politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » It’s blindingly obvious that Paul Nuttall is a scouser so why

System

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » It’s blindingly obvious that Paul Nuttall is a scouser so why try to hide it?

I like this spoof English Heritage plaque which is doing the rounds in Stoke Central pic.twitter.com/tFJbR2xu9n

Read the full story here

Danny565

Can I ask, what exactly was the rationale for thinking Paul Nutall was "Labour's nightmare"? Was it ONLY that he had a Northern accent? Do the commentariat really have such a patronising view of Northerners that they thought that would be enough to sway it?

TheScreamingEagles

Danny565 said:

Can I ask, what exactly was the rationale for thinking Paul Nutall was "Labour's nightmare"? Was it ONLY that he had a Northern accent? Do the commentariat really have such a patronising view of Northerners that they thought that would be enough to sway it?

My favourite was when Stoke was described as a Northern seat.

DAFUQ!

RobD

A Douglas!

isam

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

RobD

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Then it isn't his home?

Danny565

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

I think you could ask some of the expenses-scandal MPs how well those types of legalistic defences work out

TheScreamingEagles

Well the rozzers are involved now, coupled with Nuttall one of eight UKIP MEPs who may have to pay back half million quid for misusing EU parliament funds, you can see how their opponents might portray UKIP as sleazy.

Will it shift any votes? Three weeks to find out.

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/827208255768293376

bigjohnowls

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Why were the Letting Agency still saying it was available to let yesterday?

RobD

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/827208255768293376

Useless as there is no time frame.

isam

RobD said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Then it isn't his home?

Well I would say it is. If he had signed a tenancy agreement on the property when he called it his home, then it is his home.

Desperate stuff from Labour, makes me think they've seen more bad polling for their man.

TheScreamingEagles

Though Nuttall was going to be disqualified as MEP in two years anyway.

isam

bigjohnowls said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Why were the Letting Agency still saying it was available to let yesterday?

You reckon he nipped in and rented it yesterday to back up his deceit, having never heard of the gaffe before?!!

TheScreamingEagles

RobD said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Then it isn't his home?

https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/826811597687496704

TheScreamingEagles

https://twitter.com/GerriPeev/status/827207135150931968

bigjohnowls

isam said:

bigjohnowls said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Why were the Letting Agency still saying it was available to let yesterday?

You reckon he nipped in and rented it yesterday to back up his deceit, having never heard of the gaffe before?!!

No he told Crick yesterday he had never even been there.

So doubtful he nipped in.

SimonStClare

Evening all.

Phil Woolas was the last MP to ‘kicked out by the courts’ - and was the first MP in 99 years.

isam

bigjohnowls said:

isam said:

bigjohnowls said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Why were the Letting Agency still saying it was available to let yesterday?

You reckon he nipped in and rented it yesterday to back up his deceit, having never heard of the gaffe before?!!

No he told Crick yesterday he had never even been there.

So doubtful he nipped in.

But obviously he had rented the place when he signed the nomination. You don't honestly think he hadn't, taking an almighty risk that someone else rented it in the meantime?

Is that what you think?!

RobD

isam said:

bigjohnowls said:

isam said:

bigjohnowls said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Why were the Letting Agency still saying it was available to let yesterday?

You reckon he nipped in and rented it yesterday to back up his deceit, having never heard of the gaffe before?!!

No he told Crick yesterday he had never even been there.

So doubtful he nipped in.

But obviously he had rented the place when he signed the nomination. You don't honestly think he hadn't, taking an almighty risk that someone else rented it in the meantime?

Is that what you think?!

So it wasn't his home when he signed the form? As TSE's tweet above maintains, it is where you are habitually resident.

TheScreamingEagles

SimonStClare said:

Evening all.

Phil Woolas was the last MP to ‘kicked out by the courts’ - and was the first MP in 99 years.

His was the expenses in the expenses scandal that had me traumatised the most.

He claimed tampons on his expenses, I was curious why a man would buy and claim tampons on his expenses.

Then someone explained to me what certain men do with tampons for sexual gratification.

I hate Phil Woolas.

bigjohnowls

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick Feb 1
More
Inside the empty Stoke house which Paul Nuttall claimed is his "home", and which will appear on ballot papers as such

MarkHopkins

If the period for objections was over, and no-one objected then his nomination as candidate is accepted, surely.

