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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683
    nunu said:
    I don't think Le Pen will be Europe's Trump, Beppe Grillo in Italy next year maybe
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    kle4 said:

    To be fair, they have earned it, what with all those 24 hours to save the NHS skits and the Tories will literally kill, then eat your babies.
    With apologies to BigG, who is not a fan of this type of humour - why wait to kill before you eat?
    LOL! :)
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    I have been pondering this week's results in Scotland , and am now inclining to the view that the SNP will struggle to hold 40 seats on June 8th. I expect them to lose seats to each of the three pro-Union parties.
  • spire2spire2 Posts: 183
    Isn't this the only labour tactic left now full on attack the wealthy ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,354
    I've perused the Sunday Times website, and not found anything related to that 51% figure Joe Twyman was hinting at.
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    Burnham really did get a landslide across Manc...

    1st preferences imagehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_FdkaqXcAMuM5B.jpg

    He did. He's better than Corbyn but I'm not convinced he'd do better that Ed Milliband.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    https://www.indy100.com/article/conspiracy-theory-mark-zuckerburg-running-for-president-donald-trump-7721676?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

    what do we think of this. If he is running to be Dem nomination he needs to make sure Facebook pays all it's taxes. Their membership are going left now. Think we will see a left wing version of the Tea party. Personally I would like to see Rep. Joseph Kennedy III run even though he is just a House member and from New England, trump proved the old adages remain true until they don't.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    justin124 said:

    I have been pondering this week's results in Scotland , and am now inclining to the view that the SNP will struggle to hold 40 seats on June 8th. I expect them to lose seats to each of the three pro-Union parties.

    Don't want to blow my own trumpet but I was predicting they'd get 45 seats from the moment the election was called. I just can't see them winning such a high percentage of seats again. Last time was a one-off IMO.
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    I've perused the Sunday Times website, and not found anything related to that 51% figure Joe Twyman was hinting at.

    What 51% figure?
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    rcs1000 said:

    MTimT said:

    Are we giving any credence to this story, PBers?

    Up to one third of voters thinking of voting tactically to stop Tory Hard Brexit.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-2017-tactical-voting-progressive-alliance-hard-brexit-block-tories-a7721551.html

    No. Looks cobblers to me besides which above a certain level of support it will not make any difference anyway.
    Outside of about five seats in the richest parts of London, there will be no meaningful anti Brexit tactical voting.
    I suppose there must be quite a few Tory voters who are open to persuasion - though for a Tory the UK's being torn off the planet and sent into orbit is generally preferable to letting J Corbyn anywhere near the reins of power. Still, the message (whether true or not) that T May and co are crap negotiators is definitely worth pushing for the next month, to push back a bit at the authoritarian (but highly effective) "strong and stable" mantra.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,145
    justin124 said:

    I have been pondering this week's results in Scotland , and am now inclining to the view that the SNP will struggle to hold 40 seats on June 8th. I expect them to lose seats to each of the three pro-Union parties.

    Serious question. What device is used to signal a Scottish Labour Surge? :D
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,354

    I've perused the Sunday Times website, and not found anything related to that 51% figure Joe Twyman was hinting at.

    What 51% figure?
    https://twitter.com/JoeTwyman/status/860817868648329217
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Chameleon said:

    viewcode said:

    kle4 said:

    Stubborn old Labour. High 20s, early 30s. It'll be fine right, won't it, Mr Corbyn?

    This is beginning to worry me. Labour got 31% in 2015. Since then we've had Brexit, Corbyn and the May Ascendancy. How the actual fuck is Labour's core holding up? It's not Wales or South West England or the West Midands, we'd've seen it in the locals. It's not Scotland nor NI nor SE England. Unless London is undergoing some sort of Labour bodysnatcher thing, how the heck do we get Labour 31?
    We don't. While there are some swings towards Labour/away from Con (students, rich remainers (like in Oxon) and the metropolitan elite), the overall trend indicates Labour being below 25%.
    Citation needed. The overall trend seems to me to show Labour static at around 30. I've only looked in detail at the local election results in my area (Notts) but they broadly bear that out, alhough the NEV derived from the locals nationally shows it at 27 (the difference is IMO because Labour is improving in urban areas which didn't vote in the locals).

    There is a core Labour vote of 25ish, plus 5 who positively like Corbyn, or dislike May, or worry about a Tory landslide. It's not surprising (or, of course, enough to win unless it improves).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    justin124 said:

    I have been pondering this week's results in Scotland , and am now inclining to the view that the SNP will struggle to hold 40 seats on June 8th. I expect them to lose seats to each of the three pro-Union parties.

