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edited August 2013 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » My pick of the best GE2015 single constituency bets

One of my best bets in 2012 was the 33/1 I got on George Galloway in the Bradford West by-election. My view then remains – Galloway is a formidable politician and he’s going to be a tough one to beat. 3/1 looks a good price.

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  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    First again!
  • Interesting analysis. I think that Galloway will pick up "the anyone but"... vote which he garners so well.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Third! But thats life. ;)
  • Of Mike's 3 picks Cambridge looks the most interesting. I'm not sure why the bookies and Martin Baxter for that matter are so sure that it will be a Labour gain.

    Yesterday I invited Shadsy of Ladbrokes, far and away the best bookie in terms of political betting, to offer odds on the Berwick-on-Tweed seat which looks like a three way marginal.

    IIRC by this stage, 21 months prior to the 2010 GE, the constituency betting markets were very much more active than they are currently. Hopefully in the near future, Ladbrokes along with PP possibly, will show the way by offering a far broader range of seats, say 50+ by the end of 2013, expanding this to 100+ by the time we are within a year of polling day.
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Latest YouGov/The Sun results 7th August - Con 31%, Lab 39%, LD 11%, UKIP 11%; APP -30
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,089
    edited August 2013
    Cambridge will probably be a LD hold IMHO.

    Interesting fact is that Labour have only come second there once in the last seven election since 1983, in 2005:

    1983: third
    1987: third
    1992: first
    1997: first
    2001: first
    2005: second
    2010: third
  • O/T - Apols

    I wonder what graphologists would make of Mark Carney's totally indecipherable scrawled signature at the foot of his letter yesterday to George Osborne:

    http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetarypolicy/documents/pdf/govletter130807.pdf

    This appears all the more remarkable after his perfectly legible handwritten "Dear Chancellor" salutaton and an equally clear "Yours sincerely" before his signature.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    O?T OGH The Cow and Calf Hotel might make a good venue in lkley, large car park and great views..The Golf Club might welcome PB too..
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    IIRC by this stage, 21 months prior to the 2010 GE, the constituency betting markets were very much more active than they are currently.

    In fairness, in the age before fixed term parliaments we didn't know it would be as long as 21 months to the GE.....

    YouGov sees the 'economy' internals drift out for the coalition again - for example, "cuts good/bad for the economy" goes from 41/41 to 38/46.

    However, responsibility for the cuts still firmly "Last Labour govt": 34 (-2) vs Coalition: 24(-) - the 10 point gap the same as it was across 2012...

    http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/hhz5pqj7y8/YG-Archive-Pol-Sun-results-070813.pdf
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    The Indie's take on Bongo Bongo land:

    "‘Bongo bongo land’? Ukip’s lunatic fringe has done David Cameron a favour
    Defiant as the MEP may be, Godfrey Bloom's comments won't help his party"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/bongo-bongo-land-ukips-lunatic-fringe-has-done-david-cameron-a-favour-8750283.html

    "Has Ukip finally gone too far? 'Bongo bongo land' remarks by MEP Godfrey Bloom could prove a crucial tipping-point for the party"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/has-ukip-finally-gone-too-fa-bongo-bongo-land-remarks-by-mep-godfrey-bloom-could-prove-a-crucial-tippingpoint-for-the-party-8749639.html
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    MikeK said:

    Third! But thats life. ;)

    I would have thought UKIP would be ecstatic with third?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Nearly all the secondaries moved sharply against the Government in today's YouGov except those like approval which had already moved against yesterday. The previous move in favour which got the Sun excited has been wiped out. I'm a bit sceptical both ways - I think that 4-point lead poll had too many Tories and this 8-point one has too many Labour voters, and actually nothing much is happening: something like 38/32/11/11 looks pretty stable. EdM's view that you can shut up in August and nobody cares is seemingly being borne out.

    Of longer-term interest is that good economic news is doing nothing to the polls either. People who like the Government think "oh, good", people who don't like it think "well, about time", but it's not changing minds. The next election isn't IMO going to be won on the economy, either way.

    On topic, I'm a bit sceptical about Galloway holding on. He has a great record for winning seats for the first time, and then he moves on. The "anyone but Galloway" vote becomes significant, partly because he's not notably interested in constituency stuff. The Eastleigh bet looks tasty, though.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    If you haven't seen Brendan O'Neill's excellent article on moral panic - it swell worth 3 mins of your time http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the_hysteria_over_trolls_is_a_classic_moral_panic/13890#.UgIZem3KE8k
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,845

    Nearly all the secondaries moved sharply against the Government in today's YouGov except those like approval which had already moved against yesterday. The previous move in favour which got the Sun excited has been wiped out. I'm a bit sceptical both ways - I think that 4-point lead poll had too many Tories and this 8-point one has too many Labour voters, and actually nothing much is happening: something like 38/32/11/11 looks pretty stable. EdM's view that you can shut up in August and nobody cares is seemingly being borne out.

    Of longer-term interest is that good economic news is doing nothing to the polls either. People who like the Government think "oh, good", people who don't like it think "well, about time", but it's not changing minds. The next election isn't IMO going to be won on the economy, either way.

    On topic, I'm a bit sceptical about Galloway holding on. He has a great record for winning seats for the first time, and then he moves on. The "anyone but Galloway" vote becomes significant, partly because he's not notably interested in constituency stuff. The Eastleigh bet looks tasty, though.

    O/T:

    Nick, I don't know if you're interested as it's near to Broxtowe, but the latest edition of Rail magazine (#728) has information on the proposed Toton station, including an artists impression (page 17).

    If you look at the far-left of the picture, you can see what looks suspiciously like a tram ...