So to report it to the police as fraud, you would have to show he intended to deceive, but if that was where he going to be living, I can't see that flying.

Thoughts only, IANAL etc.

isam

RobD said:

isam said:

bigjohnowls said:

isam said:

bigjohnowls said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Why were the Letting Agency still saying it was available to let yesterday?

You reckon he nipped in and rented it yesterday to back up his deceit, having never heard of the gaffe before?!!

No he told Crick yesterday he had never even been there.

So doubtful he nipped in.

But obviously he had rented the place when he signed the nomination. You don't honestly think he hadn't, taking an almighty risk that someone else rented it in the meantime?

Is that what you think?!

So it wasn't his home when he signed the form? As TSE's tweet above maintains, it is where you are habitually resident.

Seems that I am a bloke with a parking ticket talking to a room of traffic wardens!!

RobD

bigjohnowls said:

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick Feb 1
More
Inside the empty Stoke house which Paul Nuttall claimed is his "home", and which will appear on ballot papers as such

Cosy... https://order-order.com/2017/02/02/inside-paul-nuttalls-stoke-bedroom/

TheScreamingEagles

MarkHopkins said:

If the period for objections was over, and no-one objected then his nomination as candidate is accepted, surely.

So to report it to the police as fraud, you would have to show he intended to deceive, but if that was where he going to be living, I can't see that flying.

Thoughts only, IANAL etc.

From what I've read on election law, the term that gets bandied about a lot is 'knowingly'

Is this something he has knowingly filled in incorrectly or not.

How many people don't know where they live?

bigjohnowls

isam said:

bigjohnowls said:

isam said:

bigjohnowls said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Why were the Letting Agency still saying it was available to let yesterday?

You reckon he nipped in and rented it yesterday to back up his deceit, having never heard of the gaffe before?!!

No he told Crick yesterday he had never even been there.

So doubtful he nipped in.

But obviously he had rented the place when he signed the nomination. You don't honestly think he hadn't, taking an almighty risk that someone else rented it in the meantime?

Is that what you think?!

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 49m49 minutes ago
More
Michael Crick Retweeted Guido Fawkes
#emptyhousegate Paul Nuttall cld move whole family in, & live there for rest of life, but he'd never been there when nominated. So broke law

Big_G_NorthWales

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the rozzers are involved now, coupled with Nuttall one of eight UKIP MEPs who may have to pay back half million quid for misusing EU parliament funds, you can see how their opponents might portray UKIP as sleazy.

Will it shift any votes? Three weeks to find out.

Probably make him a hero as the establishment attempt to derail him

Essexit

Wasn't it a Leave.EU poll? Vote Leave no longer exists.

bigjohnowls

Nuttall none story!!!

Casino_Royale

Essexit said:

Wasn't it a Leave.EU poll? Vote Leave no longer exists.

Please: don't mix up Cummings and Banks.

GeoffM

isam said:

RobD said:

isam said:

bigjohnowls said:

isam said:

bigjohnowls said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Why were the Letting Agency still saying it was available to let yesterday?

You reckon he nipped in and rented it yesterday to back up his deceit, having never heard of the gaffe before?!!

No he told Crick yesterday he had never even been there.

So doubtful he nipped in.

But obviously he had rented the place when he signed the nomination. You don't honestly think he hadn't, taking an almighty risk that someone else rented it in the meantime?

Is that what you think?!

So it wasn't his home when he signed the form? As TSE's tweet above maintains, it is where you are habitually resident.

Seems that I am a bloke with a parking ticket talking to a room of traffic wardens!!

Not as much as you think.
Everyone else is just channeling their inner ScottnPaste by retweeting Michael Crick stuff.

RobD

Crick's photograph through the letter box is particularly creepy though. Are journalists allowed/supposed to do that?

Sunil_Prasannan

TheScreamingEagles said:

Then someone explained to me what certain men do with tampons for sexual gratification.

I hate Phil Woolas.

Um, they eat them?

Animal_pb

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarkHopkins said:

If the period for objections was over, and no-one objected then his nomination as candidate is accepted, surely.

So to report it to the police as fraud, you would have to show he intended to deceive, but if that was where he going to be living, I can't see that flying.

Thoughts only, IANAL etc.

From what I've read on election law, the term that gets bandied about a lot is 'knowingly'

Is this something he has knowingly filled in incorrectly or not.

How many people don't know where they live?

"I'm a UKIP party member, m'lud. Facts confuse me."

