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  • glwglw Posts: 10,010

    As I predicted, Trump does not care about Brexit. Expect him to say some very unhelpful things when the going gets tough.

    The thing is you would have said that it was bad for Brexit if Trump had said the exact opposite, or even nothing at all. Your posting is so utterly one-sided that it is worthless.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Pulpstar said:

    Not hard to read between the lines regarding Trump and the EU.

    Essentially he couldn't give a shit how Europe organises itself as that is their business, not his.

    Correct, and a legitimate view for the leader of a country from which Europe is only really visible as a component part of EMEA.
  • As I predicted, Trump does not care about Brexit. Expect him to say some very unhelpful things when the going gets tough.

    https://twitter.com/reuters/status/834904047056482308

    Is 'cuck' the right term to call the Brexiteer-Trumpers now?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912

    rcs1000 said:

    Off-topic:

    Just run my first ever half-marathon. The furthest I've ever run before is nine miles a few weeks ago, and I set out to do 5.5 miles this morning. Once there I felt good, so thought I'd continue to 10k. Felt good after that, so thought I'd try to beat my best distance. At nine miles, thought that I might as well get to ten.

    Then I 'accidentally' headed in a loop away from home, so it was 13.2 miles by the time I got back.

    Woohoo! :)

    2 hours 31 minutes, so a very slow time. But I'm very, very happy. Not bad for someone who was told he'd never walk properly again! (I treat that particular surgeon with a certain amount of contempt).

    I can really recommend couch-to-5k programs for people who think they cannot run. They break you into it very slowly, in such a way that you barely get very out of breath. What's more, they can make it fun.

    Well done you, Mr. Jessup!

    However, as far as I am concerned no programme can ever make running for the sake of it fun. In the mob, when not on operations, we had to run every day except Sunday (the distances varied depending on the weight carried and the time allowed). Stamina training they called it and I hated every minute of it. Essential it may have been, but by the cringe it was tedious. A forced or speed march across Dartmoor (or any of the training grounds) I didn't mind so much but just running was too awful.

    A few years back my quack recommended I took up swimming for exercise. That was even worse. Going up and down a pool for forty minutes was almost the definition of boredom.
    To make swimming interesting, get a waterproof MP3 player and download podcasts. I listen to Planet Money, Freakonomics Radio, and the PB podcast while I swim
    Freakonomics podcast is top notch.
    I actually think Planet Money edges it, but they are both must listens if you are interested in economics.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006
    Sean_F said:

    OllyT said:

    Sean_F said:

    OllyT said:

    isam said:

    Yes, UKIP must now disband, if only for its own sense of pride. It was never really a proper political party. It served as this strange pseudo-party to which hard-right Tories could threaten to defect, or indeed 'defect', in order to terrify Dave into promising an EU referendum. (Witness how many of its 'defectors' are returning to the Tory fold now the project has been completed.) In that sense I feel a sorry for Nuttall and the other committed

    There's a lot of continuity between governments, but I'd say the two big differences between the current government and Blair/Brown are:-

    1. Brexit
    2. Curbs on public spending.

    But Brexit wasn't down to the government, it was the referendum. If it had been up to the Tory government we would not have left, Even May doesn't support Leaving she is just implementing the result and trying to make the best of it.

    As for curbs on public spending Labour would be getting the dog's abuse if it were running the current deficit.

    It's really all about partisan cheering and rhetoric for the core vote, In reality nothing much really changes. What did the "hated" Labour government do during its 13 years in office that has been actually reversed in the last 7 years?
    A Labour government would never have offered such a referendum. Labour would have made cuts after 2009, but they would have relied even more on higher taxes than the current government has.
    Offering a referendum was not something the Conservative Government wanted to do it panicked and offered it for party political reasons.

    Both your examples are based on what you believe Labour would have done if they had been in Government, so supposition basically. We don't know if there might have been circumstances that would have led to Labour holding an EU referendum or whether they would have increased taxes.

    My question was, if the Labour Government of 1997-2010 was the disaster PB righties claim, what has been reversed in the 7 years since they left office? A bit of tinkering around the edges but that's about it. One could make a very good argument that the last 7 years have been pretty much continuity Blairism.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Does the LOTO have to be British.
    Wonder if Labour could import some foreign talent, does that Bayrou chap (Now he has ruled himself out the French elecs) speak English - could he be their Wenger :D ?
    Obama is another possibility, though I doubt he is interested in the job to put it mildly.

    No, Bryan Gould, a New Zealander, stood for the job in 1992. But you do need to be an MP and I'm not sure that Labour have too many seats they'd want optional by-elections in just now.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    Pulpstar said:

    Does the LOTO have to be British.
    Wonder if Labour could import some foreign talent, does that Bayrou chap (Now he has ruled himself out the French elecs) speak English - could he be their Wenger :D ?
    Obama is another possibility, though I doubt he is interested in the job to put it mildly.