    Apparently the siting of the station generates £500 million more than the next best-performing option (presumably inner-city stations).
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2013
    The PM is out and about on the airwaves today - after 8am on BBC Breakfast so expect he'll pop up elsewhere. I'm guessing this is re the £500m for A&E and the £16m for adoptions.
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    @Plato

    Second spreadsheet emailed to you
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Financier said:

    @Plato

    Second spreadsheet emailed to you

    Brill - thanx
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658
    edited August 2013
    Neil Lennon's accent has become incomprehensible. The thickest Ulster accent with a thicker Glasgow twist. I can only understand about every second word.
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    OT: Successful but Childless.

    Interesting article by Kate Spicer who is successful but childless and contains a few nuggets of information.

    "Where a decade ago, just one in nine women remained childless at 45 and were considered rather peculiar at that, now that figure is closer to one in four. For women with a university education, like me, that figure rises to 43 per cent - an extraordinary figure which signifies a seismic social change.

    Among my friends, relatively ordinary women as opposed to media types, I am not alone in being childless. And there are many more examples in the realms of the super-successful, from Oprah Winfrey and Cameron Diaz to Helen Mirren and Theresa May.

    Of 192 female directors among 1,110 FTSE 100 board members, it is estimated that just under half of them are childless."

    She then draws an interesting inference:

    "Meanwhile, have you read Aldous Huxley's Brave New World with its population graded from the top, Alpha, down to Epsilon? If educated, successful women like me don't breed, are we gearing up for a generation of Epsilon-minus semi-morons?

    Social mobility is stickier than ever, so let's not leave breeding to the idiots."

    Are we getting there already?

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2386400/Kate-Spicer-Any-woman-says-shes-happy-childless-liar-fool.html#ixzz2bMD6E2aa


  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,191
    Cambridge result 2010:


    Liberal Democrat Julian Huppert 19,621 39.1 −5.6

    Conservative Nick Hillman 12,829 25.6 +8.3

    Labour Daniel Zeichner 12,174 24.3 −9.7

    Green Tony Juniper 3,804 7.6 +4.7

    UKIP Peter Burkinshaw 1,195 2.4 +1.0


    It seems to me that this is a bet on whether the University towns are really going to punish the Lib Dems for the fees hypocrisy. Given it will be nearly 5 years in the past by 2015, more than a whole generation of University students, I seriously doubt it.

    I also suspect that Huppert will benefit by the split opposition vote with the tories and Labour fairly even. If the Lib Dems lose this one they really are facing melt down. Lib Dem hold for me.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    The next election isn't IMO going to be won on the economy

    Brave.

    But then given blame for the "cuts" had seen a 10 point Labour lead across 2012 and 2013 to date I might want to belive that too....

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587



    O/T:

    Nick, I don't know if you're interested as it's near to Broxtowe, but the latest edition of Rail magazine (#728) has information on the proposed Toton station, including an artists impression (page 17).

    If you look at the far-left of the picture, you can see what looks suspiciously like a tram ...

    Apparently the siting of the station generates £500 million more than the next best-performing option (presumably inner-city stations).

    Thanks, Josias - very interesting. Toton station is smack in the middle of Broxtowe (the most Tory part) and there's no doubt that the development would entirely change the character of the area - at present, it's almost entirely residential. The current tram development stops nearby and it would certainly be extended to the station. The local planning officials are thrilled to bits about it. Residents' opinion is distinctly mixed (and the impact on neighbouring Trowell is even worse), and it's only the belief that it's both a long time away and yet already a done deal that is IMO preventing uproar.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Chris Bryant tweets: "Surprised @BBCr4today haven't yet interviewed anyone on the immigration cover-up story"

    10 minutes before Today interviewed first John Vine and then Mark Harper.....with Cameron appearing on BBC Breakfast from Salford Royal NHS to talk about the £500m.....not sure Labour's August omertà is entirely wise..
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    Financier said:

    OT: Successful but Childless.

    She then draws an interesting inference:

    "Meanwhile, have you read Aldous Huxley's Brave New World with its population graded from the top, Alpha, down to Epsilon? If educated, successful women like me don't breed, are we gearing up for a generation of Epsilon-minus semi-morons?

    Social mobility is stickier than ever, so let's not leave breeding to the idiots."

    Are we getting there already?

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2386400/Kate-Spicer-Any-woman-says-shes-happy-childless-liar-fool.html#ixzz2bMD6E2aa


    I think a closer analogous Sci Fi story is The Marching Morons by C. M. Kornbluth a truly dystopian future.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724

    Chris Bryant tweets: "Surprised @BBCr4today haven't yet interviewed anyone on the immigration cover-up story"

    10 minutes before Today interviewed first John Vine and then Mark Harper.....with Cameron appearing on BBC Breakfast from Salford Royal NHS to talk about the £500m.....not sure Labour's August omertà is entirely wise..

    What cover-up story? I've not seen a peep about that anywhere. There's nothing in the Times today bar a very strange article of a surgeon who lied about removing some poor woman's brain tumour.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,854
    Financier, we had two generations of the brightest and the best decimated in the last century, generally speaking before they could father successors. There was a Scottish study which showed it very well, for WWII at least.
  • Galloway was my biggest betting loss at the 2005 GE, so underestimate him at your peril.
    On Eastleigh, there are lots of cases of parties coming close in a by-election, declaring "no seat is safe" and then falling back at the GE when the incumbent party's voters get out of their armchairs and vote.
    Hamilton South, Monklands East, Falkirk West, Hartlepool, Bromley and Hodge Hill are examples.
    Cambridge looks "hold-able" for the LDs. Watch out for bar-charts saying it's a two-horse race between them and the Tories.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2013
    Blue_rog said:

    Financier said:

    OT: Successful but Childless.

