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TheScreamingEagles

Hello Marf

RobD

Second!

rottenborough

perdix

No wonder few people buy Marf's stuff.

Brom

My friends are gayer than your friends!!!

Fenster

Jeremy Corbyn should go on that Iranian owned PRESS TV to denounce the DUP's treatment of gay people.

Balance things up a bit.

TheScreamingEagles

For RoyalBlue, here's another well known lefty, Tory MP and former Army officer.

https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873281186029809664
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873848576195121152
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873856201880207360

Would you like more examples of only lefties being obsessed about the DUP ruining equality rights for the LGBTI community?

isam

Brom said:

My friends are gayer than your friends!!!

Some friends are gayer than others, some friends are gayer than others

Some friends mothers are gayer than other friends mothers

GIN1138

FPT

TheScreamingEagles said:

RoyalBlue said:

felix said:

nunu said:

The_Taxman said:

volcanopete said:

Bye bye, LGBT Tory voters.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/06/12/theresa-may-appoints-anti-lgbt-justice-secretary-in-the-middle-of-dup-negotiations/

I cannot see them repealing gay marriage or civil partnerships or increasing the age of consent for homosexual activity or any legal activity for that matter. I don't see the problem, people are getting worked into a frenzy about nothing.

Are you LGBT yourself? If not then you shouldn't presume on the behalf of others about how to feel about this deal.

I'm gay and have no problems with the deal. Indeed I'd expect if anything the liberal toryism to rub off onto the DUP. You need to calm down.

Seconded. I am sick and tired of people like TSE claiming to know how gay people feel about things like this when they have no idea whatsoever.

The only gay people upset are those on the left, who use their sexuality to go up a rung on the ladder of oppression. The rest of us are getting on with life.

Oh hun, oh hun.

I know a lot of gay people, I spent a lot of my adult life in The Village.

In a few weeks time, I am going to be best man at a same sex wedding, which isn't the first time I've had that honour.

Because I've spent a lot of time with gay people since the late 90s, I've seen first hand the homophobic abuse they've received and I've received because they thought I was gay too (I think it was the red shoes that did it).

Fortunately that has became rare as the country has become more tolerant.

They and I are worried all this hard work could be undone with the DUP wagging the Tory tail.

Less than 20 years ago, The Sun ran a front page asking if the country was run by a gay mafia, and a terrorist was targeting gay people in London.

So yeah, I know nothing about how the LGBTI people feel, and you can get fucked you fucking twat.

What does the "I" mean? I've heard of LGBTA but not LGBTI?

rottenborough

Why was the goat ever in play? Here's Hancock answering a question on QS and velum:

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Commons/2016-05-19/37652/

Fenster

And if anyone fancies assaulting a gay person I suggest they pick on Gareth Thomas, the ex Welsh rugby player. He's gay and he's absolutely hard as f*ck*.

He'd eat Conor McGregor alive in a fight. I guarantee you.

*Seriously, I've seen a few gypsy run fist-fights in my life. Thomas is NAILS.

Chris

GIN1138 said:

FPT

TheScreamingEagles said:

RoyalBlue said:

felix said:

nunu said:

The_Taxman said:

volcanopete said:

Bye bye, LGBT Tory voters.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/06/12/theresa-may-appoints-anti-lgbt-justice-secretary-in-the-middle-of-dup-negotiations/

I cannot see them repealing gay marriage or civil partnerships or increasing the age of consent for homosexual activity or any legal activity for that matter. I don't see the problem, people are getting worked into a frenzy about nothing.

Are you LGBT yourself? If not then you shouldn't presume on the behalf of others about how to feel about this deal.

I'm gay and have no problems with the deal. Indeed I'd expect if anything the liberal toryism to rub off onto the DUP. You need to calm down.

Seconded. I am sick and tired of people like TSE claiming to know how gay people feel about things like this when they have no idea whatsoever.

The only gay people upset are those on the left, who use their sexuality to go up a rung on the ladder of oppression. The rest of us are getting on with life.

Oh hun, oh hun.

I know a lot of gay people, I spent a lot of my adult life in The Village.

In a few weeks time, I am going to be best man at a same sex wedding, which isn't the first time I've had that honour.

Because I've spent a lot of time with gay people since the late 90s, I've seen first hand the homophobic abuse they've received and I've received because they thought I was gay too (I think it was the red shoes that did it).

Fortunately that has became rare as the country has become more tolerant.

They and I are worried all this hard work could be undone with the DUP wagging the Tory tail.

Less than 20 years ago, The Sun ran a front page asking if the country was run by a gay mafia, and a terrorist was targeting gay people in London.

So yeah, I know nothing about how the LGBTI people feel, and you can get fucked you fucking twat.

What does the "I" mean? I've heard of LGBTA but not LGBTI?

Intersex?

RobD

rottenborough said:

Why was the goat ever in play? Here's Hancock answering a question on QS and velum:

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Commons/2016-05-19/37652/

The copy? I assume the actual speech is the one written on velum.

isam

Chris said:

GIN1138 said:

FPT

TheScreamingEagles said:

RoyalBlue said:

felix said:

nunu said:

The_Taxman said:

volcanopete said:

Bye bye, LGBT Tory voters.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/06/12/theresa-may-appoints-anti-lgbt-justice-secretary-in-the-middle-of-dup-negotiations/

I cannot see them repealing gay marriage or civil partnerships or increasing the age of consent for homosexual activity or any legal activity for that matter. I don't see the problem, people are getting worked into a frenzy about nothing.

Are you LGBT yourself? If not then you shouldn't presume on the behalf of others about how to feel about this deal.

I'm gay and have no problems with the deal. Indeed I'd expect if anything the liberal toryism to rub off onto the DUP. You need to calm down.

