I presume the same knobbers who think Germaine Greer is a disgrace to the causes of feminism and equality.
Probably not imo; GG would managed to be topless, sleeping with everybody in sight, and taken seriously at once.
Anyhoo, the Beeboids have misreported certain details - trolling for outrage-clicks as per, perhaps? The top on the cover isn't seethrough:
I'd say Watson's problem is that she is positioning herself as an English version of Charlotte Church, burbling on about a kind of hectoring feminism that most people rejected some time ago.
You aren't suggesting BBC doing a spot of Fake News?
A Russian politician has proposed legalising football hooliganism and turning it into a sport.
Igor Lebedev has drawn up rules for "draka" - the Russian word for fight - which he said would involve 20 unarmed competitors on each side in an organised brawl.
Mr. Urquhart, sounds like the new Turkish constitution would just formalise and recognise reality. How many of the judiciary, university lecturers, journalists, soldiers have been locked up, suspended or fired?
Frankly, I'd be surprised if Obama wasn't snooping in some way on the Trump campaign. This is the US that we're talking about. Of course, Trump was undoubtedly reciprocating. Why is anyone up in arms about this?
How could Trump have reciprocated? He didn't have the FBI at his disposal.
A Russian politician has proposed legalising football hooliganism and turning it into a sport.
Igor Lebedev has drawn up rules for "draka" - the Russian word for fight - which he said would involve 20 unarmed competitors on each side in an organised brawl.
Mr. Urquhart (2), in the 14th century an Englishman asked for an indulgence from the church for accidentally killing a friend of his during a football match. The friend ran into him so hard his dagger's sheath burst and the blade killed him.
In the French presidential election, once a nomination is in it may not be changed, even if the candidate withdraws. (Source.) It will be interesting on Tuesday when the Constitutional Court updates its list. A nomination for Juppé is precisely that, even if he hasn't said he is standing. Got to wonder whether LR central office has been on the phone to many mayors and other elected officials.
Frankly, I'd be surprised if Obama wasn't snooping in some way on the Trump campaign. This is the US that we're talking about. Of course, Trump was undoubtedly reciprocating. Why is anyone up in arms about this?
How could Trump have reciprocated? He didn't have the FBI at his disposal.
I know, but I'm sure The Donald knows a few black ops guys. Probably. Maybe.
Frankly, I'd be surprised if Obama wasn't snooping in some way on the Trump campaign. This is the US that we're talking about. Of course, Trump was undoubtedly reciprocating. Why is anyone up in arms about this?
How could Trump have reciprocated? He didn't have the FBI at his disposal.
I know, but I'm sure The Donald knows a few black ops guys. Probably. Maybe.
To accuse him of spying on a sitting president would take the Russian allegations to another level entirely!
Frankly, I'd be surprised if Obama wasn't snooping in some way on the Trump campaign. This is the US that we're talking about. Of course, Trump was undoubtedly reciprocating. Why is anyone up in arms about this?
How could Trump have reciprocated? He didn't have the FBI at his disposal.
I know, but I'm sure The Donald knows a few black ops guys. Probably. Maybe.
Called things like Sergei, Yury and Andrei and all with surnames ending in ...ov ?
Frankly, I'd be surprised if Obama wasn't snooping in some way on the Trump campaign. This is the US that we're talking about. Of course, Trump was undoubtedly reciprocating. Why is anyone up in arms about this?
How could Trump have reciprocated? He didn't have the FBI at his disposal.
I know, but I'm sure The Donald knows a few black ops guys. Probably. Maybe.
To accuse him of spying on a sitting president would take the Russian allegations to another level entirely!
I presume the same knobbers who think Germaine Greer is a disgrace to the causes of feminism and equality.
Probably not imo; GG would managed to be topless, sleeping with everybody in sight, and taken seriously at once.
Anyhoo, the Beeboids have misreported certain details - trolling for outrage-clicks as per, perhaps? The top on the cover isn't seethrough:
I'd say Watson's problem is that she is positioning herself as an English version of Charlotte Church, burbling on about a kind of hectoring feminism that most people rejected some time ago.