    She then draws an interesting inference:

    "Meanwhile, have you read Aldous Huxley's Brave New World with its population graded from the top, Alpha, down to Epsilon? If educated, successful women like me don't breed, are we gearing up for a generation of Epsilon-minus semi-morons?

    Social mobility is stickier than ever, so let's not leave breeding to the idiots."

    Are we getting there already?

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2386400/Kate-Spicer-Any-woman-says-shes-happy-childless-liar-fool.html#ixzz2bMD6E2aa


    I think a closer analogous Sci Fi story is The Marching Morons by C. M. Kornbluth a truly dystopian future.
    Speaking of sci-fi - did anyone watch Sharknado? I'll catch it later but it sounds like a very funny/so bad its good disaster movie. The tweets were LOL funny.

    Alex Andreou @sturdyAlex
    A shark broke through the roof of the car and attacked them. On a road. A dry road.They are fighting it with a stick. @chiller #sharknado

    A shark is climbing a rope to try and get the hero. Climbing a rope and actually going RAARRRR RAARRRRR. @chiller #sharknado

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRF63SUCYAAzDmZ.jpg:large
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Cambridge is on my shortlist for the "JackW Dozen" - 13 seats to watch for the general election that will become part of the ARSE projection. Presently only Broxtowe has made the cut ....

    PBers are invited to nominate other seats.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Plato said:

    Chris Bryant tweets: "Surprised @BBCr4today haven't yet interviewed anyone on the immigration cover-up story"

    10 minutes before Today interviewed first John Vine and then Mark Harper.....with Cameron appearing on BBC Breakfast from Salford Royal NHS to talk about the £500m.....not sure Labour's August omertà is entirely wise..

    What cover-up story? I've not seen a peep about that anywhere. There's nothing in the Times today bar a very strange article of a surgeon who lied about removing some poor woman's brain tumour.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10229545/Theresa-May-accused-of-cover-up-over-censored-report.html
  • From The Daily Telegraph's "City Briefing" this morning:

    More bad news for Ladbrokes. After a poor first quarter and a profit warning following a disappointing Cheltenham Festival, the bookie has this morning revealed that profits have halved in the first half of the year. Richard Glynn, chief executive, says: "We have continued to make good operational progress against our strategy which, disappointingly, is not reflected in our first half financial performance."

    No bonuses come Christmas for Shadsy and the boys then?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,845



    O/T:

    Nick, I don't know if you're interested as it's near to Broxtowe, but the latest edition of Rail magazine (#728) has information on the proposed Toton station, including an artists impression (page 17).

    If you look at the far-left of the picture, you can see what looks suspiciously like a tram ...

    Apparently the siting of the station generates £500 million more than the next best-performing option (presumably inner-city stations).

    Thanks, Josias - very interesting. Toton station is smack in the middle of Broxtowe (the most Tory part) and there's no doubt that the development would entirely change the character of the area - at present, it's almost entirely residential. The current tram development stops nearby and it would certainly be extended to the station. The local planning officials are thrilled to bits about it. Residents' opinion is distinctly mixed (and the impact on neighbouring Trowell is even worse), and it's only the belief that it's both a long time away and yet already a done deal that is IMO preventing uproar.
    As ever with artists' impressions, there are lots of cut-n-pasted stylised trees scattered about (although they have kept the cooling towers of Ratcliffe-on-Soar in the background, but not the chimney).

    I don't know the area massively well, but I'm not sure how an area that contains the massive site of Toton sidings and depot can be called 'almost entirely residential' ... :-)

    What do you think would cause the uproar?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Good morning, everyone.

    Miss Plato, it's the first I've heard of Sharknado, but it sounds rather surreal fun to me. Not unlike the shark in the original Batman film.

    Did they fight it off using shark-repellant Batspray?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724

    Good morning, everyone.

    Miss Plato, it's the first I've heard of Sharknado, but it sounds rather surreal fun to me. Not unlike the shark in the original Batman film.

    Did they fight it off using shark-repellant Batspray?

    I think it was just sticks and things the cast bought from B&Q according the tweets... I loved the Batspray!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    I had only heard of Sharknado in the context of Twigg clinging to his job:

    "Ed Miliband is rumoured to be on the verge of sacking shadow education secretary Stephen Twigg, who is simply no match for Michael Gove’s flair and intellect. I hear that Vernon Coaker, who was Children, Schools and Families Minister under Brown and Balls, is in line for promotion. Coaker is a former teacher and seasoned political pugilist, so he would certainly brighten things up.

    But the damp Twigg has not given up, not yet. As is his wont, he has penned a letter to the Times Education Supplement. And, as ever, it is not a success. Among the usual bleats about Gove being a rabble rousing ‘ideologue’, I noticed this line:

    ‘Like a shark in a tornado nothing is left undamaged.’

    Gove was able to draw on Burke and John Stuart Mill in a piece for the Guardian last week; but poor Twiggy can only nod at ‘Sharknado’, a niche low budget disaster film about, you guessed it, a tornado that spouts sharks."

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/steerpike/2013/08/twigg-fights-reshuffle-fears-with-sharknado/
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Demos @Demos
    .@DouglasCarswell suggests online party membership on #newsnight | Read @JamieJBartlett's paper on 'Virtual Members': ow.ly/nJgvf
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    @CarlottaVance

    It was #1 trending on Twitter last night - the PR lady Amy who runs the Syfy account is chuffed to bits
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Plato said:

    @CarlottaVance

    It was #1 trending on Twitter last night - the PR lady Amy who runs the Syfy account is chuffed to bits

    Maybe Twigg is surfing the Zeitgeist and its Gove that's out of touch!


  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    edited August 2013
    Related to the low motherhood rate amongst high-achieving women is this story:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-23600465

    In a nutshell, many mothers apparently feel discriminated against at work.