Seconded. I am sick and tired of people like TSE claiming to know how gay people feel about things like this when they have no idea whatsoever.

The only gay people upset are those on the left, who use their sexuality to go up a rung on the ladder of oppression. The rest of us are getting on with life.

Oh hun, oh hun.

I know a lot of gay people, I spent a lot of my adult life in The Village.

In a few weeks time, I am going to be best man at a same sex wedding, which isn't the first time I've had that honour.

Because I've spent a lot of time with gay people since the late 90s, I've seen first hand the homophobic abuse they've received and I've received because they thought I was gay too (I think it was the red shoes that did it).

Fortunately that has became rare as the country has become more tolerant.

They and I are worried all this hard work could be undone with the DUP wagging the Tory tail.

Less than 20 years ago, The Sun ran a front page asking if the country was run by a gay mafia, and a terrorist was targeting gay people in London.

So yeah, I know nothing about how the LGBTI people feel, and you can get fucked you fucking twat.

What does the "I" mean? I've heard of LGBTA but not LGBTI?

Intersex?

Pahahaha

Discrimination against Cisgenders

AlastairMeeks

The glass against the door of the 1922 committee doesn't seem to be producing any snippets yet.

Brom

isam said:

Brom said:

My friends are gayer than your friends!!!

Some friends are gayer than others, some friends are gayer than others

Some friends mothers are gayer than other friends mothers

Gayness is nice, and
Gayness can stop you
From doing all the things in life
You'd like to

FF43

FPT

SouthamObserver said:

Pulpstar said:

Whole thing turning into a complete shambles.

Can we not have a national government whilst the Brexit negotiations are being done, I'm serious - it is bigger than any one party.

Starmer and Davis working together...

Problem is that Davis gives every impression of winging it while Starmer is steeped in detail. Can't see how that works. You are right though: we need a cross-party approach and a strategy that is based on what Andrew Adonis laid out in the Standard today:

http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/there-are-two-crucial-things-we-need-to-make-this-a-sane-brexit-a3562946.html

If Corbyn will not play ball - and I agree with others that he is unlikely to - then other Labour MPs are just going to have to bite the bullet and rebel. The vast majority are not going to want to see their constituents impoverished on the back of Tory incompetence.

I don't think a formal concordat is likely. It would be an informal agreement that ongoing Article 50 talks prevent an election until they are completed. The Conservatives will continue those talks on the understanding that they will consult with Labour so the latter will at least abstain on the votes. This ensures the legislation gets passed without being hostage to restive factions within the Conservative Party.

Beverley_C

GIN1138 said:

FPT

What does the "I" mean? I've heard of LGBTA but not LGBTI?

Intersex

"Intersex people possess any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies". Such variations may involve genital ambiguity, and combinations of chromosomal genotype and sexual phenotype other than XY-male and XX-female.

Intersex people were previously referred to as hermaphrodites, "congenital eunuchs", or even congenitally "frigid". Such terms have fallen out of favor; in particular, the term "hermaphrodite" is considered to be misleading, stigmatizing, and scientifically specious. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

GIN1138

Chris said:

GIN1138 said:

FPT

TheScreamingEagles said:

RoyalBlue said:

felix said:

nunu said:

The_Taxman said:

volcanopete said:

Bye bye, LGBT Tory voters.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/06/12/theresa-may-appoints-anti-lgbt-justice-secretary-in-the-middle-of-dup-negotiations/

I cannot see them repealing gay marriage or civil partnerships or increasing the age of consent for homosexual activity or any legal activity for that matter. I don't see the problem, people are getting worked into a frenzy about nothing.

Are you LGBT yourself? If not then you shouldn't presume on the behalf of others about how to feel about this deal.

I'm gay and have no problems with the deal. Indeed I'd expect if anything the liberal toryism to rub off onto the DUP. You need to calm down.

Seconded. I am sick and tired of people like TSE claiming to know how gay people feel about things like this when they have no idea whatsoever.

The only gay people upset are those on the left, who use their sexuality to go up a rung on the ladder of oppression. The rest of us are getting on with life.

Oh hun, oh hun.

I know a lot of gay people, I spent a lot of my adult life in The Village.

In a few weeks time, I am going to be best man at a same sex wedding, which isn't the first time I've had that honour.

Because I've spent a lot of time with gay people since the late 90s, I've seen first hand the homophobic abuse they've received and I've received because they thought I was gay too (I think it was the red shoes that did it).

Fortunately that has became rare as the country has become more tolerant.

They and I are worried all this hard work could be undone with the DUP wagging the Tory tail.

Less than 20 years ago, The Sun ran a front page asking if the country was run by a gay mafia, and a terrorist was targeting gay people in London.

So yeah, I know nothing about how the LGBTI people feel, and you can get fucked you fucking twat.

What does the "I" mean? I've heard of LGBTA but not LGBTI?

Intersex?

Could be?

rottenborough

AlastairMeeks said:

The glass against the door of the 1922 committee doesn't seem to be producing any snippets yet.

Lots of desk banging though.

I guess Whips have told people to show some loyalty.

Brom

AlastairMeeks said:

The glass against the door of the 1922 committee doesn't seem to be producing any snippets yet.

Several rounds of desk banging coming from inside meeting of 1922 committee of Conservative MPs, which May is addressing

— Kylie MacLellan (@kyliemaclellan) June 12, 2017

GIN1138

@Beverley_C

Thanks.

