Completely off topic, what with all the nastiness and infighting sometimes it's nice to appreciate something like this to remind ourselves to what heights we can sometimes scale:
Would Damian Green fancy a shot at PM? He's got a TV background, has always seemed fairly competent and reasonable. I doubt Corbyn could beat him. Rudd is the other obvious one but her business background could still cause problems.
Rudd's problem is her majority.
There's no way a PM can deal with a majority that small whilst campaigning during a general election.
Would be like Chris Patten in 1992 all over again.
Green is an intriguing option, he has no enemies in the party.
As as noted before, you often win the Tory leadership by not being someone else
So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.
What are they supposed to do? Promise to abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?
It should be patently obvious that the electorate have thrown a hospital pass. A party with a modicum of strategic nouse would see that you don't want to be the one holding the ball. They should have let Corbyn form a government and vote him out on a whim once he has sacrificed all the gain he made in the 7 week campaign. That is of course also entirely in their self interest, but has the added advantage of being the sensible approach to avoiding catastrophe next time.
Nonsense.
What's nonsense about it? they'll be crying into their champers in October when they go sub 200 seats again after screwing Brexit, the Northern Irish and themselves.
There isn't going to be an election until either YG says the Cons can win - or 2021.
But what if things keep keeping worse for them, TG? By 2021 they could be envying Plaid Cymru.
Would Damian Green fancy a shot at PM? He's got a TV background, has always seemed fairly competent and reasonable. I doubt Corbyn could beat him. Rudd is the other obvious one but her business background could still cause problems.
Rudd's problem is her majority.
There's no way a PM can deal with a majority that small whilst campaigning during a general election.
Would be like Chris Patten in 1992 all over again.
Green is an intriguing option, he has no enemies in the party.
As as noted before, you often win the Tory leadership by not being someone else
What would Rudd's majority be after boundary changes ? (assuming they could progress).
So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.
What are they supposed to do? Promise to abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?
It should be patently obvious that the electorate have thrown a hospital pass. A party with a modicum of strategic nouse would see that you don't want to be the one holding the ball. They should have let Corbyn form a government and vote him out on a whim once he has sacrificed all the gain he made in the 7 week campaign. That is of course also entirely in their self interest, but has the added advantage of being the sensible approach to avoiding catastrophe next time.
Nonsense.
What's nonsense about it? they'll be crying into their champers in October when they go sub 200 seats again after screwing Brexit, the Northern Irish and themselves.
There isn't going to be an election until either YG says the Cons can win - or 2021.
or a handful of MPs have had enough.
Seriously, there's a decent case for saying they should cut and run now, or very soon. Get the pain out of the way, hand the crisis to the opposition and sit back and watch. In five years, people would be screaming for the return of the Tories.
It's not very attractive, but the alternative could be much worse.
Would Damian Green fancy a shot at PM? He's got a TV background, has always seemed fairly competent and reasonable. I doubt Corbyn could beat him. Rudd is the other obvious one but her business background could still cause problems.
Rudd's problem is her majority.
There's no way a PM can deal with a majority that small whilst campaigning during a general election.
Would be like Chris Patten in 1992 all over again.
Green is an intriguing option, he has no enemies in the party.
As as noted before, you often win the Tory leadership by not being someone else
Green also has a whiff of the anti establishment about him after his run in with the plod
Peter, I'm afraid dupuytren's contracture put an end to my guitar playing and anyway you'd have to use a logarithmic scale to get me and Segovia on the same axis.
Did you read Osborne's editorial urging people to vote Tory.
.
It's all very well having a "drip, drip, drip" of poison against Theresa May and the Tories in Osborne's paper day after day... And then finally coming out on election day and saying "Vote Conservative"
The damage had already been done!
Here is Ms. Toynbee in her element (From around 3:50
Peter, I'm afraid dupuytren's contracture put an end to my guitar playing and anyway you'd have to use a logarithmic scale to get me and Segovia on the same axis.
It's all very well having a "drip, drip, drip" of daily poison against Theresa May and the Tories in Osborne's paper day after day... And then finally coming out on the day and saying "Vote Conservative"
The damage had already been done!
Here is Ms. Toynbee in her element (From around 3:50
So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.
What are they supposed to do? Promise to abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?
It should be patently obvious that the electorate have thrown a hospital pass. A party with a modicum of strategic nouse would see that you don't want to be the one holding the ball. They should have let Corbyn form a government and vote him out on a whim once he has sacrificed all the gain he made in the 7 week campaign. That is of course also entirely in their self interest, but has the added advantage of being the sensible approach to avoiding catastrophe next time.
Nonsense.
What's nonsense about it? they'll be crying into their champers in October when they go sub 200 seats again after screwing Brexit, the Northern Irish and themselves.
There isn't going to be an election until either YG says the Cons can win - or 2021.
or a handful of MPs have had enough.
Seriously, there's a decent case for saying they should cut and run now, or very soon. Get the pain out of the way, hand the crisis to the opposition and sit back and watch. In five years, people would be screaming for the return of the Tories.
It's not very attractive, but the alternative could be much worse.
Nail on head. Take the hit now 'in the national interest' Corbyn and McDonnell will ensure Brexit and Brexit indeed may fail under this zombie government.
Would Damian Green fancy a shot at PM? He's got a TV background, has always seemed fairly competent and reasonable. I doubt Corbyn could beat him. Rudd is the other obvious one but her business background could still cause problems.
Rudd's problem is her majority.
There's no way a PM can deal with a majority that small whilst campaigning during a general election.
Would be like Chris Patten in 1992 all over again.
Green is an intriguing option, he has no enemies in the party.
As as noted before, you often win the Tory leadership by not being someone else
What would Rudd's majority be after boundary changes ? (assuming they could progress).
Not sure, I think it might be a smallish Tory majority but not enough for her to be remotely safe
These people have nevertheless done far more serious damage to our country and its standing than Corbyn and his mates.
The Senior Tory in question? I agree. People like him with their arrogance and disregard for public opinion have indeed done serious damage to our country.
It's all very well having a "drip, drip, drip" of daily poison against Theresa May and the Tories in Osborne's paper day after day... And then finally coming out on the day and saying "Vote Conservative"
The damage had already been done!
Here is Ms. Toynbee in her element (From around 3:50
I'm sure this video will be brought back up should Osborne ever attempt a Con comeback in any capacity.
George Osborne has clearly moved on from his previous ambitions. He seems to be having the time of his life.
He'll be wanting to get back in again one day you can guarantee that. Once May has departed and he's seen his petty revenge to its conclusion he'll start getting bored with ES and be craving power once more.
So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.
What are they supposed to do? Promise to abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?
It should be patently obvious that the electorate have thrown a hospital pass. A party with a modicum of strategic nouse would see that you don't want to be the one holding the ball. They should have let Corbyn form a government and vote him out on a whim once he has sacrificed all the gain he made in the 7 week campaign. That is of course also entirely in their self interest, but has the added advantage of being the sensible approach to avoiding catastrophe next time.
Nonsense.
What's nonsense about it? they'll be crying into their champers in October when they go sub 200 seats again after screwing Brexit, the Northern Irish and themselves.
There isn't going to be an election until either YG says the Cons can win - or 2021.
But what if things keep keeping worse for them, TG? By 2021 they could be envying Plaid Cymru.