    Oh please let that be true. I'd be very happy if we can get them below 50. More Scottish polls please.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,257
    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    I have been pondering this week's results in Scotland , and am now inclining to the view that the SNP will struggle to hold 40 seats on June 8th. I expect them to lose seats to each of the three pro-Union parties.

    Serious question. What device is used to signal a Scottish Labour Surge? :D
    A braying ass?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    I have been pondering this week's results in Scotland , and am now inclining to the view that the SNP will struggle to hold 40 seats on June 8th. I expect them to lose seats to each of the three pro-Union parties.

    Serious question. What device is used to signal a Scottish Labour Surge? :D
    I have no answer to that , but can see Labour ending up with circa 6 seats there.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    AndyJS said:

    Labour are playing the long game. Lose this election, maybe the next one too, and eventually the British public will come to their senses and elect Corbyn as PM. Makes sense. But keeping Corbyn in place is paramount, regardless of interim setbacks.

    He'll be too old by then. He'd need a successor.
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    I've perused the Sunday Times website, and not found anything related to that 51% figure Joe Twyman was hinting at.

    What 51% figure?
    https://twitter.com/JoeTwyman/status/860817868648329217
    I see. So it doesn't appear in the online paper? Have we seen the Yougov numbers out?
  • OUTOUT Posts: 569
    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    I have been pondering this week's results in Scotland , and am now inclining to the view that the SNP will struggle to hold 40 seats on June 8th. I expect them to lose seats to each of the three pro-Union parties.

    Serious question. What device is used to signal a Scottish Labour Surge? :D
    A Batshit signal
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    I've perused the Sunday Times website, and not found anything related to that 51% figure Joe Twyman was hinting at.

    isin't it the fact that 51% of voters think that the blairites caused Corbyn to do so badly.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683
    Dadge said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MTimT said:

    Are we giving any credence to this story, PBers?

    Up to one third of voters thinking of voting tactically to stop Tory Hard Brexit.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-2017-tactical-voting-progressive-alliance-hard-brexit-block-tories-a7721551.html

    No. Looks cobblers to me besides which above a certain level of support it will not make any difference anyway.
    Outside of about five seats in the richest parts of London, there will be no meaningful anti Brexit tactical voting.
    I suppose there must be quite a few Tory voters who are open to persuasion - though for a Tory the UK's being torn off the planet and sent into orbit is generally preferable to letting J Corbyn anywhere near the reins of power. Still, the message (whether true or not) that T May and co are crap negotiators is definitely worth pushing for the next month, to push back a bit at the authoritarian (but highly effective) "strong and stable" mantra.
    Such voters are reasonably strong in a few affluent Tory Remain seats like Bath, Cheltenham, Lewes, Richmond Park, Kingston and Surbiton, Twickenham and West Oxford but they will go LD if they want to protest over Brexit, they would not touch Corbyn Labour with a bargepole
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,856
    edited May 2017
    rcs1000 said:

    MTimT said:

    Are we giving any credence to this story, PBers?

    Up to one third of voters thinking of voting tactically to stop Tory Hard Brexit.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-2017-tactical-voting-progressive-alliance-hard-brexit-block-tories-a7721551.html

    No. Looks cobblers to me besides which above a certain level of support it will not make any difference anyway.
    Outside of about five seats in the richest parts of London, there will be no meaningful anti Brexit tactical voting.
    Vauxhall isn't one of the richest, but it has the most Brexit-compromised incumbent:

    https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/860900613231652870
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    So the address to the media in the Buckingham Palace ballroom wasn't to announce the release of state papers from the Profumo affair, then. When Prince Philip dies, will it even get mentioned?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Dadge said:

    AndyJS said:

    Labour are playing the long game. Lose this election, maybe the next one too, and eventually the British public will come to their senses and elect Corbyn as PM. Makes sense. But keeping Corbyn in place is paramount, regardless of interim setbacks.

    He'll be too old by then. He'd need a successor.
    That's a flaw in the plan, it has to be said.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052

    rcs1000 said:

    MTimT said:

    Are we giving any credence to this story, PBers?

