You seem to be under the impression that I'm upset that Camerons posturing on immigration has led to one in six Tories looking at his offer and choosing UKIP I'm not really He's damaging the country and is deeply embarrassing but that shouldn't be a party issue
No,I'm under the impression that a majority in this country want immigration cut and out of touch posters like you and the rest of pb labour are really out of touch with the grass root labour supporters who live in the real world of overcrowded cities and towns.
You keep trying to put pb tories in a box as clueless but on immigration tim,you and the rest of the pb labour are clueless on this subject.
@ALP The instance you mention is for Work-related visa whereas the current restrictions proposed are for visitor`s visa. It may help to reduce illegal immigration from India but also reduce tourists who generally arrive on visitor`s visas.
Now we have established that Australia, Canada and the USA all have the option to require applicants by foreign nationals for visitor visas and temporary work permits to post security bonds, please would Southam Observer, Surbiton and tim:
- agree the wording of an apology to Theresa May and the Home Office; - print it on a billboard sized poster; - attach it to tim's white Ford transit van (spares now only available from Turkey); - drive it around PB for twenty four hours to the satisfaction of all PBers.
P.S. Southam Observer can drive as he is the most reasonable of the three. P.P.S. SO is permitted to smoke Havana cigars while driving provided his stock of cigars is kept in a plain box without any form of advertising or branding thereon.
Now that the Cameroons have adopted New Labour's spin tactics on immigration and all three are hell-bent on starving Ukip of any publicity oxygen Ukip need a new tactic imo - something to stop the momentum grinding to a halt until the EU elections.
The only things i can think of are - Farage picking the most likely local election a week and spending a couple of days there - focusing on some relevant single-issue campaign with crossover appeal e.g. energy prices / windmills
Like hell I'll be falling for what labour says on this,the numbers from the new Eu countries is down to labour,why didn't labour put a waiting period on open borders from the new Eastern European countries like many other countries.
Your party cannot be trusted on immigration tim,you know that.
I am extremely happy that they didn't; just like Sweden, Ireland and Denmark. We joined the EU when the original treaty clearly enshrined free movement of labour. The Tories knew about this when they joined the EC in 1973 !
We don't have to be like the rest. We should be better. Not a small white island !
Exactly. We can try to win over tykejohnno by pretending we can stoip free movement of labour, and fail (see above), or we can tell it like it is - the modern world means people moving in and out, and anyone who tries to pretend they'll stop it is just lying.
Apparently Grosjean was fortunate not to get a grid penalty. His floor broke, but the stewards were satisfied it was the result of an accident.
Although Hungary isn't my favourite circuit, the grid's intriguingly poised. Nice jumble of cars at the start, Webber starts 10th and Di Resta's 18th. Pretty poor from the Scot, and he's half a second and 7 places down the road from his team mate.
Right now, if I were Ferrari, I'd be looking to Hulkenberg (assuming Massa is replaced shortly).
You seem to be under the impression that I'm upset that Camerons posturing on immigration has led to one in six Tories looking at his offer and choosing UKIP I'm not really He's damaging the country and is deeply embarrassing but that shouldn't be a party issue
No,I'm under the impression that a majority in this country want immigration cut and out of touch posters like you and the rest of pb labour are really out of touch with the grass root labour supporters who live in the real world of overcrowded cities and towns.
You keep trying to put pb tories in a box as clueless but on immigration tim,you and the rest of the pb labour are clueless on this subject.
So do the Tories want to give 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians the right to move here or not? And do they want to judge India as "high risk" and Kosovo and Russia as "low risk" to try and win some headlines to divert the people from that simple fact?
I assume Kosovo isn't on the pilot list because of the relatively low volumes of Kosovan visitors to the UK. I assume the countries that are on the list have relatively large levels of visa applications. I'm pretty sure they haven't picked six countries at random.
As or this damaging the UK perhaps you could use your vast knowledge of economics to quantify this.
@ALP The instance you mention is for Work-related visa whereas the current restrictions proposed are for visitor`s visa. It may help to reduce illegal immigration from India but also reduce tourists who generally arrive on visitor`s visas.
Careful, SMukesh, there are no comfy seats in the back of tim's transit van.
I was attempting to establish the principle rather than give a detailed explanation of the scope of visa security bonds in each country.
The Australian example relates to a family visitor visa application, the US one to a combined visa and temporary work permit; and, the Canadian is non specific.
You seem to be under the impression that I'm upset that Camerons posturing on immigration has led to one in six Tories looking at his offer and choosing UKIP I'm not really He's damaging the country and is deeply embarrassing but that shouldn't be a party issue
No,I'm under the impression that a majority in this country want immigration cut and out of touch posters like you and the rest of pb labour are really out of touch with the grass root labour supporters who live in the real world of overcrowded cities and towns.
You keep trying to put pb tories in a box as clueless but on immigration tim,you and the rest of the pb labour are clueless on this subject.
So do the Tories want to give 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians the right to move here or not? And do they want to judge India as "high risk" and Kosovo and Russia as "low risk" to try and win some headlines to divert the people from that simple fact?
So do Labour want to give 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians the right to move here or not ?
We all can play your silly little game,you party can't win on immigration so your job on here is to cloud the subject.
Like hell I'll be falling for what labour says on this,the numbers from the new Eu countries is down to labour,why didn't labour put a waiting period on open borders from the new Eastern European countries like many other countries.
Your party cannot be trusted on immigration tim,you know that.
I am extremely happy that they didn't; just like Sweden, Ireland and Denmark. We joined the EU when the original treaty clearly enshrined free movement of labour. The Tories knew about this when they joined the EC in 1973 !
We don't have to be like the rest. We should be better. Not a small white island !
Exactly. We can try to win over tykejohnno by pretending we can stoip free movement of labour, and fail (see above), or we can tell it like it is - the modern world means people moving in and out, and anyone who tries to pretend they'll stop it is just lying.
