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  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    @antifrank

    If you include Edward VIII then Edgar Atheling should be as neither was crowned.

    Further Henry VI did outlive Edward IV the first time round.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,299
    Honestly Dave is pretty close to losing my vote right now. Opting out of filtering is not the way to go about this. If he wants a filter then make it opt in. I hope the ISPs tell him to f-off.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    tim said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tim said:

    David Cameron ‏@David_Cameron 1m
    Join the campaign to protect our children online, and read the speech I’m about to deliver, at http://j.mp/16OoJHU #ProtectingChildren


    Oh look, you sign the petition to support "family friendly" Dave and your tickbox to get emails from the Conservative party has already been ticked for you.

    Nauseating.
    "Forward this page on to other parents"

    Beyond nauseating
    And you don't mention labour,your party if in government would be doing exactly the same,stop whining.

  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006
    Cameron's anti porn campaign is getting dangerously close to the old family values territory. What's the betting if his porn opt-in comes to fruition we'll find out within a year that 90% of the cabinet secretly opted using a false name.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    MaxPB said:

    Honestly Dave is pretty close to losing my vote right now. Opting out of filtering is not the way to go about this. If he wants a filter then make it opt in. I hope the ISPs tell him to f-off.

    We have the economy on the edge,immigration to sort out,terrorist to deal with and the tories might lose your vote for a filter.

    I give up,which ever party was in government they would be doing exactly the same.

  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    OllyT said:

    Cameron's anti porn campaign is getting dangerously close to the old family values territory. What's the betting if his porn opt-in comes to fruition we'll find out within a year that 90% of the cabinet secretly opted using a false name.

    And what if they do??
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Isabel Hardman on what today may really be about:

    "Perhaps the PM is wrong to push ahead with the plans he’s announcing today, but at least for once he is showing a bit of media aggression. If he’s able to replicate this with other policies, it will be another reason to be cheerful for the Conservative party, regardless of the details of today’s announcement."

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/07/david-camerons-porn-announcement-shows-unusual-media-aggression/

    And why the 'Great Pornwall of Witney' is unlikely to work:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/07/porn-porn-everywhere-but-will-david-camerons-proposals-actually-work/
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    BBC Propaganda @BBCPropaganda
    Nanny State wants to stop you playing chess by blocking online pawnography. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPxpgTWCAAAvZr0.jpg:large
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    This looks like another baseline poll for Populus online

    Populus VI figures: Lab 39 (↔); Cons 32 (↑1); LD 12 (↔); UKIP 9 (↓1); Oth 8 (↔). Tables popu.lu/s_vi220713
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,299


    We have the economy on the edge,immigration to sort out,terrorist to deal with and the tories might lose your vote for a filter.

    I give up,which ever party was in government they would be doing exactly the same.

    Labour had 13 years to filter porn and didn't. So you can't really throw the book at them there. That's with Catholic and Presbyterian leaders as well, so not exactly dirty porn loving atheists.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Patrick said:

    A nice explanation for BenM and other 'borrow forever' goons (and remembering that public debt is taxation deferred):

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=222858

    All roads of lefty policy lead to Detroit.

    The Detroit fallout is sensational - a judge has blocked the bankruptcy as "state law guards against retirement benefits being “diminished,” and "It’s also not honoring the (United States) president, who took (Detroit’s auto companies) out of bankruptcy.”"

    Crazy.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130719/METRO01/307190099/Ingham-County-judge-rules-Detroit-bankruptcy-withdrawn?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    And what if they do??

    It does raise the prospect of an 'opt-in' witchhunt down the line. A witchhunt the Daily Mail would doubtless relish leading....
  • NextNext Posts: 826

    As the Daily Mail are claiming victory for convincing Cameron that posing with relatives of murdered children to promote a speech, and nannying us over our internet use is a surefire way to "protect children", is this really the sort of article the Mail should have on their puritanical website?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2373112/Kourtney-Kardadshian-dresses-year-old-daughter-Penelope-mini-leopardprint-bikini-Miami-pool-day.html

    It's nothing to do with "protecting the children", the Daily Mail just don't like the competition.