    The ex-Danish Prime Minister, Helle Thorning-Schmidt. SDP/soft left, pro-European, double-barrelled surname. What's not to like?

    Being Danish, she will speak perfect English and with Denmark being level on EU opt-outs she'll be good at dealing more tactfully with Brussels.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Does the LOTO have to be British.
    Wonder if Labour could import some foreign talent, does that Bayrou chap (Now he has ruled himself out the French elecs) speak English - could he be their Wenger :D ?
    Obama is another possibility, though I doubt he is interested in the job to put it mildly.

    The ex-Danish Prime Minister, Helle Thorning-Schmidt. SDP/soft left, pro-European, double-barrelled surname. What's not to like?

    Being Danish, she will speak perfect English and with Denmark being level on EU opt-outs she'll be good at dealing more tactfully with Brussels.
    She's a Kinnock, so that might not go down well!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MichaelLCrick: Last year Corbyn called for general election. I asked him 14 times today if still wants that. 14 times wouldn't say. pic.twitter.com/vx8vc1B5Z5
  • Pulpstar said:

    Paddy Power have the election odds out for the NIA. I'm going to try and put something together but first look is that they have not been very well thought out.

    Should I back the Tories in Foyle ?

    300-1..
    Erm. No :)
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Donald on in 5 mins - Nigel at 1155 their time.
  • AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852

    The difference between the 'hard' left and right are very noticeable. The right got itself energised, formed a party, and actually changed the future direction of the country without ever gaining power.

    The left got their man into the leadership of the Labour party and then said 'meh'.

    Where's their fight? Where's their ambition? Where's their belief?

    As usual on the left the real fight is forgotten in the narcissism of small differences for the much more interesting fight between the People's Front for Judia and the Judean People's Front. The kippers are a bunch of buffoons, but at least they are mostly pulling in the same direction.
    UKIP/AFL wasn't formed as a right wing party, and the the internecine squabbles as Farage took control were pretty angry. Also, I'm not sure if one elected member punching another counts as mostly pulling in the same direction.
    I am sure they do internal bickering with the best of them. What I mean is that the kippers all pretty much want the same thing and, even if not necessarily desirable, it is achievable: rock hard brexit. The various factions of the hard left all want different colours moons on sticks.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    The difference between the 'hard' left and right are very noticeable. The right got itself energised, formed a party, and actually changed the future direction of the country without ever gaining power.

    The left got their man into the leadership of the Labour party and then said 'meh'.

    Where's their fight? Where's their ambition? Where's their belief?

    Their 'belief' is not to do something about their own state, but to rely on voters giving them the right to take money from others.

    Beliefs that require action to achieve a positive goal are more energizing than saying someone else should do it.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Does the LOTO have to be British.
    Wonder if Labour could import some foreign talent, does that Bayrou chap (Now he has ruled himself out the French elecs) speak English - could he be their Wenger :D ?
    Obama is another possibility, though I doubt he is interested in the job to put it mildly.

    No, Bryan Gould, a New Zealander, stood for the job in 1992. But you do need to be an MP and I'm not sure that Labour have too many seats they'd want optional by-elections in just now.
    We've had a Canadian* as PM.

    *A New Brunswickian for pedants.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912

    As I predicted, Trump does not care about Brexit. Expect him to say some very unhelpful things when the going gets tough.

    https://twitter.com/reuters/status/834904047056482308

    Has everyone watched the Bannon/Preibus CPAC chat? Other than it being incredibly awkward at certain points, Bannon made it very clear that the policy of the US was now "economic nationalism". The Trump administration doesn't like the EU much, or NATO, or the UN or the WTO. They would like everything to be bilateral agreements, with the US - as the world's largest economy (currently) - being in the driving seat.

    The Trump administration, I would have thought, likes Brexit because that strengthens the US's hand when talking to the UK (and the EU).
  • glwglw Posts: 10,010

    Gareth Snell comes across as an absolute moron.

    He does, even worse than Owen "world's angriest double-glazing salesman*" Smith.

    * I can't recall who coined that, and I may even have misremembered it, but it still makes me chuckle.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,694
    edited February 2017

    As I predicted, Trump does not care about Brexit. Expect him to say some very unhelpful things when the going gets tough.

    https://twitter.com/reuters/status/834904047056482308

    Trump also says the sentence before he thought the UK would Brexit but now he is President he will focus on the U.S. and leave the Europeans to decide their future but also have a strong relationship with post Brexit UK which was why he invited May to the White House before Merkel and Juncker, that would not have happened under a President Hillary. In any case it is Le Pen's electoral prospects which will determine if the EU has a future, not Trump's though of course even May has said she wants a strong EU
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Pulpstar said:

    Does the LOTO have to be British.
    Wonder if Labour could import some foreign talent, does that Bayrou chap (Now he has ruled himself out the French elecs) speak English - could he be their Wenger :D ?
    Obama is another possibility, though I doubt he is interested in the job to put it mildly.