    Up to one third of voters thinking of voting tactically to stop Tory Hard Brexit.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-2017-tactical-voting-progressive-alliance-hard-brexit-block-tories-a7721551.html

    No. Looks cobblers to me besides which above a certain level of support it will not make any difference anyway.
    Outside of about five seats in the richest parts of London, there will be no meaningful anti Brexit tactical voting.
    Vauxhall isn't one of the richest, but it has the most Brexit-compromised incumbent:

    https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/860900613231652870
    I'm guessing that the Tory and Green votes will be squeezed and the LibDems will move up to around 30%, but Hoey's buffer is surely too big.
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106

    rcs1000 said:

    MTimT said:

    Are we giving any credence to this story, PBers?

    Up to one third of voters thinking of voting tactically to stop Tory Hard Brexit.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-2017-tactical-voting-progressive-alliance-hard-brexit-block-tories-a7721551.html

    No. Looks cobblers to me besides which above a certain level of support it will not make any difference anyway.
    Outside of about five seats in the richest parts of London, there will be no meaningful anti Brexit tactical voting.
    Vauxhall isn't one of the richest, but it has the most Brexit-compromised incumbent:

    https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/860900613231652870
    The number of posters is an infallible guide to the eventual winner.
    Remember the Scottish Independence Referendum! :trollface:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    A retiring Labour MP is threatening to sue her own party after it chose a male Sikh candidate to replace her instead of another woman.

    Slough MP Fiona Mactaggart accused Labour chiefs of flouting party rules that say a female candidate must succeed a woman MP who steps down.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4480784/Legal-threat-male-candidate-selection.html
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    A retiring Labour MP is threatening to sue her own party after it chose a male Sikh candidate to replace her instead of another woman.

    Slough MP Fiona Mactaggart accused Labour chiefs of flouting party rules that say a female candidate must succeed a woman MP who steps down.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4480784/Legal-threat-male-candidate-selection.html

    The mind boggles.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    AndyJS said:

    A retiring Labour MP is threatening to sue her own party after it chose a male Sikh candidate to replace her instead of another woman.

    Slough MP Fiona Mactaggart accused Labour chiefs of flouting party rules that say a female candidate must succeed a woman MP who steps down.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4480784/Legal-threat-male-candidate-selection.html

    The mind boggles.
    what if they pick a trans woman? would that be within the rules? This one story encapsulates why they have so few choices for Labour leader, instead of picking the best person for MP they have a bunch of medicore at best women MP's.
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,464
    rcs1000 said:

    Both. Neither were impossible.

    If what you were saying is true why was one of Boris' very first foreign engagements as FM a hurriedly prepared trip to meet Erdogan and re-affirm support for their EU membership ambitions? Does that not indicate that the UK's support for Turkish entry was far more than just a fig leaf?

    I admit that events since the referendum have made accession in the near future unlikely, but to pretend that wasn't the end-game is completely disingenuous.

    I'm sorry, you don't know anything about Cypriot politics. Any Cypriot politician that signed an accession treaty (and it requires a treaty) would be a dead man. And I don't just mean "would destroy his political chances", I mean he would would be killed.
    Do you mean Greek Cypriot politicians? - the Island consists of two ethnic Cypriot groups (well three actually) but Greek and Turkish Cypriots - people a re quick to forget the 30% of the population who are not Greek Cypriot
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    rcs1000 said:

    Both. Neither were impossible.

    If what you were saying is true why was one of Boris' very first foreign engagements as FM a hurriedly prepared trip to meet Erdogan and re-affirm support for their EU membership ambitions? Does that not indicate that the UK's support for Turkish entry was far more than just a fig leaf?

    I admit that events since the referendum have made accession in the near future unlikely, but to pretend that wasn't the end-game is completely disingenuous.

    I'm sorry, you don't know anything about Cypriot politics. Any Cypriot politician that signed an accession treaty (and it requires a treaty) would be a dead man. And I don't just mean "would destroy his political chances", I mean he would would be killed.
    Do you mean Greek Cypriot politicians? - the Island consists of two ethnic Cypriot groups (well three actually) but Greek and Turkish Cypriots - people a re quick to forget the 30% of the population who are not Greek Cypriot
    Who's the third ethnic group?
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,464
    Maronites are an official ethnic group in Cyprus (have a look online, it is complicated)

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,635
    Dadge said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MTimT said:

    Are we giving any credence to this story, PBers?