TheScreamingEagles

GIN1138 said:

FPT

TheScreamingEagles said:

RoyalBlue said:

felix said:

nunu said:

The_Taxman said:

volcanopete said:

Bye bye, LGBT Tory voters.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/06/12/theresa-may-appoints-anti-lgbt-justice-secretary-in-the-middle-of-dup-negotiations/

I cannot see them repealing gay marriage or civil partnerships or increasing the age of consent for homosexual activity or any legal activity for that matter. I don't see the problem, people are getting worked into a frenzy about nothing.

Are you LGBT yourself? If not then you shouldn't presume on the behalf of others about how to feel about this deal.

I'm gay and have no problems with the deal. Indeed I'd expect if anything the liberal toryism to rub off onto the DUP. You need to calm down.

Seconded. I am sick and tired of people like TSE claiming to know how gay people feel about things like this when they have no idea whatsoever.

The only gay people upset are those on the left, who use their sexuality to go up a rung on the ladder of oppression. The rest of us are getting on with life.

Oh hun, oh hun.

I know a lot of gay people, I spent a lot of my adult life in The Village.

In a few weeks time, I am going to be best man at a same sex wedding, which isn't the first time I've had that honour.

Because I've spent a lot of time with gay people since the late 90s, I've seen first hand the homophobic abuse they've received and I've received because they thought I was gay too (I think it was the red shoes that did it).

Fortunately that has became rare as the country has become more tolerant.

They and I are worried all this hard work could be undone with the DUP wagging the Tory tail.

Less than 20 years ago, The Sun ran a front page asking if the country was run by a gay mafia, and a terrorist was targeting gay people in London.

So yeah, I know nothing about how the LGBTI people feel, and you can get fucked you fucking twat.

What does the "I" mean? I've heard of LGBTA but not LGBTI?

Intersex.

AlastairMeeks

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/874300642503909376

not_on_fire

Brom said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The glass against the door of the 1922 committee doesn't seem to be producing any snippets yet.

Several rounds of desk banging coming from inside meeting of 1922 committee of Conservative MPs, which May is addressing

— Kylie MacLellan (@kyliemaclellan) June 12, 2017

How curiously childish. Just imagine doing that in a private sector meeting.

jonny83

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/874292503314386944

GIN1138

Brom said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The glass against the door of the 1922 committee doesn't seem to be producing any snippets yet.

Several rounds of desk banging coming from inside meeting of 1922 committee of Conservative MPs, which May is addressing

— Kylie MacLellan (@kyliemaclellan) June 12, 2017

Is the desk banging for her or people getting up and telling her to **** off though?

calum

Source !
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/874300980392755201

MarqueeMark

Brom said:

isam said:

Brom said:

My friends are gayer than your friends!!!

Some friends are gayer than others, some friends are gayer than others

Some friends mothers are gayer than other friends mothers

Gayness is nice, and
Gayness can stop you
From doing all the things in life
You'd like to

Gayness on the streets of London
Gayness on the streets of Birmingham
I wonder to myself
Could life ever be sane again?
The leeds side-streets that you slip down
I wonder to myself
Hopes may rise on the grasmere
But honey pie, you're not safe here
So you run down
To the safety of the town
But there's gayness on the streets of Carlisle
Dublin, Dundee, Humberside
I wonder to myself

Beverley_C

not_on_fire said:

Brom said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The glass against the door of the 1922 committee doesn't seem to be producing any snippets yet.

Several rounds of desk banging coming from inside meeting of 1922 committee of Conservative MPs, which May is addressing

— Kylie MacLellan (@kyliemaclellan) June 12, 2017

How curiously childish. Just imagine doing that in a private sector meeting.

You would be told to wise up or get out.

Maybe it is more of a revival than a meeting...

AlastairMeeks

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/874300974420152320

Morris_Dancer

If we're discussing fearsome fighters who are also gay, this is an old article I wrote about elite soldiers of the ancient world:
http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/elite-soldiers-of-ancient-world.html

MarqueeMark

GIN1138 said:

FPT

TheScreamingEagles said:

RoyalBlue said:

felix said:

nunu said:

The_Taxman said:

volcanopete said:

Bye bye, LGBT Tory voters.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/06/12/theresa-may-appoints-anti-lgbt-justice-secretary-in-the-middle-of-dup-negotiations/

I cannot see them repealing gay marriage or civil partnerships or increasing the age of consent for homosexual activity or any legal activity for that matter. I don't see the problem, people are getting worked into a frenzy about nothing.

Are you LGBT yourself? If not then you shouldn't presume on the behalf of others about how to feel about this deal.

I'm gay and have no problems with the deal. Indeed I'd expect if anything the liberal toryism to rub off onto the DUP. You need to calm down.

Seconded. I am sick and tired of people like TSE claiming to know how gay people feel about things like this when they have no idea whatsoever.

The only gay people upset are those on the left, who use their sexuality to go up a rung on the ladder of oppression. The rest of us are getting on with life.

Oh hun, oh hun.

I know a lot of gay people, I spent a lot of my adult life in The Village.

In a few weeks time, I am going to be best man at a same sex wedding, which isn't the first time I've had that honour.

Because I've spent a lot of time with gay people since the late 90s, I've seen first hand the homophobic abuse they've received and I've received because they thought I was gay too (I think it was the red shoes that did it).

Fortunately that has became rare as the country has become more tolerant.

They and I are worried all this hard work could be undone with the DUP wagging the Tory tail.

Less than 20 years ago, The Sun ran a front page asking if the country was run by a gay mafia, and a terrorist was targeting gay people in London.

So yeah, I know nothing about how the LGBTI people feel, and you can get fucked you fucking twat.

What does the "I" mean? I've heard of LGBTA but not LGBTI?

Indifferent?

Stark_Dawning

Beverley_C said:

GIN1138 said:

FPT

What does the "I" mean? I've heard of LGBTA but not LGBTI?

