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The Tories seems to have been rattled by UKIP to such an extent that it is deeply worrying.
Are UKIP going to hurt the Tories that much ?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/02/immigration-offenders-home-office-tweeting
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 12m
Labour blogosphere reaction to hiring of Jim Messina is example of precisely why he's working for the Tories and not Ed M's Labour party.
Oh, wait...
Too bloody humid tonight. Vile weather.
EDIT: A more interesting market would be which Labour figure will come out and strongly support Ed.
Decision by @messina12 to work for Tories shows that for most people Lab v Tories isn't good v evil. In fact only Lab members think so!
Peter Watt @PeterWatt123
Instead of attacking @Messina2012 for his decision, Lab members should ask why he chose Tories not Lab to work for.
TSE would experience difficulties with the latter.
The NHS generally requires a National Insurance number.
Key difference between Labour and Tories. Tories are recruiting serious strategists. Labour are overloading on press specialists.
I remain stunned at how stupid Mark has been, he's normally quite sensible.
Allan Draycott
@allanholloway
"There are two main political parties in America - one is the Republican Party which is very much like the Conservative Party...
and the other is the Democratic Party which is very much like the Conservative Party." Attlee wouldn't have been surprised by Messina's appt
Mark Ferguson @Markfergusonuk
@PeterWatt123 seemingly it was never an option - he doesn't identify with Labour. But still, there are others out there ready to be
Although all bar a few posters on here agree with him.
Its beyond me, the Home Office are getting illegal immigrants out of the country and people think its terrible. These are the same people who moan about our lax borders and immigration levels.
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 9m
Key difference between Labour and Tories. Tories are recruiting serious strategists. Labour are overloading on press specialists.
I read SeanT's book on dating but I'm going to write a better one.
The 46 year old who admitted half-way through the date that she was really 61. I still fancied her...
The one who couldn't get the manacles on me fast enough. I speak to her for the very first time on Tuesday night to arrange a date for Wednesday night. She's on the phone at 9am Wednesday morning asking me what I'm up to, what I'm doing either on Thursday night or next week, so we can arrange the second date now. Wtf?
The one who sent me a fresh nude pic, pestered me for phone sex, and at the critical moment said "That was great. Don't worry, my husband's just walked in, but carry on."
The one who proffered me her phone number, after me viewing her extremely lewd profile "You'll love my 38DDs, etc." A bit of digging revealed she has a quite high corporate position, according to her LinkedIn profile. Looks good in a suit too...
More updates from the field, as they unfold..
I mean really. Desperate sour grapes.
Mark Ferguson @Markfergusonuk
Want to tell @BarackObama that you're unhappy with @Messina2012 working for a conservative party of austerity? Email support@BarackObama.com
I wait with baited breath
Whilst I share your loathing of the man, as I'm sure we all do, if he got the death penalty after confessing and removing the need for a full trial then there would be no incentive for anyone to make such a move, and any victims would have to take the stand. Some wouldn't, so in some cases that could lead to perpetrators going free, and even if they didn't, they'd be able to further traumatise their victims.
Well, that's my understanding, anyway.
Oh, and on a related but separate note: concurrent sentences are bullshit.
There are two reasons why I've changed my mind on the death sentence debate. Firstly, the consequences of miscarriages of justice are too high if it's in place. At least with whole-life terms, the falsely convicted can be released. And there've been too many such cases for it not to be an issue. The second is that the evidence suggests that juries require a higher burden of proof when the death penalty is likely to come into play 'to be sure', with the result that genuinely guilty people are found not guilty due to the higher bar set.
Oh, and the guillotine is more efficient.
When removing them, the government should do it ruthlessly and extremely quietly. Kicking people out can't be nice, especially when they often have nowhere else to go, but the sad reality is that we can't have porous borders. So they have to be removed.
Drawing attention to the removal of illegals via big, loud adverts isn't clever. One, it makes you look aggressive, and two, it allows the media (especially the Beeb) to find harrowing cases of people here illegally who desperately need help. Then some people will see the government as nasty bullies. Not good.
The removal of van loads of faceless, nameless illegal immigrants and dumping them - out of sight of the camera - just outside Calais is good government.
But drawing attention to the removal of one starving soul, under the full glare of the pitying media, is not good government.
The government should take advice from the mafia and remove their enemies without leaving any fingerprints.
Sounds very interesting...You could call it `The Diaries of an Internet Adonis`.Has tickled the voyeur in me
http://t.co/13cnx7bUBe
Neil, do you remember our conversation last week where you described the provisions of the Same Sex Marriage Act which "protect" churches from forced ceremonies as being "cast-iron"?
I thought it would take years - and after appeals it still might - but the wheels have already been set in motion. I should have taken the bet you offered. http://bit.ly/13IcieK
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQsOPMPCAAAoMm6.jpg:large
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM9Bynjh2Lk
Mr. M, you're very welcome.
I'd expect a small rise in labours lead during august as many torys are on holiday and on foreign shores. whereas labours army of welfare dependents are confined to the back yard to sunbathe
Without the exit checks the HO waste a lot of time chasing people who they think have overstayed their visa, but in fact have left the country.
