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politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » NightHawks is now open

If you’re a lurker, and if like me, have politics Always on my mind or if you have a Burning Love for betting, why not delurk tonight. We don’t want a Little Less Conversation, we want more.

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  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    First!
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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    FPT: Mr. Firestopper, buying through Amazon is a good way to go :)

    Bah! Vanilla keeps logging me in and out.
  • FPT: Mr. Firestopper, buying through Amazon is a good way to go :)

    Bah! Vanilla keeps logging me in and out.

    I'm experiencing that issue.

    I press the refresh button, and it logs me out, I press refresh again and it logs me back in.

    Bizarre.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Thanks for NightHawks as always TSE and your linking style is excellent - but 13 out of 21 links going to lefty sources ... ho hum.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,259
    edited August 2013
    GeoffM said:

    Thanks for NightHawks as always TSE and your linking style is excellent - but 13 out of 21 links going to lefty sources ... ho hum.

    I just go where my interest is piqued.

    edit: this is going to be the last nighthawks for a week.
  • FPT: Mr. Firestopper, buying through Amazon is a good way to go :)

    Bah! Vanilla keeps logging me in and out.

    I'm experiencing that issue.

    I press the refresh button, and it logs me out, I press refresh again and it logs me back in.

    Bizarre.
    I blame tim :)
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    A gambit involves a sacrifice, dammit.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,845
    Vanilla logging me out randomly under Chrome on a PC.

    Anyway, modern tech can be alarming. I read a newsflash on the BBC that a BA flight was returning to London, and I go to my favourite flight source to find a thread. This links to another site that has a flight trace that shows it returning to Heathrow.

    In real time.

    Amazing (and also quite alarming) stuff. Hope everyone's okay.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. Eagles, how come? Have zer Germans realised that you are at the heart of the resistance?!
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    edited August 2013
    If Labour can come up with a plan for party funding that the public would actually accept, and that would reduce the 'stink' of rich backers (whether individuals or unions), then it could be a major plank of their 2015 campaign. The problem just comes in finding one, but the Tories simply aren't in the game.


    [Edit: FTR, Vanilla keeps logging me out to. But it is a professional hazard for me anyway.]
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,259
    edited August 2013

    Mr. Eagles, how come? Have zer Germans realised that you are at the heart of the resistance?!

    I've run out of pop references to put into nighthawks, so am going to recharge my batteries

    I'm going to Qatar for a few days, and well the last time I was there, the Great Qatari firewall deemed a politicalbetting.com a site associated with immoral infidels and access was restricted.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    I'm surprised an infidel such as yourself is permitted ingress to Qatar, Mr. Eagles.

    Nevertheless, I hope you have a nice time. The evenings won't be quite the same without Nighthawks.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,110
    GeoffM said:

    Thanks for NightHawks as always TSE and your linking style is excellent - but 13 out of 21 links going to lefty sources ... ho hum.

    Wasn't TSE criticised a few weeks ago for posting too many left-bashing links? Can't please everyone it seems!

    Kudos to TSE for spending the time gathering them together, they are usually quite interesting.
  • RobD said:

    GeoffM said:

    Thanks for NightHawks as always TSE and your linking style is excellent - but 13 out of 21 links going to lefty sources ... ho hum.

    Wasn't TSE criticised a few weeks ago for posting too many left-bashing links? Can't please everyone it seems!

    Kudos to TSE for spending the time gathering them together, they are usually quite interesting.
    Yes, I was criticised for concentrating upon Falkirk and Unite before Ed made it a big deal.
  • I'm surprised an infidel such as yourself is permitted ingress to Qatar, Mr. Eagles.

    Nevertheless, I hope you have a nice time. The evenings won't be quite the same without Nighthawks.

    I suspect a nice time won't be had, according to the BBC website, the temperature in Doha will range from 38 to 40 degrees over the next four days.

    Which is a tad hotter compared to the Mancunian weather I've experienced today.
  • FPT: Mr. Firestopper, buying through Amazon is a good way to go :)

    Bah! Vanilla keeps logging me in and out.

    Purchased, Morris. Any other recommendations? What about A Game Of Thrones, or anything Viking related?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    I'm surprised an infidel such as yourself is permitted ingress to Qatar, Mr. Eagles.

    Nevertheless, I hope you have a nice time. The evenings won't be quite the same without Nighthawks.

    I suspect a nice time won't be had, according to the BBC website, the temperature in Doha will range from 38 to 40 degrees over the next four days.

    Which is a tad hotter compared to the Mancunian weather I've experienced today.
    38 to 40 is very reasonable in August ! Sometimes the Gulf and Saudi governments do not announce official temperature above 47deg because, wait a minute, they have "laws" about working outside in temperatures above 48 deg. As if the B*****ds care !
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,191
    Ronaldo has completed a new and improved contract with Real. This the day after United were supposedly in "advanced discussions" with him. Fabregas looks as far away as ever. As far away as Moyes looks from being an adequate replacement for SAF. The way United have conducted themselves during this close season fills me with apprehension.
  • Good moaning! I brung you a massage: The Scrooming Ogles is travelling to the Muddle East and won't be ooble to send us Nithawks for the next wok!
  • Max_EdinburghMax_Edinburgh Posts: 347
    edited August 2013


    I've run out of pop references to put into nighthawks, so am going to recharge my batteries

    I'm going to Qatar for a few days, and well the last time I was there, the Great Qatari firewall deemed a politicalbetting.com a site associated with immoral infidels and access was restricted.