We could easily stop free movement of Labour from the EU by coming out of the EU. We could easily stop the demand for illegal workers through exemplary sanctions of the employers of illegal workers - stopping the demand would stop the supply.
Like hell I'll be falling for what labour says on this,the numbers from the new Eu countries is down to labour,why didn't labour put a waiting period on open borders from the new Eastern European countries like many other countries.
Your party cannot be trusted on immigration tim,you know that.
I am extremely happy that they didn't; just like Sweden, Ireland and Denmark. We joined the EU when the original treaty clearly enshrined free movement of labour. The Tories knew about this when they joined the EC in 1973 !
We don't have to be like the rest. We should be better. Not a small white island !
Exactly. We can try to win over tykejohnno by pretending we can stoip free movement of labour, and fail (see above), or we can tell it like it is - the modern world means people moving in and out, and anyone who tries to pretend they'll stop it is just lying.
But your party could have stopped the free movement from the new eastern European countries.
'Britain under the Tories wants to be a small white island !'
When a moron plays the race card you know they have.lost the argument.
So, the six countries were chosen randomly , were they ? It still does not solve the Romanian and Bulgarian "problem" as you see it.
So many hundreds of thousands Poles came here and really helped the economy. I am sure the Romanians and Bulgarians would do the same as they would be as hard working as the Poles.
Just to let the PBTories salivate a bit; my cleaner is a Bulgarian. She works bloody hard !!
Like hell I'll be falling for what labour says on this,the numbers from the new Eu countries is down to labour,why didn't labour put a waiting period on open borders from the new Eastern European countries like many other countries.
Your party cannot be trusted on immigration tim,you know that.
I am extremely happy that they didn't; just like Sweden, Ireland and Denmark. We joined the EU when the original treaty clearly enshrined free movement of labour. The Tories knew about this when they joined the EC in 1973 !
We don't have to be like the rest. We should be better. Not a small white island !
Exactly. We can try to win over tykejohnno by pretending we can stoip free movement of labour, and fail (see above), or we can tell it like it is - the modern world means people moving in and out, and anyone who tries to pretend they'll stop it is just lying.
But your party could have stopped the free movement from the new eastern European countries.
They don't want to stop it. Saying it can't be stopped is a tactic.
'Britain under the Tories wants to be a small white island !'
When a moron plays the race card you know they have.lost the argument.
So, the six countries were chosen randomly , were they ? It still does not solve the Romanian and Bulgarian "problem" as you see it.
So many hundreds of thousands Poles came here and really helped the economy. I am sure the Romanians and Bulgarians would do the same as they would be as hard working as the Poles.
Just to let the PBTories salivate a bit; my cleaner is a Bulgarian. She works bloody hard !!
I assume they were chosen for being the countries with the highest number of people on tourist visas who disappeared into the illegal economy.
You seem to be under the impression that I'm upset that Camerons posturing on immigration has led to one in six Tories looking at his offer and choosing UKIP I'm not really He's damaging the country and is deeply embarrassing but that shouldn't be a party issue
No,I'm under the impression that a majority in this country want immigration cut and out of touch posters like you and the rest of pb labour are really out of touch with the grass root labour supporters who live in the real world of overcrowded cities and towns.
You keep trying to put pb tories in a box as clueless but on immigration tim,you and the rest of the pb labour are clueless on this subject.
So do the Tories want to give 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians the right to move here or not? And do they want to judge India as "high risk" and Kosovo and Russia as "low risk" to try and win some headlines to divert the people from that simple fact?
So do Labour want to give 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians the right to move here or not ?
We all can play your silly little game,you party can't win on immigration so your job on here is to cloud the subject.
Of course Labour do, and the Lib Dems, and the Tories. But the Tories are leaking votes to UKIP so they're trying to throw up chaff.
As for not winning on immigration, one in six Tory voters going to UKIP over immigration is a massive win for Labour.
Labour grass root supporter,maybe a majority of people who vote labour,do they want immigration cut ?
If so,it just proves how out of touch pb labour are with they voters.
Now we have established that Australia, Canada and the USA all have the option to require applicants by foreign nationals for visitor visas and temporary work permits to post security bonds, please would Southam Observer, Surbiton and tim:
- agree the wording of an apology to Theresa May and the Home Office; - print it on a billboard sized poster; - attach it to tim's white Ford transit van (spares now only available from Turkey); - drive it around PB for twenty four hours to the satisfaction of all PBers.
P.S. Southam Observer can drive as he is the most reasonable of the three. P.P.S. SO is permitted to smoke Havana cigars while driving provided his stock of cigars is kept in a plain box without any form of advertising or branding thereon.
Reading many of the posts on Conservativehome in a recent thread about May and Immigration , there are many who think touring areas with a large poster saying immigrants go home is not going far enough . Perhaps the next step would be making immigrants walk around with a yellow symbol on their front and back . This could be followed by forcing them all to live in certain clearly defined areas . There is a further stage if that does not force them all to go home voluntarily .
- drive it around PB for twenty four hours to the satisfaction of all PBers.
You are safe Hertsmere.
tim's role is navigator. And I am fairly certain he has never ventured anywhere south of Birmingham. Reaching Potters Bar would be beyond his competence,
'Britain under the Tories wants to be a small white island !'
When a moron plays the race card you know they have.lost the argument.
So, the six countries were chosen randomly , were they ? It still does not solve the Romanian and Bulgarian "problem" as you see it.
So many hundreds of thousands Poles came here and really helped the economy. I am sure the Romanians and Bulgarians would do the same as they would be as hard working as the Poles.
Just to let the PBTories salivate a bit; my cleaner is a Bulgarian. She works bloody hard !!
Now we have established that Australia, Canada and the USA all have the option to require applicants by foreign nationals for visitor visas and temporary work permits to post security bonds, please would Southam Observer, Surbiton and tim:
- agree the wording of an apology to Theresa May and the Home Office; - print it on a billboard sized poster; - attach it to tim's white Ford transit van (spares now only available from Turkey); - drive it around PB for twenty four hours to the satisfaction of all PBers.