    Up to one third of voters thinking of voting tactically to stop Tory Hard Brexit.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-2017-tactical-voting-progressive-alliance-hard-brexit-block-tories-a7721551.html

    No. Looks cobblers to me besides which above a certain level of support it will not make any difference anyway.
    Outside of about five seats in the richest parts of London, there will be no meaningful anti Brexit tactical voting.
    Vauxhall isn't one of the richest, but it has the most Brexit-compromised incumbent:

    https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/860900613231652870
    I'm guessing that the Tory and Green votes will be squeezed and the LibDems will move up to around 30%, but Hoey's buffer is surely too big.
    Probably got enough of a robot vote to see her through.
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Pulpstar said:

    Dadge said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MTimT said:

    Are we giving any credence to this story, PBers?

    Up to one third of voters thinking of voting tactically to stop Tory Hard Brexit.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-2017-tactical-voting-progressive-alliance-hard-brexit-block-tories-a7721551.html

    No. Looks cobblers to me besides which above a certain level of support it will not make any difference anyway.
    Outside of about five seats in the richest parts of London, there will be no meaningful anti Brexit tactical voting.
    Vauxhall isn't one of the richest, but it has the most Brexit-compromised incumbent:

    https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/860900613231652870
    I'm guessing that the Tory and Green votes will be squeezed and the LibDems will move up to around 30%, but Hoey's buffer is surely too big.
    Probably got enough of a robot vote to see her through.
    Kate Hoey got 53% of the vote last time and her nearest challenger was a Conservative. I can't see that falling.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,783
    Hmm. On the basis of those polls the Tories and the LDs seem to have gone up by 11.3 points between them since 2015, and Labour and UKIP to have gone down by 4.8.

    Can anyone explain where the extra 6.5 points came from?
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Chris said:

    Hmm. On the basis of those polls the Tories and the LDs seem to have gone up by 11.3 points between them since 2015, and Labour and UKIP to have gone down by 4.8.

    Can anyone explain where the extra 6.5 points came from?

    Greens, SNP, PC and rounding?
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,464
    How well backed is Hoey by local Labour party, she seems a lone voice among the London Labour MPs that Farage Thames stunt may damage her ....wouldnt be surprised if local activists arent keen to turn out for her, saying that however her views on fox hunting didnt seem to be a previous problem?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,635

    How well backed is Hoey by local Labour party, she seems a lone voice among the London Labour MPs that Farage Thames stunt may damage her ....wouldnt be surprised if local activists arent keen to turn out for her, saying that however her views on fox hunting didnt seem to be a previous problem?

    A purely demographic strong Labour vote I think.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,289
    Chris said:

    Hmm. On the basis of those polls the Tories and the LDs seem to have gone up by 11.3 points between them since 2015, and Labour and UKIP to have gone down by 4.8.

    Can anyone explain where the extra 6.5 points came from?

    Are you sure you are not comparing them with the GE result which, unlike most polls, includes Northern Ireland?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,289
    edited May 2017
    I think this was the 51%:

    On reasons for Labour losses at local elections:

    Corbyn: 14%
    Right wing populism: 35%
    Failed Blairite coup last year: 51%

    YouGov (May 5)

    They have of course fed people the reasons to choose from (presumably just these three) in a pick-from list. Also not clear whether this is just Labour voters (which would be more logical; it could even be just members, as YG has a good database of party members) or everyone.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    edited May 2017
    IanB2 said:

    I think this was the 51%:

    On reasons for Labour losses at local elections:

    Corbyn: 14%
    Right wing populism: 35%
    Failed Blairite coup last year: 51%

    YouGov (May 5)

    They have of course fed people the reasons to choose from (presumably just these three) in a pick-from list. Also not clear whether this is just Labour voters (which would be more logical; it could even be just members, as YG has a good database of party members) or everyone.

    https://twitter.com/BrianElects/status/860598405667717121

    SPOOF TWITTER
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    I have been pondering this week's results in Scotland , and am now inclining to the view that the SNP will struggle to hold 40 seats on June 8th. I expect them to lose seats to each of the three pro-Union parties.

    Serious question. What device is used to signal a Scottish Labour Surge? :D
    A whoopee cushion
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    rcs1000 said:

    Both. Neither were impossible.

    If what you were saying is true why was one of Boris' very first foreign engagements as FM a hurriedly prepared trip to meet Erdogan and re-affirm support for their EU membership ambitions? Does that not indicate that the UK's support for Turkish entry was far more than just a fig leaf?

    I admit that events since the referendum have made accession in the near future unlikely, but to pretend that wasn't the end-game is completely disingenuous.