    I can happily report that PB was available all throughout last year when I was living in Doha!

    Not sure it would be my first choice for a relaxing break but the famous Middle Eastern brunch is fun! Not a great deal in terms of tourist attractions although the Museum of Islamic Art is worth a visit.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Journey to Altmortis is well-rated :p

    On a more objective note, A Song of Ice and Fire (the name of the series which starts with Game of Thrones) is bloody excellent. The first 3-4 (one is split into two for paperback, I think) are staggeringly good.

    Have you anything by Abercrombie or Lynch? Or read any of the Riyria Revelations?

    In the independent/self-publisher/very inexpensive realm there's also The Master of Izindi, which has an Arabian Nights sort of feel, or Daimones, which is an apocalypse sci-fi story (first part of a trilogy).

    On Vikings, the only relevant book I think I've read is the Unofficial Viking Manual, which is an enjoyable, light-hearted history (but that may not be what you're after).
  • surbiton said:

    I'm surprised an infidel such as yourself is permitted ingress to Qatar, Mr. Eagles.

    Nevertheless, I hope you have a nice time. The evenings won't be quite the same without Nighthawks.

    I suspect a nice time won't be had, according to the BBC website, the temperature in Doha will range from 38 to 40 degrees over the next four days.

    Which is a tad hotter compared to the Mancunian weather I've experienced today.
    38 to 40 is very reasonable in August ! Sometimes the Gulf and Saudi governments do not announce official temperature above 47deg because, wait a minute, they have "laws" about working outside in temperatures above 48 deg. As if the B*****ds care !
    I can't wait until they host the 2018 World Cup in this weather.

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited August 2013
    13. Have we ever seen the Chancellor looking so jolly?

    Well, it can't just be the CBI/EEF upgraded growth forecasts for 2013 and 2014. The revised figure of 1.1% growth for 2013 is still far too low.

    Nor is it poking Labour in the eye with the Messalina appointment.

    Today's news, via the FT, that Lloyds Banking Group are planning to pay up to 70% of 2013-15 profits in dividends to shareholders is enough to make George more than laugh. As Pork might observe, the Chancellor is now *crying with laughter*.

    Lloyds have not paid a dividend since the Darling bailout in 2008. The bailout terms even precluded payments without prior Treasury consent. All profit ('owned' of course by shareholders) was to be retained as reserves and used to bolster capital buffers and provide against impaired assets without requiring further injection of funds from us poor taxpayers.

    So the movement to pay dividends tells us two important things about Lloyds's balance sheet. Firstly, the group is now adequately capitalised and, secondly, the fundamental operating metrics are now showing a healthy and normal bank.

    But this is not the tickler that has brought on George's collapse into porcine mirth. What has done that is the impetus the dividend 'announcement' has given to the market price of Lloyds's shares, up 3.5% on the market opening to 76.3 pence, over 15 pence above the 'breakeven' price announced by George as the level the bankshares must reach before the government are prepared to sell.

    And what is more, the current price is also above the 73.6 pence price paid for the shares by Brown and Darling in 2008. So any profit on sale would be a net cash inflow (debt reduction) in the National Accounts with all the implications that would have for borrowing reduction.

    Enough to get George to tickle Pork's tummy.

    And to show just how unexpected this news is, the consensus forecast dividends for Lloyds in 2013 and 2014 were until today 2.32% and 34% respectively. And the bulk of analysts were rating Lloyds a buy on that basis. If Horta-Osorio delivers, Lloyds will outperform all its competitors in its generosity to shareholders.

    This now makes a successful and profitable sale of the 39% of Lloyds's shares held by the government by 2015 very probable. It also relieves pressure on the Treasury to sell if market prices fall, Osborne will after all get a 70% of the banking groups profits.

    George is quite simply as jolly as a pig in clover.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Are the entire Labour front bench on zero hours contracts?

    Is there anybody, out there...?
  • I've run out of pop references to put into nighthawks, so am going to recharge my batteries

    I'm going to Qatar for a few days, and well the last time I was there, the Great Qatari firewall deemed a politicalbetting.com a site associated with immoral infidels and access was restricted.

    I can happily report that PB was available all throughout last year when I was living in Doha!

    Not sure it would be my first choice for a relaxing break but the famous Middle Eastern brunch is fun! Not a great deal in terms of tourist attractions although the Museum of Islamic Art is worth a visit.



    This isn't a relaxing break, but work.

    Last time I was there it was the hotel wifi that blocked me, but could access PB via my phone, but the data costs overseas are obscene.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Grargh. Can't edit my post.

    Forgot to say thanks for buying, Mr. Firestopper. I hope you like it.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    RobD said:

    Wasn't TSE criticised a few weeks ago for posting too many left-bashing links? Can't please everyone it seems!.

    Ah, I see the need for an irony symbol on PB ... I was actually referencing that very criticism!

    TSE did a trawl back at the time to show that complaint was demonstrably false. I was deliberately picking at the same scab but unfortunately Vanilla won't let you tag your own posts as Troll ;)

  • surbiton said:

    I'm surprised an infidel such as yourself is permitted ingress to Qatar, Mr. Eagles.