    Maduro might be looking for a job soon. He seems quite in tune with the Labour party membership.
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414

    Pulpstar said:

    Does the LOTO have to be British.
    Wonder if Labour could import some foreign talent, does that Bayrou chap (Now he has ruled himself out the French elecs) speak English - could he be their Wenger :D ?
    Obama is another possibility, though I doubt he is interested in the job to put it mildly.

    No, Bryan Gould, a New Zealander, stood for the job in 1992. But you do need to be an MP and I'm not sure that Labour have too many seats they'd want optional by-elections in just now.
    We've had a Canadian* as PM.

    *A New Brunswickian for pedants.
    Not to mention a half-American, though I don't suppose he counts.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/labour-finished-cant-blame-corbyn/

    Plenty of home truths here for those who think you just need to get rid of Corbyn.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    isam said:

    To be fair, she is doing what UKIP want. There is no need for parties to exist for the sake of it, its about getting things done, not just being a brand

    https://twitter.com/tamcohen/status/835104955967160320

    There is another reason ehy tories won't switch to ukip.

    Ukip are toxic. Nuttal has worse ratings then even that twat Farron. It is probably the reason the only seats they have won fptp is from defections.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,889

    Pulpstar said:

    Paddy Power have the election odds out for the NIA. I'm going to try and put something together but first look is that they have not been very well thought out.

    Should I back the Tories in Foyle ?

    300-1..
    Erm. No :)
    I like the plethora of substantial odds on favourites.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    Pulpstar said:

    Does the LOTO have to be British.
    Wonder if Labour could import some foreign talent, does that Bayrou chap (Now he has ruled himself out the French elecs) speak English - could he be their Wenger :D ?
    Obama is another possibility, though I doubt he is interested in the job to put it mildly.

    The ex-Danish Prime Minister, Helle Thorning-Schmidt. SDP/soft left, pro-European, double-barrelled surname. What's not to like?

    Being Danish, she will speak perfect English and with Denmark being level on EU opt-outs she'll be good at dealing more tactfully with Brussels.
    She's a Kinnock, so that might not go down well!
    Only by marriage. Glenys is OK.

    Incidentally, I more than made up my Trump/Brexit betting losses on Stoke, i.e. a few £100 but hope those betting the farm didn't go too wrong; I think someone had £10,000 at stake.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    The difference between the 'hard' left and right are very noticeable. The right got itself energised, formed a party, and actually changed the future direction of the country without ever gaining power.

    The left got their man into the leadership of the Labour party and then said 'meh'.

    Where's their fight? Where's their ambition? Where's their belief?

    As usual on the left the real fight is forgotten in the narcissism of small differences for the much more interesting fight between the People's Front for Judia and the Judean People's Front. The kippers are a bunch of buffoons, but at least they are mostly pulling in the same direction.
    https://twitter.com/PhilipCJames/status/835096962340958208
    So yesterday was the fake fight? Right!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654

    Pulpstar said:

    Does the LOTO have to be British.
    Wonder if Labour could import some foreign talent, does that Bayrou chap (Now he has ruled himself out the French elecs) speak English - could he be their Wenger :D ?
    Obama is another possibility, though I doubt he is interested in the job to put it mildly.

    The ex-Danish Prime Minister, Helle Thorning-Schmidt. SDP/soft left, pro-European, double-barrelled surname. What's not to like?

    Being Danish, she will speak perfect English and with Denmark being level on EU opt-outs she'll be good at dealing more tactfully with Brussels.
    She's a Kinnock, so that might not go down well!
    Only by marriage. Glenys is OK.

    Incidentally, I more than made up my Trump/Brexit betting losses on Stoke, i.e. a few £100 but hope those betting the farm didn't go too wrong; I think someone had £10,000 at stake.
    @Gettingbetter had £18,000 on Labour in Stoke at an average of 1.9 iirc.

    He knows his onions.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    As I predicted, Trump does not care about Brexit. Expect him to say some very unhelpful things when the going gets tough.

    https://twitter.com/reuters/status/834904047056482308

    You really don't get sarcasm do you?
  • glwglw Posts: 10,010
    edited February 2017
    felix said:

    So yesterday was the fake fight? Right!

    It's almost as though he has no idea what he is doing. I may be wrong but I'm fairly certain you are meant to fight elections before the vote, not after.
  • Front runners are Lewis 11/2, Starmer 13/2, Long-Bailey 12, Jarvis 14, Nandy 16

    None of whom appear on that list, so someone is wasting their money.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    felix said:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/labour-finished-cant-blame-corbyn/

    Plenty of home truths here for those who think you just need to get rid of Corbyn.