You aren't suggesting BBC doing a spot of Fake News?
Moi? :-)
Depends on your definition of Fake News.
I'm pointing out that the BBC are not - certainly on some areas of the website - particularly professional or accurate. I would make the same comment about the Today Programme.
The G deleted no fewer than 4 requests for evidence of that claim as "not meeting community standards", presumably because they requested a fact.
(*) Given the G, I cannot distinguish between deliberate lies, stupid lies, ignorant lies, and "swallowed some gibberish hook, line and sinker because they don't factcheck" lies.
Frankly, I'd be surprised if Obama wasn't snooping in some way on the Trump campaign. This is the US that we're talking about. Of course, Trump was undoubtedly reciprocating. Why is anyone up in arms about this?
How could Trump have reciprocated? He didn't have the FBI at his disposal.
I know, but I'm sure The Donald knows a few black ops guys. Probably. Maybe.
Called things like Sergei, Yury and Andrei and all with surnames ending in ...ov ?
FPT Artist said: 'It doesn't seem encouraging at all to me. Things were going OK for Corbyn in February 2016, if you look at the YouGov's during the last leadership contest, the released figures from Election Data so far don't show much of a drop at all. Corbyn would still win against a moderate by roughly 55/45, unbelievable. '
A Yougov poll of Labour members at the end of August 2016 showed 52% wanting to see him lead Labour into the next election. 41% did not. Today's poll has only 44% wanting him as leader at the election compared with 50% who do not. That represents a 9% swing against Corbyn in 6 months when Don't Knows are excluded.Pretty close to a tipping point I would think.
Wouldn't that still be 53/47 and even then it may be overstated by people who don't want him to go immediately. The +17 approval in today's poll means there hasn't been a sea change against Corbyn just days/weeks after a terrible election result and supporting the Tories on Brexit.
There will be an ocean change after we lose Gorton. Or, there will be another party. The Democrats.
Surely, even in the current climate, Labour won't come close to losing Gorton?!?! They held Stoke Central with room to spare, after all.
FPT Artist said: 'It doesn't seem encouraging at all to me. Things were going OK for Corbyn in February 2016, if you look at the YouGov's during the last leadership contest, the released figures from Election Data so far don't show much of a drop at all. Corbyn would still win against a moderate by roughly 55/45, unbelievable. '
A Yougov poll of Labour members at the end of August 2016 showed 52% wanting to see him lead Labour into the next election. 41% did not. Today's poll has only 44% wanting him as leader at the election compared with 50% who do not. That represents a 9% swing against Corbyn in 6 months when Don't Knows are excluded.Pretty close to a tipping point I would think.
Wouldn't that still be 53/47 and even then it may be overstated by people who don't want him to go immediately. The +17 approval in today's poll means there hasn't been a sea change against Corbyn just days/weeks after a terrible election result and supporting the Tories on Brexit.
There will be an ocean change after we lose Gorton. Or, there will be another party. The Democrats.
Surely, even in the current climate, Labour won't come close to losing Gorton?!?! They held Stoke Central with room to spare, after all.
FPT Artist said: 'It doesn't seem encouraging at all to me. Things were going OK for Corbyn in February 2016, if you look at the YouGov's during the last leadership contest, the released figures from Election Data so far don't show much of a drop at all. Corbyn would still win against a moderate by roughly 55/45, unbelievable. '
A Yougov poll of Labour members at the end of August 2016 showed 52% wanting to see him lead Labour into the next election. 41% did not. Today's poll has only 44% wanting him as leader at the election compared with 50% who do not. That represents a 9% swing against Corbyn in 6 months when Don't Knows are excluded.Pretty close to a tipping point I would think.
Wouldn't that still be 53/47 and even then it may be overstated by people who don't want him to go immediately. The +17 approval in today's poll means there hasn't been a sea change against Corbyn just days/weeks after a terrible election result and supporting the Tories on Brexit.
There will be an ocean change after we lose Gorton. Or, there will be another party. The Democrats.