    Nevertheless, I hope you have a nice time. The evenings won't be quite the same without Nighthawks.

    I suspect a nice time won't be had, according to the BBC website, the temperature in Doha will range from 38 to 40 degrees over the next four days.

    Which is a tad hotter compared to the Mancunian weather I've experienced today.
    38 to 40 is very reasonable in August ! Sometimes the Gulf and Saudi governments do not announce official temperature above 47deg because, wait a minute, they have "laws" about working outside in temperatures above 48 deg. As if the B*****ds care !
    That's very true. I remember that there was an electronic sign up next to one of the roads that showed a reading in excess of 50. The next day the local media loyally reported that the sign must have been faulty.

    Mind you in Qatar it was the humidity that was the real killer. It's quite nice November to February but it's hell the rest of the year!
  • GeoffM said:

    RobD said:

    Wasn't TSE criticised a few weeks ago for posting too many left-bashing links? Can't please everyone it seems!.

    Ah, I see the need for an irony symbol on PB ... I was actually referencing that very criticism!

    TSE did a trawl back at the time to show that complaint was demonstrably false. I was deliberately picking at the same scab but unfortunately Vanilla won't let you tag your own posts as Troll ;)

    Editing PB I have been accused at various stages of being

    1) A Labour stooge
    2) An Islamophobe/racist
    3) a deluded Lib Dem

    And most hurtful of all

    4) Having the worst taste in music in the history of mankind.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. Eagles, ironically you missed off having an appalling grasp of history :p

    Anyway, as Caesar ran away after somehow getting veteran legions to lose to the newly raised men fighting for Pompey at Dyrrachium, so I must run off for some supper. Night all.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071


    Editing PB I have been accused at various stages of being
    .....
    4) Having the worst taste in music in the history of mankind.

    1-3 are clearly utterly ridiculous. But...
  • I've run out of pop references to put into nighthawks, so am going to recharge my batteries

    I'm going to Qatar for a few days, and well the last time I was there, the Great Qatari firewall deemed a politicalbetting.com a site associated with immoral infidels and access was restricted.
    I can happily report that PB was available all throughout last year when I was living in Doha!

    Not sure it would be my first choice for a relaxing break but the famous Middle Eastern brunch is fun! Not a great deal in terms of tourist attractions although the Museum of Islamic Art is worth a visit.



    This isn't a relaxing break, but work.

    Last time I was there it was the hotel wifi that blocked me, but could access PB via my phone, but the data costs overseas are obscene.



    That makes more sense! I hope your getting put up somewhere decent. There's a few decent places in West Bay, The Intercon would be top of my list!
  • In Tomorrow's Times, Rachel Sylvester compares Dave to a Time Lord

    Prime ministers are like Time Lords — they need to regenerate regularly to retain their appeal. Like Doctor Who, David Cameron has been through several incarnations, putting on his cricket whites to join the Bullingdon Club, wrapping a long scarf around his neck when hugging huskies, wielding his sonic screwdriver as he entered the global race. There has been the optimistic advocate of general wellbeing and the dark Doctor for difficult times.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Swift. Decisive.
    Ed Miliband is in the south of France while the Prime Minister is back at work and the Conservatives are building up their campaign team, recruiting Jim Messina who used to work for Barack Obama.

    Meanwhile, Labour does not even have an election campaign coordinator in post.

    That is because Miliband can’t decide whom to appoint
    http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2013/08/05/decided-to-be-undecided/

    Titter ye not...
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Amusingly Scott - possibly the person who least understands elections on this site - is posting things he doesn't understand.

    How does it feel when you call election results so wrong Scott.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AveryLP said:

    13. Have we ever seen the Chancellor looking so jolly?

    blockquote>

    "And what is more the current price is also above the 73.6 pence price paid for the shares by Brown and Darling in 2008. So any profit on sale would be a net cash inflow (debt reduction) in the National Accounts with all the implications that would have for borrowing reduction. "

    Thank God ! Darling nationalised Lloyds. It was done with a view that it will be sold as a profit !

    Your assumptions regarding debt, I think, are not entirely correct ! The investment in buying out LLoyds, RBS is not counted as a simple debt. It is accounted for separately. Therefore, the debt to GDP ratio as announced will not fall on its disposal. Of course, any profits will.

  • JamesMJamesM Posts: 221
    Just a brief message to thank everyone for their book suggestions. I am going to look through them and pick out options for my summer holiday.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Ios,can you tell me if jim messina good at the ground war ;-)
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    IOS said:

    Amusingly Scott - possibly the person who least understands elections on this site - is posting things he doesn't understand.

    How does it feel when you call election results so wrong Scott.

    IOS.. Is tim on holiday?? Why are you deputising for him?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ToryTreasury
    So much for Labours big summer push. Shad Cab invisible. No Miliband, no Balls, no Chuka. No press conf. Its the Marie Celeste of relaunches
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges
    A car draws up alongside Ed Miliband. A door opens. @OwenJones84 is inside. http://tinyurl.com/onjhoch
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Tyke

    It's a complex signing. You can't really distill it into good or bad so simply. On the one hand it shows the Tories realise that that is how you win elections. NOT on twitter or blogs (Scott take note) but if they realise that I am not sure what they are going to achieve in the next 20 months.