Intersex

"Intersex people possess any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies". Such variations may involve genital ambiguity, and combinations of chromosomal genotype and sexual phenotype other than XY-male and XX-female.

Intersex people were previously referred to as hermaphrodites, "congenital eunuchs", or even congenitally "frigid". Such terms have fallen out of favor; in particular, the term "hermaphrodite" is considered to be misleading, stigmatizing, and scientifically specious. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

My understanding was that an intersexual and hermaphrodite were different, the latter being in possession of a womb.

MarqueeMark

rottenborough said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The glass against the door of the 1922 committee doesn't seem to be producing any snippets yet.

Lots of desk banging though.

Who's head is in the desk?

Brom

AlastairMeeks said:

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/874300974420152320

We knew it was possible. About time the public saw the same.

AlastairMeeks

Either the whips have done a good job in getting supportive MPs out early or Theresa May handled the committee well. All the journalists are getting pretty friendly reports of the meeting.

FF43

Beverley_C said:

not_on_fire said:

How curiously childish. Just imagine doing that in a private sector meeting.

You would be told to wise up or get out.

Maybe it is more of a revival than a meeting...

Desperation, I think. They know people outside are listening for the sound of banging desks, so they have to bang them harder. MPs aren't stupid people. They recognise a clusterfuck when it hits them in the stomach.

calum

https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/874302106148233216

TheScreamingEagles

Judging by the smoke signals, Mrs May is safe for the moment.

I think her next two hurdles are

1) Passing the Queen's speech

2) The marching season, especially July 12th

No eff ups there and she's safe until conference and maybe next year at least.

jonny83

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/874302428350480384

MarqueeMark

not_on_fire said:

How curiously childish. Just imagine doing that in a private sector meeting.

They have a raft of Scottish MPs to welcome.

And MPs from Stoke and Mansfield. I guess they all got a rousing welcome.

Maybe a minute's silence for fallen colleagues in High Peak and Canterbury?

Brom

TheScreamingEagles said:

Judging by the smoke signals, Mrs May is safe for the moment.

I think her next two hurdles are

1) Passing the Queen's speech

2) The marching season, especially July 12th

No eff ups there and she's safe until conference and maybe next year at least.

I can't see her marching in Ireland. She's more the walking in Wales type.

TGOHF

interesting

https://dominiccummings.wordpress.com/2017/06/12/the-unrecognised-simplicities-of-effective-action-2b-the-apollo-programme-the-tory-train-wreck-and-advice-to-spads-starting-work-today/

"I said since last summer that if the Tory Party tried to carry on with Brexit and government using the same broken Downing Street operation, which spends its time on crap spin and has almost no capacity for serious management, and the same broken political operation, dominated by people who have failed to persuade the country convincingly for many years, then they would blow up. They failed to change Downing Street and they ran yet another fundamentally misconceived campaign that blew massive structural advantages. Kaboom."

Beverley_C

Stark_Dawning said:

Beverley_C said:

GIN1138 said:

FPT

What does the "I" mean? I've heard of LGBTA but not LGBTI?

Intersex

"Intersex people possess any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies". Such variations may involve genital ambiguity, and combinations of chromosomal genotype and sexual phenotype other than XY-male and XX-female.

Intersex people were previously referred to as hermaphrodites, "congenital eunuchs", or even congenitally "frigid". Such terms have fallen out of favor; in particular, the term "hermaphrodite" is considered to be misleading, stigmatizing, and scientifically specious. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

My understanding was that an intersexual and hermaphrodite were different, the latter being in possession of a womb.

Well, the wikipedia article does say "... the term "hermaphrodite" is considered to be misleading, stigmatizing, and scientifically specious. ".

JackW

Following on from the principles of the Conservative election campaign the Jacobite News Network can exclusively reveal that the goat for the Queen's Speech velum will be found from a ritually slaughtered billy goat and undertaken by an ISIS cleric and to be shown live on CBeebies

In accordance with the royal status of the event Prince George and Princess Charlotte will be "blooded". and then taken to the House of Commons public gallery to watch the debate on the Fox Hunting and Bear Baiting Bill. Buckingham Palace has announced however that the children will be in bed by 7:30pm and so will miss the following debate on the Zoo (Slaughter of Elephants) Ivory Bill.

Developing story ....

MarqueeMark

Beverley_C said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Beverley_C said:

GIN1138 said:

FPT

What does the "I" mean? I've heard of LGBTA but not LGBTI?

Intersex

"Intersex people possess any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies". Such variations may involve genital ambiguity, and combinations of chromosomal genotype and sexual phenotype other than XY-male and XX-female.

Intersex people were previously referred to as hermaphrodites, "congenital eunuchs", or even congenitally "frigid". Such terms have fallen out of favor; in particular, the term "hermaphrodite" is considered to be misleading, stigmatizing, and scientifically specious. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

My understanding was that an intersexual and hermaphrodite were different, the latter being in possession of a womb.

Well, the wikipedia article does say "... the term "hermaphrodite" is considered to be misleading, stigmatizing, and scientifically specious. ".

Cue the old gag: "the hermaphradites can go fuck themselves...."

FF43

AlastairMeeks said:

Either the whips have done a good job in getting supportive MPs out early or Theresa May handled the committee well. All the journalists are getting pretty friendly reports of the meeting.

"I got us into this mess and I’m going to get us out of it." seems to be the replacement for "Strong and stable"

OldKingCole

JackW said:

Following on from the principles of the Conservative election campaign the Jacobite News Network can exclusively reveal that the goat for the Queen's Speech velum will be found from a ritually slaughtered billy goat and undertaken by an ISIS cleric and to be shown live on CBeebies

In accordance with the royal status of the event Prince George and Princess Charlotte will be "blooded". and then taken to the House of Commons public gallery to watch the debate on the Fox Hunting and Bear Baiting Bill. Buckingham Palace has announced however that the children will be in bed by 7:30pm and so will miss the following debate on the Zoo (Slaughter of Elephants) Ivory Bill.