I heard that in 2010.
And there's some Law of Electoral Gravity that says it can't happen? This is a crisis, mate, and we're outwith normal parameters.
So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.
What are they supposed to do? Promise to abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?
It should be patently obvious that the electorate have thrown a hospital pass. A party with a modicum of strategic nouse would see that you don't want to be the one holding the ball. They should have let Corbyn form a government and vote him out on a whim once he has sacrificed all the gain he made in the 7 week campaign. That is of course also entirely in their self interest, but has the added advantage of being the sensible approach to avoiding catastrophe next time.
Nonsense.
What's nonsense about it? they'll be crying into their champers in October when they go sub 200 seats again after screwing Brexit, the Northern Irish and themselves.
There isn't going to be an election until either YG says the Cons can win - or 2021.
or a handful of MPs have had enough.
Seriously, there's a decent case for saying they should cut and run now, or very soon. Get the pain out of the way, hand the crisis to the opposition and sit back and watch. In five years, people would be screaming for the return of the Tories.
It's not very attractive, but the alternative could be much worse.
Nail on head. Take the hit now 'in the national interest' Corbyn and McDonnell will ensure Brexit and Brexit indeed may fail under this zombie government.
The probability is that a second GE this year is likely to be equally indecisive.
Would Damian Green fancy a shot at PM? He's got a TV background, has always seemed fairly competent and reasonable. I doubt Corbyn could beat him. Rudd is the other obvious one but her business background could still cause problems.
Rudd's problem is her majority.
There's no way a PM can deal with a majority that small whilst campaigning during a general election.
Would be like Chris Patten in 1992 all over again.
Green is an intriguing option, he has no enemies in the party.
As as noted before, you often win the Tory leadership by not being someone else
Green also has a whiff of the anti establishment about him after his run in with the plod
Yep, back story. His problem I would think is that he doesn't really offer the grassroots much red meat.
Would you like more examples of only lefties being obsessed about the DUP ruining equality rights for the LGBTI community?
Support your party.
TSE is a Conservative supporter? Really?
I noticed on Marr yesterday La Toynbee was congratulating Boy George on all his help in destroying Theresa and getting Jezza within a few hundred votes of Downing St.
Hope Con members remember this should Osborne ever attempt a comeback.
I have been a member for over 20 years, I've helped in small ways in getting a few Tory MPs elected.
Did you read Osborne's editorial urging people to vote Tory.
It boils my piss that I'm getting lectured by people who flirted with voting UKIP in 2015 and people who showed Cameron no loyalty to support my party.
Putting party before country is what makes you the subject of such rightful scorn. It seems you are utterly bereft of principles.
It's all very well having a "drip, drip, drip" of daily poison against Theresa May and the Tories in Osborne's paper day after day... And then finally coming out on the day and saying "Vote Conservative"
The damage had already been done!
Here is Ms. Toynbee in her element (From around 3:50
I'm sure this video will be brought back up should Osborne ever attempt a Con comeback in any capacity.
George Osborne has clearly moved on from his previous ambitions. He seems to be having the time of his life.
He'll be wanting to get back in again one day you can guarantee that. Once May has departed and he's seen his petty revenge to its conclusion he'll start getting bored with ES and be craving power once more.
He really doesn't.
He's moved on, he's self aware, he's hurting that his party is struggling.
The only way he's ever coming back is in a national emergency, or if a Tory PM ennobles him and he plays the role of Mandy to a Tory Brown.
Would Damian Green fancy a shot at PM? He's got a TV background, has always seemed fairly competent and reasonable. I doubt Corbyn could beat him. Rudd is the other obvious one but her business background could still cause problems.
Rudd's problem is her majority.
There's no way a PM can deal with a majority that small whilst campaigning during a general election.
Would be like Chris Patten in 1992 all over again.
Green is an intriguing option, he has no enemies in the party.
As as noted before, you often win the Tory leadership by not being someone else
Rudd's majority is not a practical impediment to her becoming PM. A safe seat could easily be found prior to the next general election. In 1963 the Conservatives magically found Lord Home a safe seat at Kinross and West Perthshire.
It's all very well having a "drip, drip, drip" of daily poison against Theresa May and the Tories in Osborne's paper day after day... And then finally coming out on the day and saying "Vote Conservative"
The damage had already been done!
Here is Ms. Toynbee in her element (From around 3:50
I'm sure this video will be brought back up should Osborne ever attempt a Con comeback in any capacity.
George Osborne has clearly moved on from his previous ambitions. He seems to be having the time of his life.
He'll be wanting to get back in again one day you can guarantee that. Once May has departed and he's seen his petty revenge to its conclusion he'll start getting bored with ES and be craving power once more.
He really doesn't.
He's moved on, he's self aware, he's hurting that his party is struggling.
The only way he's ever coming back is in a national emergency, or if a Tory PM ennobles him and he plays the role of Mandy to a Tory Brown.
GO's main goal has always been GO - nothing has changed.
Given the way that Labour defied expectations in the run-up to the election, I think we have to at least listen to the explanations of those behind that outperformance.
Osborne's piece right before the election was more like 'Vote Tory, but then get rid of May after you win'. He highlighted and praised Davidson and Rudd in his piece more than back May.
IF he does come back it wouldn't be an easy road back for him, I think some of his articles will not have gone down well with the Tory faithful even if they have been spot on. I think the party would have to be out of power and not looking like being anywhere near close to a return (like post 97) for them to turn to him.
I think I would rather see Cameron back more than Osborne, right now anyway.
Would you like more examples of only lefties being obsessed about the DUP ruining equality rights for the LGBTI community?
Support your party.
TSE is a Conservative supporter? Really?
I noticed on Marr yesterday La Toynbee was congratulating Boy George on all his help in destroying Theresa and getting Jezza within a few hundred votes of Downing St.
Hope Con members remember this should Osborne ever attempt a comeback.
I have been a member for over 20 years, I've helped in small ways in getting a few Tory MPs elected.
Did you read Osborne's editorial urging people to vote Tory.
It boils my piss that I'm getting lectured by people who flirted with voting UKIP in 2015 and people who showed Cameron no loyalty to support my party.
Putting party before country is what makes you the subject of such rightful scorn. It seems you are utterly bereft of principles.
I put the country first, it just so happy that up to quite recently what was good for my party was also good for the country.
I've spent the last 72 hours expressing my socially liberal principles.
Would Damian Green fancy a shot at PM? He's got a TV background, has always seemed fairly competent and reasonable. I doubt Corbyn could beat him. Rudd is the other obvious one but her business background could still cause problems.
Rudd's problem is her majority.
There's no way a PM can deal with a majority that small whilst campaigning during a general election.
Would be like Chris Patten in 1992 all over again.
Green is an intriguing option, he has no enemies in the party.
As as noted before, you often win the Tory leadership by not being someone else
What would Rudd's majority be after boundary changes ? (assuming they could progress).
Not sure, I think it might be a smallish Tory majority but not enough for her to be remotely safe
The Hastings & Rye seat is unchanged (apart from possibly negligible ward boundary realignment)
@TSE - should we ban trade in all products because some idiots misuse them?
The inland ivory trade ban was a stupid idea promoted by those who don't understand culture, history, or the antiques trade.