P.S. Southam Observer can drive as he is the most reasonable of the three. P.P.S. SO is permitted to smoke Havana cigars while driving provided his stock of cigars is kept in a plain box without any form of advertising or branding thereon.
Reading many of the posts on Conservativehome in a recent thread about May and Immigration , there are many who think touring areas with a large poster saying immigrants go home is not going far enough . Perhaps the next step would be making immigrants walk around with a yellow symbol on their front and back . This could be followed by forcing them all to live in certain clearly defined areas . There is a further stage if that does not force them all to go home voluntarily .
Mark, there are some who would not say it but that would reflect their personal view. The Tories are deliberately whipping up immigration. The black commonwealth countries have been singled out because they are impotent against Romanians and Bulgarians coming in here.
No one seems to be addressing the issue of who will pay the taxes and as the ratio of workers to pensioners keep falling.
Now we have established that Australia, Canada and the USA all have the option to require applicants by foreign nationals for visitor visas and temporary work permits to post security bonds, please would Southam Observer, Surbiton and tim:
- agree the wording of an apology to Theresa May and the Home Office; - print it on a billboard sized poster; - attach it to tim's white Ford transit van (spares now only available from Turkey); - drive it around PB for twenty four hours to the satisfaction of all PBers.
P.S. Southam Observer can drive as he is the most reasonable of the three. P.P.S. SO is permitted to smoke Havana cigars while driving provided his stock of cigars is kept in a plain box without any form of advertising or branding thereon.
Reading many of the posts on Conservativehome in a recent thread about May and Immigration , there are many who think touring areas with a large poster saying immigrants go home is not going far enough . Perhaps the next step would be making immigrants walk around with a yellow symbol on their front and back . This could be followed by forcing them all to live in certain clearly defined areas . There is a further stage if that does not force them all to go home voluntarily .
A tremendous parody of the average poster on Comment is Free! Well done Mark!
"Some 33% said they approved of Cameron's performance as prime minister against just 22% who said they were positive about Miliband's leadership of Labour, while 13% approved of Nick Clegg's stewardship of the Lib Dems.
For much of the spring and early summer Cameron's lead over Miliband was in low single figures. But now it appears to have stretched as better economic news has come through and the Tories have appeared more united over issues such as Europe.
Voters were also asked whether their views of each party had become more positive or negative over the last year.
There was little cheer for any of the three major, established parties, although the trend for Labour was less sharply negative than for the Tories or Lib Dems.
Among voters, 41% reported no change in their attitude to the Labour party, while 20% said they were more positive and 34% more negative. Only 18% were more positive about the Tories while 42% regarded them more negatively.
For the Lib Dems just 7% felt more positive about them and 47% more negative.
Only Ukip came out well on the year-on-year question: 30% said they had a more positive of Nigel Farage's party against 25% who view them more negatively than 12 months ago."
Now we have established that Australia, Canada and the USA all have the option to require applicants by foreign nationals for visitor visas and temporary work permits to post security bonds, please would Southam Observer, Surbiton and tim:
- agree the wording of an apology to Theresa May and the Home Office; - print it on a billboard sized poster; - attach it to tim's white Ford transit van (spares now only available from Turkey); - drive it around PB for twenty four hours to the satisfaction of all PBers.
P.S. Southam Observer can drive as he is the most reasonable of the three. P.P.S. SO is permitted to smoke Havana cigars while driving provided his stock of cigars is kept in a plain box without any form of advertising or branding thereon.
Reading many of the posts on Conservativehome in a recent thread about May and Immigration , there are many who think touring areas with a large poster saying immigrants go home is not going far enough . Perhaps the next step would be making immigrants walk around with a yellow symbol on their front and back . This could be followed by forcing them all to live in certain clearly defined areas . There is a further stage if that does not force them all to go home voluntarily .
Mark, there are some who would not say it but that would reflect their personal view. The Tories are deliberately whipping up immigration. The black commonwealth countries have been singled out because they are impotent against Romanians and Bulgarians coming in here.
No one seems to be addressing the issue of who will pay the taxes and as the ratio of workers to pensioners keep falling.
Tories deliberately whipping up immigration
On pb,every time I come on here and immigration is the subject,a certain labour poster nearly all of the time starts it.
'So, the six countries were chosen randomly , were they ? It still does not solve the Romanian and Bulgarian "problem" as you see it.'
Presumably the six countries were chosen because their citizens account for a high proportion of illegal immigrants in the UK.
I know it's pushing the boundaries,but how hard is it to get you head around the fact that some Romanians & Bulgarians have the right under the EU to work here now (and all from 1.1.14),but not all Nigerians & Indians.
Wonderful to know that your Bulgarian cleaner works hard. .
Now we have established that Australia, Canada and the USA all have the option to require applicants by foreign nationals for visitor visas and temporary work permits to post security bonds, please would Southam Observer, Surbiton and tim:
- agree the wording of an apology to Theresa May and the Home Office; - print it on a billboard sized poster; - attach it to tim's white Ford transit van (spares now only available from Turkey); - drive it around PB for twenty four hours to the satisfaction of all PBers.
P.S. Southam Observer can drive as he is the most reasonable of the three. P.P.S. SO is permitted to smoke Havana cigars while driving provided his stock of cigars is kept in a plain box without any form of advertising or branding thereon.
Reading many of the posts on Conservativehome in a recent thread about May and Immigration , there are many who think touring areas with a large poster saying immigrants go home is not going far enough . Perhaps the next step would be making immigrants walk around with a yellow symbol on their front and back . This could be followed by forcing them all to live in certain clearly defined areas . There is a further stage if that does not force them all to go home voluntaI rily .