"Case dismissed."

TheScreamingEagles

Essexit said:

Wasn't it a Leave.EU poll? Vote Leave no longer exists.

Fixed it now. Ta

bigjohnowls

TBF I hope Nuttall does remain UKIPs Stoke Candidate his NHS quotes are completely toxic

Richard_Nabavi

TheScreamingEagles said:

Essexit said:

Wasn't it a Leave.EU poll? Vote Leave no longer exists.

Fixed it now. Ta

Can you fix the other mistakes as well? 'MEP' 'the policy have been called in' etc..

GeoffM

TheScreamingEagles said:

Then someone explained to me what certain men do with tampons for sexual gratification.

The really creepy weirdos make tv adverts about them.

Richard_Nabavi

Danny565 said:

Can I ask, what exactly was the rationale for thinking Paul Nutall was "Labour's nightmare"? Was it ONLY that he had a Northern accent? Do the commentariat really have such a patronising view of Northerners that they thought that would be enough to sway it?

TBH I think that was exactly the rationale.

TheScreamingEagles

Animal_pb said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarkHopkins said:

If the period for objections was over, and no-one objected then his nomination as candidate is accepted, surely.

So to report it to the police as fraud, you would have to show he intended to deceive, but if that was where he going to be living, I can't see that flying.

Thoughts only, IANAL etc.

From what I've read on election law, the term that gets bandied about a lot is 'knowingly'

Is this something he has knowingly filled in incorrectly or not.

How many people don't know where they live?

"I'm a UKIP party member, m'lud. Facts confuse me."

"Case dismissed."

Not much of a defence as he has a Doctorate.

Animal_pb

TheScreamingEagles said:

Animal_pb said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarkHopkins said:

If the period for objections was over, and no-one objected then his nomination as candidate is accepted, surely.

So to report it to the police as fraud, you would have to show he intended to deceive, but if that was where he going to be living, I can't see that flying.

Thoughts only, IANAL etc.

From what I've read on election law, the term that gets bandied about a lot is 'knowingly'

Is this something he has knowingly filled in incorrectly or not.

How many people don't know where they live?

"I'm a UKIP party member, m'lud. Facts confuse me."

"Case dismissed."

Not much of a defence as he has a Doctorate.

Now, are we sure he meant to say that? Or did he just mean he's been to see a doctor?

Danny565

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Essexit said:

Wasn't it a Leave.EU poll? Vote Leave no longer exists.

Fixed it now. Ta

Can you fix the other mistakes as well? 'MEP' 'the policy have been called in' etc..

LOL, you can be quite subtly bitchy when you want to be.

Essexit

TheScreamingEagles said:

Essexit said:

Wasn't it a Leave.EU poll? Vote Leave no longer exists.

Fixed it now. Ta

Welcome. And according to Left Foot Forward (not my usual news source, you'll be amazed to hear), it's very far from a proper survey. No methodology released but a rather brave claim of a sample size of 4,000 for a constituency poll. https://leftfootforward.org/2017/02/fake-news-leave-eu-publishes-junk-poll-calling-stoke-by-election-for-ukip/

TheScreamingEagles

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Essexit said:

Wasn't it a Leave.EU poll? Vote Leave no longer exists.

Fixed it now. Ta

Can you fix the other mistakes as well? 'MEP' 'the policy have been called in' etc..

I've fixed the policy one, what's the MEP one.

Chris_A

UKIP politicians up to their necks in fraudulent practices? I understand Pope Francis is not an Anglican too.

isam

Essexit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Essexit said:

Wasn't it a Leave.EU poll? Vote Leave no longer exists.

Fixed it now. Ta

Welcome. And according to Left Foot Forward (not my usual news source, you'll be amazed to hear), it's very far from a proper survey. No methodology released but a rather brave claim of a sample size of 4,000 for a constituency poll. https://leftfootforward.org/2017/02/fake-news-leave-eu-publishes-junk-poll-calling-stoke-by-election-for-ukip/

Cameron used "Left Foot Forward" in a PMQs dig at Miliband IIRC

ThreeQuidder

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Essexit said:

Wasn't it a Leave.EU poll? Vote Leave no longer exists.

Fixed it now. Ta

Can you fix the other mistakes as well? 'MEP' 'the policy have been called in' etc..

I've fixed the policy one, what's the MEP one.

This wouldn't disqualify him as an MEP, right?