This is a very reasonable point. But the problem is few people see into this world, and so the idea of anything made of ivory - even a hundred years ago - has passed beyond the realm of social acceptability for large parts of the population.
Yup - absolutely fine, I understand that. No-one is being forced to buy ivory at the moment.
But the quasi-puritanical lust amongst antis to grind existing works of art into dust is literally philistinism. It should not have been pandered to in the first place.
I really do sympathise with you on this one. Sorry if that was not clear from my post.
Would Damian Green fancy a shot at PM? He's got a TV background, has always seemed fairly competent and reasonable. I doubt Corbyn could beat him. Rudd is the other obvious one but her business background could still cause problems.
Rudd's problem is her majority.
There's no way a PM can deal with a majority that small whilst campaigning during a general election.
Would be like Chris Patten in 1992 all over again.
Green is an intriguing option, he has no enemies in the party.
As as noted before, you often win the Tory leadership by not being someone else
Rudd's majority is not a practical impediment to her becoming PM. A safe seat could easily be found prior to the next general election. In 1963 the Conservatives magically found Lord Home a safe seat at Kinross and West Perthshire.
But just imagine the headlines 'Rudd does the chicken run' it would send all sorts of bad signals that the Tory party wasn't confident about winning.
It's all very well having a "drip, drip, drip" of daily poison against Theresa May and the Tories in Osborne's paper day after day... And then finally coming out on the day and saying "Vote Conservative"
The damage had already been done!
Here is Ms. Toynbee in her element (From around 3:50
I'm sure this video will be brought back up should Osborne ever attempt a Con comeback in any capacity.
George Osborne has clearly moved on from his previous ambitions. He seems to be having the time of his life.
He'll be wanting to get back in again one day you can guarantee that. Once May has departed and he's seen his petty revenge to its conclusion he'll start getting bored with ES and be craving power once more.
This snake will try and get back one day. Politics runs through him like a stick of Blackpool rock. The problem is will politics have moved on from his particular type of Ed Balls thuggishness, although Osborne was slightly more subtle than Balls). Also, will the cabal he left behind still be there?
Would you like more examples of only lefties being obsessed about the DUP ruining equality rights for the LGBTI community?
Support your party.
TSE is a Conservative supporter? Really?
I noticed on Marr yesterday La Toynbee was congratulating Boy George on all his help in destroying Theresa and getting Jezza within a few hundred votes of Downing St.
Hope Con members remember this should Osborne ever attempt a comeback.
I have been a member for over 20 years, I've helped in small ways in getting a few Tory MPs elected.
Did you read Osborne's editorial urging people to vote Tory.
It boils my piss that I'm getting lectured by people who flirted with voting UKIP in 2015 and people who showed Cameron no loyalty to support my party.
Putting party before country is what makes you the subject of such rightful scorn. It seems you are utterly bereft of principles.
I put the country first, it just so happy that up to quite recently what was good for my party was also good for the country.
I've spent the last 72 hours expressing my socially liberal principles.
And yet will still support a party that is undermining those principles.
Would Damian Green fancy a shot at PM? He's got a TV background, has always seemed fairly competent and reasonable. I doubt Corbyn could beat him. Rudd is the other obvious one but her business background could still cause problems.
Rudd's problem is her majority.
There's no way a PM can deal with a majority that small whilst campaigning during a general election.
Would be like Chris Patten in 1992 all over again.
Green is an intriguing option, he has no enemies in the party.
As as noted before, you often win the Tory leadership by not being someone else
Rudd's majority is not a practical impediment to her becoming PM. A safe seat could easily be found prior to the next general election. In 1963 the Conservatives magically found Lord Home a safe seat at Kinross and West Perthshire.
But just imagine the headlines 'Rudd does the chicken run' it would send all sorts of bad signals that the Tory party wasn't confident about winning.
They could always try increasing the majority by say - having good policies.
It's all very well having a "drip, drip, drip" of daily poison against Theresa May and the Tories in Osborne's paper day after day... And then finally coming out on the day and saying "Vote Conservative"
The damage had already been done!
Here is Ms. Toynbee in her element (From around 3:50
I'm sure this video will be brought back up should Osborne ever attempt a Con comeback in any capacity.
George Osborne has clearly moved on from his previous ambitions. He seems to be having the time of his life.
He'll be wanting to get back in again one day you can guarantee that. Once May has departed and he's seen his petty revenge to its conclusion he'll start getting bored with ES and be craving power once more.
He really doesn't.
He's moved on, he's self aware, he's hurting that his party is struggling.
The only way he's ever coming back is in a national emergency, or if a Tory PM ennobles him and he plays the role of Mandy to a Tory Brown.
He does exactly look like he's hurting very much! Fair enough I suppose given what happened to him at May's hands but let's not pretend he isn't enjoying seeing her her struggle and that he and his erstwhile allies in parliament aren't making the prospect of a Corbyn premiership more likely.
The PM has apologised and now everyone should get off her back. She is a human being after. Although, not a Labour supporter, I said exactly the same thing about Gordon Brown when he was being pulled apart. I absolutely hate it when the media and others hunt in a pack.
Would you like more examples of only lefties being obsessed about the DUP ruining equality rights for the LGBTI community?
Support your party.
TSE is a Conservative supporter? Really?
I noticed on Marr yesterday La Toynbee was congratulating Boy George on all his help in destroying Theresa and getting Jezza within a few hundred votes of Downing St.
Hope Con members remember this should Osborne ever attempt a comeback.
I have been a member for over 20 years, I've helped in small ways in getting a few Tory MPs elected.
Did you read Osborne's editorial urging people to vote Tory.
It boils my piss that I'm getting lectured by people who flirted with voting UKIP in 2015 and people who showed Cameron no loyalty to support my party.
Putting party before country is what makes you the subject of such rightful scorn. It seems you are utterly bereft of principles.
I put the country first, it just so happy that up to quite recently what was good for my party was also good for the country.
I've spent the last 72 hours expressing my socially liberal principles.
And yet will still support a party that is undermining those principles.
I'm making sure those principles aren't undermined.
Would Damian Green fancy a shot at PM? He's got a TV background, has always seemed fairly competent and reasonable. I doubt Corbyn could beat him. Rudd is the other obvious one but her business background could still cause problems.
Rudd's problem is her majority.
There's no way a PM can deal with a majority that small whilst campaigning during a general election.
Would be like Chris Patten in 1992 all over again.
Green is an intriguing option, he has no enemies in the party.
As as noted before, you often win the Tory leadership by not being someone else
What would Rudd's majority be after boundary changes ? (assuming they could progress).
Not sure, I think it might be a smallish Tory majority but not enough for her to be remotely safe
The Hastings & Rye seat is unchanged (apart from possibly negligible ward boundary realignment)
Cue a Conservative proposal taken up that splits Rye from Hastings and she can run with that to some safe 'Battle and Rye' type seat...
It's all very well having a "drip, drip, drip" of daily poison against Theresa May and the Tories in Osborne's paper day after day... And then finally coming out on the day and saying "Vote Conservative"
The damage had already been done!
Here is Ms. Toynbee in her element (From around 3:50
I'm sure this video will be brought back up should Osborne ever attempt a Con comeback in any capacity.
George Osborne has clearly moved on from his previous ambitions. He seems to be having the time of his life.
