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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,456

    I'm calling it now, if Corbyn leads Labour at the general election the result will be closer to 1931 than 1983.

    which is why it wont happen.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187

    Chuka Umunna is running a one man campaign to become the leader of the centre-left stay in the single market.

    https://twitter.com/chukaumunna/status/847777164015566850

    Chuka's plan is to become Labour leader in 2021, PM in 2025 and take the UK back into the single market in 2026
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    wasdwasd Posts: 276
    POLLING LONDON WITH @YouGov - Leader ratings
    Lucas: +13
    May: +9
    Farron: - 8
    Nuttall: -34
    Corbyn: -44
    [March 2017]
    http://bit.ly/2nD15Py
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,300
    Is anywhere safe from the corbyn surge? At this rate labour might have to start worrying about those well known Tory targets such as liverpool....
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    Over my dead body will Spain get their hands on Gibraltar.

    Spain can piss off.

    Tough titties. If getting a good Brexit deal means giving away Gibraltar, so be it.

    Why should 32,000 people be allowed to deny 60 odd million Brits a good deal?
    If Gibraltar is sold out, I'll be lobbying my MP, and every Tory Brexit MP I can think of, to reject the deal outright.

    I will also quit the Tory Party.
    What has Gibraltar ever done for us?

    I've asked Keiran to get Opinium to poll on it, would UK voters be ok with giving away Gibraltar to Spain in exchange for a good Brexit deal?

    If only Remain had warned of this during the campaign.
    WE should sell Gibraltar for €60 bn. I think we need that sum........
    Against their wishes? What a democrat!
    The residents of Diego Garcia are laughing at that!
    There are no residents of Diego Garcia.

    IIRC

    As part of The Treaty of Utrecht that ceded Gibraltar to us, didn't the deal also give us exclusivity on the slave trade in Spanish colonies in the Americas?

    If so, a bloody shameful deal, out of embarrassment we should give Gibraltar back.

    IIRC

    As part of The Treaty of Utrecht that ceded Gibraltar to us, didn't the deal also give us exclusivity on the slave trade in Spanish colonies in the Americas?

    If so, a bloody shameful deal, out of embarrassment we should give Gibraltar back.

    Not shameful at all. If we hadn't had exclusive rights then we wouldn't have been able to ban it

    (Or to have been able to afford to build Liverpool but the jury's still out on whether that's a good thing if not)
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    NumbrCrunchrPolitics @NCPoliticsUK - YouGov/Standard (London, chg vs Apr 16):

    CON 34 (+4)
    LAB 37 (-9)
    LD 14 (+7)
    UKIP 9 (-4)
    GRN 5 (+1)

    Eek – Labour losing its dominance in London could be as bad for them as Scotland GE2015.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,162
    wasd said:

    POLLING LONDON WITH @YouGov - Leader ratings
    Lucas: +13
    May: +9
    Farron: - 8
    Nuttall: -34
    Corbyn: -44
    [March 2017]
    http://bit.ly/2nD15Py

    Imagine what the Lib Dems could do with a more credible leader. At some point bringing back Clegg will surely be a good move.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    TGOHF said:

    TimFarron's tactics are certainly unconventional - at every utterance from the EU he jumps out in front of the camera to reiterate that the EU has the whip hand and puny little Britain is about to get shafted.

    "Commenting on the release of the draft European Council negotiation guidelines, Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron said:

    These guidelines show the strength of the EU in these negotiations, and the carelessness of the UK government in isolating themselves from our European allies."

    Is this some sort of genius or is he ordering a taxi for the LDs ?


    It's a dumb position. If he's right he'll be hated for it, and if he's wrong he'll ridiculed for it.

    LD 14 (+7)

    he'll => he will

    Note: future tense.

    I don't doubt they are hoovering some remainer/protester votes right now.

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,078
    wasd said:

    POLLING LONDON WITH @YouGov - Leader ratings
    Lucas: +13
    May: +9
    Farron: - 8
    Nuttall: -34
    Corbyn: -44
    [March 2017]
    http://bit.ly/2nD15Py

    Isn't lucas only coleader? Shouldn't what's his name be in there?
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited March 2017
    The London numbers compared to the May 2010 Result

    Lab 37 (=)
    Con 34 (-1)
    LD 14 (-8)
    UKIP 9 (+7)
    Green 5 (+3)

    Jezza's Labour as popular as Gordon Brown's with Londoners.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,456
    Lenin Len blamed "divisions" for Lab's poor polling on QT last night.

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    Just let this sink in. Corbyn trails May by 53% IN LONDON.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,078

    NumbrCrunchrPolitics @NCPoliticsUK - YouGov/Standard (London, chg vs Apr 16):

    CON 34 (+4)
    LAB 37 (-9)
    LD 14 (+7)
    UKIP 9 (-4)
    GRN 5 (+1)

    Eek – Labour losing its dominance in London could be as bad for them as Scotland GE2015.

