If you and others on the right cannot see the symbolism here, then I think that the Tories really are in trouble.

    Suppose an airliner were to crash into a prosperous west London suburb, would that demonstrate that something had gone seriously wrong with our society?
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256


    That is fine by me. If you and others on the right cannot see the symbolism here, then I think that the Tories really are in trouble.

    Mr Observer - there is a difference between bad building regulations and bad politics.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,580
    jonny83 said:

    Sounds like common sense to me, I'm a remainer but believe Brexit has to happen as that's what the people voted for.
    Yes, I'm in that box too. We made the bed, we have to lie in it.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,580

    Mr. Punter, also, is (betting-specific) it 'layed' as a specialist term, as opposed to 'laid'? Just curious, as the schoolgirl said to the basketball team.

    I've never been sure, Morris. I'm not a pedant and just use what seems logical to me, but if it's wrong and bothers people I'm happy to adjust. I kind of like 'layed' though, because it differentiates usefully from 'laid', which as you intimate can have spicier connotations.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,236

    Enforcing our higher welfare standards is good but will last only until some secretary of state or other signs a free-trade agreement with America which allows their far lower standards. FTAs are not an unwelcome blessing.
    I agree entirely. But I would much rather we were negotiating those FTAs so we can make sure that we make a stand on areas that are important to us rather than the EU doing so with their own priorities.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Jeremy!
    Hunt? Interesting choice.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045
    Interesting that those who voted Remain (27+21) are a larger group than those who voted Leave (44)
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Well, I guess I count as a "hard core remainer".

    What I am wondering is when do we realise that we are already too embedded into the EU to leave?
    If that were to be the case, we would lynch as traitors the politicians who caused that to be the case without our consent.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    jonny83 said:

    Sounds like common sense to me, I'm a remainer but believe Brexit has to happen as that's what the people voted for.
    And shows why the Libdom position didn't make any sense.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,462

    If that were to be the case, we would lynch as traitors the politicians who caused that to be the case without our consent.
    And the people doing this would think of themselves as conservatives I suppose?
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    If that were to be the case, we would lynch as traitors the politicians who caused that to be the case without our consent.
    Well that would be Major (Maastricht) Blair (Nice) and Brown (Lisbon).
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    And the people doing this would think of themselves as conservatives I suppose?
    We could ask I suppose....
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    I agree entirely. But I would much rather we were negotiating those FTAs so we can make sure that we make a stand on areas that are important to us rather than the EU doing so with their own priorities.
    The Americans have been trying for years to get their substandard food into the UK and EU. I was not surprised to hear that The Champion of American Business President Trump was rubbing his hand with glee and wanting to sign an FTA with us.
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