He'll be wanting to get back in again one day you can guarantee that. Once May has departed and he's seen his petty revenge to its conclusion he'll start getting bored with ES and be craving power once more.
He really doesn't.
He's moved on, he's self aware, he's hurting that his party is struggling.
The only way he's ever coming back is in a national emergency, or if a Tory PM ennobles him and he plays the role of Mandy to a Tory Brown.
He does exactly look like he's hurting very much! Fair enough I suppose given what happened to him at May's hands but let's not pretend he isn't enjoying seeing her her struggle and that he and his erstwhile allies in parliament aren't making the prospect of a Corbyn premiership more likely.
He really isn't, watch ITV's result show, and when the Tory losses came in, that was a man who was pained, seeing his hard work undone.
Trust me, he really doesn't want Corbyn to be PM, he knows what a disaster that will be for the country.
@TSE - should we ban trade in all products because some idiots misuse them?
The inland ivory trade ban was a stupid idea promoted by those who don't understand culture, history, or the antiques trade.
This is a very reasonable point. But the problem is few people see into this world, and so the idea of anything made of ivory - even a hundred years ago - has passed beyond the realm of social acceptability for large parts of the population.
Yup - absolutely fine, I understand that. No-one is being forced to buy ivory at the moment.
But the quasi-puritanical lust amongst antis to grind existing works of art into dust is literally philistinism. It should not have been pandered to in the first place.
I really do sympathise with you on this one. Sorry if that was not clear from my post.
Thanks. I've never actually had a piece of ivory, given I'm in the book trade rather than the antiques trade proper, but the precedent setting of destroying art because of what it contains scares me enormously.
I think I would rather see Cameron back more than Osborne, right now anyway.
I'd be interested in polling with these options:
The Conservatives led by Theresa May Labour led by Jeremy Corbyn A new pro-European party led by David Cameron
A British 'en marche'?
Yep. Perhaps the prodigal son is the one to lead it. The man last seen warning of the dire consequences of voting Leave returning to the fray to lead the people back to sanity.
It's all very well having a "drip, drip, drip" of daily poison against Theresa May and the Tories in Osborne's paper day after day... And then finally coming out on the day and saying "Vote Conservative"
The damage had already been done!
Here is Ms. Toynbee in her element (From around 3:50
I'm sure this video will be brought back up should Osborne ever attempt a Con comeback in any capacity.
George Osborne has clearly moved on from his previous ambitions. He seems to be having the time of his life.
He'll be wanting to get back in again one day you can guarantee that. Once May has departed and he's seen his petty revenge to its conclusion he'll start getting bored with ES and be craving power once more.
This snake will try and get back one day. Politics runs through him like a stick of Blackpool rock. The problem is will politics have moved on from his particular type of Ed Balls thuggishness, although Osborne was slightly more subtle than Balls). Also, will the cabal he left behind still be there?
But you have to laugh, surely? Something I have learnt is that George Osborne has a good sense of humour. An SOH is bar from high office, though.
Sadly, even if the Tories behave, I fear May will come aground in the autumn of 2018, when the House of Lords refuses to pass the Great Repeal Bill and Labour call for another election for her to win a mandate for the deal.
Would Damian Green fancy a shot at PM? He's got a TV background, has always seemed fairly competent and reasonable. I doubt Corbyn could beat him. Rudd is the other obvious one but her business background could still cause problems.
Rudd's problem is her majority.
There's no way a PM can deal with a majority that small whilst campaigning during a general election.
Would be like Chris Patten in 1992 all over again.
Green is an intriguing option, he has no enemies in the party.
As as noted before, you often win the Tory leadership by not being someone else
Rudd's majority is not a practical impediment to her becoming PM. A safe seat could easily be found prior to the next general election. In 1963 the Conservatives magically found Lord Home a safe seat at Kinross and West Perthshire.
But just imagine the headlines 'Rudd does the chicken run' it would send all sorts of bad signals that the Tory party wasn't confident about winning.
Chickens, goats, elephants, foxes .... what is with you Tories and killing animals ?
It's all very well having a "drip, drip, drip" of daily poison against Theresa May and the Tories in Osborne's paper day after day... And then finally coming out on the day and saying "Vote Conservative"
The damage had already been done!
Here is Ms. Toynbee in her element (From around 3:50
I'm sure this video will be brought back up should Osborne ever attempt a Con comeback in any capacity.
George Osborne has clearly moved on from his previous ambitions. He seems to be having the time of his life.
He'll be wanting to get back in again one day you can guarantee that. Once May has departed and he's seen his petty revenge to its conclusion he'll start getting bored with ES and be craving power once more.
He really doesn't.
He's moved on, he's self aware, he's hurting that his party is struggling.
The only way he's ever coming back is in a national emergency, or if a Tory PM ennobles him and he plays the role of Mandy to a Tory Brown.
He does exactly look like he's hurting very much! Fair enough I suppose given what happened to him at May's hands but let's not pretend he isn't enjoying seeing her her struggle and that he and his erstwhile allies in parliament aren't making the prospect of a Corbyn premiership more likely.
He really isn't, watch ITV's result show, and when the Tory losses came in, that was a man who was pained, seeing his hard work undone.
Trust me, he really doesn't want Corbyn to be PM, he knows what a disaster that will be for the country.
I would agree he was clearly hurting that night especially when the results came in or he heard rumors from contacts that people were in serious danger of losing their seats.
Given the way that Labour defied expectations in the run-up to the election, I think we have to at least listen to the explanations of those behind that outperformance.
Gramsci... The Hero if the Brighton Uni Humanities Dept. I used his theory to take down the smears thrown at Enoch!
Sadly, even if the Tories behave, I fear May will come aground in the autumn of 2018, when the House of Lords refuses to pass the Great Repeal Bill and Labour call for another election for her to win a mandate for the deal.
I don't think that's realistic, just hold an ultimatum with the Lords saying that they accept the deal the Commons and the EU have agreed or we crash out of the EU with no deal. The Lords would need to back down.
It's all very well having a "drip, drip, drip" of daily poison against Theresa May and the Tories in Osborne's paper day after day... And then finally coming out on the day and saying "Vote Conservative"
The damage had already been done!
Here is Ms. Toynbee in her element (From around 3:50
I'm sure this video will be brought back up should Osborne ever attempt a Con comeback in any capacity.
George Osborne has clearly moved on from his previous ambitions. He seems to be having the time of his life.
He'll be wanting to get back in again one day you can guarantee that. Once May has departed and he's seen his petty revenge to its conclusion he'll start getting bored with ES and be craving power once more.
He really doesn't.
He's moved on, he's self aware, he's hurting that his party is struggling.
The only way he's ever coming back is in a national emergency, or if a Tory PM ennobles him and he plays the role of Mandy to a Tory Brown.
He does exactly look like he's hurting very much! Fair enough I suppose given what happened to him at May's hands but let's not pretend he isn't enjoying seeing her her struggle and that he and his erstwhile allies in parliament aren't making the prospect of a Corbyn premiership more likely.
He really isn't, watch ITV's result show, and when the Tory losses came in, that was a man who was pained, seeing his hard work undone.
Trust me, he really doesn't want Corbyn to be PM, he knows what a disaster that will be for the country.