    I think the million could possibly be better spent elsewhere given the time limits.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited August 2013
    surbiton said:

    AveryLP said:

    13. Have we ever seen the Chancellor looking so jolly?



    "And what is more the current price is also above the 73.6 pence price paid for the shares by Brown and Darling in 2008. So any profit on sale would be a net cash inflow (debt reduction) in the National Accounts with all the implications that would have for borrowing reduction. "

    Thank God ! Darling nationalised Lloyds. It was done with a view that it will be sold as a profit !

    Your assumptions regarding debt, I think, are not entirely correct ! The investment in buying out LLoyds, RBS is not counted as a simple debt. It is accounted for separately. Therefore, the debt to GDP ratio as announced will not fall on its disposal. Of course, any profits will.
    Nah, Surby.

    I agree it is all very complicated in deciding which transactions are "temporary interventions" and which are included in the partial or 'ex' debt and borrowing figures. But that is the price we have to pay for Brownian obfuscation and desire to conceal the full extent of bank bailout liabilities from the public.

    However, a useful principle can be applied. Once a transaction takes place which completes the 'temporary' nature of the bailout the net resolution is entered into the partial or mainstream books. So a sale at book value has no net effect on completion, but a sale at a loss or profit will result in the net variance increasing or reducing the "ex" borrowing and debt figures.

    And when an elephant defecates in the street, credit should be given to the person who cleans up the mess, not the elephant for extruding moveable sh*t.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    I'm surprised an infidel such as yourself is permitted ingress to Qatar, Mr. Eagles.

    Nevertheless, I hope you have a nice time. The evenings won't be quite the same without Nighthawks.

    I suspect a nice time won't be had, according to the BBC website, the temperature in Doha will range from 38 to 40 degrees over the next four days.

    Which is a tad hotter compared to the Mancunian weather I've experienced today.
    38 to 40 is very reasonable in August ! Sometimes the Gulf and Saudi governments do not announce official temperature above 47deg because, wait a minute, they have "laws" about working outside in temperatures above 48 deg. As if the B*****ds care !
    I can't wait until they host the 2018 World Cup in this weather.

    Sustainable eco-development ! Air con an entire stadium. Well , if you can have artificial ski slopes in Dubai, why not Stadia ? Or, if you can dump millions of tons of sand and rock and create Palm Islands for celebs to flock around when there is a million square miles behind you totally empty, why not ?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited August 2013
    AveryLP said:

    13. Have we ever seen the Chancellor looking so jolly?

    "And what is more the current price is also above the 73.6 pence price paid for the shares by Brown and Darling in 2008. So any profit on sale would be a net cash inflow (debt reduction) in the National Accounts with all the implications that would have for borrowing reduction. "

    Thank God ! Darling nationalised Lloyds. It was done with a view that it will be sold as a profit !

    Your assumptions regarding debt, I think, are not entirely correct ! The investment in buying out LLoyds, RBS is not counted as a simple debt. It is accounted for separately. Therefore, the debt to GDP ratio as announced will not fall on its disposal. Of course, any profits will.



    Nah, Surby.

    I agree it is all very complicated in deciding which transactions are "temporary interventions" and which are included in the partial or 'ex' debt and borrowing figures. But that is the price we have to pay for Brownian obfuscation and desire to conceal the full extent of bank bailout liabilities from the public.

    However, a useful principle can be applied. Once a transaction takes place which completes the 'temporary' nature of the bailout the net resolution is entered into the partial or mainstream books. So a sale at book value has no net effect on completion, but a sale at a loss or profit will result in the net variance increasing or reducing the "ex" borrowing and debt figures.

    And when an elephant defecates in the street, credit should be given to the person who cleans up the mess, not the elephant for extruding moveable sh*t.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    IOS said:

    that is how you win elections. NOT on twitter or blogs

    Shhh, don't tell the guy who posts here 18 hours a day 7 days a week...
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Ed Balls is a Labour Co-Op MP, would he like to ask why The Co-Op is using zero hours job schemes.

    http://www.reed.co.uk/jobs/flexible-funeral-service-operative-zero-hour-contract/23386028

    'Zero hour' contracts 'suit employees and business'

    David Collingwood, of The Co-operative Funeralcare told ITV News around 20 percent of the company's employees work on 'zero-hour' contracts. He says the contracts suit both the employees and the needs of the business.

    11:35 PM, TUE 02 APR 2013

    This 'issue' or cause of the week goes back a little bit...
  • surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    I'm surprised an infidel such as yourself is permitted ingress to Qatar, Mr. Eagles.

    Nevertheless, I hope you have a nice time. The evenings won't be quite the same without Nighthawks.

    I suspect a nice time won't be had, according to the BBC website, the temperature in Doha will range from 38 to 40 degrees over the next four days.

    Which is a tad hotter compared to the Mancunian weather I've experienced today.
    38 to 40 is very reasonable in August ! Sometimes the Gulf and Saudi governments do not announce official temperature above 47deg because, wait a minute, they have "laws" about working outside in temperatures above 48 deg. As if the B*****ds care !
    I can't wait until they host the 2018 World Cup in this weather.

    Sustainable eco-development ! Air con an entire stadium. Well , if you can have artificial ski slopes in Dubai, why not Stadia ? Or, if you can dump millions of tons of sand and rock and create Palm Islands for celebs to flock around when there is a million square miles behind you totally empty, why not ?
    Anything is possible these days.