Richard_Nabavi

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Essexit said:

Wasn't it a Leave.EU poll? Vote Leave no longer exists.

Fixed it now. Ta

Can you fix the other mistakes as well? 'MEP' 'the policy have been called in' etc..

I've fixed the policy one, what's the MEP one.

I think the penultimate para and the sub-title should be 'barred from being an MP.' (Of course he might be barred from being an MEP as well!).

TheScreamingEagles

Essexit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Essexit said:

Wasn't it a Leave.EU poll? Vote Leave no longer exists.

Fixed it now. Ta

Welcome. And according to Left Foot Forward (not my usual news source, you'll be amazed to hear), it's very far from a proper survey. No methodology released but a rather brave claim of a sample size of 4,000 for a constituency poll. https://leftfootforward.org/2017/02/fake-news-leave-eu-publishes-junk-poll-calling-stoke-by-election-for-ukip/

As an impartial observer told me today, so far the only public polls in Stoke have UKIP ahead is a facebook poll of 170 odd voters and this without any detail.

Plus it ain't a phone poll, there's no way you can phone poll 4,000 people in one constituency.

Danny565

ThreeQuidder said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Essexit said:

Wasn't it a Leave.EU poll? Vote Leave no longer exists.

Fixed it now. Ta

Can you fix the other mistakes as well? 'MEP' 'the policy have been called in' etc..

I've fixed the policy one, what's the MEP one.

This wouldn't disqualify him as an MEP, right?

Yes, because the punishment (IF he was found guilty) would be bans from ALL elected offices, I think.

Pong

bigjohnowls said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Why were the Letting Agency still saying it was available to let yesterday?

Never trust anything a letting agent says unless it's written down and signed by them, their manager and at least four reliable witnesses.

I think Nuttall is in the clear on this tbh.

TheScreamingEagles

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Essexit said:

Wasn't it a Leave.EU poll? Vote Leave no longer exists.

Fixed it now. Ta

Can you fix the other mistakes as well? 'MEP' 'the policy have been called in' etc..

I've fixed the policy one, what's the MEP one.

I think the penultimate para and the sub-title should be 'barred from being an MP.' (Of course he might be barred from being an MEP as well!).

He could be barred as an MEP too, a election law specialist tweeted that to Mike.

Chris_A

SimonStClare said:

Evening all.

Phil Woolas was the last MP to ‘kicked out by the courts’ - and was the first MP in 99 years.

What about Viscount Stansgate in 1961?

SouthamObserver

Such bad luck for the UKIP leader - fancy moving in to sleep on a mattress on the floor only just after the story had broken. Clearly, if Crick had left it just a couple more days Mr Nuttall would have been firmly ensconced and it would all be a complete non-story.

kle4

Big_G_NorthWales said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the rozzers are involved now, coupled with Nuttall one of eight UKIP MEPs who may have to pay back half million quid for misusing EU parliament funds, you can see how their opponents might portray UKIP as sleazy.

Will it shift any votes? Three weeks to find out.

Probably make him a hero as the establishment attempt to derail him

Maybe, even though that hardly matters if he has indeed breached the rules, rules which should be perfectly easy to follow. I'm sure if he wins and the win is voided due to the rules he or UKIP will win a followup thanks to backlash against the establishment, but if there is a breach of the rules and it is not challenged, it makes having the rules pointless.

Alistair

This self righteous wankery about how awful left wingers are and how noble right wingers are when it comes to free speach is nauseating.

A left wing protestors was fucking shot in the stomach a couple of weeks ago by a Milo supporting goon.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/25/shooting-milo-yiannopoulos-speech-seattle-charges

TheScreamingEagles

Alistair said:

This self righteous wankery about how awful left wingers are and how noble right wingers are when it comes to free speach is nauseating.

A left wing protestors was fucking shot in the stomach a couple of weeks ago by a Milo supporting goon.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/25/shooting-milo-yiannopoulos-speech-seattle-charges

Trump fans are great, I loved the silence when I pointed one of Trump's most prominent supporters was going to grab his musket if Hillary won.

isam

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Essexit said:

Wasn't it a Leave.EU poll? Vote Leave no longer exists.

Fixed it now. Ta

Can you fix the other mistakes as well? 'MEP' 'the policy have been called in' etc..

I've fixed the policy one, what's the MEP one.