I would agree he was clearly hurting that night especially when the results came in or he heard rumors from contacts that people were in serious danger of losing their seats.
Some of them would have been good friends and people he respected. He'd have been hurting.
If reports are to be believed he is having something of a dark night of the soul right now. Could be the perfrect antidote. He might even team up with Blair for old times' sake!!!
It's all very well having a "drip, drip, drip" of daily poison against Theresa May and the Tories in Osborne's paper day after day... And then finally coming out on the day and saying "Vote Conservative"
The damage had already been done!
Here is Ms. Toynbee in her element (From around 3:50
I'm sure this video will be brought back up should Osborne ever attempt a Con comeback in any capacity.
George Osborne has clearly moved on from his previous ambitions. He seems to be having the time of his life.
He'll be wanting to get back in again one day you can guarantee that. Once May has departed and he's seen his petty revenge to its conclusion he'll start getting bored with ES and be craving power once more.
He really doesn't.
He's moved on, he's self aware, he's hurting that his party is struggling.
The only way he's ever coming back is in a national emergency, or if a Tory PM ennobles him and he plays the role of Mandy to a Tory Brown.
He does exactly look like he's hurting very much! Fair enough I suppose given what happened to him at May's hands but let's not pretend he isn't enjoying seeing her her struggle and that he and his erstwhile allies in parliament aren't making the prospect of a Corbyn premiership more likely.
He really isn't, watch ITV's result show, and when the Tory losses came in, that was a man who was pained, seeing his hard work undone.
Trust me, he really doesn't want Corbyn to be PM, he knows what a disaster that will be for the country.
I would agree he was clearly hurting that night especially when the results came in or he heard rumors from contacts that people were in serious danger of losing their seats.
Some of them would have been good friends and people he respected. He'd have been hurting.
Sadly, even if the Tories behave, I fear May will come aground in the autumn of 2018, when the House of Lords refuses to pass the Great Repeal Bill and Labour call for another election for her to win a mandate for the deal.
Which is why May will need to work WITH Labour and the Lords. The landscape has changed. She and her MPs haven't acknowledged it yet.
I think I would rather see Cameron back more than Osborne, right now anyway.
I'd be interested in polling with these options:
The Conservatives led by Theresa May Labour led by Jeremy Corbyn A new pro-European party led by David Cameron
I doubt it would poll highly with Cameron in charge. Non Tory remainders despise him for, in their view, being too weak to stand up to the Brexiteers in his own party and UKIP, while the anti-European Tories and Kippers hate him for fighting the referendum so hard. That leaves Tory remainders which are (possibly) 10-15 of the total electorate.
I had, and still have, a lot of time for Cameron (and some, though less time for GO) but was steaming about the way he portrayed Brexiteers. I've voted Tory in every election, local, European and General since I could first vote in 1999 but I'm not sure I could have voted for Cameron or Osborne again.
Sadly, even if the Tories behave, I fear May will come aground in the autumn of 2018, when the House of Lords refuses to pass the Great Repeal Bill and Labour call for another election for her to win a mandate for the deal.
I don't think that's realistic, just hold an ultimatum with the Lords saying that they accept the deal the Commons and the EU have agreed or we crash out of the EU with no deal. The Lords would need to back down.
I worry that Clarke, Soubry, Neill, Morgan and Grieve would let her down in that situation. If it's just those five, she would at least still win in the Commons, and there are the remaining Labour Leavers too.
This is why the Tory party has been so much more successful than Labour, much better at putting on fake shows of unity. Where as Labour don't attempt to show unity but they don't get rid of the leader either.
Sadly, even if the Tories behave, I fear May will come aground in the autumn of 2018, when the House of Lords refuses to pass the Great Repeal Bill and Labour call for another election for her to win a mandate for the deal.
Which is why May will need to work WITH Labour and the Lords. The landscape has changed. She and her MPs haven't acknowledged it yet.
The inverse of no deal is better than a bad deal is that any deal is better than no deal.
Unless Labour and the Lords are prepared to walk away with no deal then Article 50 means they must accept whatever the government and the EU negotiate. Otherwise the clock ticks until we have no deal and Labour and the Lords have said that they won't accept that as an option.
Given the way that Labour defied expectations in the run-up to the election, I think we have to at least listen to the explanations of those behind that outperformance.
You are right we do. But Mason's is not an explanation. TGOHF is right, it is bilge founded on a deeply bigoted view of those who support Brexit. The idea that Brexit is the enemy of social democracy must be particularly welcoming to all those millions of left wing Leavers.
Mason is a tosser unworthy of the title of journalist. There are far better Remainer writers on PB right now who can explain both the reason people voted for Brexit and why in their view it is a bad thing.
Sadly, even if the Tories behave, I fear May will come aground in the autumn of 2018, when the House of Lords refuses to pass the Great Repeal Bill and Labour call for another election for her to win a mandate for the deal.
Which is why May will need to work WITH Labour and the Lords. The landscape has changed. She and her MPs haven't acknowledged it yet.
Why should Labour help her? They have every incentive to make her fail.
The PM has apologised and now everyone should get off her back. She is a human being after. Although, not a Labour supporter, I said exactly the same thing about Gordon Brown when he was being pulled apart. I absolutely hate it when the media and others hunt in a pack.
The PM has said "sorry". Well that's ok then ....
£130m down the swanny on an unnecessary general election called for narrow party interest, resulting in instability, a coalition of chaos and potential difficulties for the peace process.
Sadly, even if the Tories behave, I fear May will come aground in the autumn of 2018, when the House of Lords refuses to pass the Great Repeal Bill and Labour call for another election for her to win a mandate for the deal.
I don't think that's realistic, just hold an ultimatum with the Lords saying that they accept the deal the Commons and the EU have agreed or we crash out of the EU with no deal. The Lords would need to back down.
I worry that Clarke, Soubry, Neill, Morgan and Grieve would let her down in that situation. If it's just those five, she would at least still win in the Commons, and there are the remaining Labour Leavers too.
Clarke, Soubry et al face the same dilemma. If Barnier, Juncker et al as well as May and Davis announce that this is the deal - it is either this or nothing - then what can Soubry do? Say I'd prefer nothing? I don't think so.
Sadly, even if the Tories behave, I fear May will come aground in the autumn of 2018, when the House of Lords refuses to pass the Great Repeal Bill and Labour call for another election for her to win a mandate for the deal.
Which is why May will need to work WITH Labour and the Lords. The landscape has changed. She and her MPs haven't acknowledged it yet.
The inverse of no deal is better than a bad deal is that any deal is better than no deal.
Unless Labour and the Lords are prepared to walk away with no deal then Article 50 means they must accept whatever the government and the EU negotiate. Otherwise the clock ticks until we have no deal and Labour and the Lords have said that they won't accept that as an option.
I imagine that if they decide to vote against the governments plans they will say that it is the responsibility of the government to get an Article 50 extension rather than allowing the UK to crash out.
Sadly, even if the Tories behave, I fear May will come aground in the autumn of 2018, when the House of Lords refuses to pass the Great Repeal Bill and Labour call for another election for her to win a mandate for the deal.
Which is why May will need to work WITH Labour and the Lords. The landscape has changed. She and her MPs haven't acknowledged it yet.
The inverse of no deal is better than a bad deal is that any deal is better than no deal.