    Just One Poll.

    Labour are in an odd position. As loyal Brits they will want the government to get the best deal possible for the country, but the quickest way for the tory dominance to end woukd be for may to cock it up.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    edited March 2017
    I came to the conclusion based off national polling the other day that there is a straight

    Labour -> Conservative swing (And a big one, 5-6% or so) nationally

    It appears in London, and so we can extrapolate to other "remain" areas (If my Sion Simon bet was to be trounced, this may provide further evidence) that there is a big Labour -> Lib Dem swing going on as well.

    So
    Lab -> Con in provincial Brexitshire
    &
    Lab -> Lib Dem in metropolitan Remainia

    A heady mix for Corbyn.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,078

    Lenin Len blamed "divisions" for Lab's poor polling on QT last night.

    He's got some cheek.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    wasd said:

    POLLING LONDON WITH @YouGov - Leader ratings
    Lucas: +13
    May: +9
    Farron: - 8
    Nuttall: -34
    Corbyn: -44
    [March 2017]
    http://bit.ly/2nD15Py

    Imagine what the Lib Dems could do with a more credible leader. At some point bringing back Clegg will surely be a good move.
    No. Anyone with a Tory taint will be disastrous.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,300
    edited March 2017

    Just let this sink in. Corbyn trails May by 53% IN LONDON.

    I am sure all the moamentum tw@tterai think that it is all fake numbers created by the Tory establishment illuminati in order to destabilise the supreme leader inevitable landslide victory in 2020.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,078
    surbiton said:

    wasd said:

    POLLING LONDON WITH @YouGov - Leader ratings
    Lucas: +13
    May: +9
    Farron: - 8
    Nuttall: -34
    Corbyn: -44
    [March 2017]
    http://bit.ly/2nD15Py

    Imagine what the Lib Dems could do with a more credible leader. At some point bringing back Clegg will surely be a good move.
    No. Anyone with a Tory taint will be disastrous.
    More joy in heaven over sinner who has repented etc etc
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    In more important news (quoting from the FT):

    "India’s Gujarat state has toughened up the penalties of its existing cow protection law so that anyone convicted of slaughtering a cow can be sentenced to life imprisonment, up from the previous seven years’ incarceration."

    It is actually quite important!

    The value of a bullock in India is about 15% of a cow - that differential will have widened. Should be positive news for Genus Plc given the relative pricing of sexed semen vs conventional semen
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    edited March 2017

    Just let this sink in. Corbyn trails May by 53% IN LONDON.

    The polling is bad for Labour.

    Internals, leader ratings & models are beyond disastrous. Their position has markedly deteriorated post-Brexit.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,162
    surbiton said:

    wasd said:

    POLLING LONDON WITH @YouGov - Leader ratings
    Lucas: +13
    May: +9
    Farron: - 8
    Nuttall: -34
    Corbyn: -44
    [March 2017]
    http://bit.ly/2nD15Py

    Imagine what the Lib Dems could do with a more credible leader. At some point bringing back Clegg will surely be a good move.
    No. Anyone with a Tory taint will be disastrous.
    But now there's the mother of all dividing lines between the Lib Dems and the Tories. This isn't 2015 anymore.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,456

    Just let this sink in. Corbyn trails May by 53% IN LONDON.

    I am sure all the moamentum tw@tterai think that it is all fake numbers created by the Tory establishment illuminati in order to destabilise the supreme leader.
    No doubt. Even real election results may not be enough to burst their cultist ardour.

    But their number is dwindling judging by membership figures.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    Sean_F said:

    IIRC

    As part of The Treaty of Utrecht that ceded Gibraltar to us, didn't the deal also give us exclusivity on the slave trade in Spanish colonies in the Americas?

    If so, a bloody shameful deal, out of embarrassment we should give Gibraltar back.

    I think you're trolling.
    No, I'm giving PBers a history lessons.

    Britain's role in the slave trade is a national embarrassment and we should help rectify that vile error because one of Britain's finest achievements was helping end the slave trade.
    Are today's ramblings a sympttom of a rather severe bout of heseltinitis?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,456
    surbiton said:

    wasd said:

    POLLING LONDON WITH @YouGov - Leader ratings
    Lucas: +13
    May: +9
    Farron: - 8
    Nuttall: -34
    Corbyn: -44
    [March 2017]
    http://bit.ly/2nD15Py

    Imagine what the Lib Dems could do with a more credible leader. At some point bringing back Clegg will surely be a good move.
    No. Anyone with a Tory taint will be disastrous.
    Possibly. But in the long run? I have suspected for some time that Clegg will return.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,456
    kle4 said:

    Lenin Len blamed "divisions" for Lab's poor polling on QT last night.

