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  • Mr. Recidivist, the Lisbon Treaty was the Constitution with a change of font and a few re-ordered paragraphs.

    We are in a position to feel superior [as are most/perhaps all national governments within the EU] because it's the Commons that determines the laws of the land, and which is elected.
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    Ishmael_Z said:

    reuters: BREAKING NEWS:
    France's Fillon apologizes to French people, says it was an error of judgement regarding the employment of family members.

    Presumably that won't stop him being prosecuted though. What happens then?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Corbyn issues 3 line whip in favour of Article 50 at Westminster. Meanwhile...

    https://twitter.com/scotdecides/status/828625479934558208
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,460
    Scott_P said:

    Corbyn issues 3 line whip in favour of Article 50 at Westminster. Meanwhile...

    https://twitter.com/scotdecides/status/828625479934558208

    Wouldn’t be too surprised to see Welsh Labour do the same.
  • No. If it was multi-velocity it would imply there was a direction (vector) involved. Even then, those vectors might be converging, diverging, or parallel. Speed is oblivious of direction.
    In science, yes. Not in politics.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    They keep repeating this flawed metric of education level. We know that now 50% of youngster go to uni where as it was more like 20-30% of those who are now 50+. So was it education level or age, I would suggest age, which as a result skews the education level stat. They are not independent variables.
    Have you checked whether that error has actually been made? It would be quite easy to run the statistics to see whether or not they are independent. In any event you are exaggerating the academic qualifications of over 50s somewhat. Graduates were still below 20% of the year group in 1990.
  • AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852
    Anyone that thinks Snowden is in the Russian's pocket should watch this, and particularly what he has to say about Trump and future of American politics. I think its fair to say he doesn't have much time for him, and is concerned out the tendency to elect strong men that are prepared to erode rights in order to enact the will of the majority.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmZpMqMxo2Q
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,035
    rkrkrk said:

    Apparently she tried to claim immunity as an MEP.... Guess that didnt work out so well.
    Ehhh, she didn't make the allegations in the European Parliament. Blimey.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,636

    Wouldn’t be too surprised to see Welsh Labour do the same.
    Scotland, fair enough - Scotland voted Remain. However Wales voted Leave, and Welsh parliamentarians should respect that vote.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,187
    For those interested, a detailed analysis of the legal reasoning behind the order temporarily quashing the Trump immigration ban:
    https://www.justsecurity.org/37388/courts-reject-trumps-travel-ban-order/
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,165

    In science, yes. Not in politics.
    Citation required, ;)
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,842
    Once we are out of the EU (and we will be) we won't go back in during most of our lifetimes, probably. The issue won't be the money. After a while you stop noticing you are poorer. The issue is that as long as the EU exists, our international actions will be defined, almost totally, in relation to it. We will constantly be looking for ways to get round the EU, ignore it, co-opt it and undermine it. If life was frustrating while we were in the EU, it will be many times more frustrating outside of it. Leaving the EU isn't the solution to any real problem we have, but it does introduce a slew of new ones and exacerbates many more.
  • Scotland, fair enough - Scotland voted Remain. However Wales voted Leave, and Welsh parliamentarians should respect that vote.
    Not only that but didn't every single Scottish constituency vote Remain?

    Whereas all but one Welsh Labour constituency voted Leave?
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,569
    Just read that Jane Collins plans to appeal against her libel ruling. For her own sake, I hope she is getting some good advice from somewhere, to me it looks like she cannot stop digging.
  • Shapovalov fined $7k, no ban.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/38884448
  • Citation required, ;)
    In science, yes. Not in politics. ;)
  • Theresa May not being very classy in the House of Commons this afternoon. She has a streak of intolerance that is going to cause her a lot of trouble.

    Sneering at a woman simply because she declined to take her husband's name is needlessly annoying a sizeable segment of the population. And it puts her shoulder to shoulder with those idiots who insist on calling George Osborne "Gideon".
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,187
    Even constitutional law extremist John Yoo (Bush's torture memo guy) thinks Trump *might* have gone too far...
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/06/opinion/executive-power-run-amok.html?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,815
    Don sounds very desperate in today's thread header...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,460

    Have you checked whether that error has actually been made? It would be quite easy to run the statistics to see whether or not they are independent. In any event you are exaggerating the academic qualifications of over 50s somewhat. Graduates were still below 20% of the year group in 1990.
    It’s not a direct comparison, though. Plenty of my contemporaries didn’t go to Uni, but took professional exams. Solicitors, accountants, pharmacists, surveyors, chartered secretaries all qualified by becoming members of their professional bodies but doing so didn’t require a degree. I think that in the 50’s you could probably find older medical practitioners without degrees.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,460
    tpfkar said:

    Just read that Jane Collins plans to appeal against her libel ruling. For her own sake, I hope she is getting some good advice from somewhere, to me it looks like she cannot stop digging.