    I've heard some say [yes, supervague anecdote] that maternity leave is actually problematic, because it's so generous that it puts businesses off hiring women, and that if a woman is hired and she's likely to have kids they'd rather promote others so that they don't end up losing a high-ranking member of staff for prolonged periods.

    Edited extra bit: Not Sharknado, but Shark On A Train: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23610105
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Re: Galloway. Do we know if he will be able to run as a RESPECT candidate in 2015 since the party split? What kind of state will the party be in?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    From The Daily Telegraph's "City Briefing" this morning:

    More bad news for Ladbrokes. After a poor first quarter and a profit warning following a disappointing Cheltenham Festival, the bookie has this morning revealed that profits have halved in the first half of the year. Richard Glynn, chief executive, says: "We have continued to make good operational progress against our strategy which, disappointingly, is not reflected in our first half financial performance."

    No bonuses come Christmas for Shadsy and the boys then?

    If that includes FOBTs then they must be in a proper mess when it comes to the real bets they lay
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Poor old Labour

    http://t.co/oLVMydkZAq

    Jim Pickard @PickardJE
    So quite a few Labour-run councils also have zero-hours contracts. ft.com/cms/s/0/707025… Harder for Labour to adopt moral high ground now.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658

    Related to the low motherhood rate amongst high-achieving women is this story:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-23600465

    In a nutshell, many mothers apparently feel discriminated against at work.

    I've heard some say [yes, supervague anecdote] that maternity leave is actually problematic, because it's so generous that it puts businesses off hiring women, and that if a woman is hired and she's likely to have kids they'd rather promote others so that they don't end up losing a high-ranking member of staff for prolonged periods.

    Edited extra bit: Not Sharknado, but Shark On A Train: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23610105

    I'm afraid it's just 1970s Harman style bollocks coming home to roost. Ladies of a certain age who grew up being told you can have it all just like blokes do are slowly realising they've been sold a lie. For a start off blokes never had it all they had to make compromises the same as women do. The only people who got career, family and an amazing social life were those who were already rich and could afford a nanny to do all the mundane stuff. For the rest paying off the house, raising kids, squeezing in work, home chores are just part of the crappier lifestyle we've elected to take. So women now get more of the "all" men had - long hours, blood pressure, alcohol and little time with the family. The one plus note is that younger women are a bit more circumspect about whether they want to have what blokes get.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    Everyone should decamp up to Edinburgh. Everything about the City looks like it should be Tory-except the people who are imaginative creative and socially aware-nothing like the Tufton Buftons who dominate similar places in England.
  • Bradford West also depends on if local Labour get their act together (like they did in Tower Hamlets in 2010 before losing it again in 2011....).


    In Cambridge Labour reselected their 2010 candidate....
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Quite. And handing your children off to a nanny or AN Other is no substitute.

    My parents worked full-time and we never had a single family holiday as they were *busy* earning. I went to someone else's house after school for tea, spent my time at someone else's house with their family during the holidays. It was like being fostered PT.

    I'd rather we had a bit less [it wasn't much to start with] and were more together.

    Related to the low motherhood rate amongst high-achieving women is this story:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-23600465

    In a nutshell, many mothers apparently feel discriminated against at work.

    I've heard some say [yes, supervague anecdote] that maternity leave is actually problematic, because it's so generous that it puts businesses off hiring women, and that if a woman is hired and she's likely to have kids they'd rather promote others so that they don't end up losing a high-ranking member of staff for prolonged periods.

    Edited extra bit: Not Sharknado, but Shark On A Train: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23610105

    I'm afraid it's just 1970s Harman style bollocks coming home to roost. Ladies of a certain age who grew up being told you can have it all just like blokes do are slowly realising they've been sold a lie. For a start off blokes never had it all they had to make compromises the same as women do. The only people who got career, family and an amazing social life were those who were already rich and could afford a nanny to do all the mundane stuff. For the rest paying off the house, raising kids, squeezing in work, home chores are just part of the crappier lifestyle we've elected to take. So women now get more of the "all" men had - long hours, blood pressure, alcohol and little time with the family. The one plus note is that younger women are a bit more circumspect about whether they want to have what blokes get.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    China slows....demand for minerals declines.....Australian $ hit.......price of Australian wine falls in the UK.....R4
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658
    Roger said:

    Everyone should decamp up to Edinburgh. Everything about the City looks like it should be Tory-except the people who are imaginative creative and socially aware-nothing like the Tufton Buftons who dominate similar places in England.

    So that means you'll be staying at home Roger ? I'm mean you're english and if not a Tufton Bufton you're certainly a Bufton Tufton.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,098
    Roger said:

    Everyone should decamp up to Edinburgh. Everything about the City looks like it should be Tory-except the people who are imaginative creative and socially aware-nothing like the Tufton Buftons who dominate similar places in England.

    God yes please. All true, proper-thinking Lab supporters get yourselves up to Edinburgh what a place, the festival, the fringe, the tram, etc.

    And come 2014 you have a duty to vote "Yes".

    Job done.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    TOPPING said:

    Roger said:

    Everyone should decamp up to Edinburgh. Everything about the City looks like it should be Tory-except the people who are imaginative creative and socially aware-nothing like the Tufton Buftons who dominate similar places in England.

    God yes please. All true, proper-thinking Lab supporters get yourselves up to Edinburgh what a place, the festival, the fringe, the tram, etc.

    And come 2014 you have a duty to vote "Yes".