    He's got some cheek.
    Indeed, it is beyond parody.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,781

    tick, tock, tick, tock...
    The Blairite Mayor Sadiq Khan has really damaged Labour in London.
    The Age of George has arrived at the Standard !
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,300

    Just let this sink in. Corbyn trails May by 53% IN LONDON.

    I am sure all the moamentum tw@tterai think that it is all fake numbers created by the Tory establishment illuminati in order to destabilise the supreme leader.
    No doubt. Even real election results may not be enough to burst their cultist ardour.

    But their number is dwindling judging by membership figures.
    I am Justin Short Straws will be along shortly to tell us the polling in the 1896 London local council elections show labour can still win a majority in 2020.
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    wasd said:

    POLLING LONDON WITH @YouGov - Leader ratings
    Lucas: +13
    May: +9
    Farron: - 8
    Nuttall: -34
    Corbyn: -44
    [March 2017]
    http://bit.ly/2nD15Py

    Lucas at the top of the list! Blimey. London's way more ecomentalist than I had realised.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Just let this sink in. Corbyn trails May by 53% IN LONDON.

    The polling is bad for Labour.

    Internals, leader ratings & models are beyond disastrous. Their position has markedly deteriorated post-Brexit.
    I'd love to see what the VI would look like if the names of the party leaders were named in the VI question.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    If, as Pulpstar notes, there's an overall 5% headline Lab --> Con swing, and if there's only a 3% swing in London, and there's very little Labour vote to actually swing across much of the South, just imagine the swings in the Midlands and North.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,099

    At the 2015 GE in London Labour were 9% ahead of the Tories, now they are only 3% ahead.

    Take a bow Jeremy, take a bow

    Changes since the GE

    Con 34 (-1)

    Lab 37 (-7)

    Lib Dem 14 (+6)

    UKIP 9 (+1)

    Greens 5 (nc)

    With a possible UKIP squeeze to come as well?

    Con theoretically re-gain:

    Ealing Cent and Acton
    Brentford and Isleworth
    Ilford North
    Enfield North

    and also gain:

    Hampstead and Kilburn
    Harrow West
    Westminster North
    Tooting (haha!)

    But lose (to LDs) - again a bit theoretical with double incumbency bonuses:

    Twickenham
    Kingston and Surbiton
    I would expect the LDs to regain Twickenham, but I doubt they're in the running in Kingston. (If they perform particularly strongly there in next year's locals, I reserve the right to change my mind.)

    On those numbers, the LDs would also gain Bermondsey & Old Southwark from Labour (where the demographic trends probably also favour the LDs longer term), but I think that's it for London.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187

    Just let this sink in. Corbyn trails May by 53% IN LONDON.

    May is clearly more popular than her party in London, Corbyn well behind his
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,456

    Is anywhere safe from the corbyn surge? At this rate labour might have to start worrying about those well known Tory targets such as liverpool....

    "Is anywhere safe from the corbyn surge?"

    I believe there is a student bedsit somewhere in Cambridge.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,014
    edited March 2017
    Comrades, listen not to the neo-Osbornite numerological depravities of the capitalist propagandists!

    Chairman Corbyn's popularity goes from strength to strength. Who has received a standing ovation from Islington South's Manhole Inspection Association? None but he!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    edited March 2017
    At least Corbyn has swingback to look forward to, seeing as he is undergoing the normal mid term unpopularity of a governing lead .. oh wait :neutral:
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,456

    If, as Pulpstar notes, there's an overall 5% headline Lab --> Con swing, and if there's only a 3% swing in London, and there's very little Labour vote to actually swing across much of the South, just imagine the swings in the Midlands and North.

    Corbyn is pure toxic radiation in Midlands and Northern marginals imho.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,456

    Comrades, listen not to the neo-Osbornite numerological depravities of the capitalist propagandists!

    Chairman Corbyn's popularity goes from strength to strength. Who has received a standing ovation from Islington South's Manhole Inspection Association? None but he!

    That's the spirit! :lol:
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Labour will do well to poll 6m votes at the next GE if Corbyn hangs around.
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    NEW THREAD

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,014
    Mr. Pulpstar, your jest does raise an interesting question. Obviously we have the enormous issue of the EU, but will we otherwise see a swing back to the governing party? Likewise, has the stigma of voting Conservative disappeared, which might reduce/abolish the shy Conservative factor?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,078
    edited March 2017
    HYUFD said:

    Just let this sink in. Corbyn trails May by 53% IN LONDON.

    May is clearly more popular than her party in London, Corbyn well behind his
    Impossible, the women's auxiliary palistinian solidarity movement (marxist-leninist) of the Islington Brighton alliance always say how great he is.