Unless Labour and the Lords are prepared to walk away with no deal then Article 50 means they must accept whatever the government and the EU negotiate. Otherwise the clock ticks until we have no deal and Labour and the Lords have said that they won't accept that as an option.
Mrs May telling Labour and the Lords where to stuff it won't work any more. That's pre 8 June thinking. She needs to be nice to them. (it would also help if she were nice to the EU partners as well). Her job is to act as the middleman between Labour and the EU, because between them they call the shots but she and the Conservatives will get the blame if anything goes wrong. If she doesn't like it, she shouldn't have triggered Article 50 and then an election.
A few points about the absurd spectacle that is ZombieMay's Tory Party:
1. The convention is that a defeated government can try and get its programme through a Queens Speech. That May can't even write a QS acceptable to her new "friends" is not acceptable - she needs to go to the Commons and it will pass or fail. We need a government and can't wait for her to faff around with her homophobic misogynist terrorist friends.
2. This DUP deal is the shoddiest arrangement since Joachim von Ribbentrop got on the phone to Vyacheslav Molotov and proposed a coalition deal. Set aside the Good Friday Agreement which dictates that UK and ROI governments stand by impartially to guarantee the peace. Set aside the lack of a Northern Irish Assembly which failed because Arlene 'Red Hand' Foster got herself stuck into a cash for ash scheme. Set aside the anger that English voters have towards "foreign" parties having undue influence over their government.
And look at the reprehensible disgusting creatures that May and the Conservative Party think are suitable partners for government. Aside from being a party directly linked to terrorism - and we know how association with terrorism makes someone unfit to be PM - they have some offensively backwards views towards women, the gay community, minority religious groups and to modern society as a whole. I have many friends who possess a vagina, a rosary, 21st century morality, an interest in their own sex and many possess a combination of all four.
I myself am a bisexual man, my eldest son is gay, two close friends have finally had the confidence to get engaged and I look forward to my first gay wedding next year. It took me 15 years to publicly come out having lived in fear of how society would see me. I am not having my 16 year old son live in fear as I did because it becomes ok again to abuse anyone who isn't straight - the DUP represent all that we have left behind in GB and love Norn Iron as I do this is one area in which they are 20 years out of date.
A deal with the DUP is a deal too far. Is there no barrel that this PM won't scrape to cling to power?
A few points about the absurd spectacle that is ZombieMay's Tory Party:
1. The convention is that a defeated government can try and get its programme through a Queens Speech. That May can't even write a QS acceptable to her new "friends" is not acceptable - she needs to go to the Commons and it will pass or fail. We need a government and can't wait for her to faff around with her homophobic misogynist terrorist friends.
2. This DUP deal is the shoddiest arrangement since Joachim von Ribbentrop got on the phone to Vyacheslav Molotov and proposed a coalition deal. Set aside the Good Friday Agreement which dictates that UK and ROI governments stand by impartially to guarantee the peace. Set aside the lack of a Northern Irish Assembly which failed because Arlene 'Red Hand' Foster got herself stuck into a cash for ash scheme. Set aside the anger that English voters have towards "foreign" parties having undue influence over their government.
And look at the reprehensible disgusting creatures that May and the Conservative Party think are suitable partners for government. Aside from being a party directly linked to terrorism - and we know how association with terrorism makes someone unfit to be PM - they have some offensively backwards views towards women, the gay community, minority religious groups and to modern society as a whole. I have many friends who possess a vagina, a rosary, 21st century morality, an interest in their own sex and many possess a combination of all four.
I myself am a bisexual man, my eldest son is gay, two close friends have finally had the confidence to get engaged and I look forward to my first gay wedding next year. It took me 15 years to publicly come out having lived in fear of how society would see me. I am not having my 16 year old son live in fear as I did because it becomes ok again to abuse anyone who isn't straight - the DUP represent all that we have left behind in GB and love Norn Iron as I do this is one area in which they are 20 years out of date.
A deal with the DUP is a deal too far. Is there no barrel that this PM won't scrape to cling to power?
Labour contemplated a deal with the DUP in 2010 and 2015. It's a well-scraped barrel.
So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.
What are they supposed to do? Promise to abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?
It should be patently obvious that the electorate have thrown a hospital pass. A party with a modicum of strategic nouse would see that you don't want to be the one holding the ball. They should have let Corbyn form a government and vote him out on a whim once he has sacrificed all the gain he made in the 7 week campaign. That is of course also entirely in their self interest, but has the added advantage of being the sensible approach to avoiding catastrophe next time.
Nonsense.
What's nonsense about it? they'll be crying into their champers in October when they go sub 200 seats again after screwing Brexit, the Northern Irish and themselves.
Why would they want an election in October? And would they even be allowed one?
Sadly, even if the Tories behave, I fear May will come aground in the autumn of 2018, when the House of Lords refuses to pass the Great Repeal Bill and Labour call for another election for her to win a mandate for the deal.
I don't think that's realistic, just hold an ultimatum with the Lords saying that they accept the deal the Commons and the EU have agreed or we crash out of the EU with no deal. The Lords would need to back down.
I worry that Clarke, Soubry, Neill, Morgan and Grieve would let her down in that situation. If it's just those five, she would at least still win in the Commons, and there are the remaining Labour Leavers too.
The Great Repeal Bill is unnecessary for us to actually Leave the EU. Nor does it in any way have anything to do with our future relationship with the EU or our negotiations. We would not crash out if the Bill was rejected, we would still leave in the orderly manner agreed with the EU (if that were the result of the negotiations).
It is concerned entirely with how we transfer current EU laws onto our statute book after we have left. To that extent it is actually very poorly named. If the Lords block it all that will happen is that we will leave the EU and be stuck with a situation where we have large numbers of laws on our books that are entirely worthless and large areas where we have no legal framework. Their remaining on the books will in no way alter our relationship with the EU and will just cause chaos as they will be dead ends.
The PM has apologised and now everyone should get off her back. She is a human being after. Although, not a Labour supporter, I said exactly the same thing about Gordon Brown when he was being pulled apart. I absolutely hate it when the media and others hunt in a pack.
The PM has said "sorry". Well that's ok then ....
£130m down the swanny on an unnecessary general election called for narrow party interest, resulting in instability, a coalition of chaos and potential difficulties for the peace process.
Sorry f*cking mess more like.
Yes.
AND she could have saved tens of millions (and probably her majority) holding it at the same time as the locals/mayorals.
Would you like more examples of only lefties being obsessed about the DUP ruining equality rights for the LGBTI community?
Support your party.
TSE is a Conservative supporter? Really?
I noticed on Marr yesterday La Toynbee was congratulating Boy George on all his help in destroying Theresa and getting Jezza within a few hundred votes of Downing St.
Hope Con members remember this should Osborne ever attempt a comeback.
I have been a member for over 20 years, I've helped in small ways in getting a few Tory MPs elected.
Did you read Osborne's editorial urging people to vote Tory.
It boils my piss that I'm getting lectured by people who flirted with voting UKIP in 2015 and people who showed Cameron no loyalty to support my party.
Putting party before country is what makes you the subject of such rightful scorn. It seems you are utterly bereft of principles.
I put the country first, it just so happy that up to quite recently what was good for my party was also good for the country.
I've spent the last 72 hours expressing my socially liberal principles.
