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  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Apparently they are entitled to do this because Gibraltar, like the rest of the UK, is not part of the Sheningan agreement

    No they aren't, and being inside/outside Schengen makes no difference. Both Spain and Gib are part of the EU so what they are sabre-rattling about would be illegal.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    "Retail sales enjoyed their fastest July growth in seven years, thanks to the month's heatwave, according to the British Retail Consortium (BRC).

    On a like-for-like basis, the BRC said sales had been up 2.2% compared with last year, as consumers rushed out to buy swimwear, sandals, sun cream, beer and barbecue foods.

    July was the third successive month of improving figures."


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23583825
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    "Pressed again over how Scotland could solve the potential crisis, Mr Salmond said: “The way to deal with it is to get a derogation so nobody is forced into a more accelerated settlement of the pension deficit and secondly, an option of splitting the schemes [between Scotland and what is left of the UK] and we’ll outline that in our pension paper.”

    However, the specific reference to a derogation last night prompted Labour figures to claim Mr Salmond was contradicting himself.

    In May, he told Labour MSP Ken Macintosh the Scottish Government “would not seek an opt-out from European pensions regulations in an independent Scotland because one is not required or necessary”. He repeated the answer to Scots Tory leader Ruth Davidson."

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/salmond-accused-of-misleading-holyrood-over-pensions-1-3030768
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    tim said:

    tim said:

    tim said:

    Sun Politics tweets: YouGov/Sun poll tonight: Brits split evenly on whether the cuts are good or bad for the economy – 41% each. 1st time since December 2010.

    There haven't been any cuts
    You mean the two "too far too fast" Eds have been lying?

    Osborne tried to cut, but was incompetent.
    Stupidly cutting capital expenditure in 2010 cost a lot
    Since the two Eds supported Darlings capital spending plans - which were virtually identical to Osborne's, you argue that we should add "incompetent" to "deceitful" then...

    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451b31c69e2017c344b2cab970b-pi
    It's not Labours fault that Osborne chose to shift money from infrastructure to benefits spending
    The Capital spending plans were identical.

    "Now one could argue that the Labour Party's 2010 deficit reduction plan was deeply flawed, reliant as it was upon capital spending cuts, tax rises and over-optimism about growth. One could even attempt to argue that Darling's plan involved too much deficit reduction. But let's be clear: when Ed Balls says that cuts to "infrastructure spending" or "capital spending" or "government investment" have damaged growth, what he's saying is that the capital spending cuts which his government scheduled and for which he personally voted have damaged growth. He's not attacking Osborne's "Plan A". He's attacking Labour's Plan Darling - Plan D."

    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thecolumnists/2012/12/andrew-lilico-government-capital-spending-darling-vs-osborne.html
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    (Published on 9th February 1997):

    "THE CABINET OF TOMORROW?

    Within weeks a new generation of political hopefuls will be taking their first steps towards power. Which of them will make it to the top? Over the next five pages, we predict possible members of the Cabinet for the year 2020":


    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/the-cabinet-of-tomorrow-1277684.html
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    tim said:

    tim said:

    tim said:

    Sun Politics tweets: YouGov/Sun poll tonight: Brits split evenly on whether the cuts are good or bad for the economy – 41% each. 1st time since December 2010.

    There haven't been any cuts
    You mean the two "too far too fast" Eds have been lying?

    Osborne tried to cut, but was incompetent.
    Stupidly cutting capital expenditure in 2010 cost a lot
    Since the two Eds supported Darlings capital spending plans - which were virtually identical to Osborne's, you argue that we should add "incompetent" to "deceitful" then...

    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451b31c69e2017c344b2cab970b-pi
    It's not Labours fault that Osborne chose to shift money from infrastructure to benefits spending
    The Capital spending plans were identical.

    "Now one could argue that the Labour Party's 2010 deficit reduction plan was deeply flawed, reliant as it was upon capital spending cuts, tax rises and over-optimism about growth. One could even attempt to argue that Darling's plan involved too much deficit reduction. But let's be clear: when Ed Balls says that cuts to "infrastructure spending" or "capital spending" or "government investment" have damaged growth, what he's saying is that the capital spending cuts which his government scheduled and for which he personally voted have damaged growth. He's not attacking Osborne's "Plan A". He's attacking Labour's Plan Darling - Plan D."

    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thecolumnists/2012/12/andrew-lilico-government-capital-spending-darling-vs-osborne.html
    tim's argument is illogical even after the chimes of midnight have sounded.

    Is he suggesting that had capex not been cut, the increases in benefit spending would never have occurred?

  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    @Andy_JS Oh, for the Like button on that post! Very entertaining, thanks. If only they'd quoted odds as well...
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    13. Have we ever seen the Chancellor looking so jolly?