I think the penultimate para and the sub-title should be 'barred from being an MP.' (Of course he might be barred from being an MEP as well!).

Careful Richard, I got 9 months for this kind of behaviour!

TheScreamingEagles

Chris_A said:

SimonStClare said:

Evening all.

Phil Woolas was the last MP to ‘kicked out by the courts’ - and was the first MP in 99 years.

What about Viscount Stansgate in 1961?

Doesn't count, Benn never became an MP by being sworn in.

Woolas was.

MarkHopkins

So what are the odds for Farage to become an MP then?

If Nuttall wins and then is disqualified, then there will be another by-election, with every chance the voters will back UKIP again.

So odds: Nuttal win > Nutall barred > Farage stands?

isam

SouthamObserver said:

Such bad luck for the UKIP leader - fancy moving in to sleep on a mattress on the floor only just after the story had broken. Clearly, if Crick had left it just a couple more days Mr Nuttall would have been firmly ensconced and it would all be a complete non-story.

Putting party politics aside, do you really think this matters? In real life I don't believe I know anyone who would think so, and anyone who admitted they did would get ripped for being a nerd!

TheScreamingEagles

MarkHopkins said:

So what are the odds for Farage to become an MP then?

If Nuttall wins and then is disqualified, then there will be another by-election, with every chance the voters will back UKIP again.

So odds: Nuttal win > Nutall barred > Farage stands?

Depends on another Michael Crick story.

We might have a Thanet South by election/rerun with the Tory MP disqualified between then.

isam

MarkHopkins said:

So what are the odds for Farage to become an MP then?

If Nuttall wins and then is disqualified, then there will be another by-election, with every chance the voters will back UKIP again.

So odds: Nuttal win > Nutall barred > Farage stands?

But he has lost 6 Westminster elections that he was about 25/1 to win, so he would lose obvs

MikeSmithson

isam said:

MarkHopkins said:

So what are the odds for Farage to become an MP then?

If Nuttall wins and then is disqualified, then there will be another by-election, with every chance the voters will back UKIP again.

So odds: Nuttal win > Nutall barred > Farage stands?

But he has lost 6 Westminster elections that he was about 25/1 to win, so he would lose obvs

HE's lost 7 Westminster elections

isam

MikeSmithson said:

isam said:

MarkHopkins said:

So what are the odds for Farage to become an MP then?

If Nuttall wins and then is disqualified, then there will be another by-election, with every chance the voters will back UKIP again.

So odds: Nuttal win > Nutall barred > Farage stands?

But he has lost 6 Westminster elections that he was about 25/1 to win, so he would lose obvs

HE's lost 7 Westminster elections

Yeah I know, but he wasn't 25/1 to win Thanet South

The "7 losing elections" stat is so misleading. It implies he was likely to win, when until Thanet South in 2015 he was just making up the numbers

Edit, perhaps in 1020 he was shorter than 25/1, but you know what I mean

Danny565

https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/827215514871152640

MikeSmithson

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Essexit said:

Wasn't it a Leave.EU poll? Vote Leave no longer exists.

Fixed it now. Ta

Can you fix the other mistakes as well? 'MEP' 'the policy have been called in' etc..

I've fixed the policy one, what's the MEP one.

I think the penultimate para and the sub-title should be 'barred from being an MP.' (Of course he might be barred from being an MEP as well!).

I think it is actually barred from all elected offices

Theuniondivvie

MarkHopkins said:

So what are the odds for Farage to become an MP then?

If Nuttall wins and then is disqualified, then there will be another by-election, with every chance the voters will back UKIP again.

So odds: Nuttal win > Nutall barred > Farage stands?

Hasn't Farage rejoined the Tories yet?

Richard_Nabavi

In all seriousness, the heart of the question is whether Nuttall does risk having the result overturned, in the event that he wins. I don't claim to be an expert in this, but my understanding is that it's too late to challenge the nomination, so he'll definitely be on the ballot, but it seems that he could be in breach of electoral law if Michael Crick is correct. Much would depend on whether any breach is seen as substantive enough to justify declaring the result void.

In itself, giving a address which is not his home address does sound pretty serious, but if he had already rented the house and was about to move in, perhaps the court would see that as sufficient.

Of course, it may be that Michael Crick is the one who is wrong and it's all fine.

kle4

Theuniondivvie said:

MarkHopkins said:

So what are the odds for Farage to become an MP then?