    Job done.
    LOL
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Ian Birrell is on a roll - he's genuinely appalled by the hypocrisy of the Big Charities

    Ian Birrell
    @ianbirrell
    Shocking: Just looked at 2011 accounts of Save The Children in US. Ceo given nearly $475k in pay & perks. 181 staff paid more than $100,000

    Under half what his opposite number at @SavetheChildren earns>> RT @Humanicontraria For the record: my 2013 salary CEO of MSF-UK = £71,500

    It gets worse: now we learn @savechildrenuk chiefs helped themselves to a £162k bonus pot bit.ly/13kLX7L
  • Plato said:

    TOPPING said:

    Roger said:

    Everyone should decamp up to Edinburgh. Everything about the City looks like it should be Tory-except the people who are imaginative creative and socially aware-nothing like the Tufton Buftons who dominate similar places in England.

    God yes please. All true, proper-thinking Lab supporters get yourselves up to Edinburgh what a place, the festival, the fringe, the tram, etc.

    And come 2014 you have a duty to vote "Yes".

    Job done.
    LOL
    I like the idea that a place looks Tory (is that good or bad for Edinburgh?) but the entire population are anti-Tory. Great post from the Milfield champagne socialist.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    The Indie's take on Bongo Bongo land:

    "‘Bongo bongo land’? Ukip’s lunatic fringe has done David Cameron a favour
    Defiant as the MEP may be, Godfrey Bloom's comments won't help his party"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/bongo-bongo-land-ukips-lunatic-fringe-has-done-david-cameron-a-favour-8750283.html

    "Has Ukip finally gone too far? 'Bongo bongo land' remarks by MEP Godfrey Bloom could prove a crucial tipping-point for the party"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/has-ukip-finally-gone-too-fa-bongo-bongo-land-remarks-by-mep-godfrey-bloom-could-prove-a-crucial-tippingpoint-for-the-party-8749639.html

    Anecdotally, I went for a run with a mate yesterday who has very littlle interest in politics. He had heard about the Bongo Bongo argument and started off by saying that if ukip wanted to be taken seriously they needed to be more professional, but by the end of it he said that head no idea we gave so much moneys foreign countries that have their own nuclear weapons and space programs, and admitted had Bloom not used such terms, the debate wouldn't be out there and perhaps the end justified the means

    There will be a polling question about this wont there?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    @alanbrooke

    I'll ignore your reply to me and concentrate on your 'Harman style bollocks' post. Very good post. Don't totally agree but interesting angle. The device I'm typing on makes lucid conversation impossible so I'll have to leave my reservations hanging.....
  • GasmanGasman Posts: 132
    edited August 2013
    Blue_rog said:


    I think a closer analogous Sci Fi story is The Marching Morons by C. M. Kornbluth a truly dystopian future.

    Idiocracy http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/?ref_=sr_1 is the ultimate demonstration of where we're going. It has a couple of family trees towards the start - a successful working couple who think about having a child but leave it too late and a unemployed redneck couple who spawn countless descendants.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658
    Roger said:

    @alanbrooke

    I'll ignore your reply to me and concentrate on your 'Harman style bollocks' post. Very good post. Don't totally agree but interesting angle. The device I'm typing on makes lucid conversation impossible so I'll have to leave my reservations hanging.....

    Well Roger I was a bit disappointed with your post, I view you as one of the few Londoners who can keep up with the vibrancy of the avantgarde arts scene in Ludlow.

    http://www.ludlowassemblyrooms.co.uk/diary.php

    I will in any case be in Edinburgh later this month, but that's mostly so I can cool off with something a bit more provincial after a summer packed with events like "The Ludlow Pudding Experience". Really Roger you've got to get out more, there's a whole range of cutting edge art passing you by.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Gasman said:

    Blue_rog said:


    I think a closer analogous Sci Fi story is The Marching Morons by C. M. Kornbluth a truly dystopian future.

    Idiocracy http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/?ref_=sr_1 is the ultimate demonstration of where we're going. It has a couple of family trees towards the start - a successful working couple who think about having a child but leave it too late and a unemployed redneck couple who spawn countless descendants.
    Marie Stopes would be delighted by this discussion - contraception was important to stop the stupid and feckless from multiplying, it was nothing to do with wimmins rights.

    She has a most peculiar biog - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Stopes#Advocacy_of_eugenics
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    Re Edinburgh....I should have added and hardly a Mail or Telegraph in sight
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Roger. so there are some then..
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    @Alanbrooke

    I must revisit Ludlow. I was waiting for the inauguration of the 4th Conservative association building but with all the austerity stuff around I imagine they'll continue to make do with three. Must be a squeeze though?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Roger said:

    Re Edinburgh....I should have added and hardly a Mail or Telegraph in sight

    Probably sold out.....you should get yourself over to Ravelston Garden if you need a Tory fix to reassure yourself....
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,037
    Morning all :)

    http://www.cityam.com/article/why-governor-s-monetary-revolution-will-eventually-backfire

    A superb critique of Carney's announcement on interest rates which I consider absolutely appalling. We need to return to normal monetary conditions and not keep throwing good money into gilts or whatever. The cynic in me holds the view that Osborne has told Carney that he needs to keep the families and the mortgage payers sweet until 2015 and that means no rises in interest rates which might choke off consumer demand and damp down the so-called "feel-good" factor which the Conservatives presumably hope and believe will propel them to a majority Government.

    What then for savers who face another two or three years of miserable returns ? Presumably Osborne has calculated that as these are predominantly elderly, they'll all vote Tory anyway so he doesn't much care.

    As Heath argues, we need a managed and gradual return to normal monetary policy but Osborne's desperation to be re-elected shows we are heading for something nasty in the next mid-term. All the 2010 rhetoric about sound economic management really sounds dreadfully hollow now.

    Fortunately for Osborne, the serious and credible critics of his policy aren't on the Labour frontbenchers but they do exist and their arguments can't be brushed off.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Can I just say now refreshing it is for Mr Cameron to apologise in public to Mr Cruddas for what happened.