If I was a cynic, and I am, I would say that certain people have a vested interest in not having a reliable count of people leaving the country, because it leaves them free to just make up whatever numbers they please to suit their agenda.
When removing them, the government should do it ruthlessly and extremely quietly. Kicking people out can't be nice, especially when they often have nowhere else to go, but the sad reality is that we can't have porous borders. So they have to be removed.
Drawing attention to the removal of illegals via big, loud adverts isn't clever. One, it makes you look aggressive, and two, it allows the media (especially the Beeb) to find harrowing cases of people here illegally who desperately need help. Then some people will see the government as nasty bullies. Not good.
The removal of van loads of faceless, nameless illegal immigrants and dumping them - out of sight of the camera - just outside Calais is good government.
But drawing attention to the removal of one starving soul, under the full glare of the pitying media, is not good government.
The government should take advice from the mafia and remove their enemies without leaving any fingerprints.
Sorry cant agree. There was a reason illegal immigrants risked their lives to travel from France to the UK, its because of the easy life they have in the UK. Why didn't they stay in France?
What we need is this high profile removal procedure, we must make sure illegal immigrants have a difficult time as possible in the UK to stop it being so attractive and to ensure that any potential illegal immigrant thinks that the UK will not be such an easy ride anymore. .
Neil described the law as "cast-iron" which I thought was a dangerous statement of certainty in the face of unpredictable activist judges. Similarly yours. Judges, especially those from our european enemies, make law from the bench. This lot may not win but another similar case will sooner or later.
Darth Vader to Ben Kenobi:
"Your powers are weak, old man!"
David Jack @DJack_Journo 9m
Will we soon see "Labour Unite" on our ballot papers? Len tightens his grip on party via Europe http://thetim.es/16ftEmo
What we need is this high profile removal procedure, we must make sure illegal immigrants have a difficult time as possible in the UK to stop it being so attractive and to ensure that any potential illegal immigrant thinks that the UK will not be such an easy ride anymore. .
Even if it loses you support?
Surely it makes more sense to remove them quietly, shore up the borders, and maintain a perception of yourselves as a decent and tolerant party in the meantime.
It's risky for the Tories to be seen as nasty. The left are desperately pushing the meme that Tories are evil, nasty ideologues. This van campaign does their job for them.
The immigrants aren't stupid, word will soon spread that Britain is no soft touch.
Giant bunnies remind me of The Sleeper - a friend of mine used to breed them and they slept in dog beds...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj7l65Y8DUA
Maybe I am hypocritical with regard to death but we don't live in a perfect world and need to frame laws accordingly.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/article2481811.ece#tab-4
"Immigration Minister Mark Harper told Sky News: "I make no apologies for our operations cracking down on illegal working operations - both on those working illegally and those employing them, but I absolutely refute the suggestion that we are targeting people because of their race, or we are doing racial profiling - we are doing nothing of the sort.
"We are using intelligence to target our operations. We can only lawfully do that if we have intelligence that suggests we are going to encounter immigration offenders, and I am confident having reviewed our operations that we are absolutely operating within the law."
http://t.co/zXwOzUnahD
Since this inexplicably still seems to much for them to grasp it is laid out here very clearly.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/363408356158885889/photo/1
Looking at a less nerdy self selecting group of Times readers - they're very much of the Yes please and So What camp. Given these sorts have paid to HYS and are quite middle class I'd be surprised that these were all EDLers or similar flooding the comments.
The gap between those who find it all appalling and everyone else is pretty large. Having been regularly called a racist blah blah on PB - it has zip effect on me. It's tactics that have worn so thin we can see through them.
An insight into why the master strategy appears to be to move the political narrative back on to one of the core kipper issues may prove illuminating. Particularly given that there is absolutely no requirement for it and the lessons from the May local elections and the likes of Eastleigh could hardly be clearer.
Provoking a debate on immigration and raising it's salience in the minds of tory and wavering voters will certainly delight Farage. Though why Cameron thinks that's a good idea yet again is a complete mystery.
"It does not compute"
'twas ever thus.
I doubt whether "meaningful messages for staff and stakeholders" will help.
We do not have the right to decide that he is worthless as an individual and therefore has no right to live. However despicable we may believe his actions to be.
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Mark Pack @markpack 2m
New Tory campaign advisor Jim Messina and his "anti-gay secret" as http://Salon.com puts it http://bit.ly/1ehhTP5
"..you were only sixteen, and I had just turned forty three..."
So apart from all that well done!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sXdFEyEIlQ
Same applies to illegal immigrants, you have to send them to somewhere where they will be legal re-immigrants (the suggestion downthread that you put 'em in a van which you discreetly open at Calais is barking even by PB standards).
Allegra "Within minutes of me breaking the story a Labour source rang me from the pool side venting - we have no one!!!!" "It has sent shockwaves through the Party"
http://suite101.com/article/fred-perry-loved-by-the-fans-hated-by-the-establishment-a303732