Developing story ....

A Billy goat! How dare you insult the memory of the great King Billy, saviour of the Protestant cause. Especially now.

GIN1138

Mrs May survives!

Beverley_C

FF43 said:

Beverley_C said:

not_on_fire said:

How curiously childish. Just imagine doing that in a private sector meeting.

You would be told to wise up or get out.

Maybe it is more of a revival than a meeting...

Desperation, I think. They know people outside are listening for the sound of banging desks, so they have to bang them harder. MPs aren't stupid people. They recognise a clusterfuck when it hits them in the stomach.

Hmmmm.... *sigh!*

Mottram!!!!

And on that note, c u all l8tr

GIN1138

When did The Master Strategist predict it was all going collapse for her? Wednesday?

calum

Brom said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Judging by the smoke signals, Mrs May is safe for the moment.

I think her next two hurdles are

1) Passing the Queen's speech

2) The marching season, especially July 12th

No eff ups there and she's safe until conference and maybe next year at least.

I can't see her marching in Ireland. She's more the walking in Wales type.

Plenty marches in Scotland she could join with some of the SCON folks !

Pong

MarqueeMark said:

Beverley_C said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Beverley_C said:

GIN1138 said:

FPT

What does the "I" mean? I've heard of LGBTA but not LGBTI?

Intersex

"Intersex people possess any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies". Such variations may involve genital ambiguity, and combinations of chromosomal genotype and sexual phenotype other than XY-male and XX-female.

Intersex people were previously referred to as hermaphrodites, "congenital eunuchs", or even congenitally "frigid". Such terms have fallen out of favor; in particular, the term "hermaphrodite" is considered to be misleading, stigmatizing, and scientifically specious. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

My understanding was that an intersexual and hermaphrodite were different, the latter being in possession of a womb.

Well, the wikipedia article does say "... the term "hermaphrodite" is considered to be misleading, stigmatizing, and scientifically specious. ".

Cue the old gag: "the hermaphradites can go fuck themselves...."

Yeah and people used to laugh at the elephant man, too.

dyedwoolie

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/874176986746433536

Which is why I am suspicious it will happen again. I reckon people voted Labour safe in the knowledge that Corbyn would get nowhere near Downing Street as everyone else was voting Tory.

That mistake wont be made again.

rottenborough

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

Did I miss something?

TGOHF

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

Ah the "good election to lose mantra" - very good.

Casino_Royale

TheScreamingEagles said:

For RoyalBlue, here's another well known lefty, Tory MP and former Army officer.

https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873281186029809664
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873848576195121152
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873856201880207360

Would you like more examples of only lefties being obsessed about the DUP ruining equality rights for the LGBTI community?

Support your party.

dyedwoolie

rottenborough said:

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

Did I miss something?

The Election?

GIN1138

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

One decent meeting with the 22 doesn't mean she's safe. Just means she's safe for today,

Casino_Royale

jonny83 said:

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/874292503314386944

Under that sort of behaviour a wipe out lies.

I despair, I really do.

williamglenn

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/874176986746433536

Which is why I am suspicious it will happen again. I reckon people voted Labour safe in the knowledge that Corbyn would get nowhere near Downing Street as everyone else was voting Tory.

That mistake wont be made again.

But the UK is in a unique situation in Europe after the EU referendum. We now have a much more visceral cultural split and people are willing to vote for the party of the left for reasons other than economics, or even in spite of their economic policies.

rottenborough

dyedwoolie said:

rottenborough said:

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

Did I miss something?

The Election?

No, I sat through that until 7am.

ThreeQuidder

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

What are they supposed to do? Promise to abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?

Pong

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/874176986746433536

Which is why I am suspicious it will happen again. I reckon people voted Labour safe in the knowledge that Corbyn would get nowhere near Downing Street as everyone else was voting Tory.

That mistake wont be made again.

It depends if Corbyn can bring the competent centrists onboard.

The key could be Ed Miliband;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/12/ed-miliband-could-return-labour-frontbench-jeremy-corbyn/

As far as I can google, the sources for ^ are all right wing, so probably bullshit. But it doesn't mean it isn't possible. It would be a great move for Corbyn, imo.

Then Labour starts to look very electable.

Stark_Dawning

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/874176986746433536

Which is why I am suspicious it will happen again. I reckon people voted Labour safe in the knowledge that Corbyn would get nowhere near Downing Street as everyone else was voting Tory.

That mistake wont be made again.

But has the very narrative of his success had the effect of detoxifying Jezza? That must be the Tories' fear.

dyedwoolie

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

Ah the "good election to lose mantra" - very good.

No, disastrous election to lose. Having lost their majority the only option should have been to form a minority govt and dare the DUP to vote down QS and Budget. They have shown Europe we are divided, weak and unable to demand anything as whatever the negotiators say, Europe knows they can't get it through parliament.
They can play the defending the country from Corbyn card all they like, this is raw self interest without regard to Brexit, NI peace process or the lesson taught them on Thursday.

GIN1138

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

For RoyalBlue, here's another well known lefty, Tory MP and former Army officer.

https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873281186029809664
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873848576195121152
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873856201880207360

Would you like more examples of only lefties being obsessed about the DUP ruining equality rights for the LGBTI community?

Support your party.

TSE is a Conservative supporter? Really?

I noticed on Marr yesterday La Toynbee was congratulating Boy George on all his help in destroying Theresa and getting Jezza within a few hundred votes of Downing St.