    "And what is more the current price is also above the 73.6 pence price paid for the shares by Brown and Darling in 2008. So any profit on sale would be a net cash inflow (debt reduction) in the National Accounts with all the implications that would have for borrowing reduction. "

    Thank God ! Darling nationalised Lloyds. It was done with a view that it will be sold as a profit !

    Your assumptions regarding debt, I think, are not entirely correct ! The investment in buying out LLoyds, RBS is not counted as a simple debt. It is accounted for separately. Therefore, the debt to GDP ratio as announced will not fall on its disposal. Of course, any profits will.



    Nah, Surby.

    I agree it is all very complicated in deciding which transactions are "temporary interventions" and which are included in the partial or 'ex' debt and borrowing figures. But that is the price we have to pay for Brownian obfuscation and desire to conceal the full extent of bank bailout liabilities from the public.

    However, a useful principle can be applied. Once a transaction takes place which completes the 'temporary' nature of the bailout the net resolution is entered into the partial or mainstream books. So a sale at book value has no net effect on completion, but a sale at a loss or profit will result in the net variance increasing or reducing the "ex" borrowing and debt figures.

    And when an elephant defecates in the street, credit should be given to the person who cleans up the mess, not the elephant for extruding moveable sh*t.

    As agreed by ONS, IMF and the Treasury etc. They could have changed the accounting treatment in the last 3 years. If they did, I must have missed that.

    Brown must have been very influential !

    The profit would have come eventually. Of course, Osborne chose to sell Northern Rock at a loss !
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,090
    @GeoffM

    It is an interesting read, I must say.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Thankfully, most of them have disappeared without trace!
    Andy_JS said:

    (Published on 9th February 1997):

    "THE CABINET OF TOMORROW?

    Within weeks a new generation of political hopefuls will be taking their first steps towards power. Which of them will make it to the top? Over the next five pages, we predict possible members of the Cabinet for the year 2020":


    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/the-cabinet-of-tomorrow-1277684.html

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Mr. Eagles, how come? Have zer Germans realised that you are at the heart of the resistance?!

    I've run out of pop references to put into nighthawks, so am going to recharge my batteries

    I'm going to Qatar for a few days, and well the last time I was there, the Great Qatari firewall deemed a politicalbetting.com a site associated with immoral infidels and access was restricted.
    They have an issue with robust political debate?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,820
    Politician Spotter: I met David Miliband at Central Park Zoo today. We chatted about the sealion show. I didn't mention making money off his brother's elevation.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    Last week I went to see Götterdämmerung at the Proms. It has just occurred to me that they referred to the tree as "Weltesche" (the World Ash) instead of referring to it by its name, Yggdrasil. I am therefore disappointed, traumatised and outraged. I demand compensation and I blame the Labour government.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Thankfully, most of them have disappeared without trace!

    Depends how we compare them to the people we got instead, I guess :)

    Meet the new boss
    Same as the old boss
  • surbiton said:

    I'm surprised an infidel such as yourself is permitted ingress to Qatar, Mr. Eagles.

    Nevertheless, I hope you have a nice time. The evenings won't be quite the same without Nighthawks.

    I suspect a nice time won't be had, according to the BBC website, the temperature in Doha will range from 38 to 40 degrees over the next four days.

    Which is a tad hotter compared to the Mancunian weather I've experienced today.
    38 to 40 is very reasonable in August ! Sometimes the Gulf and Saudi governments do not announce official temperature above 47deg because, wait a minute, they have "laws" about working outside in temperatures above 48 deg. As if the B*****ds care !
    I can't wait until they host the 2018 World Cup in this weather.

    When the cut flower centre was built in Dubai with silver foil on roof there was expectation that some workers would fry. They did, and after dissent work shifts had to be reduced to avoid more "accidental" deaths. Expendable workers from the sub continent.
    A white bloke on the roof would have lasted 10 mins max at a reflected temperature well above 50 degrees.

  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Latest YouGov / The Sun results 5th August - Con 34%, Lab 38%, LD 11%, UKIP 12%; APP -22
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    Anyone know what happened to 'hunchman' ? He's in pole position to steal my crown as worst tipster of the decade. Aftert tipping the stock market to collapse at 4500 he recently returned to tell us that it would happen on July 25th. I feel I should concede.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I thought it the most interesting series for ages, gripped from the beginning. SeanT is not the fount of all wisdom! Form your own opinion.
    GeoffM said:

    I'm seeing on Twitter that @thomasknox isn't really a fan of The Returned. The language isn't suitable for a family blog ;)

    I am irrationally grumpy now because I downloaded it after some positive reviews and it would have reached the top of the pile later this week. Who do I write to on the Internet to get my bandwidth back?