    And yeah I meant the 2022 World Cup
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    I don't think that Tim thinks he is changing the electoral outcome Scott. I think he enjoys showing up people like yourself who aren't as smart as you think.

    But I do sometimes wonder whether people like yourself ever look back and think God I waste my time sometimes.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    IOS said:

    ever look back and think God I waste my time sometimes.

    No, I don't support Ed Miliband. Never have, never will, even though he did win me loads of cash when the Unions stitched up his leadership bid.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    I don't understand your point Scott. You have amassed 905 posts. Just wondering what you think you have achieved with this investment?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    IOS said:

    I don't understand your point Scott.

    What a surprise.
  • surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    I'm surprised an infidel such as yourself is permitted ingress to Qatar, Mr. Eagles.

    Nevertheless, I hope you have a nice time. The evenings won't be quite the same without Nighthawks.

    I suspect a nice time won't be had, according to the BBC website, the temperature in Doha will range from 38 to 40 degrees over the next four days.

    Which is a tad hotter compared to the Mancunian weather I've experienced today.
    38 to 40 is very reasonable in August ! Sometimes the Gulf and Saudi governments do not announce official temperature above 47deg because, wait a minute, they have "laws" about working outside in temperatures above 48 deg. As if the B*****ds care !
    I can't wait until they host the 2018 World Cup in this weather.

    Sustainable eco-development ! Air con an entire stadium. Well , if you can have artificial ski slopes in Dubai, why not Stadia ? Or, if you can dump millions of tons of sand and rock and create Palm Islands for celebs to flock around when there is a million square miles behind you totally empty, why not ?
    As I understand it they'll give away most of the stadiums to other countries after the World Cup so at least there'll be a bit of a legacy.It is reckoned with air con you could bring the temperature down from 50 to 25 degrees so it is doable. Generally with the World Cup I just think the combination of the heat, European fans, drinking zones and a fairly conservative Gulf state could be pretty disastrous!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,423
    1. Tories must be wary of Ed Miliband’s cost of living gambit

    This is doomed to fail at the first hurdle, IMO, because it starts with the premise that the economy is recovering, but not everyone is feeling the recovery - However, the crucial admission is that the economy IS recovering after Labour staked everything on there being recovery.

    Labour's econimic credability is in ruins after the Brown Bust. Their economic strategy is now in ruins because recovery (however slow and thin currently) is occurring. Swingback is taking place. Ed Miliband is VERY poorly viewed by the GBP and the time to turn around those perceptions has long since passed.

    Honestly, it's terrible times for Labour and can only get worse.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    And is that a response? That reminds me of a teenager responding to a point when they can't think of anything intelligible to say.

    But I will ask again. As you had a pop at Tim. What have you achieved with your 906 posts. And do you wish you could have the time back?
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited August 2013
    IOS said:

    I don't think that Tim thinks he is changing the electoral outcome Scott. I think he enjoys showing up people like yourself who aren't as smart as you think.

    A very natural human instinct, if perhaps a failing sometimes. I myself have to admit to a certain satisfaction in catching tim out on Osborne's non-existent apology to Darling, the number of free schools, the fact that Cameron meant what he said on the EPP, and (best of all, since it's his specialist subject), his howler on 'non-vintage Dom Pérignon'.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited August 2013
    Scott_P said:

    IOS said:

    that is how you win elections. NOT on twitter or blogs

    Shhh, don't tell the guy who posts here 18 hours a day 7 days a week...
    Scott

    tim is on a walking holiday in Cornwall. It was a last-minute decision after a Daily Mail travel writer claimed it was the fashionable place to be this year.

    He is wandering country lanes and coastal harbours searching for Labour voters.

    He promised to post on PB every time he made a hit, but it appears something has gone wrong with the ground war algorithms.

  • surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    I'm surprised an infidel such as yourself is permitted ingress to Qatar, Mr. Eagles.

    Nevertheless, I hope you have a nice time. The evenings won't be quite the same without Nighthawks.

    I suspect a nice time won't be had, according to the BBC website, the temperature in Doha will range from 38 to 40 degrees over the next four days.

    Which is a tad hotter compared to the Mancunian weather I've experienced today.
    38 to 40 is very reasonable in August ! Sometimes the Gulf and Saudi governments do not announce official temperature above 47deg because, wait a minute, they have "laws" about working outside in temperatures above 48 deg. As if the B*****ds care !
    I can't wait until they host the 2018 World Cup in this weather.

    Sustainable eco-development ! Air con an entire stadium. Well , if you can have artificial ski slopes in Dubai, why not Stadia ? Or, if you can dump millions of tons of sand and rock and create Palm Islands for celebs to flock around when there is a million square miles behind you totally empty, why not ?
    As I understand it they'll give away most of the stadiums to other countries after the World Cup so at least there'll be a bit of a legacy.It is reckoned with air con you could bring the temperature down from 50 to 25 degrees so it is doable. Generally with the World Cup I just think the combination of the heat, European fans, drinking zones and a fairly conservative Gulf state could be pretty disastrous!
    Isn't the bigger logistical problem with a Qatar World Cup is that it is being held in a country the size of Birmingham.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    AveryLP said:


    tim is on a walking holiday in Cornwall.