If Nuttall wins and then is disqualified, then there will be another by-election, with every chance the voters will back UKIP again.

So odds: Nuttal win > Nutall barred > Farage stands?

Hasn't Farage rejoined the Tories yet?

Waiting until Carswell is expelled from UKIP first perhaps?

MikeSmithson

isam said:

RobD said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Then it isn't his home?

Well I would say it is. If he had signed a tenancy agreement on the property when he called it his home, then it is his home.

Desperate stuff from Labour, makes me think they've seen more bad polling for their man.

When someone uses the term "desperate" I read "effective". This is going to hurt.

isam

Richard_Nabavi said:

In all seriousness, the heart of the question is whether Nuttall does risk having the result overturned, in the event that he wins. I don't claim to be an expert in this, but my understanding is that it's too late to challenge the nomination, so he'll definitely be on the ballot, but it seems that he could be in breach of electoral law if Michael Crick is correct. Much would depend on whether any breach is seen as substantive enough to justify declaring the result void.

In itself, giving a address which is not his home address does sound pretty serious, but if he had already rented the house and was about to move in, perhaps the court would see that as sufficient.

Of course, it may be that Michael Crick is the one who is wrong and it's all fine.

A sensible person emerges.

Honestly, to get het up over this you would have to be the Traffic Warden that other Traffic Wardens thought was a bit of a nerd

isam

MikeSmithson said:

isam said:

RobD said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Then it isn't his home?

Well I would say it is. If he had signed a tenancy agreement on the property when he called it his home, then it is his home.

Desperate stuff from Labour, makes me think they've seen more bad polling for their man.

When someone uses the term "desperate" I read "effective". This is going to hurt.

Effective Dan?

Effective Housewives!!

Effective times call for effective measures...

Reads better as "Desperate" to me

Shall we bet?!

SouthamObserver

Paging @SeanT - the Cornish Donald Trump:
http://m.plymouthherald.co.uk/watch-cornish-donald-trump-threaten-to-build-a-wall-on-the-tamar-bridge/story-30106778-detail/story.html

MikeSmithson

SouthamObserver said:

Such bad luck for the UKIP leader - fancy moving in to sleep on a mattress on the floor only just after the story had broken. Clearly, if Crick had left it just a couple more days Mr Nuttall would have been firmly ensconced and it would all be a complete non-story.

Crick is smart enough to have taken that into account

williamglenn

MikeSmithson said:

isam said:

RobD said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Then it isn't his home?

Well I would say it is. If he had signed a tenancy agreement on the property when he called it his home, then it is his home.

Desperate stuff from Labour, makes me think they've seen more bad polling for their man.

When someone uses the term "desperate" I read "effective". This is going to hurt.

I think you've put your finger on the motivation in the thread header. Why go to this much trouble to pretend to be local, when it's blindingly obvious that you're not?

MikeSmithson

SouthamObserver said:

Such bad luck for the UKIP leader - fancy moving in to sleep on a mattress on the floor only just after the story had broken. Clearly, if Crick had left it just a couple more days Mr Nuttall would have been firmly ensconced and it would all be a complete non-story.

Was he ever going to stay there? His home is less than an hour's drive away.

dr_spyn

I suppose all of Manchester is looking forward to being ruled by an Everton supporter.

bigjohnowls

TheScreamingEagles said:

Animal_pb said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarkHopkins said:

If the period for objections was over, and no-one objected then his nomination as candidate is accepted, surely.

So to report it to the police as fraud, you would have to show he intended to deceive, but if that was where he going to be living, I can't see that flying.

Thoughts only, IANAL etc.

From what I've read on election law, the term that gets bandied about a lot is 'knowingly'

Is this something he has knowingly filled in incorrectly or not.

How many people don't know where they live?

"I'm a UKIP party member, m'lud. Facts confuse me."

"Case dismissed."

Not much of a defence as he has a Doctorate.

And played all those games for Tranmere Stoke on Trent Rovers

MikeSmithson

isam said:

MikeSmithson said:

isam said:

RobD said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Then it isn't his home?

Well I would say it is. If he had signed a tenancy agreement on the property when he called it his home, then it is his home.

Desperate stuff from Labour, makes me think they've seen more bad polling for their man.

When someone uses the term "desperate" I read "effective". This is going to hurt.

Effective Dan?

Effective Housewives!!

Effective times call for effective measures...

Reads better as "Desperate" to me

Shall we bet?!