Surely, even in the current climate, Labour won't come close to losing Gorton?!?! They held Stoke Central with room to spare, after all.
FPT Artist said: 'It doesn't seem encouraging at all to me. Things were going OK for Corbyn in February 2016, if you look at the YouGov's during the last leadership contest, the released figures from Election Data so far don't show much of a drop at all. Corbyn would still win against a moderate by roughly 55/45, unbelievable. '
A Yougov poll of Labour members at the end of August 2016 showed 52% wanting to see him lead Labour into the next election. 41% did not. Today's poll has only 44% wanting him as leader at the election compared with 50% who do not. That represents a 9% swing against Corbyn in 6 months when Don't Knows are excluded.Pretty close to a tipping point I would think.
Wouldn't that still be 53/47 and even then it may be overstated by people who don't want him to go immediately. The +17 approval in today's poll means there hasn't been a sea change against Corbyn just days/weeks after a terrible election result and supporting the Tories on Brexit.
There will be an ocean change after we lose Gorton. Or, there will be another party. The Democrats.
Surely, even in the current climate, Labour won't come close to losing Gorton?!?! They held Stoke Central with room to spare, after all.
Kaufman probably did have a personal vote, but it would probably need a George Galloway style competitor for Labour to lose it.
FPT Artist said: 'It doesn't seem encouraging at all to me. Things were going OK for Corbyn in February 2016, if you look at the YouGov's during the last leadership contest, the released figures from Election Data so far don't show much of a drop at all. Corbyn would still win against a moderate by roughly 55/45, unbelievable. '
A Yougov poll of Labour members at the end of August 2016 showed 52% wanting to see him lead Labour into the next election. 41% did not. Today's poll has only 44% wanting him as leader at the election compared with 50% who do not. That represents a 9% swing against Corbyn in 6 months when Don't Knows are excluded.Pretty close to a tipping point I would think.
Wouldn't that still be 53/47 and even then it may be overstated by people who don't want him to go immediately. The +17 approval in today's poll means there hasn't been a sea change against Corbyn just days/weeks after a terrible election result and supporting the Tories on Brexit.</blockquote According to last August's Yougov poll 5% of the total sample wanted Corbyn to step down before the election - despite intending to support him in that leadership election.
FPT Artist said: 'It doesn't seem encouraging at all to me. Things were going OK for Corbyn in February 2016, if you look at the YouGov's during the last leadership contest, the released figures from Election Data so far don't show much of a drop at all. Corbyn would still win against a moderate by roughly 55/45, unbelievable. '
A Yougov poll of Labour members at the end of August 2016 showed 52% wanting to see him lead Labour into the next election. 41% did not. Today's poll has only 44% wanting him as leader at the election compared with 50% who do not. That represents a 9% swing against Corbyn in 6 months when Don't Knows are excluded.Pretty close to a tipping point I would think.
Wouldn't that still be 53/47 and even then it may be overstated by people who don't want him to go immediately. The +17 approval in today's poll means there hasn't been a sea change against Corbyn just days/weeks after a terrible election result and supporting the Tories on Brexit.
There will be an ocean change after we lose Gorton. Or, there will be another party. The Democrats.
Surely, even in the current climate, Labour won't come close to losing Gorton?!?! They held Stoke Central with room to spare, after all.
Kaufman probably did have a personal vote, but it would probably need a George Galloway style competitor for Labour to lose it.
ISTR that someone posted a chart showing how Mr Kaufmann's vote had declined over the years, in the context of a discussion about a mandatory retirement age for MPs.
FPT Artist said: 'It doesn't seem encouraging at all to me. Things were going OK for Corbyn in February 2016, if you look at the YouGov's during the last leadership contest, the released figures from Election Data so far don't show much of a drop at all. Corbyn would still win against a moderate by roughly 55/45, unbelievable. '
A Yougov poll of Labour members at the end of August 2016 showed 52% wanting to see him lead Labour into the next election. 41% did not. Today's poll has only 44% wanting him as leader at the election compared with 50% who do not. That represents a 9% swing against Corbyn in 6 months when Don't Knows are excluded.Pretty close to a tipping point I would think.