    Labour today just pick the wrong friends. And as I said before sneer at the WWC. That knocks 10% share of their vote.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    These were both excellent results for the Tories.However, what I found rather irritating from the commentariat was the constant repetition of ‘this has been Labour for 80 years’ message. In truth , the constituency has only existed in its present form since 2010 – when the town of Keswick and three rural wards were added to the predecessor seat. It is far from clear that the Tories would have won the seat yesterday on its pre-2010 boundaries. Equally the Tories would have won the seat on its present boundaries in 1983 – and probably 1987.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    The tory north. May's Conservative Parliamentary party is already more Nothern then David's.

    James Forsyth

    @JGForsyth

    After last night, you can walk from coast to coast across the north of England and only go through Conservative constituencies
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    edited February 2017
    Dixie said:

    felix said:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/labour-finished-cant-blame-corbyn/

    Plenty of home truths here for those who think you just need to get rid of Corbyn.

    Labour today just pick the wrong friends. And as I said before sneer at the WWC. That knocks 10% share of their vote.
    Thanks for your messages re Stoke/Copeland (& Richmond for that matter). Very useful info - just not what some people wanted to hear I guess.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    rcs1000 said:

    As I predicted, Trump does not care about Brexit. Expect him to say some very unhelpful things when the going gets tough.

    https://twitter.com/reuters/status/834904047056482308

    Has everyone watched the Bannon/Preibus CPAC chat? Other than it being incredibly awkward at certain points, Bannon made it very clear that the policy of the US was now "economic nationalism". The Trump administration doesn't like the EU much, or NATO, or the UN or the WTO. They would like everything to be bilateral agreements, with the US - as the world's largest economy (currently) - being in the driving seat.

    The Trump administration, I would have thought, likes Brexit because that strengthens the US's hand when talking to the UK (and the EU).
    Are people still thinking Trump has some sort of strategy........
  • NEW THREAD

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,694

    Front runners are Lewis 11/2, Starmer 13/2, Long-Bailey 12, Jarvis 14, Nandy 16

    None of whom appear on that list, so someone is wasting their money.
    McDonnell could well be Howard to Corbyn's IDS
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    felix said:

    As I predicted, Trump does not care about Brexit. Expect him to say some very unhelpful things when the going gets tough.

    https://twitter.com/reuters/status/834904047056482308

    You really don't get sarcasm do you?
    And why should Trump's view on the EU be of concern to us? We don't need him to be anti-EU, nor should we be ourselves. All we need is for us to look after ourselves and for the US to give us the time of day for a good bilateral relationship.

    All the indications are that we shall succeed on both counts, regardless of Trump's views on the EU.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    nunu said:

    The tory north. May's Conservative Parliamentary party is already more Nothern then David's.

    James Forsyth

    @JGForsyth

    After last night, you can walk from coast to coast across the north of England and only go through Conservative constituencies

    Workington and Barrow will make the entire actual northern border of England Conservative at the next GE (I think)
  • Scott_P said:

    @JGForsyth: After last night, you can walk from coast to coast across the north of England and only go through Conservative constituencies

    You could previously have walked from Fylde to Scarborough and still only go through Con constituencies
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    nunu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As I predicted, Trump does not care about Brexit. Expect him to say some very unhelpful things when the going gets tough.

    https://twitter.com/reuters/status/834904047056482308

    Has everyone watched the Bannon/Preibus CPAC chat? Other than it being incredibly awkward at certain points, Bannon made it very clear that the policy of the US was now "economic nationalism". The Trump administration doesn't like the EU much, or NATO, or the UN or the WTO. They would like everything to be bilateral agreements, with the US - as the world's largest economy (currently) - being in the driving seat.

    The Trump administration, I would have thought, likes Brexit because that strengthens the US's hand when talking to the UK (and the EU).
    Are people still thinking Trump has some sort of strategy........
    He does have a strategy though. Others might not like it but there is definitely one there.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,290
    Pulpstar said:

    nunu said:

    The tory north. May's Conservative Parliamentary party is already more Nothern then David's.

    James Forsyth

    @JGForsyth

    After last night, you can walk from coast to coast across the north of England and only go through Conservative constituencies

    Workington and Barrow will make the entire actual northern border of England Conservative at the next GE (I think)
    It already is, I think: neither Workington nor Barrow (nor indeed Copeland) are on the border. Just Penrith and the Border, Carlisle and Berwick (and possibly Hexham.
  • Liam Young:

    "For a governing party to gain a constituency from the sitting opposition at a time when the country is in crisis over Brexit and the NHS is being decimated is..."

    ..."evidently worrying."

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-copeland-defeat-by-election-stoke-ukip-tory-conservative-victory-problem-a7597141.html

    The level of delusion on display in Momentum etc is breathtaking.

    You say that like it was a bad thing.
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