I don't bet with people on the site after losing a lot of money some time ago.

dixiedean

Richard_Nabavi said:

Danny565 said:

Can I ask, what exactly was the rationale for thinking Paul Nutall was "Labour's nightmare"? Was it ONLY that he had a Northern accent? Do the commentariat really have such a patronising view of Northerners that they thought that would be enough to sway it?

TBH I think that was exactly the rationale.

They obviously don't know what your average Northerner thinks of Scousers, then.

williamglenn

About May's commitment from Trump to NATO...

https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/status/827207396800004104

MarkSenior

Does anyone understand LeaveEU's methodology .
What does " Our polling method consists of a high volume randomised sample and the use of sophisticated AI social media techniques " actually mean when translated into English .

isam

MarkSenior said:

Does anyone understand LeaveEU's methodology .
What does " Our polling method consists of a high volume randomised sample and the use of sophisticated AI social media techniques " actually mean when translated into English .

"We are making it up"?

MikeSmithson

isam said:

MikeSmithson said:

isam said:

RobD said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Then it isn't his home?

Well I would say it is. If he had signed a tenancy agreement on the property when he called it his home, then it is his home.

Desperate stuff from Labour, makes me think they've seen more bad polling for their man.

When someone uses the term "desperate" I read "effective". This is going to hurt.

Effective Dan?

Effective Housewives!!

Effective times call for effective measures...

Reads better as "Desperate" to me

Shall we bet?!

That's your description through purple coloured specs.

The real problem is that UKIP has so little experience of FPTP elections and it shows.

SouthamObserver

isam said:

SouthamObserver said:

Such bad luck for the UKIP leader - fancy moving in to sleep on a mattress on the floor only just after the story had broken. Clearly, if Crick had left it just a couple more days Mr Nuttall would have been firmly ensconced and it would all be a complete non-story.

Putting party politics aside, do you really think this matters? In real life I don't believe I know anyone who would think so, and anyone who admitted they did would get ripped for being a nerd!

Most people think breaking the speed limit is fine. But the law is the law. Does it matter? I have no idea.. The interview that Nuttall did with Crick in which he denied everything was quite amusing as he was lying through his teeth, and it does show how amateur an operation UKIP runs. Of course, that would make a Labour defeat even more humiliating for Corbyn.

TheScreamingEagles

MarkSenior said:

Does anyone understand LeaveEU's methodology .
What does " Our polling method consists of a high volume randomised sample and the use of sophisticated AI social media techniques " actually mean when translated into English .

Facebook.

isam

MikeSmithson said:

isam said:

MikeSmithson said:

isam said:

RobD said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Then it isn't his home?

Well I would say it is. If he had signed a tenancy agreement on the property when he called it his home, then it is his home.

Desperate stuff from Labour, makes me think they've seen more bad polling for their man.

When someone uses the term "desperate" I read "effective". This is going to hurt.

Effective Dan?

Effective Housewives!!

Effective times call for effective measures...

Reads better as "Desperate" to me

Shall we bet?!

I don't bet with people on the site after losing a lot of money some time ago.

Ah ok.

So you think Nuttall will get chucked out if he wins? How do you think that will go down with voters who rejected Brexit & (if he wins) the Labour party?

Ishmael_Z

The more incompetent and feckwitted every single other person seeking to lead or represent Ukip turns out to be, the more impressive Farage's achievement in holding the whole business together for long enough to secure the Euref looks.

Alistair

MarkSenior said:

Does anyone understand LeaveEU's methodology .
What does " Our polling method consists of a high volume randomised sample and the use of sophisticated AI social media techniques " actually mean when translated into English .

Purchased X thousand ad impressions on Facebook tagetted at the constituency post code is the best I could come up with.

4000 responses though is preposterous.

dixiedean

dr_spyn said:

I suppose all of Manchester is looking forward to being ruled by an Everton supporter.

Much more palatable than an LFC one! And no, Burnham is not a Scouser, he's a woollyback, who serve the useful purpose of preventing us from living next to Scousers!

isam

SouthamObserver said:

isam said:

SouthamObserver said:

Such bad luck for the UKIP leader - fancy moving in to sleep on a mattress on the floor only just after the story had broken. Clearly, if Crick had left it just a couple more days Mr Nuttall would have been firmly ensconced and it would all be a complete non-story.