    Not often one sees that sort of thing. Did Tony ever apologise to Mandy over the passports?

    Mr Cameron said he was looking forward to meeting his former colleague later in the year. On a visit to Devon, the Prime Minister said: ‘I rather think I do owe him an apology. Had I known at the time how badly the journalists had behaved, I might have been in the position to take a different approach. I am very sorry about that.

    ‘I congratulate Peter Cruddas on his victory and on the verdict he has won. I think it is very deserved.
    ‘He has done a huge amount for this country. I look forward to meeting him after the summer.’

    In March last year, the Sunday Times had quoted Mr Cruddas saying a £250,000 donation would put businessmen in the ‘premier league’ of donors and allow them to have dinner with the Prime Minister and George Osborne.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658
    Roger said:

    @Alanbrooke

    I must revisit Ludlow. I was waiting for the inauguration of the 4th Conservative association building but with all the austerity stuff around I imagine they'll continue to make do with three. Must be a squeeze though?

    That opens in October. It's to be named the Tory Blair Centre after Britain's greatest living Daily Mail reader. Book early is my recommendation there will be a ticket rush as Ludlow Young Farmers Actors Collective will be performing an interpretation of the Middle East conflict through the medium of 6 barrels of scrumpy. The fight scenes are incredibly realistic.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,641

    Good morning, everyone.

    Miss Plato, it's the first I've heard of Sharknado, but it sounds rather surreal fun to me. Not unlike the shark in the original Batman film.

    Did they fight it off using shark-repellant Batspray?

    Sharknado is so passé! You want to watch "Ghost shark" with it's tag-line "if you're wet, you're dead"!!

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Labour being favourite for Cambridge is interesting as lest we forget they came 3rd last time.

    They appear to have selected the same candidate - who didn't help his cause by making a Nazi salute during a campaign debate.

    General Election 2010: Cambridge[6]
    Party Candidate Votes % ±%
    Liberal Democrat Julian Huppert 19,621 39.1 −5.6
    Conservative Nick Hillman 12,829 25.6 +8.3
    Labour Daniel Zeichner 12,174 24.3 −9.7

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1268389/Labour-candidate-performing-Nazi-salute-Cambridge-University-debate.html

    "Daniel Zeichner, 53, was appearing at the Cambridge University Union to discuss whether the Conservatives were ready to return to power.

    During his speech, when he accused the Tories of associating with ‘fascists’ such as the Polish Law and Justice Party, he made the ‘Heil Hitler’ salute."

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    John Bingham @John_Bingham
    UK has fastest growing population on Europe ONS says

    ONS @statisticsONS
    Estimated UK #population 63.7m in mid-2012, up from 63.3m in mid-2011 bit.ly/1cv5gDv #ONS
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    @isam - Bloom raised a topic on which the polling is unambiguous in a way which generated headlines - he offended those who he would probably be more than happy to offend - but what the broader impact, if any, of his choice of words is difficult to say. We certainly wouldn't be discussing a headline about "UKIP MEP says we spend too much on foreign aid".....If there is any polling I suspect it will say "wrong words, right issue."
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    There are a load of roomba videos knocking about - cats are very keen on sitting on them/hitting dogs in the face as they glide by...
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724

    @isam - Bloom raised a topic on which the polling is unambiguous in a way which generated headlines - he offended those who he would probably be more than happy to offend - but what the broader impact, if any, of his choice of words is difficult to say. We certainly wouldn't be discussing a headline about "UKIP MEP says we spend too much on foreign aid".....If there is any polling I suspect it will say "wrong words, right issue."

    It's just such a perfect Carry On type of story with Hattie Jacques being boiled in pot by someone dressed in leopard skin with a bone through his nose.

    Foreign aid is according to MORI the issue where most feel we need to cut spending - so Godders just threw a bit of lighter fuel on it. I doubt it will make any difference.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,571
    edited August 2013
    Shadsy reckoned good value on his site was Danny Alexander at Evens when I chatted to him at Dirty Dicks, but then again I reminded him of his err err Bristol 'TIP' ^^;;;/
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    For those who contend that papers aren't influential because paper sales are in decline

    Peter Hoskins @PeterHoskinsSky
    ONS: For the first time in 2013, the majority of adults read newspapers online (55%), up from 47% in 2012
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Mark Easton @BBCMarkEaston
    UK pop grew 419k (0.7%) in year to June 2012, #ons estimates. 61% of inc. due to more births than deaths, 39% to migration.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Plato said:

    Estimated UK #population 63.7m in mid-2012, up from 63.3m in mid-2011 bit.ly/1cv5gDv #ONS

    Where did we put a locality the size of Manchester?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,571
    Plato said:



    Not often one sees that sort of thing. Did Tony ever apologise to Mandy over the passports?

    Tony gave Mandelson the best sort of apology - a job for the boys followed by a ride on the EU gravy train ! I'd take that over someone saying sorry any day of the week.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    TGOHF said:

    Labour being favourite for Cambridge is interesting as lest we forget they came 3rd last time.

    They appear to have selected the same candidate - who didn't help his cause by making a Nazi salute during a campaign debate.

    General Election 2010: Cambridge[6]
    Party Candidate Votes % ±%
    Liberal Democrat Julian Huppert 19,621 39.1 −5.6
    Conservative Nick Hillman 12,829 25.6 +8.3
    Labour Daniel Zeichner 12,174 24.3 −9.7

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1268389/Labour-candidate-performing-Nazi-salute-Cambridge-University-debate.html

    "Daniel Zeichner, 53, was appearing at the Cambridge University Union to discuss whether the Conservatives were ready to return to power.