And yet will still support a party that is undermining those principles.
I'm making sure those principles aren't undermined.
It's all very well having a "drip, drip, drip" of daily poison against Theresa May and the Tories in Osborne's paper day after day... And then finally coming out on the day and saying "Vote Conservative"
The damage had already been done!
Here is Ms. Toynbee in her element (From around 3:50
I'm sure this video will be brought back up should Osborne ever attempt a Con comeback in any capacity.
George Osborne has clearly moved on from his previous ambitions. He seems to be having the time of his life.
He'll be wanting to get back in again one day you can guarantee that. Once May has departed and he's seen his petty revenge to its conclusion he'll start getting bored with ES and be craving power once more.
He really doesn't.
He's moved on, he's self aware, he's hurting that his party is struggling.
The only way he's ever coming back is in a national emergency, or if a Tory PM ennobles him and he plays the role of Mandy to a Tory Brown.
He does exactly look like he's hurting very much! Fair enough I suppose given what happened to him at May's hands but let's not pretend he isn't enjoying seeing her her struggle and that he and his erstwhile allies in parliament aren't making the prospect of a Corbyn premiership more likely.
He really isn't, watch ITV's result show, and when the Tory losses came in, that was a man who was pained, seeing his hard work undone.
Trust me, he really doesn't want Corbyn to be PM, he knows what a disaster that will be for the country.
I'm sure sure that you are right about his attitude to Corbyn and to Tory losses but he needs to be aware of the influence he wields in his paper and in Parliament still to ensure that doesn't happen. On his hard work, it might be worth remembering that May exceeded the share and seats won in 2010 when GO was running the election campaign. I know the situations aren't exactly comparable but let's remember that GO had plenty of faults as a campaigner and strategist.
'May tells MPs: I got us into this mess and I will get us out.'
She presumably means The Conservative Party when she says 'Us'. What about the rest of us?
In fairness, this was in the context of a party meeting. It's reasonable for her to be talking about the Conservative party in such a meeting.
Yes, but at some point doesn't she have to acknowledge the harm she has done the country? Doesn't the Party?
I don't see any way back for either until they do.
What do you identify as the harm that Theresa May has done the country? Giving it the opportunity to choose a new Parliament doesn't seem to me to qualify. "Sorry for letting you have a vote" is an odd thing to be apologising for.
It's all very well having a "drip, drip, drip" of daily poison against Theresa May and the Tories in Osborne's paper day after day... And then finally coming out on the day and saying "Vote Conservative"
The damage had already been done!
Here is Ms. Toynbee in her element (From around 3:50
I'm sure this video will be brought back up should Osborne ever attempt a Con comeback in any capacity.
George Osborne has clearly moved on from his previous ambitions. He seems to be having the time of his life.
He'll be wanting to get back in again one day you can guarantee that. Once May has departed and he's seen his petty revenge to its conclusion he'll start getting bored with ES and be craving power once more.
He really doesn't.
He's moved on, he's self aware, he's hurting that his party is struggling.
The only way he's ever coming back is in a national emergency, or if a Tory PM ennobles him and he plays the role of Mandy to a Tory Brown.
He does exactly look like he's hurting very much! Fair enough I suppose given what happened to him at May's hands but let's not pretend he isn't enjoying seeing her her struggle and that he and his erstwhile allies in parliament aren't making the prospect of a Corbyn premiership more likely.
He really isn't, watch ITV's result show, and when the Tory losses came in, that was a man who was pained, seeing his hard work undone.
Trust me, he really doesn't want Corbyn to be PM, he knows what a disaster that will be for the country.
I would agree he was clearly hurting that night especially when the results came in or he heard rumors from contacts that people were in serious danger of losing their seats.
I'd wager a dozen or so people in Kensington changed their votes based on the ES editorials he'd written. Maybe he was thinking about that.
It's all very well having a "drip, drip, drip" of daily poison against Theresa May and the Tories in Osborne's paper day after day... And then finally coming out on the day and saying "Vote Conservative"
The damage had already been done!
Here is Ms. Toynbee in her element (From around 3:50
I'm sure this video will be brought back up should Osborne ever attempt a Con comeback in any capacity.
George Osborne has clearly moved on from his previous ambitions. He seems to be having the time of his life.
He'll be wanting to get back in again one day you can guarantee that. Once May has departed and he's seen his petty revenge to its conclusion he'll start getting bored with ES and be craving power once more.
He really doesn't.
He's moved on, he's self aware, he's hurting that his party is struggling.
The only way he's ever coming back is in a national emergency, or if a Tory PM ennobles him and he plays the role of Mandy to a Tory Brown.
He does exactly look like he's hurting very much! Fair enough I suppose given what happened to him at May's hands but let's not pretend he isn't enjoying seeing her her struggle and that he and his erstwhile allies in parliament aren't making the prospect of a Corbyn premiership more likely.
He really isn't, watch ITV's result show, and when the Tory losses came in, that was a man who was pained, seeing his hard work undone.
Trust me, he really doesn't want Corbyn to be PM, he knows what a disaster that will be for the country.
I'm sure sure that you are right about his attitude to Corbyn and to Tory losses but he needs to be aware of the influence he wields in his paper and in Parliament still to ensure that doesn't happen. On his hard work, it might be worth remembering that May exceeded the share and seats won in 2010 when GO was running the election campaign. I know the situations aren't exactly comparable but let's remember that GO had plenty of faults as a campaigner and strategist.
It's all about (net) seat gains.
If it wasn't for Ruth Davidson, Jeremy Corbyn would be Prime Minister right now.
Just watched the first Tory Cabinet. I can hardly believe just two short weeks ago I would have been OK with a Theresa May government.
I must have been sozzled and forgotten ....grammar schools..... fox hunting ....Andrea Leadsom ....Liam Fox ....'Brexit Means Brexit' ......'Strong and Stable Government' ....Boris Johnson..... Michael Gove.... PARTICULARLY Michael Gove..... the Sun ....the Mail ...the Express...... Michael Gove and Sarah Vine.....
A few points about the absurd spectacle that is ZombieMay's Tory Party:
1. The convention is that a defeated government can try and get its programme through a Queens Speech. That May can't even write a QS acceptable to her new "friends" is not acceptable - she needs to go to the Commons and it will pass or fail. We need a government and can't wait for her to faff around with her homophobic misogynist terrorist friends.
2. This DUP deal is the shoddiest arrangement since Joachim von Ribbentrop got on the phone to Vyacheslav Molotov and proposed a coalition deal. Set aside the Good Friday Agreement which dictates that UK and ROI governments stand by impartially to guarantee the peace. Set aside the lack of a Northern Irish Assembly which failed because Arlene 'Red Hand' Foster got herself stuck into a cash for ash scheme. Set aside the anger that English voters have towards "foreign" parties having undue influence over their government.
And look at the reprehensible disgusting creatures that May and the Conservative Party think are suitable partners for government. Aside from being a party directly linked to terrorism - and we know how association with terrorism makes someone unfit to be PM - they have some offensively backwards views towards women, the gay community, minority religious groups and to modern society as a whole. I have many friends who possess a vagina, a rosary, 21st century morality, an interest in their own sex and many possess a combination of all four.