Mark, I appear to have flagged your post as "off topic" which quite evidently it is not. My apologies. It happened by accident and I can't work out how to reverse it.
However, I do feel your recommendations may be a little out of date if not off topic, but this may only be a metropolitan view held outside the confines of Worthing.
I also feel the details of your proposals might be better discussed on blogs other than PB. I am afraid I can't advise on which blogs in particular would be suitable but Sir Roderick will be along in a couple of hours and may be able to help you.
Now we have established that Australia, Canada and the USA all have the option to require applicants by foreign nationals for visitor visas and temporary work permits to post security bonds, please would Southam Observer, Surbiton and tim:
- agree the wording of an apology to Theresa May and the Home Office; - print it on a billboard sized poster; - attach it to tim's white Ford transit van (spares now only available from Turkey); - drive it around PB for twenty four hours to the satisfaction of all PBers.
P.S. Southam Observer can drive as he is the most reasonable of the three. P.P.S. SO is permitted to smoke Havana cigars while driving provided his stock of cigars is kept in a plain box without any form of advertising or branding thereon.
Reading many of the posts on Conservativehome in a recent thread about May and Immigration , there are many who think touring areas with a large poster saying immigrants go home is not going far enough . Perhaps the next step would be making immigrants walk around with a yellow symbol on their front and back . This could be followed by forcing them all to live in certain clearly defined areas . There is a further stage if that does not force them all to go home voluntarily .
Mark, there are some who would not say it but that would reflect their personal view. The Tories are deliberately whipping up immigration. The black commonwealth countries have been singled out because they are impotent against Romanians and Bulgarians coming in here.
No one seems to be addressing the issue of who will pay the taxes and as the ratio of workers to pensioners keep falling.
And what do labour grass root want on immigration,labour pb are really out of touch with they own voters - laughable.
"Some 33% said they approved of Cameron's performance as prime minister against just 22% who said they were positive about Miliband's leadership of Labour, while 13% approved of Nick Clegg's stewardship of the Lib Dems.
For much of the spring and early summer Cameron's lead over Miliband was in low single figures. But now it appears to have stretched as better economic news has come through and the Tories have appeared more united over issues such as Europe.
Voters were also asked whether their views of each party had become more positive or negative over the last year.
There was little cheer for any of the three major, established parties, although the trend for Labour was less sharply negative than for the Tories or Lib Dems.
Among voters, 41% reported no change in their attitude to the Labour party, while 20% said they were more positive and 34% more negative. Only 18% were more positive about the Tories while 42% regarded them more negatively.
For the Lib Dems just 7% felt more positive about them and 47% more negative.
Only Ukip came out well on the year-on-year question: 30% said they had a more positive of Nigel Farage's party against 25% who view them more negatively than 12 months ago."
"Among voters, 41% reported no change in their attitude to the Labour party, while 20% said they were more positive and 34% more negative. Only 18% were more positive about the Tories while 42% regarded them more negatively.
For the Lib Dems just 7% felt more positive about them and 47% more negative."
- drive it around PB for twenty four hours to the satisfaction of all PBers.
You are safe Hertsmere.
tim's role is navigator. And I am fairly certain he has never ventured anywhere south of Birmingham. Reaching Potters Bar would be beyond his competence,
Exactly. We can try to win over tykejohnno by pretending we can stoip free movement of labour, and fail (see above), or we can tell it like it is - the modern world means people moving in and out, and anyone who tries to pretend they'll stop it is just lying.
We could easily stop free movement of Labour from the EU by coming out of the EU.
By coming out of the EU and the EEA, yes. I'm against doing that. The Tories are against doing that. The difference is that they pretend that there is something they can do anyway. What would we gain by joining the fraud?
I agree with you on exemplary punishment for employers of illegal labour, though.
We haven't discussed the release of the Lockerbie bomber for a while
Lockerbie bomber release linked to arms deal, according to secret letter
An email sent by the then British ambassador in Tripoli details how a prisoner transfer agreement would be signed once Libya “fulfils its promise” to buy an air defence system.
The disclosure is embarrassing for members of the then Labour government, which always insisted that Abdelbaset al-Megrahi’s release was not linked to commercial deals.
We haven't discussed the release of the Lockerbie bomber for a while
Lockerbie bomber release linked to arms deal, according to secret letter
An email sent by the then British ambassador in Tripoli details how a prisoner transfer agreement would be signed once Libya “fulfils its promise” to buy an air defence system.
The disclosure is embarrassing for members of the then Labour government, which always insisted that Abdelbaset al-Megrahi’s release was not linked to commercial deals.
Exactly. We can try to win over tykejohnno by pretending we can stoip free movement of labour, and fail (see above), or we can tell it like it is - the modern world means people moving in and out, and anyone who tries to pretend they'll stop it is just lying.
We could easily stop free movement of Labour from the EU by coming out of the EU.
By coming out of the EU and the EEA, yes. I'm against doing that. The Tories are against doing that. The difference is that they pretend that there is something they can do anyway. What would we gain by joining the fraud?
I agree with you on exemplary punishment for employers of illegal labour, though.
So we could stop it but you are against it. So people saying we could stop it aren't lying. The people saying we can't stop it are lying.
Or, as a compromise the people who say we can stop it without coming out of the EU are lying.
Mr. Eagles, just commissioned the cover of my next book. Was torn over the question of whether the bounder should have a moustache or not. Decided against, for the time being, but it's the sort of thing that could be added later, if necessary. [The protagonist is an utter bounder].
We haven't discussed the release of the Lockerbie bomber for a while
Lockerbie bomber release linked to arms deal, according to secret letter
An email sent by the then British ambassador in Tripoli details how a prisoner transfer agreement would be signed once Libya “fulfils its promise” to buy an air defence system.
The disclosure is embarrassing for members of the then Labour government, which always insisted that Abdelbaset al-Megrahi’s release was not linked to commercial deals.