Wouldn't that still be 53/47 and even then it may be overstated by people who don't want him to go immediately. The +17 approval in today's poll means there hasn't been a sea change against Corbyn just days/weeks after a terrible election result and supporting the Tories on Brexit.
There will be an ocean change after we lose Gorton. Or, there will be another party. The Democrats.
Surely, even in the current climate, Labour won't come close to losing Gorton?!?! They held Stoke Central with room to spare, after all.
Kaufman probably did have a personal vote, but it would probably need a George Galloway style competitor for Labour to lose it.
ISTR that someone posted a chart showing how Mr Kaufmann's vote had declined over the years, in the context of a discussion about a mandatory retirement age for MPs.
Good evening, everybody.
Yes, it declined from 65.3% in 1997 to 50.1% in 2010 before rebounding to 67.1% in 2015 thanks to the coalition.
FPT Artist said: 'It doesn't seem encouraging at all to me. Things were going OK for Corbyn in February 2016, if you look at the YouGov's during the last leadership contest, the released figures from Election Data so far don't show much of a drop at all. Corbyn would still win against a moderate by roughly 55/45, unbelievable. '
A Yougov poll of Labour members at the end of August 2016 showed 52% wanting to see him lead Labour into the next election. 41% did not. Today's poll has only 44% wanting him as leader at the election compared with 50% who do not. That represents a 9% swing against Corbyn in 6 months when Don't Knows are excluded.Pretty close to a tipping point I would think.
Wouldn't that still be 53/47 and even then it may be overstated by people who don't want him to go immediately. The +17 approval in today's poll means there hasn't been a sea change against Corbyn just days/weeks after a terrible election result and supporting the Tories on Brexit.
There will be an ocean change after we lose Gorton. Or, there will be another party. The Democrats.
Surely, even in the current climate, Labour won't come close to losing Gorton?!?! They held Stoke Central with room to spare, after all.
Expectations management, perhaps?
Possibly, but if so then it's pretty bloody desperate (although that said I seem to recall reports to the effect that Rebecca Long-Bailey was spinning heroically on similar lines this morning...)
FPT Artist said: 'It doesn't seem encouraging at all to me. Things were going OK for Corbyn in February 2016, if you look at the YouGov's during the last leadership contest, the released figures from Election Data so far don't show much of a drop at all. Corbyn would still win against a moderate by roughly 55/45, unbelievable. '
A Yougov poll of Labour members at the end of August 2016 showed 52% wanting to see him lead Labour into the next election. 41% did not. Today's poll has only 44% wanting him as leader at the election compared with 50% who do not. That represents a 9% swing against Corbyn in 6 months when Don't Knows are excluded.Pretty close to a tipping point I would think.
Wouldn't that still be 53/47 and even then it may be overstated by people who don't want him to go immediately. The +17 approval in today's poll means there hasn't been a sea change against Corbyn just days/weeks after a terrible election result and supporting the Tories on Brexit.
There will be an ocean change after we lose Gorton. Or, there will be another party. The Democrats.
Surely, even in the current climate, Labour won't come close to losing Gorton?!?! They held Stoke Central with room to spare, after all.
Kaufman probably did have a personal vote, but it would probably need a George Galloway style competitor for Labour to lose it.
ISTR that someone posted a chart showing how Mr Kaufmann's vote had declined over the years, in the context of a discussion about a mandatory retirement age for MPs.
Good evening, everybody.
Here are the numbers. The lower figures in 2005/10 were due to a large LD rise.
FPT Artist said: 'It doesn't seem encouraging at all to me. Things were going OK for Corbyn in February 2016, if you look at the YouGov's during the last leadership contest, the released figures from Election Data so far don't show much of a drop at all. Corbyn would still win against a moderate by roughly 55/45, unbelievable. '
A Yougov poll of Labour members at the end of August 2016 showed 52% wanting to see him lead Labour into the next election. 41% did not. Today's poll has only 44% wanting him as leader at the election compared with 50% who do not. That represents a 9% swing against Corbyn in 6 months when Don't Knows are excluded.Pretty close to a tipping point I would think.