  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    YouGov

    Imagine the British government under David
    Cameron renegotiated our relationship with
    Europe and said that Britain's interests were
    now protected, and David Cameron
    recommended that Britain remain a member of
    the European Union on the new terms.
    How would you then vote in a referendum on the
    issue?
    Would vote for Britain to remain in the European
    Union on the new terms: 50(+2)
    Would vote for Britain to leave the European Union: 28(-3)

    Thinking about the way the government is
    cutting spending to reduce the government's
    deficit, do you think this is...
    Good or bad for the economy?

    Good: 21 (+2)
    Bad: 41(-3)

    Being done fairly or unfairly?
    Fairly: 30(0)
    Unfairly: 54(-1)

    Necessary: 58(+1)
    Unnecessary: 28(-1)

    Too deep: 39(-3)
    Too shallow: 16(+3)

    Too quickly: 39(-4)
    Too slowly: 16(+3)

    Having an impact on my life: 57(+2)
    Not having an impact: 31(-1)

    And who do you think is most to blame for the
    current spending cuts?
    The Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition; 24(-1)
    Last Labour Government: 36(0)
    Both: 27(-1)

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    So Labour's back down to 4pts and the balance is tipping in favour of HMG's actions by and large.

    Today Labour will attempt to stick the boot in re living standards - I'm not sure how effective this will be given we've been dragging ourselves out of the mess they made - but the polling will be interesting after a day or so of it.

    The blame for the cuts is remaining remarkably steady - and its still with Labour
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    YG

    Thinking about the next two or three years, how
    worried are you that people like you will...
    not have enough money to live comfortably

    Worried: 65(+1)
    Not worried: 31(-1)

    be victims of burglary, robbery or mugging:
    Worried: 40(-2)
    NW: 55(+2)

    suffer directly from cuts in spending on public
    services such as health, education and welfare
    Worried: 67(+2)
    NW: 31(+1)

    lose out because foreign factories and/or
    workers from abroad can do the same job more
    cheaply
    Worried: 50(+1)
    NW: 46(+1)

    lose their job / have difficulty finding work
    Worried: 57(0)
    NW: 38(+2)

    lose their home
    Worried: 42(+1)
    NW: 55(+3)

    suffer discrimination or unfair treatment by
    employers or landlords or local councils or
    public authorities
    Worried: 39(+2)
    NW: 56(0)

    suffer ill-health
    Worried: 54(+3)
    NW: 43(0)

  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Financier said:

    Latest YouGov / The Sun results 5th August - Con 34%, Lab 38%, LD 11%, UKIP 12%; APP -22

    Apart from the closer numbers between Tories and Labour, for me the interesting number is the contraction in the negative approval rating.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112

    Financier said:

    Latest YouGov / The Sun results 5th August - Con 34%, Lab 38%, LD 11%, UKIP 12%; APP -22

    Apart from the closer numbers between Tories and Labour, for me the interesting number is the contraction in the negative approval rating.
    Don't know where to find a list of previous approval numbers -- what is the magnitude of the change?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Priti has been doing some digging and this is the response

    "William Shawcross, chairman of the Charity Commission, made the remarks after it emerged that the number of executives drawing salaries of more than £100,000 at Britain’s 14 top overseas-aid charities had risen by nearly 60 per cent over the past three years. The charities in question make up the Disasters Emergency Committee (DEC), which co-ordinates relief efforts. around the world.

    They are Action Aid, Age International, British Red Cross, Cafod, Care International, Christian Aid, Concern Worldwide, Islamic Relief, Merlin, Oxfam, Plan UK, Save the Children, Tearfund and World Vision...

    “However, when many charities are experiencing shortfalls, trustees should consider whether very high salaries are really appropriate, and fair to both the donors and the taxpayers who fund charities. Disproportionate salaries risk bringing organisations and the wider charitable world into disrepute.” > http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article3835371.ece
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    Plato said:

    Priti has been doing some digging and this is the response

    "William Shawcross, chairman of the Charity Commission, made the remarks after it emerged that the number of executives drawing salaries of more than £100,000 at Britain’s 14 top overseas-aid charities had risen by nearly 60 per cent over the past three years. The charities in question make up the Disasters Emergency Committee (DEC), which co-ordinates relief efforts. around the world.

    They are Action Aid, Age International, British Red Cross, Cafod, Care International, Christian Aid, Concern Worldwide, Islamic Relief, Merlin, Oxfam, Plan UK, Save the Children, Tearfund and World Vision...