Now we have established that Australia, Canada and the USA all have the option to require applicants by foreign nationals for visitor visas and temporary work permits to post security bonds, please would Southam Observer, Surbiton and tim:
- agree the wording of an apology to Theresa May and the Home Office; - print it on a billboard sized poster; - attach it to tim's white Ford transit van (spares now only available from Turkey); - drive it around PB for twenty four hours to the satisfaction of all PBers.
P.S. Southam Observer can drive as he is the most reasonable of the three. P.P.S. SO is permitted to smoke Havana cigars while driving provided his stock of cigars is kept in a plain box without any form of advertising or branding thereon.
Reading many of the posts on Conservativehome in a recent thread about May and Immigration , there are many who think touring areas with a large poster saying immigrants go home is not going far enough . Perhaps the next step would be making immigrants walk around with a yellow symbol on their front and back . This could be followed by forcing them all to live in certain clearly defined areas . There is a further stage if that does not force them all to go home voluntarily .
Mark, there are some who would not say it but that would reflect their personal view. The Tories are deliberately whipping up immigration. The black commonwealth countries have been singled out because they are impotent against Romanians and Bulgarians coming in here.
No one seems to be addressing the issue of who will pay the taxes and as the ratio of workers to pensioners keep falling.
It's a guess but i'd expect the shadow economy to be a very large net tax loss.
Mr. Eagles, just commissioned the cover of my next book. Was torn over the question of whether the bounder should have a moustache or not. Decided against, for the time being, but it's the sort of thing that could be added later, if necessary. [The protagonist is an utter bounder].
Now we have established that Australia, Canada and the USA all have the option to require applicants by foreign nationals for visitor visas and temporary work permits to post security bonds, please would Southam Observer, Surbiton and tim:
- agree the wording of an apology to Theresa May and the Home Office; - print it on a billboard sized poster; - attach it to tim's white Ford transit van (spares now only available from Turkey); - drive it around PB for twenty four hours to the satisfaction of all PBers.
P.S. Southam Observer can drive as he is the most reasonable of the three. P.P.S. SO is permitted to smoke Havana cigars while driving provided his stock of cigars is kept in a plain box without any form of advertising or branding thereon.
Reading many of the posts on Conservativehome in a recent thread about May and Immigration , there are many who think touring areas with a large poster saying immigrants go home is not going far enough . Perhaps the next step would be making immigrants walk around with a yellow symbol on their front and back . This could be followed by forcing them all to live in certain clearly defined areas . There is a further stage if that does not force them all to go home voluntarily .
Mark, you seem to have deliberately omitted the word "illegal". What you should have wrote is:
I hope so, and hope it's enough. I voted for NPxMP for at least one general election more than he deserved thanks to the ghastly Pauline Latham, and quite frankly, I don't believe either he or his party deserve another chance. No doubt Ms Soubry is far from perfect either, but both her and her party deserve more time to try and sort out the mess they inherited.
Since it is Type 1, she must have had it for a long time probably since childhood. Why make the disclosure now ?
Not necessarily. A friend of mine got type 1 diabetes when she was in her late 30s or early 40s. They're not sure why it started, but the theory is that an autoimmune response to some viral infection knocked out her pancreas.
I hope so, and hope it's enough. I voted for NPxMP for at least one general election more than he deserved thanks to the ghastly Pauline Latham, and quite frankly, I don't believe either he or his party deserve another chance. No doubt Ms Soubry is far from perfect either, but both her and her party deserve more time to try and sort out the mess they inherited.
I hope Nick gets the nomination and in due time beats Ms. Soubry.
But one thing I would say she is probably the most agreeable Tory MP I can think of save Mr Clarke himself.
Mr. Eagles, just commissioned the cover of my next book. Was torn over the question of whether the bounder should have a moustache or not. Decided against, for the time being, but it's the sort of thing that could be added later, if necessary. [The protagonist is an utter bounder].
Tasches are making a comeback.
I hope not! Like a lot of Scots my facial hair grows in ginger which looks a bit daft with my brown hair! Not a good look.
Mr. Eagles, just commissioned the cover of my next book. Was torn over the question of whether the bounder should have a moustache or not. Decided against, for the time being, but it's the sort of thing that could be added later, if necessary. [The protagonist is an utter bounder].
Tasches are making a comeback.
I hope not! Like a lot of Scots my facial hair grows in ginger which looks a bit daft with my brown hair! Not a good look.
. Perhaps the next step would be making immigrants walk around with a yellow symbol on their front and back . This could be followed by forcing them all to live in certain clearly defined areas . There is a further stage if that does not force them all to go home voluntarily .
Mark, Don't give them ideas
We should be frightened of the socialist when it comes to them idea's.
Since it is Type 1, she must have had it for a long time probably since childhood. Why make the disclosure now ?
Not necessarily. A friend of mine got type 1 diabetes when she was in her late 30s or early 40s. They're not sure why it started, but the theory is that an autoimmune response to some viral infection knocked out her pancreas.
She probably had it for longer but had not noticed. The viral infection indeed may have indeed made it worse.
Does Theresa May have Scandinavian ancestry by any chance ?
I hope so, and hope it's enough. I voted for NPxMP for at least one general election more than he deserved thanks to the ghastly Pauline Latham, and quite frankly, I don't believe either he or his party deserve another chance. No doubt Ms Soubry is far from perfect either, but both her and her party deserve more time to try and sort out the mess they inherited.
I hope Nick gets the nomination and in due time beats Ms. Soubry.
But one thing I would say she is probably the most agreeable Tory MP I can think of save Mr Clarke himself.
Mr. Eagles, just commissioned the cover of my next book. Was torn over the question of whether the bounder should have a moustache or not. Decided against, for the time being, but it's the sort of thing that could be added later, if necessary. [The protagonist is an utter bounder].
Tasches are making a comeback.
I hope not! Like a lot of Scots my facial hair grows in ginger which looks a bit daft with my brown hair! Not a good look.