    Did he have to forego toothpaste to afford the bus fare to get there?
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Richard

    But neither you or Tim would expect to think you were actually changing anything in the real world of politics on here.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    IOS said:

    you had a pop at Tim.

    Er, you were the one who claimed posting on blogs was a pointless waste of time, not me...
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    IOS said:

    I don't think that Tim thinks he is changing the electoral outcome Scott. I think he enjoys showing up people like yourself who aren't as smart as you think.

    ... his howler on 'non-vintage Dom Pérignon'.
    Didn't Ian Fleming make a similar mistake, claiming James Bond drunk a vintage which predated the launch by Moët of Dom Pérignon as a premium brand?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    IOS said:

    And is that a response? That reminds me of a teenager responding to a point when they can't think of anything intelligible to say.

    But I will ask again. As you had a pop at Tim. What have you achieved with your 906 posts. And do you wish you could have the time back?


    IOS could you do me a favour please . Could you mention the ground game or ground war, doesn't matter which, my bingo card is almost complete and I am tired and want to go to bed.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    .@ChrisLeslieMP tells #newsnight David Cameron "has the worst record of any Prime Minister...since records began" on real wages

    Tory Treasury @ToryTreasury

    Lab created the living standards squeeze hardworking people face & they wd be worse under Lab - wd pay for more borrowing with higher bills

  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Scott

    Is that a tacit admittance that you DO think you are having an impact. Extraordinary. I never said I thought they were a waste of time - I am after all posting here now - just that they don't have any impact on the wider world.

    But given that you think it does have an impact. If you realised it didn't achieve anything. Would you rather have the time back?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Scott_P said:

    AveryLP said:


    tim is on a walking holiday in Cornwall.

    Did he have to forego toothpaste to afford the bus fare to get there?
    No, he nipped over to Crosby and 'borrowed' Sir Roderick's bus pass.

    Sir Roderick was too engaged in internet dating to notice.
  • surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    I'm surprised an infidel such as yourself is permitted ingress to Qatar, Mr. Eagles.

    Nevertheless, I hope you have a nice time. The evenings won't be quite the same without Nighthawks.

    I suspect a nice time won't be had, according to the BBC website, the temperature in Doha will range from 38 to 40 degrees over the next four days.

    Which is a tad hotter compared to the Mancunian weather I've experienced today.
    38 to 40 is very reasonable in August ! Sometimes the Gulf and Saudi governments do not announce official temperature above 47deg because, wait a minute, they have "laws" about working outside in temperatures above 48 deg. As if the B*****ds care !
    I can't wait until they host the 2018 World Cup in this weather.

    Sustainable eco-development ! Air con an entire stadium. Well , if you can have artificial ski slopes in Dubai, why not Stadia ? Or, if you can dump millions of tons of sand and rock and create Palm Islands for celebs to flock around when there is a million square miles behind you totally empty, why not ?
    As I understand it they'll give away most of the stadiums to other countries after the World Cup so at least there'll be a bit of a legacy.It is reckoned with air con you could bring the temperature down from 50 to 25 degrees so it is doable. Generally with the World Cup I just think the combination of the heat, European fans, drinking zones and a fairly conservative Gulf state could be pretty disastrous!
    Isn't the bigger logistical problem with a Qatar World Cup is that it is being held in a country the size of Birmingham.
    Size isn't everthing TSE! In terms of logistics any problem they have they can just throw money at till it disapears. The amount currently being spent on transport infrastructure and accomodation is incredible. I reckon if I was to go it would be better to be based in Dubai or Oman and just fly in for matches though.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453


    .@ChrisLeslieMP tells #newsnight

    Yes, Chris drew the short straw on the day the highest combined PMI figures since records began were announced...

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/44c77ec6-fb97-11e2-8650-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz2b8NvextV
    slight signs of green shoots in the economy have only added to the sense of unease in the opposition party.

    “There’s a lot of nervousness around about the economy,” says one front bench Labour MP. “There are concerns about whether we’ll have to shift our narrative if things continue to pick up, and refocus on issues like fairness rather than economic despondency.”
    Mayday, mayday, man drowning on live TV...
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    SquareRoot

    If you derive your fun in life from my postings and even deprive yourself of precious sleep for my comments can I suggest you reappraise your life a little.
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413

    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    .@ChrisLeslieMP tells #newsnight David Cameron "has the worst record of any Prime Minister...since records began" on real wages

    Labour's flip-flopping around to try to find an economic argument which might stick is hilarious.

    I'm happy to give them a tip, gratis, free, and without strings, since I know they won't follow it: it's best to check whether the argument stacks up before running it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,089
    The "Postman Scam" from the Real Hustle team:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuEQcOk2eOI&amp
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Richard

    Have you seen Ashcrofts and Tim M's campaign for the membership figures to be released? I seem to remember you are a constituency chairman. If so do you think it would be that hard to get them together?
  • yes, posting is a waste of time. You never learn. After a year you still don't know basic facts I tried to teach you:

    Erdington wasn't an AWS
    who are your MEPs
    the difference between being a Unite candidate and being a member of Unite in a Labour parliamentary selection
    the 2 surnames of Emma from South Shields

    D...I can't give you more than D. You're worse than Welsh students.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Ed solves the dilemma of who to appoint as election coordinator in response to the Tories latest hire.