    “However, when many charities are experiencing shortfalls, trustees should consider whether very high salaries are really appropriate, and fair to both the donors and the taxpayers who fund charities. Disproportionate salaries risk bringing organisations and the wider charitable world into disrepute.” > http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article3835371.ece

    Mostly they are stuffed with ex/current politico snouts at the trough. time for a big clean up and clear out.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    felix said:

    Plato said:

    Priti has been doing some digging and this is the response

    "William Shawcross, chairman of the Charity Commission, made the remarks after it emerged that the number of executives drawing salaries of more than £100,000 at Britain’s 14 top overseas-aid charities had risen by nearly 60 per cent over the past three years. The charities in question make up the Disasters Emergency Committee (DEC), which co-ordinates relief efforts. around the world.

    They are Action Aid, Age International, British Red Cross, Cafod, Care International, Christian Aid, Concern Worldwide, Islamic Relief, Merlin, Oxfam, Plan UK, Save the Children, Tearfund and World Vision...

    “However, when many charities are experiencing shortfalls, trustees should consider whether very high salaries are really appropriate, and fair to both the donors and the taxpayers who fund charities. Disproportionate salaries risk bringing organisations and the wider charitable world into disrepute.” > http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article3835371.ece

    Mostly they are stuffed with ex/current politico snouts at the trough. time for a big clean up and clear out.

    I can't see any possible justification for the rises in these salaries - and these are precisely the sort of people who make snidey remarks about 'all in this together'. But they're doing it using others goodwill and donations.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    RobD said:

    Financier said:

    Latest YouGov / The Sun results 5th August - Con 34%, Lab 38%, LD 11%, UKIP 12%; APP -22

    Apart from the closer numbers between Tories and Labour, for me the interesting number is the contraction in the negative approval rating.
    Don't know where to find a list of previous approval numbers -- what is the magnitude of the change?
    I assume you can find them on the YouGov site. However until recently the ratings were consistently worse than -30 so a change in the order of +10 over the past few weeks.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    These poll numbers are becoming so encouraging I am almost wishing we had four year Parliaments.

    Almost.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    JohnO said:

    These poll numbers are becoming so encouraging I am almost wishing we had four year Parliaments.

    Almost.

    Well Dave thought he was being clever and has now boxed himself in. Of course your boy could do something dramatic and tell Cleggo to go to hell, but Dave is too tender hearted, even a small reshuffle gives him palpatations.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    .RT @PickardJE: Stamp duty: 86 percent of total is paid by London, SE, south-west and east. London 45 percent alone. ft.com/cms/s/0/f27b7d…
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    RobD said:

    Financier said:

    Latest YouGov / The Sun results 5th August - Con 34%, Lab 38%, LD 11%, UKIP 12%; APP -22

    Apart from the closer numbers between Tories and Labour, for me the interesting number is the contraction in the negative approval rating.
    Don't know where to find a list of previous approval numbers -- what is the magnitude of the change?
    Here:

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/gxsrtwev6p/YG-Archives-Pol-Trackers-Approval-050813.pdf

    Last time approval (total and net) was higher was March 2012

    In March 2013 net approval was -40 vs -22 today.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    The big cats in charities get big rises:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10224104/Exclusive-Aid-organisations-risk-bringing-charities-into-disrepute-over-pay-says-watchdog.html

    While the ordinary worker feels helpless and is now worse off says Labour.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23580075

    Not that it would be any better under them. Vote UKIP!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658
    MikeK said:

    JohnO said:

    These poll numbers are becoming so encouraging I am almost wishing we had four year Parliaments.

    Almost.

    Well Dave thought he was being clever and has now boxed himself in. Of course your boy could do something dramatic and tell Cleggo to go to hell, but Dave is too tender hearted, even a small reshuffle gives him palpatations.
    When Cameron eventually goes, what are you going to gripe about then ? Going for the man as a Blair impersonator ain't that clever when your own is Gerorge Formby lite, you're not really offering voters a choice.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724

    RobD said:

    Financier said:

    Latest YouGov / The Sun results 5th August - Con 34%, Lab 38%, LD 11%, UKIP 12%; APP -22

    Apart from the closer numbers between Tories and Labour, for me the interesting number is the contraction in the negative approval rating.
    Don't know where to find a list of previous approval numbers -- what is the magnitude of the change?
    Here:

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/gxsrtwev6p/YG-Archives-Pol-Trackers-Approval-050813.pdf

    Last time approval (total and net) was higher was March 2012

    In March 2013 net approval was -40 vs -22 today.
    Blimey - that's a big drop, thanks for the data - have tweeted it. If you have an account I'll credit you.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,845
    MikeK said:

    The big cats in charities get big rises:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10224104/Exclusive-Aid-organisations-risk-bringing-charities-into-disrepute-over-pay-says-watchdog.html

    While the ordinary worker feels helpless and is now worse off says Labour.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23580075

    Not that it would be any better under them. Vote UKIP!

    Why would UKIP be any better? Or are you dealing in religious fervour rather than hard facts?
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