I hope so, and hope it's enough. I voted for NPxMP for at least one general election more than he deserved thanks to the ghastly Pauline Latham, and quite frankly, I don't believe either he or his party deserve another chance. No doubt Ms Soubry is far from perfect either, but both her and her party deserve more time to try and sort out the mess they inherited.
I hope Nick gets the nomination and in due time beats Ms. Soubry.
But one thing I would say she is probably the most agreeable Tory MP I can think of save Mr Clarke himself.
I thought you were a fan of Andrea Leadsom (for being so anti-Osborne). Anyway, I see you've deleted your revolting post: you might ask Senior to do the same.
Mr. Eagles, just commissioned the cover of my next book. Was torn over the question of whether the bounder should have a moustache or not. Decided against, for the time being, but it's the sort of thing that could be added later, if necessary. [The protagonist is an utter bounder].
Tasches are making a comeback.
I hope not! Like a lot of Scots my facial hair grows in ginger which looks a bit daft with my brown hair! Not a good look.
Gingers are awesome.
I've tried.
I married a ginger, ginger bullying seems acceptable and Harman's attack gave those bullies succour.
Mr. Eagles, just commissioned the cover of my next book. Was torn over the question of whether the bounder should have a moustache or not. Decided against, for the time being, but it's the sort of thing that could be added later, if necessary. [The protagonist is an utter bounder].
Tasches are making a comeback.
I hope not! Like a lot of Scots my facial hair grows in ginger which looks a bit daft with my brown hair! Not a good look.
Gingers are awesome.
I'll give you Billy Bremner (albeit a poor man's Dave MacKay!) and Isla Fisher.
Mr. Eagles, just commissioned the cover of my next book. Was torn over the question of whether the bounder should have a moustache or not. Decided against, for the time being, but it's the sort of thing that could be added later, if necessary. [The protagonist is an utter bounder].
Tasches are making a comeback.
I hope not! Like a lot of Scots my facial hair grows in ginger which looks a bit daft with my brown hair! Not a good look.
Gingers are awesome.
I'll give you Billy Bremner (albeit a poor man's Dave MacKay!) and Isla Fisher.
The Crime Survey for England and Wales' results from last week also show continuing large falls in illegal drug use - young people down 15% (from 19.3% to 16.3%) and down 8% (from 8.9% to 8.2%). The methodology is based on a large random anonymous survey - and since it reported at one point 30% of respondents having taken an illegal drug, it is unlikely to be systematically that far from the truth.
Yeah there's been a lot of chat in eduland about that article today. (There's a lot more behind it too...). Research doesn't back up the positive ipad spin. Anyway, I use tech as little as possible in lessons, and when I do I make sure there's a tight focus. Imo the use of tech has been a fecking disaster in schools.* Not least for teachers because of all the bloody data it churns out (with all the related pointless soul-destroying admin) to little positive effect.
*of course there's the 'guns don't kill people...' argument. I'm not saying tech itself is the problem.
Mr. Eagles, just commissioned the cover of my next book. Was torn over the question of whether the bounder should have a moustache or not. Decided against, for the time being, but it's the sort of thing that could be added later, if necessary. [The protagonist is an utter bounder].
Tasches are making a comeback.
I hope not! Like a lot of Scots my facial hair grows in ginger which looks a bit daft with my brown hair! Not a good look.
Gingers are awesome.
I'll give you Billy Bremner (albeit a poor man's Dave MacKay!) and Isla Fisher.
I give you Karen Gillan and Christina Hendricks
and the best ginger of them all,stuart McCall ;-) (if you look to the left of my post,you will see a nice photo of him)
Yeah there's been a lot of chat in eduland about that article today. (There's a lot more behind it too...). Research doesn't back up the positive ipad spin. Anyway, I use tech as little as possible in lessons, and when I do I make sure there's a tight focus. Imo the use of tech has been a fecking disaster in schools.* Not least for teachers because of all the bloody data it churns out (with all the related pointless soul-destroying admin) to little positive effect.
*of course there's the 'guns don't kill people...' argument. I'm not saying tech itself is the problem.
Mr. Eagles, just commissioned the cover of my next book. Was torn over the question of whether the bounder should have a moustache or not. Decided against, for the time being, but it's the sort of thing that could be added later, if necessary. [The protagonist is an utter bounder].
Tasches are making a comeback.
I hope not! Like a lot of Scots my facial hair grows in ginger which looks a bit daft with my brown hair! Not a good look.
Gingers are awesome.
I'll give you Billy Bremner (albeit a poor man's Dave MacKay!) and Isla Fisher.
I give you Karen Gillan and Christina Hendricks
and the best ginger of them all,stuart McCall ;-) (if you look to the left of my post,you will see a nice photo of him)
But he scored against the mighty Pool in the 89 Cup final
Thanks for The Aussie Liverpool video the other night.
Had gone to bed by the time you posted it.
Was a lovely thing to wake up to on Thursday morning
Mr. Eagles, just commissioned the cover of my next book. Was torn over the question of whether the bounder should have a moustache or not. Decided against, for the time being, but it's the sort of thing that could be added later, if necessary. [The protagonist is an utter bounder].
Tasches are making a comeback.
I hope not! Like a lot of Scots my facial hair grows in ginger which looks a bit daft with my brown hair! Not a good look.
Gingers are awesome.
I'll give you Billy Bremner (albeit a poor man's Dave MacKay!) and Isla Fisher.
I give you Karen Gillan and Christina Hendricks
and the best ginger of them all,stuart McCall ;-) (if you look to the left of my post,you will see a nice photo of him)
He was a great player - doing a great job at Motherwell now. Shocking, shocking hair cut.
Even going to a school with good teachers, I did find that technology would generally occupy time that distracted from the actual teaching. So I think if thing is going to be more widespread, we're going to have to get better at using/integrating it.