    Swift. Decisive.

    @LabourStudents
    Check out this great opportunity to work for the Labour Party as a trainee organiser on the 2015 general election! http://www.labour.org.uk/new_job
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    IOS said:

    SquareRoot

    If you derive your fun in life from my postings and even deprive yourself of precious sleep for my comments can I suggest you reappraise your life a little.

    Oh I don't derive any fun from it, you are as predictable as you are repetitive, without an original thought, and are channelling tim in his absence. There was a touch of sarcasm about the ground war, you know you want to tell us how the Tories will lose because of the ground war.. Its what your purpose in life was designed for..
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    .@ChrisLeslieMP tells #newsnight David Cameron "has the worst record of any Prime Minister...since records began" on real wages

    Labour's flip-flopping around to try to find an economic argument which might stick is hilarious.

    I'm happy to give them a tip, gratis, free, and without strings, since I know they won't follow it: it's best to check whether the argument stacks up before running it.
    Well quite; saying that the last three years have been grim makes Osborne's point for him: we knew austerity would be grim, we explicitly told you so, and we said we would come out the other side, and we have. It's beside the point that neither of those claims is necessarily true.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    IOS said:

    Would you rather have the time back?

    I desperately, desperately want back the time I wasted replying to you this evening.

    Happy now?
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Scott

    Seriously do you even know what you are posting about. Do you also follow Labour students on Twitter?

    I do ask you what do you think you achieve with this and do you think there will ever be a time in life when you wish you could ask for the time back?
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited August 2013
    IOS said:

    Richard

    Have you seen Ashcrofts and Tim M's campaign for the membership figures to be released? I seem to remember you are a constituency chairman. If so do you think it would be that hard to get them together?

    Nope, I'm nothing like as distinguished as a constituency chairman, unlike David Herdson.

    The only membership figure I know is that for a critical seat, won in 2010, where in recent years the party has had very little organisation. There has been a very big improvement there since 2010. Obviously national figures matter, but, as with voting figures, it's marginal seats where it really makes a difference. I don't know whether the seat I was told about is an exception, though.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    SquareRoot

    Given the Tories saw fit to spend a million quid on one person you can conclude that they see it both as being important and that they need significant help.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited August 2013
    @IOS

    Forget the Tory membership numbers, I will start the campaign to see the figures of your MEP votes. I got 2 predictions wrong and I want to see how much I was off....

    Buried at the bottom of a press release, the (low) turnout has been already announced. Yes, in regions with a single ballot, some women and men went up and down regardless of their vote to fill the zipped list creteria.....but they are likely to be in unwinnable position anyway. So there shouldn't be anything else embarrassing to hide
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    IOS said:

    SquareRoot

    Given the Tories saw fit to spend a million quid on one person you can conclude that they see it both as being important and that they need significant help.

    Aaah we are getting there, so Messina is a sign of the Tories in trouble, its only one step away to clarify what that trouble is, its the ground game, come on, you have bored us to death with it before, you know you want to say it, resistance is futile, just say it, you know you want to..
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    I'm seeing on Twitter that @thomasknox isn't really a fan of The Returned. The language isn't suitable for a family blog ;)

    I am irrationally grumpy now because I downloaded it after some positive reviews and it would have reached the top of the pile later this week. Who do I write to on the Internet to get my bandwidth back?
  • tim said:

    Scott_P said:

    AveryLP said:


    tim is on a walking holiday in Cornwall.

    Did he have to forego toothpaste to afford the bus fare to get there?
    Being referenced by the only man on the planet to get election results more wrong than the awesome fitalass.
    Cutting stuff from Scott there
    Welcome back, tim! Congrats on your 7,475th post!
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    As I understand it Avery there was a permanent accounting charge (of the border of billions, but only a fraction of the total buy-in to Lloyds and RBS) that the government took, which I think was the premium between the cost it paid over the book value of the shares when it decided to buy them.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited August 2013
    tim said:

    IOS said:

    I don't think that Tim thinks he is changing the electoral outcome Scott. I think he enjoys showing up people like yourself who aren't as smart as you think.

    A very natural human instinct, if perhaps a failing sometimes. I myself have to admit to a certain satisfaction in catching tim out on Osborne's non-existent apology to Darling, the number of free schools, the fact that Cameron meant what he said on the EPP, and (best of all, since it's his specialist subject), his howler on 'non-vintage Dom Pérignon'.

    All fair points Richard.
    But remember you get elections wrong and I get them right, and you believed Osbornes 2010 fantasy growth forecasts
    You may have a case on election outcomes, but everyone believed George's 2010 growth forecasts, including the OECD, IMF and most member countries who made similar over-optimistic post recession growth forecasts.

    What George and everyone else didn't anticipate was the market attacks on unsustainable debt and deficit levels in the Eurozone, and on market exposure to the lack of EU/ECB control over sovereign risk.

    It was this market pressure which flushed out the Eurozone crisis and led to EU growth plummeting as corrective austerity measures were implemented and the EU/ECB fiddled while Athens burned.

    And the EU problems then had a knock on effect on global growth.

    At least Osborne made the right decisions on the start date and rate of fiscal consolidation in 2010. It accounts for the fact that the UK is currently leading global growth recovery.