    I'm sorry, you don't know anything about Cypriot politics. Any Cypriot politician that signed an accession treaty (and it requires a treaty) would be a dead man. And I don't just mean "would destroy his political chances", I mean he would would be killed.
    Do you mean Greek Cypriot politicians? - the Island consists of two ethnic Cypriot groups (well three actually) but Greek and Turkish Cypriots - people a re quick to forget the 30% of the population who are not Greek Cypriot
    Who's the third ethnic group?
    Brits
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    On the '51%' could be either Male (48%) (prev YouGov) or Female (47%) Con VI tipping into majority - tho my initial guess C2DE (44%) seems like too much of a stretch - Midlands/Wales (49%) also a candidate. 'Right to Leave (46%) would be a surprise, but not impossible.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,289

    IanB2 said:

    I think this was the 51%:

    On reasons for Labour losses at local elections:

    Corbyn: 14%
    Right wing populism: 35%
    Failed Blairite coup last year: 51%

    YouGov (May 5)

    They have of course fed people the reasons to choose from (presumably just these three) in a pick-from list. Also not clear whether this is just Labour voters (which would be more logical; it could even be just members, as YG has a good database of party members) or everyone.

    https://twitter.com/BrianElects/status/860598405667717121

    SPOOF TWITTER
    So what was the 51% trailed by the paper?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think this was the 51%:

    On reasons for Labour losses at local elections:

    Corbyn: 14%
    Right wing populism: 35%
    Failed Blairite coup last year: 51%

    YouGov (May 5)

    They have of course fed people the reasons to choose from (presumably just these three) in a pick-from list. Also not clear whether this is just Labour voters (which would be more logical; it could even be just members, as YG has a good database of party members) or everyone.

    https://twitter.com/BrianElects/status/860598405667717121

    SPOOF TWITTER
    So what was the 51% trailed by the paper?
    We don't know yet - see previous post for suggestions. But I'm pretty confident a Spoof Twitter account isn't it.

    https://twitter.com/BrianElects/status/860951891123089408
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    Thank you Nicola:

    With her Poll Tax, Margaret Thatcher oversaw the demise of Tory Scotland; with her Indyref 2, Nicola Sturgeon has overseen its revival.

    https://stephendaisley.com/2017/05/06/stuck-in-the-middle-with-ruth/
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,145
    edited May 2017

    Thank you Nicola:

    With her Poll Tax, Margaret Thatcher oversaw the demise of Tory Scotland; with her Indyref 2, Nicola Sturgeon has overseen its revival.

    https://stephendaisley.com/2017/05/06/stuck-in-the-middle-with-ruth/

    In his latest forecast, Baxter is predicting ten Tory gains from the SNP.... :p
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,145
    New thread!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,289

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think this was the 51%:

    On reasons for Labour losses at local elections:

    Corbyn: 14%
    Right wing populism: 35%
    Failed Blairite coup last year: 51%

    YouGov (May 5)

    They have of course fed people the reasons to choose from (presumably just these three) in a pick-from list. Also not clear whether this is just Labour voters (which would be more logical; it could even be just members, as YG has a good database of party members) or everyone.

    https://twitter.com/BrianElects/status/860598405667717121

    SPOOF TWITTER
    So what was the 51% trailed by the paper?
    We don't know yet - see previous post for suggestions. But I'm pretty confident a Spoof Twitter account isn't it.

    https://twitter.com/BrianElects/status/860951891123089408
    No, my apologies for picking this up and posting it.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think this was the 51%:

    On reasons for Labour losses at local elections:

    Corbyn: 14%
    Right wing populism: 35%
    Failed Blairite coup last year: 51%

    YouGov (May 5)

    They have of course fed people the reasons to choose from (presumably just these three) in a pick-from list. Also not clear whether this is just Labour voters (which would be more logical; it could even be just members, as YG has a good database of party members) or everyone.

    https://twitter.com/BrianElects/status/860598405667717121

    SPOOF TWITTER
    So what was the 51% trailed by the paper?
    We don't know yet - see previous post for suggestions. But I'm pretty confident a Spoof Twitter account isn't it.

    https://twitter.com/BrianElects/status/860951891123089408
    No, my apologies for picking this up and posting it.
    It's a very dodgy spoof - I missed 'Brian Elects' first time!
  • I've perused the Sunday Times website, and not found anything related to that 51% figure Joe Twyman was hinting at.

    What 51% figure?
    https://twitter.com/JoeTwyman/status/860817868648329217
    Good twy man, but it'll be a long time before you're able to pull that stunt again.
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