    During his speech, when he accused the Tories of associating with ‘fascists’ such as the Polish Law and Justice Party, he made the ‘Heil Hitler’ salute."

    CC results in May for Cambridge Parliamentary Constituency wards

    Lab 10150
    LDem 7257
    Con 3684
    Green 2298
    Ind 1024
    UKIP 933
    Others 118

    This is why the current odds have Labour as favourites and Conservatives a poor 3rd . Much of the John Hipkin Independent vote in Castle ward should be added to the LD total taking them to around 8,000 .


  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724

    Plato said:

    Estimated UK #population 63.7m in mid-2012, up from 63.3m in mid-2011 bit.ly/1cv5gDv #ONS

    Where did we put a locality the size of Manchester?

    Shhh. There is plenty of space - in fact until we are like New York without Central Park, we should welcome all comers. They all pay their way. And their kids. And their relatives.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    CV..In four back rooms in Southall..
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Hopi Sen tries to explain David Miliband's article - with limited success:

    http://www.progressonline.org.uk/2013/08/08/its-complicated-stupid/
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited August 2013
    This is Emma Double Surname's latest contribution

    http://www.shieldsgazette.com/opinion/columnists/doing-all-we-can-to-tackle-crime-1-5926718

    Hopi Sen tries to explain David Miliband's article - with limited success:

    http://www.progressonline.org.uk/2013/08/08/its-complicated-stupid/

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Oh and can I just say Thank You to those posters who were chivalrous on the last couple of threads in my absence.

    Golly, what names and allegations were made about me! Still, if a small pool of peculiar lefties think its a good idea to be rude to me and are charmless when I'm not even about to respond - feel free. The lurkers who are 90% of the traffic on PB can make up their own mind.

    And I'm not sure they'd decide I was the horrible person.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724

    This is Emma Double Surname's latest contribution

    http://www.shieldsgazette.com/opinion/columnists/doing-all-we-can-to-tackle-crime-1-5926718

    Hopi Sen tries to explain David Miliband's article - with limited success:

    http://www.progressonline.org.uk/2013/08/08/its-complicated-stupid/

    Whilst not wishing to knock Ms DoubleBarrel's accent - she sounds just like my MiL, which I find endearing hinny - her reading/penning age appears to be about 10yrs old.

    Still if that's her constituency - its perfect if rather dull reading.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2013
    Daniel Knowles @dlknowles
    Canary Wharf grew from 27,000 employees a decade ago to 100,000 now. Mostly Michael Heseltine to thank.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    This is Emma Double Surname's latest contribution

    http://www.shieldsgazette.com/opinion/columnists/doing-all-we-can-to-tackle-crime-1-5926718

    Hopi Sen tries to explain David Miliband's article - with limited success:

    http://www.progressonline.org.uk/2013/08/08/its-complicated-stupid/

    "Labour is proud of its record on crime.

    Offences in our area fell every year under the last Labour Government, after having more than doubled under the Tories."

    It will be interesting to see who she ascribes future changes in the crime stats - central government, or Vera Baird, the Police Commissioner......
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Plato said:

    Estimated UK #population 63.7m in mid-2012, up from 63.3m in mid-2011 bit.ly/1cv5gDv #ONS

    Where did we put a locality the size of Manchester?

    Manchester, obviously.
  • @Plato

    what is a MiL? Mother in Law?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Sorry, yes. And *hinny* is a general Geordie term for female in a nice way - like *mate* for men.

    @Plato

    what is a MiL? Mother in Law?

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658
    Plato said:

    Daniel Knowles @dlknowles
    Canary Wharf grew from 27,000 employees a decade ago to 100,000 now. Mostly Michael Heseltine to thank.

    Daniel Knowles ! Does he still write ? I thought he was working in Frankie and Benny's Sutton Coldfield these days. The kipper comments on his DT thread were still some of the funniest blogging I've seen. It was like a fluffy duckling taking on a hungover buffalo with bad haemorrhoids
  • Ok, thanks.
    Plato said:

    Sorry, yes. And *hinny* is a general Geordie term for female in a nice way - like *mate* for men.

    @Plato

    what is a MiL? Mother in Law?

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    :^ )

    "When visiting somewhere new, it is not always necessary to buy guide books. Just read crime reports from the local courts... Thus, from Paisley Sheriff Court, we have the recent tale of a 46-year-old man, Gary Muir, who accidentally stabbed his wife during a heated row about Scotland’s independence referendum. The couple had been out with family and friends for a birthday celebration. Afterwards, gathered in someone’s flat, Muir became embroiled in a political argument.

    The discussion, it was said, heated up after Muir was hit on the head by a woman wielding a bottle. Enraged, as you would be, he admitted taking two knives from the kitchen and repeatedly stabbed another man, Matthew Stewart. When Muir’s wife, Allison, tried to disarm him, he admitted accidentally stabbing her too, causing damage to her liver, stomach and gall bladder. Nothing too serious: the surgeons only had to remove her gall bladder.

    ...Muir was jailed for 14 months. He’ll be out in time to carry on the debate and vote in the referendum. And I know I shouldn’t find it remotely funny. But I just can’t help it." http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/melaniereid/article3837106.ece
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    On topic, I like the bet on UKIP in Eastleigh and the evens bet on Danny Alexander. I'm not convinced by George Galloway's staying power at a general election, even at 3/1. 6/4 on Julian Huppert isn't a ridiculous bet.

    What I'd like most is a lot more constituencies to choose from.

    In the meantime, 11/4 on the Conservatives in Broxtowe is well worth considering. A high profile first term incumbent should not be so long priced. It's certainly a better bet than 4/1 on a Conservative overall majority and probably better than 13/8 on Conservative most seats.