'Her decision to talk candidly about her condition, which she learned she had last November, stems partly from comments about her two-stone weight loss, which was initially seen by some as preparation for a Conservative leadership campaign.
Part of her weight loss was, in fact, a result of the diabetes. She said: “This was not some great Machiavellian plan.There is no leadership bid.
Mrs May, who is married to Philip, a banker, had begun a new diet and fitness regime before being told she had the condition.'
'Her decision to talk candidly about her condition, which she learned she had last November, stems partly from comments about her two-stone weight loss, which was initially seen by some as preparation for a Conservative leadership campaign.
Part of her weight loss was, in fact, a result of the diabetes. She said: “This was not some great Machiavellian plan.There is no leadership bid.
Mrs May, who is married to Philip, a banker, had begun a new diet and fitness regime before being told she had the condition.'
Mr. Eagles, just commissioned the cover of my next book. Was torn over the question of whether the bounder should have a moustache or not. Decided against, for the time being, but it's the sort of thing that could be added later, if necessary. [The protagonist is an utter bounder].
Tasches are making a comeback.
I hope not! Like a lot of Scots my facial hair grows in ginger which looks a bit daft with my brown hair! Not a good look.
Gingers are awesome.
I'll give you Billy Bremner (albeit a poor man's Dave MacKay!) and Isla Fisher.
I give you Karen Gillan and Christina Hendricks
and the best ginger of them all,stuart McCall ;-) (if you look to the left of my post,you will see a nice photo of him)
But he scored against the mighty Pool in the 89 Cup final
Thanks for The Aussie Liverpool video the other night.
Had gone to bed by the time you posted it.
Was a lovely thing to wake up to on Thursday morning
Any time mr eagles,bet it made you proud to be a Liverpool fan,not many clubs could pull that sort of support and then sing the Liverpool anthem ;-)
Mr. Eagles, just commissioned the cover of my next book. Was torn over the question of whether the bounder should have a moustache or not. Decided against, for the time being, but it's the sort of thing that could be added later, if necessary. [The protagonist is an utter bounder].
Tasches are making a comeback.
I hope not! Like a lot of Scots my facial hair grows in ginger which looks a bit daft with my brown hair! Not a good look.
Gingers are awesome.
I'll give you Billy Bremner (albeit a poor man's Dave MacKay!) and Isla Fisher.
I give you Karen Gillan and Christina Hendricks
and the best ginger of them all,stuart McCall ;-) (if you look to the left of my post,you will see a nice photo of him)
But he scored against the mighty Pool in the 89 Cup final
Thanks for The Aussie Liverpool video the other night.
Had gone to bed by the time you posted it.
Was a lovely thing to wake up to on Thursday morning
Any time mr eagles,bet it made you proud to be a Liverpool fan,not many clubs could pull that sort of support and then sing the Liverpool anthem ;-)
Mr. Eagles, just commissioned the cover of my next book. Was torn over the question of whether the bounder should have a moustache or not. Decided against, for the time being, but it's the sort of thing that could be added later, if necessary. [The protagonist is an utter bounder].
Tasches are making a comeback.
I hope not! Like a lot of Scots my facial hair grows in ginger which looks a bit daft with my brown hair! Not a good look.
Mr. Eagles, just commissioned the cover of my next book. Was torn over the question of whether the bounder should have a moustache or not. Decided against, for the time being, but it's the sort of thing that could be added later, if necessary. [The protagonist is an utter bounder].
Tasches are making a comeback.
I hope not! Like a lot of Scots my facial hair grows in ginger which looks a bit daft with my brown hair! Not a good look.
Gingers are awesome.
I'll give you Billy Bremner (albeit a poor man's Dave MacKay!) and Isla Fisher.
I give you Karen Gillan and Christina Hendricks
and the best ginger of them all,stuart McCall ;-) (if you look to the left of my post,you will see a nice photo of him)
He was a great player - doing a great job at Motherwell now. Shocking, shocking hair cut.
Max,stuart was a great player ,everton let him go to early when he joined rangers,my photo profile is of stuart after he got smacked my one of his own team mates ;-) what a player ;-)
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You keep trying to put pb tories in a box as clueless but on immigration tim,you and the rest of the pb labour are clueless on this subject.
The instance you mention is for Work-related visa whereas the current restrictions proposed are for visitor`s visa.
It may help to reduce illegal immigration from India but also reduce tourists who generally arrive on visitor`s visas.
- agree the wording of an apology to Theresa May and the Home Office;
- print it on a billboard sized poster;
- attach it to tim's white Ford transit van (spares now only available from Turkey);
- drive it around PB for twenty four hours to the satisfaction of all PBers.
P.S. Southam Observer can drive as he is the most reasonable of the three.
P.P.S. SO is permitted to smoke Havana cigars while driving provided his stock of cigars is kept in a plain box without any form of advertising or branding thereon.
The only things i can think of are
- Farage picking the most likely local election a week and spending a couple of days there
- focusing on some relevant single-issue campaign with crossover appeal e.g. energy prices / windmills
Apparently Grosjean was fortunate not to get a grid penalty. His floor broke, but the stewards were satisfied it was the result of an accident.
Although Hungary isn't my favourite circuit, the grid's intriguingly poised. Nice jumble of cars at the start, Webber starts 10th and Di Resta's 18th. Pretty poor from the Scot, and he's half a second and 7 places down the road from his team mate.
Right now, if I were Ferrari, I'd be looking to Hulkenberg (assuming Massa is replaced shortly).
As or this damaging the UK perhaps you could use your vast knowledge of economics to quantify this.
Although I do know a guy with a printing firm who could do him a good price
I was attempting to establish the principle rather than give a detailed explanation of the scope of visa security bonds in each country.
The Australian example relates to a family visitor visa application, the US one to a combined visa and temporary work permit; and, the Canadian is non specific.
We all can play your silly little game,you party can't win on immigration so your job on here is to cloud the subject.
'Britain under the Tories wants to be a small white island !'