Hope Con members remember this should Osborne ever attempt a comeback.

David_Evershed

Brom said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The glass against the door of the 1922 committee doesn't seem to be producing any snippets yet.

Several rounds of desk banging coming from inside meeting of 1922 committee of Conservative MPs, which May is addressing

— Kylie MacLellan (@kyliemaclellan) June 12, 2017

12 year old PM and 12 year old MPs?

Jonathan

AlastairMeeks said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/874300642503909376

When you're in a hole stop digging might be more appropriate.

TheScreamingEagles

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

For RoyalBlue, here's another well known lefty, Tory MP and former Army officer.

https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873281186029809664
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873848576195121152
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873856201880207360

Would you like more examples of only lefties being obsessed about the DUP ruining equality rights for the LGBTI community?

Support your party.

I am. I'm sticking with my party through thick and thin.

TGOHF

dyedwoolie said:

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

Ah the "good election to lose mantra" - very good.

No, disastrous election to lose. Having lost their majority the only option should have been to form a minority govt and dare the DUP to vote down QS and Budget. They have shown Europe we are divided, weak and unable to demand anything as whatever the negotiators say, Europe knows they can't get it through parliament.
They can play the defending the country from Corbyn card all they like, this is raw self interest without regard to Brexit, NI peace process or the lesson taught them on Thursday.

But they didn't lose.

May is PM - and if she stands down it will be another Con.

Labour are out of power - again.

midwinter

Casino_Royale said:

jonny83 said:

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/874292503314386944

Under that sort of behaviour a wipe out lies.

I despair, I really do.

But it was ok for the Hard Brexiteers to show zero loyalty to anyone else. No sympathy.

Casino_Royale

Very unpleasant exchange between TSE and Royal Blue on the previous thread. Egged on by one or two other posters who should know better.

Calm down, guys. You're both on the same side.

Toms

perdix said:

No wonder few people buy Marf's stuff.

You have inside knowledge? I guess I must be an idiot. I've got several.
P/S I thought Mr.Meeks's analysis on the the previous thread was spot on.

Jonathan

Brom said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The glass against the door of the 1922 committee doesn't seem to be producing any snippets yet.

Several rounds of desk banging coming from inside meeting of 1922 committee of Conservative MPs, which May is addressing

— Kylie MacLellan (@kyliemaclellan) June 12, 2017

Heads on desks?

David_Evershed

GIN1138 said:

FPT

TheScreamingEagles said:

RoyalBlue said:

felix said:

nunu said:

The_Taxman said:

volcanopete said:

Bye bye, LGBT Tory voters.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/06/12/theresa-may-appoints-anti-lgbt-justice-secretary-in-the-middle-of-dup-negotiations/

I cannot see them repealing gay marriage or civil partnerships or increasing the age of consent for homosexual activity or any legal activity for that matter. I don't see the problem, people are getting worked into a frenzy about nothing.

Are you LGBT yourself? If not then you shouldn't presume on the behalf of others about how to feel about this deal.

I'm gay and have no problems with the deal. Indeed I'd expect if anything the liberal toryism to rub off onto the DUP. You need to calm down.

Seconded. I am sick and tired of people like TSE claiming to know how gay people feel about things like this when they have no idea whatsoever.

The only gay people upset are those on the left, who use their sexuality to go up a rung on the ladder of oppression. The rest of us are getting on with life.

Oh hun, oh hun.

I know a lot of gay people, I spent a lot of my adult life in The Village.

In a few weeks time, I am going to be best man at a same sex wedding, which isn't the first time I've had that honour.

Because I've spent a lot of time with gay people since the late 90s, I've seen first hand the homophobic abuse they've received and I've received because they thought I was gay too (I think it was the red shoes that did it).

Fortunately that has became rare as the country has become more tolerant.

They and I are worried all this hard work could be undone with the DUP wagging the Tory tail.

Less than 20 years ago, The Sun ran a front page asking if the country was run by a gay mafia, and a terrorist was targeting gay people in London.

So yeah, I know nothing about how the LGBTI people feel, and you can get fucked you fucking twat.

What does the "I" mean? I've heard of LGBTA but not LGBTI?

Intransigent?

dyedwoolie

ThreeQuidder said:

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

What are they supposed to do? Promise to abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?

It should be patently obvious that the electorate have thrown a hospital pass. A party with a modicum of strategic nouse would see that you don't want to be the one holding the ball.
They should have let Corbyn form a government and vote him out on a whim once he has sacrificed all the gain he made in the 7 week campaign.
That is of course also entirely in their self interest, but has the added advantage of being the sensible approach to avoiding catastrophe next time.

TGOHF

dyedwoolie said:

ThreeQuidder said:

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

What are they supposed to do? Promise to abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?

It should be patently obvious that the electorate have thrown a hospital pass. A party with a modicum of strategic nouse would see that you don't want to be the one holding the ball.
They should have let Corbyn form a government and vote him out on a whim once he has sacrificed all the gain he made in the 7 week campaign.
That is of course also entirely in their self interest, but has the added advantage of being the sensible approach to avoiding catastrophe next time.

Nonsense.

Theuniondivvie

Toms said:

perdix said:

No wonder few people buy Marf's stuff.

You have inside knowledge? I guess I must be an idiot. I've got several.

It's a variation on the old 'the less you like a poll's results, the more you cast doubt on the pollster ' kinda thing.

dyedwoolie

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

Ah the "good election to lose mantra" - very good.

No, disastrous election to lose. Having lost their majority the only option should have been to form a minority govt and dare the DUP to vote down QS and Budget. They have shown Europe we are divided, weak and unable to demand anything as whatever the negotiators say, Europe knows they can't get it through parliament.
They can play the defending the country from Corbyn card all they like, this is raw self interest without regard to Brexit, NI peace process or the lesson taught them on Thursday.