    Edit - curse you, MD, it was an obvious joke, but it was my turn!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,686
    HYUFD said:

    Chuka Umunna is running a one man campaign to become the leader of the centre-left stay in the single market.

    https://twitter.com/chukaumunna/status/847777164015566850

    Chuka's plan is to become Labour leader in 2021, PM in 2025 and take the UK back into the single market in 2026
    HMG need to referendum lock Brexit in.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    edited March 2017

    Is anywhere safe from the corbyn surge? At this rate labour might have to start worrying about those well known Tory targets such as liverpool....

    The Merseyside mayoral result will be somewhat flattering for Labour by having the popular Steve Rotheram as a candidate there. Still, I reckon there'll be a decent swing away from Labour there when he wins compared to the GE2015 aggregation
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    Good to see the DT jumping on the Nicola invoking Maggie line - you'd almost think that she'd set this up just so Ruth & the MSM would dutifully remind everybody in Scotland of Maggie - and that Ruth is actually a Tory !!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/30/nicola-sturgeon-signs-letter-theresa-may-demanding-second-independence/
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    edited March 2017

    HYUFD said:

    Chuka Umunna is running a one man campaign to become the leader of the centre-left stay in the single market.

    https://twitter.com/chukaumunna/status/847777164015566850

    Chuka's plan is to become Labour leader in 2021, PM in 2025 and take the UK back into the single market in 2026
    HMG need to referendum lock Brexit in.
    That would make no difference if Labour won with a manifesto commitment to return to the EEA and that is still technically Brexit
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956

    IIRC

    As part of The Treaty of Utrecht that ceded Gibraltar to us, didn't the deal also give us exclusivity on the slave trade in Spanish colonies in the Americas?

    If so, a bloody shameful deal, out of embarrassment we should give Gibraltar back.

    You're really not a fan of Gib or self-determination, are you....?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    surbiton said:

    wasd said:

    POLLING LONDON WITH @YouGov - Leader ratings
    Lucas: +13
    May: +9
    Farron: - 8
    Nuttall: -34
    Corbyn: -44
    [March 2017]
    http://bit.ly/2nD15Py

    Imagine what the Lib Dems could do with a more credible leader. At some point bringing back Clegg will surely be a good move.
    No. Anyone with a Tory taint will be disastrous.
    Hehe. No alternative government will be formed by an opposition that doesn't go after people who actually voted Tory in 2010 and 2015....
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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,237
    Ishmael_Z said:


    We don't have songbirds here in the UK any more anyway, because cats and because the RSPB has narrowed its own remit to the protection of raptors. In the circumstances I can't get very excited about the Cypriots harvesting some of theirs, though their methods do seem a bit harsh. Learning of the existence of the EU Birds Directive is one of those things that make one think Brexit isn't all bad.

    You're moving onto a subject you clearly don't know a great deal about, and I do.

    We don't have songbirds because there's hardly any habitat for them. Have you actually looked at what the countryside contains these days? Field after field containing one crop species, be it rye grass, oil seed rape or wheat. None of it much cop for the vast majority of wildlife. Big fields with little cover, good for big efficient machinery but not much cop for most wildlife. Vast use of insecticide, good for prophylactic farming but not much cop for wildlife, whose foodchain is being eradicated.

    Predators will only survive if there is sufficient prey in the landscape. It's density dependence, a fundamental ecological principle. That's probably why predators like kestrels and barn owls have declined. Like songbirds, the countryside is not an especially friendly place for the small mammals they eat. Think about how the countryside has changed from a diverse, intimate landscape to a hugely modified, simplified and still pretty but ecologically denuded one.

    However, yes a few predators have prospered, partly due to less persecution but also because the shooting industry feeds them and on a vast scale. By releasing millions of pheasants every year and providing all the associated feeders and crappy maize margins, this has provided a fabulous source of food for rats, foxes, buzzards, kites and various other omnivorous predators and scavengers. The scale of pheasant releases has increased massively since the 70s as pheasant shoots have become business. I suspect the net negative impact of the shooting industry on wildlife (which has not been quantified) is as devastating as that from agricultural intensification.

    Yeah, cats eat songbirds, but by and large the ones they eat are not the ones that are declining: blackbirds, dunnock, blue tit etc. It's more specialised species that have declined the most.

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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Reading across Labour's 2010 and 2015 results, combined with a spread of regional polls or subsamples they will be:

    Scotland: Tory support levels 1997-2015
    Wales: lose one in ten of 2015 voters
    North: lose one in four of 2015 voters
    Midlands: lose one in four of 2015 voters
    London: revert to 2010 result
    South and East: already hollowed to core at around 16-18%
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,133
    promising start for a soft brexit I see
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,133
    anybody in Gibralter better be taking Spanish lessons and learning how to cook paella
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