Wouldn't that still be 53/47 and even then it may be overstated by people who don't want him to go immediately. The +17 approval in today's poll means there hasn't been a sea change against Corbyn just days/weeks after a terrible election result and supporting the Tories on Brexit.
There will be an ocean change after we lose Gorton. Or, there will be another party. The Democrats.
Surely, even in the current climate, Labour won't come close to losing Gorton?!?! They held Stoke Central with room to spare, after all.
Kaufman probably did have a personal vote, but it would probably need a George Galloway style competitor for Labour to lose it.
ISTR that someone posted a chart showing how Mr Kaufmann's vote had declined over the years, in the context of a discussion about a mandatory retirement age for MPs.
Good evening, everybody.
Yes, it declined from 65.3% in 1997 to 50.1% in 2010 before rebounding to 67.1% in 2015 thanks to the coalition.
Thanks. I (have) had a vague idea there was a ~50% in there somewhere, but hadn't remembered the leap in 2015.
That is a tricky one. I firmly believe everyone has the right to live their life as they want, but I also feel a bit uneasy that putting a dress on and calling yourself Shirley makes you a woman.
That is a tricky one. I firmly believe everyone has the right to live their life as they want, but I also feel a bit uneasy that putting a dress on and calling yourself Shirley makes you a woman.
People who have gone through a sex change very rarely decide they want to do so on a whim. Indeed the process takes years.
I presume the same knobbers who think Germaine Greer is a disgrace to the causes of feminism and equality.
Probably not imo.
Anyhoo, the Beeboids have misreported certain details - trolling for outrage-clicks as per, perhaps? The top on the cover isn't seethrough:
I'd say Watson's problem is that she is positioning herself as an English version of Charlotte Church, burbling on about a kind of hectoring feminism that most people rejected some time ago.
After all the outrage I went and looked at this picture on the Mail's website. I have a funny feeling that the real tits in this story are the journalists. They've been so busy commenting on Watson's clothes and breasts that they appear to have overlooked a strange line on her stomach that looks suspiciously like a stretch mark. If so, maybe we should be congratulating her on inter alia a very puckish sense of humour?
That is a tricky one. I firmly believe everyone has the right to live their life as they want, but I also feel a bit uneasy that putting a dress on and calling yourself Shirley makes you a woman.
It's a good job then it involves a little more than putting a dress on and calling yourself Shirley ...
As an aside, I had a colleague who prompted a story in one of the nationals that went something like: "Tomb raider woman was a man."
Ah, it was actually the much better: "SEX-SWAP SECRET OF CYBERBABE LARA INVENTOR"
I presume the same knobbers who think Germaine Greer is a disgrace to the causes of feminism and equality.
Probably not imo.
Anyhoo, the Beeboids have misreported certain details - trolling for outrage-clicks as per, perhaps? The top on the cover isn't seethrough:
I'd say Watson's problem is that she is positioning herself as an English version of Charlotte Church, burbling on about a kind of hectoring feminism that most people rejected some time ago.
That is a tricky one. I firmly believe everyone has the right to live their life as they want, but I also feel a bit uneasy that putting a dress on and calling yourself Shirley makes you a woman.
@PolhomeEditor: You'd have thought that Jeremy Corbyn's media team would have alerted all political journalists he was publishing his tax returns today.
@PolhomeEditor: You'd have thought that Jeremy Corbyn's media team would have alerted all political journalists he was publishing his tax returns today.
You are suggesting that Corbyn's team would have done something vaguely organised and sensible? That's a bold call.
That is a tricky one. I firmly believe everyone has the right to live their life as they want, but I also feel a bit uneasy that putting a dress on and calling yourself Shirley makes you a woman.
Do you often put a dress on and call yourself Shirley?