When a moron plays the race card you know they have lost the argument.
We could easily stop the demand for illegal workers through exemplary sanctions of the employers of illegal workers - stopping the demand would stop the supply.
So many hundreds of thousands Poles came here and really helped the economy. I am sure the Romanians and Bulgarians would do the same as they would be as hard working as the Poles.
Just to let the PBTories salivate a bit; my cleaner is a Bulgarian. She works bloody hard !!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/10206708/Confidence-in-British-monarchy-at-all-time-high-poll-shows.html
If so,it just proves how out of touch pb labour are with they voters.
tim's role is navigator. And I am fairly certain he has never ventured anywhere south of Birmingham. Reaching Potters Bar would be beyond his competence,
No one seems to be addressing the issue of who will pay the taxes and as the ratio of workers to pensioners keep falling.
"Some 33% said they approved of Cameron's performance as prime minister against just 22% who said they were positive about Miliband's leadership of Labour, while 13% approved of Nick Clegg's stewardship of the Lib Dems.
For much of the spring and early summer Cameron's lead over Miliband was in low single figures. But now it appears to have stretched as better economic news has come through and the Tories have appeared more united over issues such as Europe.
Voters were also asked whether their views of each party had become more positive or negative over the last year.
There was little cheer for any of the three major, established parties, although the trend for Labour was less sharply negative than for the Tories or Lib Dems.
Among voters, 41% reported no change in their attitude to the Labour party, while 20% said they were more positive and 34% more negative. Only 18% were more positive about the Tories while 42% regarded them more negatively.
For the Lib Dems just 7% felt more positive about them and 47% more negative.
Only Ukip came out well on the year-on-year question: 30% said they had a more positive of Nigel Farage's party against 25% who view them more negatively than 12 months ago."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jul/27/opinion-poll-labour-lead-miliband
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/361223561978998784/photo/1
On pb,every time I come on here and immigration is the subject,a certain labour poster nearly all of the time starts it.
'So, the six countries were chosen randomly , were they ? It still does not solve the Romanian and Bulgarian "problem" as you see it.'
Presumably the six countries were chosen because their citizens account for a high proportion of illegal immigrants in the UK.
I know it's pushing the boundaries,but how hard is it to get you head around the fact that some Romanians & Bulgarians have the right under the EU to work here now (and all from 1.1.14),but not all Nigerians & Indians.
Wonderful to know that your Bulgarian cleaner works hard.
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However, I do feel your recommendations may be a little out of date if not off topic, but this may only be a metropolitan view held outside the confines of Worthing.
I also feel the details of your proposals might be better discussed on blogs other than PB. I am afraid I can't advise on which blogs in particular would be suitable but Sir Roderick will be along in a couple of hours and may be able to help you.
My best regards to your lady friend.
Nigel Farage to address Bruges group at Tory conference: http://gu.com/p/3hj3d/tf
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jul/27/nigel-farage-address-bruge-group?CMP=twt_fd
For the Lib Dems just 7% felt more positive about them and 47% more negative."
Opinium Poll / Guardian
I agree with you on exemplary punishment for employers of illegal labour, though.
Lockerbie bomber release linked to arms deal, according to secret letter
An email sent by the then British ambassador in Tripoli details how a prisoner transfer agreement would be signed once Libya “fulfils its promise” to buy an air defence system.
The disclosure is embarrassing for members of the then Labour government, which always insisted that Abdelbaset al-Megrahi’s release was not linked to commercial deals.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10206659/Lockerbie-bomber-release-linked-to-arms-deal-according-to-secret-letter.html
Is that post held by Murphy?
' Perhaps the next step would be making immigrants walk around with a yellow symbol on their front and back '
The Lib Dem cuckoo symbol?
Proper porn tasche as well.
Or, as a compromise the people who say we can stop it without coming out of the EU are lying.
He wants an excuse to delete Theresa May from history and end her leadership bid and he's going to use Teresa May as an excuse
(For the innocent, Teresa May is an actress who stars in niche films)
I already have my suspicions concerning your and Carola de Fenestrata's origins.
May would make it a Troika.
It's about 'man of peace' Blair and arms deals.
What do you make of this?
Schools ask parents to stump up £200 for iPads
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2013/jul/28/ipad-tablet-computer-school-parents?INTCMP=SRCH
a large poster saying illegal immigrants go home
I voted for NPxMP for at least one general election more than he deserved thanks to the ghastly Pauline Latham, and quite frankly, I don't believe either he or his party deserve another chance.
No doubt Ms Soubry is far from perfect either, but both her and her party deserve more time to try and sort out the mess they inherited.
CON 28 +1
LAB 39 +1
LD 8 +2
UKIP 16 -3
But one thing I would say she is probably the most agreeable Tory MP I can think of save Mr Clarke himself.
Does Theresa May have Scandinavian ancestry by any chance ?
I married a ginger, ginger bullying seems acceptable and Harman's attack gave those bullies succour.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/drug-misuse-findings-from-the-2012-to-2013-csew/drug-misuse-findings-from-the-2012-to-2013-crime-survey-for-england-and-wales
https://twitter.com/tamsinchan/status/348497884267819008/photo/1
*of course there's the 'guns don't kill people...' argument. I'm not saying tech itself is the problem.
Thanks for The Aussie Liverpool video the other night.
Had gone to bed by the time you posted it.
Was a lovely thing to wake up to on Thursday morning
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/82708/the_sunday_telegraph_sunday_28th_july_2013.html
https://twitter.com/tamsinchan/status/348497884267819008/photo/1
Part of her weight loss was, in fact, a result of the diabetes. She said: “This was not some great Machiavellian plan.There is no leadership bid.
Mrs May, who is married to Philip, a banker, had begun a new diet and fitness regime before being told she had the condition.'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10206822/Theresa-May-I-have-diabetes.html
But that was special.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/ginger-pride-walk-planned-in-edinburgh.21710348