I myself am a bisexual man, my eldest son is gay, two close friends have finally had the confidence to get engaged and I look forward to my first gay wedding next year. It took me 15 years to publicly come out having lived in fear of how society would see me. I am not having my 16 year old son live in fear as I did because it becomes ok again to abuse anyone who isn't straight - the DUP represent all that we have left behind in GB and love Norn Iron as I do this is one area in which they are 20 years out of date.
A deal with the DUP is a deal too far. Is there no barrel that this PM won't scrape to cling to power?
Labour contemplated a deal with the DUP in 2010 and 2015. It's a well-scraped barrel.
Just watched the first Tory Cabinet. I can hardly believe just two short weeks ago I would have been OK with a Theresa May government.
I must havebeen sozzled and forgotten ....grammar schools and fox hunting ....Andrea Leadsom ....Liam Fox ....'Brexit Means Brexit' ......'Strong and Stable Government' ....Boris Johnson and Michael Gove.... PARTICULARLY Michael Gove..... the Sun ....the Mail ...the Express...... Michael Gove and Sarah Vine.....
Come on Jezza! Time to step up.
You are Diane Abbott's maths mentor and I claim my five pounds....
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There's no way a PM can deal with a majority that small whilst campaigning during a general election.
Would be like Chris Patten in 1992 all over again.
Green is an intriguing option, he has no enemies in the party.
As as noted before, you often win the Tory leadership by not being someone else
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czqtjk_iGFU
It's not very attractive, but the alternative could be much worse.
I'm afraid dupuytren's contracture put an end to my guitar playing and anyway you'd have to use a logarithmic scale to get me and Segovia on the same axis.
It's all very well having a "drip, drip, drip" of poison against Theresa May and the Tories in Osborne's paper day after day... And then finally coming out on election day and saying "Vote Conservative"
The damage had already been done!
Here is Ms. Toynbee in her element (From around 3:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJvPGTZXcsM
I'm sure this video will be brought back up should Osborne ever attempt a Con comeback in any capacity.
Corbyn and McDonnell will ensure Brexit and Brexit indeed may fail under this zombie government.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2017/jun/12/paul-mason-jeremy-corbyn-defeat-ruling-elite-antonio-gramsci
He's moved on, he's self aware, he's hurting that his party is struggling.
The only way he's ever coming back is in a national emergency, or if a Tory PM ennobles him and he plays the role of Mandy to a Tory Brown.
IF he does come back it wouldn't be an easy road back for him, I think some of his articles will not have gone down well with the Tory faithful even if they have been spot on. I think the party would have to be out of power and not looking like being anywhere near close to a return (like post 97) for them to turn to him.
I think I would rather see Cameron back more than Osborne, right now anyway.
I've spent the last 72 hours expressing my socially liberal principles.
The Hastings & Rye seat is unchanged (apart from possibly negligible ward boundary realignment)
The Conservatives led by Theresa May
Labour led by Jeremy Corbyn
A new pro-European party led by David Cameron
This snake will try and get back one day. Politics runs through him like a stick of Blackpool rock. The problem is will politics have moved on from his particular type of Ed Balls thuggishness, although Osborne was slightly more subtle than Balls). Also, will the cabal he left behind still be there?
'May tells MPs: I got us into this mess and I will get us out.'
She presumably means The Conservative Party when she says 'Us'. What about the rest of us?
Trust me, he really doesn't want Corbyn to be PM, he knows what a disaster that will be for the country.
Sadly, even if the Tories behave, I fear May will come aground in the autumn of 2018, when the House of Lords refuses to pass the Great Repeal Bill and Labour call for another election for her to win a mandate for the deal.
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If .@Theresa_may manages to get her Queens Speech passed, I'll eat the goat live on @SkyNews
She's gonna eat Roger Federer?
I had, and still have, a lot of time for Cameron (and some, though less time for GO) but was steaming about the way he portrayed Brexiteers. I've voted Tory in every election, local, European and General since I could first vote in 1999 but I'm not sure I could have voted for Cameron or Osborne again.
https://twitter.com/Stewart4Pboro/status/874295448923779072
Unless Labour and the Lords are prepared to walk away with no deal then Article 50 means they must accept whatever the government and the EU negotiate. Otherwise the clock ticks until we have no deal and Labour and the Lords have said that they won't accept that as an option.
Mason is a tosser unworthy of the title of journalist. There are far better Remainer writers on PB right now who can explain both the reason people voted for Brexit and why in their view it is a bad thing.
£130m down the swanny on an unnecessary general election called for narrow party interest, resulting in instability, a coalition of chaos and potential difficulties for the peace process.
Sorry f*cking mess more like.
https://twitter.com/Stewart4Pboro/status/874304374998265856
1. The convention is that a defeated government can try and get its programme through a Queens Speech. That May can't even write a QS acceptable to her new "friends" is not acceptable - she needs to go to the Commons and it will pass or fail. We need a government and can't wait for her to faff around with her homophobic misogynist terrorist friends.
2. This DUP deal is the shoddiest arrangement since Joachim von Ribbentrop got on the phone to Vyacheslav Molotov and proposed a coalition deal. Set aside the Good Friday Agreement which dictates that UK and ROI governments stand by impartially to guarantee the peace. Set aside the lack of a Northern Irish Assembly which failed because Arlene 'Red Hand' Foster got herself stuck into a cash for ash scheme. Set aside the anger that English voters have towards "foreign" parties having undue influence over their government.
And look at the reprehensible disgusting creatures that May and the Conservative Party think are suitable partners for government. Aside from being a party directly linked to terrorism - and we know how association with terrorism makes someone unfit to be PM - they have some offensively backwards views towards women, the gay community, minority religious groups and to modern society as a whole. I have many friends who possess a vagina, a rosary, 21st century morality, an interest in their own sex and many possess a combination of all four.
I myself am a bisexual man, my eldest son is gay, two close friends have finally had the confidence to get engaged and I look forward to my first gay wedding next year. It took me 15 years to publicly come out having lived in fear of how society would see me. I am not having my 16 year old son live in fear as I did because it becomes ok again to abuse anyone who isn't straight - the DUP represent all that we have left behind in GB and love Norn Iron as I do this is one area in which they are 20 years out of date.
A deal with the DUP is a deal too far. Is there no barrel that this PM won't scrape to cling to power?
It is concerned entirely with how we transfer current EU laws onto our statute book after we have left. To that extent it is actually very poorly named. If the Lords block it all that will happen is that we will leave the EU and be stuck with a situation where we have large numbers of laws on our books that are entirely worthless and large areas where we have no legal framework. Their remaining on the books will in no way alter our relationship with the EU and will just cause chaos as they will be dead ends.
AND she could have saved tens of millions (and probably her majority) holding it at the same time as the locals/mayorals.
Tories p*ssing taxpayers money up the wall.
"In the national interest"
Piss off.
grr.
I don't see any way back for either until they do.
If it wasn't for Ruth Davidson, Jeremy Corbyn would be Prime Minister right now.
I must have been sozzled and forgotten ....grammar schools..... fox hunting ....Andrea Leadsom ....Liam Fox ....'Brexit Means Brexit' ......'Strong and Stable Government' ....Boris Johnson..... Michael Gove.... PARTICULARLY Michael Gove..... the Sun ....the Mail ...the Express...... Michael Gove and Sarah Vine.....
Come on Jezza! Time to step up.