But they didn't lose.

May is PM - and if she stands down it will be another Con.

Labour are out of power - again.

Indeed, but who gains from this mess? Not the captain of a ship she doesnt have control over in an iceberg field.

Stark_Dawning

GIN1138 said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

For RoyalBlue, here's another well known lefty, Tory MP and former Army officer.

https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873281186029809664
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873848576195121152
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873856201880207360

Would you like more examples of only lefties being obsessed about the DUP ruining equality rights for the LGBTI community?

Support your party.

TSE is a Conservative supporter? Really?

I noticed on Marr yesterday La Toynbee was congratulating Boy George on all his help in destroying Theresa and getting Jezza within a few hundred votes of Downing St.

Hope Con members remember this should Osborne ever attempt a comeback.

That ridiculous as Ozzy's LES editorial was withering about Jezza and supportive of Theresa. Yes, the campaigned was criticised but more in a 'don't let that put you off' kind of way. Ozzy has been impeccably loyal!

David_Evershed

Is the 1922 Committee ending with shouts of "Five more years, five more years?" ?

Jonathan

David_Evershed said:

Is the 1922 Committee ending with shouts of "Five more years, five more years?" ?

Five years in HMP Holloway?

midwinter

Stark_Dawning said:

GIN1138 said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

For RoyalBlue, here's another well known lefty, Tory MP and former Army officer.

https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873281186029809664
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873848576195121152
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873856201880207360

Would you like more examples of only lefties being obsessed about the DUP ruining equality rights for the LGBTI community?

Support your party.

TSE is a Conservative supporter? Really?

I noticed on Marr yesterday La Toynbee was congratulating Boy George on all his help in destroying Theresa and getting Jezza within a few hundred votes of Downing St.

Hope Con members remember this should Osborne ever attempt a comeback.

That ridiculous as Ozzy's LES editorial was withering about Jezza and supportive of Theresa. Yes, the campaigned was criticised but more in a 'don't let that put you off' kind of way. Ozzy has been impeccably loyal!

Exactly. He has showed far more loyalty than was given to him by the likes of IDS.

TheScreamingEagles

GIN1138 said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

For RoyalBlue, here's another well known lefty, Tory MP and former Army officer.

https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873281186029809664
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873848576195121152
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873856201880207360

Would you like more examples of only lefties being obsessed about the DUP ruining equality rights for the LGBTI community?

Support your party.

TSE is a Conservative supporter? Really?

I noticed on Marr yesterday La Toynbee was congratulating Boy George on all his help in destroying Theresa and getting Jezza within a few hundred votes of Downing St.

Hope Con members remember this should Osborne ever attempt a comeback.

I have been a member for over 20 years, I've helped in small ways in getting a few Tory MPs elected.

Did you read Osborne's editorial urging people to vote Tory.

It boils my piss that I'm getting lectured by people who flirted with voting UKIP in 2015 and people who showed Cameron no loyalty to support my party.

FF43

It looks like Tory MPs have no desire for another election or leadership contest, so they will accept Mrs May as the least bad option. It gives her a tiny bit of leverage - do you want me to resign? Will they be disciplined on her approach to Brexit? Unlikely. Time for her to reach out across the floor of the Commons - and I don't mean the DUP.

dyedwoolie

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

ThreeQuidder said:

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

What are they supposed to do? Promise to abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?

It should be patently obvious that the electorate have thrown a hospital pass. A party with a modicum of strategic nouse would see that you don't want to be the one holding the ball.
They should have let Corbyn form a government and vote him out on a whim once he has sacrificed all the gain he made in the 7 week campaign.
That is of course also entirely in their self interest, but has the added advantage of being the sensible approach to avoiding catastrophe next time.

Nonsense.

What's nonsense about it? they'll be crying into their champers in October when they go sub 200 seats again after screwing Brexit, the Northern Irish and themselves.

isam

GIN1138 said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

For RoyalBlue, here's another well known lefty, Tory MP and former Army officer.

https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873281186029809664
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873848576195121152
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/873856201880207360

Would you like more examples of only lefties being obsessed about the DUP ruining equality rights for the LGBTI community?

Support your party.

TSE is a Conservative supporter? Really?

I noticed on Marr yesterday La Toynbee was congratulating Boy George on all his help in destroying Theresa and getting Jezza within a few hundred votes of Downing St.

Hope Con members remember this should Osborne ever attempt a comeback.

https://twitter.com/toadmeister/status/873822592867737601

TGOHF

dyedwoolie said:

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

ThreeQuidder said:

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

What are they supposed to do? Promise to abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?

It should be patently obvious that the electorate have thrown a hospital pass. A party with a modicum of strategic nouse would see that you don't want to be the one holding the ball.
They should have let Corbyn form a government and vote him out on a whim once he has sacrificed all the gain he made in the 7 week campaign.
That is of course also entirely in their self interest, but has the added advantage of being the sensible approach to avoiding catastrophe next time.

Nonsense.

What's nonsense about it? they'll be crying into their champers in October when they go sub 200 seats again after screwing Brexit, the Northern Irish and themselves.

There isn't going to be an election until either YG says the Cons can win - or 2021.

Peter_the_Punter

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

Ah the "good election to lose mantra" - very good.

No, disastrous election to lose. Having lost their majority the only option should have been to form a minority govt and dare the DUP to vote down QS and Budget. They have shown Europe we are divided, weak and unable to demand anything as whatever the negotiators say, Europe knows they can't get it through parliament.
They can play the defending the country from Corbyn card all they like, this is raw self interest without regard to Brexit, NI peace process or the lesson taught them on Thursday.