    And people should take note that the US has not really addressed its fiscal problems. The markets won't strike now but once the EU has recovered then the crosshairs will fix on Washington.

    Plan your future bets accordingly.

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited August 2013
    Grandiose said:

    As I understand it Avery there was a permanent accounting charge (of the border of billions, but only a fraction of the total buy-in to Lloyds and RBS) that the government took, which I think was the premium between the cost it paid over the book value of the shares when it decided to buy them.

    I need to return to the very long and highly tedious ONS and Treasury documents on the bailouts and the classification of their transactions in the National Accounts.

    It is surprising how much movement there is in the full books on a monthly basis due to the 'financial interventions'. Enough to believe that regular mark to market adjustments are being made on asset values.

    I will do it sometime when I get bored but like giving up drinking it is always better to have one more to cement commitment and leave the decision 'til tomorrow.

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    tim said:

    Massive Service sector PMI today.
    Surely Osborne will pull the house price inflation plan now.

    Not until he has sold the banks, tim.

  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    @AveryLP

    I think our lives would be much easier if we based all our economic forecasting on a hypothetical outcome that didn't happen and then compare it to reality know it's almost entirely irrefutable.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited August 2013
    The European Parliament website featues an essential new series:

    "What can four objects in an office reveal about the heads of the European Parliament? Let them tell you themselves in our series taking you behind the scenes of power"

    http://vimeo.com/mepin4objects
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    OT Global terror alert thing.

    So apparently the recent 'attack America' statement from Al Zawahiri that I mentioned Sunday did potentially have significance. The BBC reports that it was an intercept between of a chat between him and an AQIM leader in Yemen that has the US worried. I actually thought Al Zawahiri didn't use telecoms much but you learn something new every day.

    The other thing is the reported attack methodology would indeed be very very hard to counter.

    Has anyone passed through Heathrow in the last 2-3 days? This is just a general curiosity question.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited August 2013
    Sun Politics tweets: YouGov/Sun poll tonight: Brits split evenly on whether the cuts are good or bad for the economy – 41% each. 1st time since December 2010.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    tim said:

    Has there been much discussion of Osborne giving a tax break to couples on £300k and describing families where one parent looks after the kids as making a lifestyle choice.


    I'm guessing the Telegraph and the Mail will be interesting on that.
    82% of the Tories childcare support wil go to the top 50% of earners?

    A fairly meaningless figure without clear definition, tim.

    If childcare support is disproportionately given to families with both parents working then it will suprise no one that the recipients are likely to be in the "top 50% of earners".

    It is simple tax/benefits incentive to mothers wishing to return to full term employment.

    And as for high earning couples being given an incentive to employ au pairs, please tell me what date the following change in policy was made to immigration:

    Nationals from Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Romania became eligible to enter the United Kingdom as au pairs.

    Clue: it was before 2010.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,089
    Why am I seeing adverts for Krugerands?!?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited August 2013
    tim said:

    Sun Politics tweets: YouGov/Sun poll tonight: Brits split evenly on whether the cuts are good or bad for the economy – 41% each. 1st time since December 2010.

    There haven't been any cuts
    You mean the two "too far too fast" Eds have been lying?

  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Andy_JS said:

    Why am I seeing adverts for Krugerands?!?

    I'd love to see the algorithms for how the advertising works. Apparently it's based on browsing history which explains the webhosting one I have been getting recently, but car hire and alzheimer's ads? Very odd.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    tim said:

    tim said:

    Sun Politics tweets: YouGov/Sun poll tonight: Brits split evenly on whether the cuts are good or bad for the economy – 41% each. 1st time since December 2010.

    There haven't been any cuts
    You mean the two "too far too fast" Eds have been lying?

    Osborne tried to cut, but was incompetent.
    Stupidly cutting capital expenditure in 2010 cost a lot
    Since the two Eds supported Darlings capital spending plans - which were virtually identical to Osborne's, you argue that we should add "incompetent" to "deceitful" then...

    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451b31c69e2017c344b2cab970b-pi
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited August 2013
    tim said:

    tim said:

    Sun Politics tweets: YouGov/Sun poll tonight: Brits split evenly on whether the cuts are good or bad for the economy – 41% each. 1st time since December 2010.

    There haven't been any cuts
    You mean the two "too far too fast" Eds have been lying?

    Osborne tried to cut, but was incompetent.
    Stupidly cutting capital expenditure in 2010 cost a lot
    If you had limited your claim to net real term cuts as planned in this financial year, then you would have been accurate. Total Managed Expenditure by the public sector in 2013-14 is planned to increase in real terms by 4.24%.

    In all other years, taking both outturns and forecasts, there have been or are forecast net cuts in real terms. Over the five years in aggregate Osborne plans to cut spending in real terms by 2.75%.

    Do you really want me to post the table of figures yet again?

  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited August 2013
    Spain is threatening to charge Gibraltarians 50 euro to cross over the border.

    Apparently they are entitled to do this because Gibraltar, like the rest of the UK, is not part of the Sheningan agreement.

    This sounds a good idea. We should charge Spaniards £45 to enter the UK - the funds would contribute to improving immigration controls to count them all in and count them all back out again. It might also cause Spain to charge Uk tourists to enter Spain and thus help our balance of payments by reducing the number going abroad on holiday.

    I prefer Portugal myself - a country we have never been at war with, unlike Spain.

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