Putting party politics aside, do you really think this matters? In real life I don't believe I know anyone who would think so, and anyone who admitted they did would get ripped for being a nerd!

Most people think breaking the speed limit is fine. But the law is the law. Does it matter? I have no idea.. The interview that Nuttall did with Crick in which he denied everything was quite amusing as he was lying through his teeth, and it does show how amateur an operation UKIP runs. Of course, that would make a Labour defeat even more humiliating for Corbyn.

I think it would play into UKIPs hands if the establishment (which Labour are in Stoke having had the seat forever) try to overturn the result. But maybe not

I am honestly not trying to be argumentative here but I don't see why cars are allowed to go faster than the speed limit! It has always struck me as odd. If the govt really meant it, then don't allow cars that can go quicker than 70mph (obv wouldn't stop people breaking lower speed limits)

bigjohnowls

Traffic Wardens in Stoke confirm Paul Nuttall has never received a ticket for illegally parking at his "home"

Chris_A

isam said:

MikeSmithson said:

isam said:

MikeSmithson said:

isam said:

RobD said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Then it isn't his home?

Well I would say it is. If he had signed a tenancy agreement on the property when he called it his home, then it is his home.

Desperate stuff from Labour, makes me think they've seen more bad polling for their man.

When someone uses the term "desperate" I read "effective". This is going to hurt.

Effective Dan?

Effective Housewives!!

Effective times call for effective measures...

Reads better as "Desperate" to me

Shall we bet?!

I don't bet with people on the site after losing a lot of money some time ago.

Ah ok.

So you think Nuttall will get chucked out if he wins? How do you think that will go down with voters who rejected Brexit & (if he wins) the Labour party?

The same as 2nd Viscount Stansgate's turfing out did in 1961 (and he got 70% of the vote) - they'll just put up with it.

bigjohnowls

According to Petrol Prices . com Recent research shows that British drivers waste almost 4 days a year looking for somewhere to park.

Apparently one bloke had to park in Bootle every night until last night even though his home was in Stoke

Richard_Nabavi

bigjohnowls said:

According to Petrol Prices . com Recent research shows that British drivers waste almost 4 days a year looking for somewhere to park.

Apparently one bloke had to park in Bootle every night until last night even though his home was in Stoke

LOL!

Chris_A

TheScreamingEagles said:

Chris_A said:

SimonStClare said:

Evening all.

Phil Woolas was the last MP to ‘kicked out by the courts’ - and was the first MP in 99 years.

What about Viscount Stansgate in 1961?

Doesn't count, Benn never became an MP by being sworn in.

Woolas was.

But it was the Election Court which put Malcolm St Clair in. And he was a decent Tory who became Steward of the Chiltern Hundreds the moment the Peerage Act was enacted and did not stand in the by-election.

isam

dixiedean said:

dr_spyn said:

I suppose all of Manchester is looking forward to being ruled by an Everton supporter.

Much more palatable than an LFC one! And no, Burnham is not a Scouser, he's a woollyback, who serve the useful purpose of preventing us from living next to Scousers!

The Mayor of London supported Pakistan in the cricket as a boy, hasn't done him any harm

rural_voter

MikeSmithson said:

isam said:

MikeSmithson said:

isam said:

RobD said:

isam said:

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would think that he had rented the place but not moved in yet. So what?

Then it isn't his home?

Well I would say it is. If he had signed a tenancy agreement on the property when he called it his home, then it is his home.

Desperate stuff from Labour, makes me think they've seen more bad polling for their man.

When someone uses the term "desperate" I read "effective". This is going to hurt.

Effective Dan?

Effective Housewives!!

Effective times call for effective measures...

Reads better as "Desperate" to me

Shall we bet?!

That's your description through purple coloured specs.

The real problem is that UKIP has so little experience of FPTP elections and it shows.

UKIP caused a political earthquake with the aid of a leader, an MP and 12% of the vote.

With that record, if it now starts campaigning for PR for general elections it should only take another 5-10 years.

MarkSenior

radsatser said:

For all that I respect Mike and this site, his LibDemmery( and I use that as an insult), comes out in full flood on anything that is more than 0.000001% negative towards UKIP.

This hyper-ventilating bollocks over this apparent crime against democracy , is cringeworthy in the extreme, and worthy of the honorary title of Baby Boomer Snowflake of the Year for MIke.

Amazing how many UKIP supporters do not believe the rule of law should apply to them