    Better advice than she appears to have been getting you mean!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,165
    edited February 2017
    dr_spyn said:
    The article is abut a book called 'flyboys' by a Mr Bradley. This seemed odd, as I read about Bush's exploits in a book years ago called 'Flyboys' by a ... Mr Bradley. :)

    Then at the bottom of the article: "This article was originally published on October 26, 2003"

    This might also be of interest, and more illuminating that a reheated Telegraph article:
    http://www.public.navy.mil/subfor/underseawarfaremagazine/Issues/Archives/issue_55/Lifeguarding.html

    BTW, 'Flyboys' is well worth a read.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JasonGroves1: Commons Speaker John Bercow says @realDonaldTrump banned from making joint address to Parliament cos of 'our opposition to racism + sexism'
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,165

    In science, yes. Not in politics. ;)
    I fear we're going to be going around in circles. And if we agree on that, we'll have to decide on the topology the circles are drawn on ... :)
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    Scott_P said:

    @JasonGroves1: Commons Speaker John Bercow says @realDonaldTrump banned from making joint address to Parliament cos of 'our opposition to racism + sexism'

    Bercow being a complete and utter berk. What is it about short men?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,603
    Ban the Bercow!
  • I fear we're going to be going around in circles. And if we agree on that, we'll have to decide on the topology the circles are drawn on ... :)
    And we'll be back to centrifugal and centripetal forces...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,320

    Ban the Bercow!

    Elect Rees-Mogg, Make the Speaker wear a wig and tights again!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,603

    And we'll be back to centrifugal and centripetal forces...

    Behind one door of three doors is a dystopian future for the UK. Monty Hall opens a door and reveals the EU. Do you switch?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,246
    Nigelb said:

    And if we hadn't effed up our carrier procurement, we could have had this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOijb3JPCe4

    How was that ever an option for the UK? A Ford class is triple the cost of QE. It also needs 5 x the crew and has 3 x bigger air wing which the RN also can't afford. Second also, nowhere in the UK would be capable of building one

    I proudly served on all three of the Invincible class carriers and then did exchange tour with the USN including a cruise on the USS Carl Vinson with CVW-11 which opened my eyes. We did alot with very little in the RN but the US carrier operations are just of a different and incomparable scale of magnitude, complexity and cost.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,669
    I agree with Don!

    And Bercow too. Good man.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,320

    And we'll be back to centrifugal and centripetal forces...
    Consider a spherical horse....
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,165

    And we'll be back to centrifugal and centripetal forces...
    Isn't the centripetal the carpel?

    I'll get me coat. ;)
  • https://twitter.com/carlmaxim/status/828649073129484288

    Fabricant's coat on shoogly peg presumably.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    RobD said:

    Consider a spherical horse....

    ... in a vacuum
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,320

    https://twitter.com/carlmaxim/status/828649073129484288

    Fabricant's coat on shoogly peg presumably.

    Addressing their lordships still on the cards?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,320

    Behind one door of three doors is a dystopian future for the UK. Monty Hall opens a door and reveals the EU. Do you switch?
    No, he's already revelaed the dystopian future :smiley:
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,165
    Dura_Ace said:

    How was that ever an option for the UK? A Ford class is triple the cost of QE. It also needs 5 x the crew and has 3 x bigger air wing which the RN also can't afford. Second also, nowhere in the UK would be capable of building one

    I proudly served on all three of the Invincible class carriers and then did exchange tour with the USN including a cruise on the USS Carl Vinson with CVW-11 which opened my eyes. We did alot with very little in the RN but the US carrier operations are just of a different and incomparable scale of magnitude, complexity and cost.
    I think Nigel was referring to the EMALS system in the video, not the carrier itself.

    As an aside, ten or so years ago some people on the 'net were talking about asking the Americans if we could buy a second-hand Nimitz when they were finished for them. The complexities of such a deal and the barriers seemed rather obvious ...