@PolhomeEditor: You'd have thought that Jeremy Corbyn's media team would have alerted all political journalists he was publishing his tax returns today.
FPT Artist said: 'It doesn't seem encouraging at all to me. Things were going OK for Corbyn in February 2016, if you look at the YouGov's during the last leadership contest, the released figures from Election Data so far don't show much of a drop at all. Corbyn would still win against a moderate by roughly 55/45, unbelievable. '
A Yougov poll of Labour members at the end of August 2016 showed 52% wanting to see him lead Labour into the next election. 41% did not. Today's poll has only 44% wanting him as leader at the election compared with 50% who do not. That represents a 9% swing against Corbyn in 6 months when Don't Knows are excluded.Pretty close to a tipping point I would think.
Wouldn't that still be 53/47 and even then it may be overstated by people who don't want him to go immediately. The +17 approval in today's poll means there hasn't been a sea change against Corbyn just days/weeks after a terrible election result and supporting the Tories on Brexit.
There will be an ocean change after we lose Gorton. Or, there will be another party. The Democrats.
Surely, even in the current climate, Labour won't come close to losing Gorton?!?! They held Stoke Central with room to spare, after all.
Kaufman probably did have a personal vote, but it would probably need a George Galloway style competitor for Labour to lose it.
ISTR that someone posted a chart showing how Mr Kaufmann's vote had declined over the years, in the context of a discussion about a mandatory retirement age for MPs.
Good evening, everybody.
Yes, it declined from 65.3% in 1997 to 50.1% in 2010 before rebounding to 67.1% in 2015 thanks to the coalition.
That is a tricky one. I firmly believe everyone has the right to live their life as they want, but I also feel a bit uneasy that putting a dress on and calling yourself Shirley makes you a woman.
Do you often put a dress on and call yourself Shirley?
Never. I'm Tiffany every first Thursday of the month.
Quite apart from the betting I don't think he has any need to stand down. He won the right primary fair and square. The idea of bringing in Juppe as some sort of anti corruption candidate is utterly odd too when you think about it. Juppe was convicted ! iirc.
Quite apart from the betting I don't think he has any need to stand down. He won the right primary fair and square. The idea of bringing in Juppe as some sort of anti corruption candidate is utterly odd too when you think about it. Juppe was convicted ! iirc.
"Why vote for the alleged crook when you can have the real deal?"
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Igor Lebedev has drawn up rules for "draka" - the Russian word for fight - which he said would involve 20 unarmed competitors on each side in an organised brawl.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39172314
Harry Hill is on at 6.15 tonight
Depends on your definition of Fake News.
I'm pointing out that the BBC are not - certainly on some areas of the website - particularly professional or accurate. I would make the same comment about the Today Programme.
The claim is not much better than the Guardian a few weeks ago putting into its headline and article that Classical Guitars were shaped after Women's Bodies, which as far as I could tell was a simple lie (*); as a bit of extra sexist spice in a puff-piece promoting a new non-boob-crushing guitar.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jan/26/cate-le-bon-first-guitar-designed-for-women-st-vincent
The G deleted no fewer than 4 requests for evidence of that claim as "not meeting community standards", presumably because they requested a fact.
(*) Given the G, I cannot distinguish between deliberate lies, stupid lies, ignorant lies, and "swallowed some gibberish hook, line and sinker because they don't factcheck" lies.
Mr. Borough, looks like punters think Fillon will Filloff.
"If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well. It were done quickly..."
Good evening, everybody.
Radio 4's Jenni Murray criticised over trans women article
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39173398
2015: 67.1%
2010: 50.1%
2005: 53.2%
2001: 62.8%
1997: 65.3%
1992: 62.3%
198:7 54.4%
1983: 51.2%
Edited to change to the past tense.
Dr. Prasannan, thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM2K7sV-K74
As an aside, I had a colleague who prompted a story in one of the nationals that went something like: "Tomb raider woman was a man."
Ah, it was actually the much better: "SEX-SWAP SECRET OF CYBERBABE LARA INVENTOR"
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/838452111176253440
Hmm...
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