    Is it obligatory to add the words "innocent face" at this point?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    This sort of talk has been going on a century or so. It fails to recognize the phenomenon of regression to the mean. Broadly, as thick people sometimes have clever children and clever people sometimes have thick ones, the tendency over time is for the mean intelligence of the population stays broadly the same.

    Professional women without children also create space for the upward social mobility of others. It may be a personal disappointment but is not a disaster for society.
    Plato said:

    Gasman said:

    Blue_rog said:


    I think a closer analogous Sci Fi story is The Marching Morons by C. M. Kornbluth a truly dystopian future.

    Idiocracy http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/?ref_=sr_1 is the ultimate demonstration of where we're going. It has a couple of family trees towards the start - a successful working couple who think about having a child but leave it too late and a unemployed redneck couple who spawn countless descendants.
    Marie Stopes would be delighted by this discussion - contraception was important to stop the stupid and feckless from multiplying, it was nothing to do with wimmins rights.

    She has a most peculiar biog - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Stopes#Advocacy_of_eugenics
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2013

    Plato said:

    Daniel Knowles @dlknowles
    Canary Wharf grew from 27,000 employees a decade ago to 100,000 now. Mostly Michael Heseltine to thank.

    Daniel Knowles ! Does he still write ? I thought he was working in Frankie and Benny's Sutton Coldfield these days. The kipper comments on his DT thread were still some of the funniest blogging I've seen. It was like a fluffy duckling taking on a hungover buffalo with bad haemorrhoids
    He's gone to the Economist where his leftish iPhone views will be quite at home.

    I still can't believe a tweet discussion I had with him about branding - Evil Tories and footballers were seduced by branding and spent appalling money on them/they created non-jobs - he owned an iPhone *because it was a good phone*
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    edited August 2013



    I don't know the area massively well, but I'm not sure how an area that contains the massive site of Toton sidings and depot can be called 'almost entirely residential' ... :-)

    What do you think would cause the uproar?

    It's not half as massive as it was, and housing has been encroaching from all sides - there are two massive estates that have been built in the last 20 years. Routes to the area are so-so - the tram will help a lot if you want to get to the city, but otherwise it's all congested at rush hour now. The station will turn it from a sleepy residential area with quite pleasant green areas and an underused sidings into a bustling business suburb with loads of traffic, hotels, transport businesses, shops, etc. That's not all bad, but it's very different. The uproar would focus firstly on traffic, but underlying it would be a general change of atmosphere.

    But as I said, the distance in time and sense of inevitability is dampening feelings. "This may well all look very different in 15-20 years!" doesn't really stir the blood.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Made My Day

    Guido Fawkes @GuidoFawkes
    LOL "Islington People's Rights Organisation" hiring advisers on zero hours contracts rightsnet.org.uk/jobs/vacancy/l…
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Plato said:

    This is Emma Double Surname's latest contribution

    http://www.shieldsgazette.com/opinion/columnists/doing-all-we-can-to-tackle-crime-1-5926718

    Hopi Sen tries to explain David Miliband's article - with limited success:

    http://www.progressonline.org.uk/2013/08/08/its-complicated-stupid/

    Whilst not wishing to knock Ms DoubleBarrel's accent - she sounds just like my MiL, which I find endearing hinny - her reading/penning age appears to be about 10yrs old.

    Still if that's her constituency - its perfect if rather dull reading.
    At least Emma Double-Surname's prose is understandable - unlike her predecessor's effort yesterday - much better her than another north London intellectual manqué

  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,565
    When was the last time George Galloway held a seat? I wouldn't touch 3-1. And is it just me or has he been low profile by his standards recently? I expect Labour to win back both Bradford seats. West as discussed, David Ward has had a tricky first term as Lib Dem MP in the East seat and looks vulnerable if he is even allowed to stand again.

    I'd be betting on Lib Dems in both Eastleigh and Cambridge. I expect both seats will have extensive outside help and good first time incumbent candidates.

    On my radar:
    Montgomery - best chance of Lib Dem win imo
    Anglesey - most likely Labour loss?
    Northampton South - Brian Binley standing down, UKIP strong in May, I fancy a Labour gain.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2013

    This sort of talk has been going on a century or so. It fails to recognize the phenomenon of regression to the mean. Broadly, as thick people sometimes have clever children and clever people sometimes have thick ones, the tendency over time is for the mean intelligence of the population stays broadly the same.

    Professional women without children also create space for the upward social mobility of others. It may be a personal disappointment but is not a disaster for society.

    Plato said:

    Gasman said:

    Blue_rog said:


    I think a closer analogous Sci Fi story is The Marching Morons by C. M. Kornbluth a truly dystopian future.

    Idiocracy http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/?ref_=sr_1 is the ultimate demonstration of where we're going. It has a couple of family trees towards the start - a successful working couple who think about having a child but leave it too late and a unemployed redneck couple who spawn countless descendants.
    Marie Stopes would be delighted by this discussion - contraception was important to stop the stupid and feckless from multiplying, it was nothing to do with wimmins rights.

    She has a most peculiar biog - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Stopes#Advocacy_of_eugenics
    I'd largely agree - but the expression *chinless wonder* came about as a result of a smaller gene pool in the aristocracy. Same as that odd low-browed/close together eyes look of those often convicted of offences.

    From a purely anthropological viewpoint [a subject I wish I'd studied instead] it's fascinating stuff. Like Bushmen and big bums.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    tpfkar said:


    I'd be betting on Lib Dems in both Eastleigh and Cambridge. I expect both seats will have extensive outside help and good first time incumbent candidates.

    Unless Eastleigh is submerged by Rumanians I'd say Lib Dem hold too - they'll go on their local record again, and this time will not be shy of taking the fight to UKIP and their record as MEPs....

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