    Others, slightly more sensibly (but still ridiculous) suggested the USS Independence. At least that wasn't nuclear ...
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Dura_Ace said:

    How was that ever an option for the UK? A Ford class is triple the cost of QE. It also needs 5 x the crew and has 3 x bigger air wing which the RN also can't afford. Second also, nowhere in the UK would be capable of building one

    I proudly served on all three of the Invincible class carriers and then did exchange tour with the USN including a cruise on the USS Carl Vinson with CVW-11 which opened my eyes. We did alot with very little in the RN but the US carrier operations are just of a different and incomparable scale of magnitude, complexity and cost.
    My wife was the ship mascot for the USS Nimitz...
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,508
    edited February 2017
    Sounds like a reason to postpone the Trump visit until after the poisoned dwarf has done one.
  • NEW THREAD

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    NEW THREAD

    not there
  • I get that an invitation to address the House of Commons is, by definition, one for the House of Commons (and that an invitation to address both Houses is by extension partly one for the House of Commons and one that it can withdraw from unilaterally). I get that the Speaker speaks for the House of Commons and so can refuse the invitation on the House of Commons' behalf.

    But can't he be overridden by a vote among MPs if they so choose?

    Could some constitutional expert opine?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,320
    Charles said:

    not there
    Check on the main site. Not sure why it's not up on the vanilla page.
  • And Bercow too. Good man.

    Really? You think the Speaker - who is supposed to be completely impartial - should take a political position on an elected US president?

    I would say it's pretty disgraceful of him, even though (as a private citizen) I might agree with him.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,187

    I think Nigel was referring to the EMALS system in the video, not the carrier itself.

    As an aside, ten or so years ago some people on the 'net were talking about asking the Americans if we could buy a second-hand Nimitz when they were finished for them. The complexities of such a deal and the barriers seemed rather obvious ...

    Others, slightly more sensibly (but still ridiculous) suggested the USS Independence. At least that wasn't nuclear ...
    Correct.
    I thought that would be pretty obvious from the video.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,165
    Charles said:

    My wife was the ship mascot for the USS Nimitz...
    How very non-establishment ... ;)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,165
    Charles said:

    My wife was the ship mascot for the USS Nimitz...
    Was hers the face that launches a thousand planes?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,246
    edited February 2017



    I think Nigel was referring to the EMALS system in the video, not the carrier itself.

    An EMALS QE would still be impossible for the RN. CVW-11 spent almost one year working up for the CVN-70 cruise I was on. The RN doesn't even have a dedicated air wing let alone the ability to have one do nothing but spend a year training for a deployment.

    For the RN to keep one CATOBAR carrier at sea with a deployed air wing they'd need to staff and equip three full wings due to training demands of CATOBAR avation. What they're actually going to get is less than a half share of an air wing with the RAF. A CATOBAR air wing would also need an alert tanker capability which the RN also happens not to have. So for the RN it's STOVL or nothing.

  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    Theresa May not being very classy in the House of Commons this afternoon. She has a streak of intolerance that is going to cause her a lot of trouble.

    Sneering at a woman simply because she declined to take her husband's name is needlessly annoying a sizeable segment of the population. And it puts her shoulder to shoulder with those idiots who insist on calling George Osborne "Gideon".

    Only a streak?! She seems to be a full-scale control freak, hence the passage of the snooper's charter. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/29/snoopers-charter-bill-becomes-law-extending-uk-state-surveillance
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    How do PBers rate the chances of May getting article 50 bill though commons without amendment, what are the likely numbers for/against?
  • Parliament has become a "safe place". End of Parliamentary Privilege next no doubt.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,028

    Mr. Meeks, did May ever say the NHS would get £350m?

    Attack Boris by all means. But holding people responsible for commitments they never made and assuming all Leavers had and have a single perspective is sillier than a mongoose wearing a fez.

    Mr. Herdson, quite agree.

    Is this not exactly the problem with referenda - nobody can be held accountable for the "promises" that were made made in order to win the referendum in the first place. The moral for any any future referendum is to lie through your teeth to win because nobody will be able to hold you to account afterwards.

    If Trump turns out to be a disaster voters can get rid of him in 4 years. If Brexit turns out to be a disaster we are stuck with it for the forseeeable future. That is why feelings continue to run so high on the subject.
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