But they didn't lose.

May is PM - and if she stands down it will be another Con.

Labour are out of power - again.

Out fo Office, TG. Not so sure about Power.

Jonathan

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

ThreeQuidder said:

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

What are they supposed to do? Promise to abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?

It should be patently obvious that the electorate have thrown a hospital pass. A party with a modicum of strategic nouse would see that you don't want to be the one holding the ball.
They should have let Corbyn form a government and vote him out on a whim once he has sacrificed all the gain he made in the 7 week campaign.
That is of course also entirely in their self interest, but has the added advantage of being the sensible approach to avoiding catastrophe next time.

Nonsense.

What's nonsense about it? they'll be crying into their champers in October when they go sub 200 seats again after screwing Brexit, the Northern Irish and themselves.

There isn't going to be an election until either YG says the Cons can win - or 2021.

or a handful of MPs have had enough.

dyedwoolie

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

ThreeQuidder said:

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

What are they supposed to do? Promise to abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?

It should be patently obvious that the electorate have thrown a hospital pass. A party with a modicum of strategic nouse would see that you don't want to be the one holding the ball.
They should have let Corbyn form a government and vote him out on a whim once he has sacrificed all the gain he made in the 7 week campaign.
That is of course also entirely in their self interest, but has the added advantage of being the sensible approach to avoiding catastrophe next time.

Nonsense.

What's nonsense about it? they'll be crying into their champers in October when they go sub 200 seats again after screwing Brexit, the Northern Irish and themselves.

There isn't going to be an election until either YG says the Cons can win - or 2021.

Well I'm sure we could frame a bet around that if you would like.

TGOHF

Jonathan said:

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

ThreeQuidder said:

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

What are they supposed to do? Promise to abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?

It should be patently obvious that the electorate have thrown a hospital pass. A party with a modicum of strategic nouse would see that you don't want to be the one holding the ball.
They should have let Corbyn form a government and vote him out on a whim once he has sacrificed all the gain he made in the 7 week campaign.
That is of course also entirely in their self interest, but has the added advantage of being the sensible approach to avoiding catastrophe next time.

Nonsense.

What's nonsense about it? they'll be crying into their champers in October when they go sub 200 seats again after screwing Brexit, the Northern Irish and themselves.

There isn't going to be an election until either YG says the Cons can win - or 2021.

or a handful of MPs have had enough.

I'm sure there is a long list of MPs who want to be known as the Cons who let Corbo in ...

FrankBooth

Would Damian Green fancy a shot at PM? He's got a TV background, has always seemed fairly competent and reasonable. I doubt Corbyn could beat him. Rudd is the other obvious one but her business background could still cause problems.

Peter_the_Punter

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

ThreeQuidder said:

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

What are they supposed to do? Promise to abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?

It should be patently obvious that the electorate have thrown a hospital pass. A party with a modicum of strategic nouse would see that you don't want to be the one holding the ball.
They should have let Corbyn form a government and vote him out on a whim once he has sacrificed all the gain he made in the 7 week campaign.
That is of course also entirely in their self interest, but has the added advantage of being the sensible approach to avoiding catastrophe next time.

Nonsense.

What's nonsense about it? they'll be crying into their champers in October when they go sub 200 seats again after screwing Brexit, the Northern Irish and themselves.

There isn't going to be an election until either YG says the Cons can win - or 2021.

But what if things keep keeping worse for them, TG? By 2021 they could be envying Plaid Cymru.

Jonathan

TGOHF said:

Jonathan said:

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

ThreeQuidder said:

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

What are they supposed to do? Promise to abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?

It should be patently obvious that the electorate have thrown a hospital pass. A party with a modicum of strategic nouse would see that you don't want to be the one holding the ball.
They should have let Corbyn form a government and vote him out on a whim once he has sacrificed all the gain he made in the 7 week campaign.
That is of course also entirely in their self interest, but has the added advantage of being the sensible approach to avoiding catastrophe next time.

Nonsense.

What's nonsense about it? they'll be crying into their champers in October when they go sub 200 seats again after screwing Brexit, the Northern Irish and themselves.

There isn't going to be an election until either YG says the Cons can win - or 2021.

or a handful of MPs have had enough.

I'm sure there is a long list of MPs who want to be known as the Cons who let Corbo in ...

Theresa May I think already has her towel on that one.

Plenty of good jobs out there for talented MPs.

Toms

Completely off topic, what with all the nastiness and infighting sometimes it's nice to appreciate something like this to remind ourselves to what heights we can sometimes scale:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcGt9AFlIPY

williamglenn

Peter_the_Punter said:

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

TGOHF said:

dyedwoolie said:

ThreeQuidder said:

dyedwoolie said:

So the Tory party has consigned itself to electoral oblivion. Clinging onto power like a desperate Plantagenet as Europe eyes the prize and moves in for the kill. They are utterly clueless and Strategically inept.

What are they supposed to do? Promise to abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?

It should be patently obvious that the electorate have thrown a hospital pass. A party with a modicum of strategic nouse would see that you don't want to be the one holding the ball.
They should have let Corbyn form a government and vote him out on a whim once he has sacrificed all the gain he made in the 7 week campaign.
That is of course also entirely in their self interest, but has the added advantage of being the sensible approach to avoiding catastrophe next time.

Nonsense.

What's nonsense about it? they'll be crying into their champers in October when they go sub 200 seats again after screwing Brexit, the Northern Irish and themselves.

There isn't going to be an election until either YG says the Cons can win - or 2021.

But what if things keep keeping worse for them, TG? By 2021 they could be envying Plaid Cymru.

There is a gaping hole for a pro-European centre-right force in British politics. The space that used to be occupied by the Conservatives.