    1. Daily Mail lobbies for "porn" filters.
    2. Government grants desire.
    3. Punters can only get their titillation at the Daily Mail site.
    4. ???
    5. Profit.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    What was in the news when Prince William was born:

    https://twitter.com/JamesManning4/status/359272204841660416/photo/1
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    MaxPB said:


    We have the economy on the edge,immigration to sort out,terrorist to deal with and the tories might lose your vote for a filter.

    I give up,which ever party was in government they would be doing exactly the same.

    Labour had 13 years to filter porn and didn't. So you can't really throw the book at them there. That's with Catholic and Presbyterian leaders as well, so not exactly dirty porn loving atheists.
    Labours under new management,these proposals by Cameron will be scrutinised and you may yet get what you want.

  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    MaxPB said:


    We have the economy on the edge,immigration to sort out,terrorist to deal with and the tories might lose your vote for a filter.

    I give up,which ever party was in government they would be doing exactly the same.

    Labour had 13 years to filter porn and didn't. So you can't really throw the book at them there. That's with Catholic and Presbyterian leaders as well, so not exactly dirty porn loving atheists.

    http://m.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2008/oct/26/photography-pornography-law
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Detriot News Editorial: - sounds like they had too much Miliband/Balls style deficit denial.



    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130722/OPINION01/307220006/

    "Detroit’s experience also teaches the value of confronting problems early instead of deferring them to the crisis point. Detroit has known for at least 25 years that it was headed toward a meltdown of its pension system.

    But instead of adjusting benefits and increasing payments into the system, the city kept borrowing money from the funds and refused to make rational benefits reforms"

    "Detroit also lost focus on its core mission, which should have been providing essential services to its residents. The city saw itself as a jobs provider, bloating its payroll and providing services in-house that could have been easily outsourced."

    A government that focuses on serving its taxpayers first is less likely to lose its tax base. Detroit learned that the hard way. The key lessons Detroit’s situation can teach other governments is to borrow with extreme care and don’t make promises you can’t keep."

  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786

    What was in the news when Prince William was born:

    https://twitter.com/JamesManning4/status/359272204841660416/photo/1

    Not sure you would describe a baby as being 'lusty' nowadays...

    That'll get you into all sorts of hot water, filter or no filter..
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    MaxPB said:

    Honestly Dave is pretty close to losing my vote right now.

    How many times can one politician lose your vote?
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    TGOHF said:

    Patrick said:

    A nice explanation for BenM and other 'borrow forever' goons (and remembering that public debt is taxation deferred):

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=222858

    All roads of lefty policy lead to Detroit.

    The Detroit fallout is sensational - a judge has blocked the bankruptcy as "state law guards against retirement benefits being “diminished,” and "It’s also not honoring the (United States) president, who took (Detroit’s auto companies) out of bankruptcy.”"

    Crazy.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130719/METRO01/307190099/Ingham-County-judge-rules-Detroit-bankruptcy-withdrawn?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
    So what the F are they going to do. Keep paying more and more out in unaffordable pensions and commitments whilst things just get worse and worse.

    Coming to a town and city near you soon?
  • If the lefties of the developed world think 'law guards against retirement benefits being diminished' then they are indeed in cloud-cuckoo land. But we know that anyway.

    All Ed Balls and Redward need to do is pass a 'jam forever' law in 2015 and all the UK's financial and economic issues will disppear - it'll be the law!

    FFS.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited July 2013

    TGOHF said:

    Patrick said:

    A nice explanation for BenM and other 'borrow forever' goons (and remembering that public debt is taxation deferred):

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=222858

    All roads of lefty policy lead to Detroit.

    The Detroit fallout is sensational - a judge has blocked the bankruptcy as "state law guards against retirement benefits being “diminished,” and "It’s also not honoring the (United States) president, who took (Detroit’s auto companies) out of bankruptcy.”"

    Crazy.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130719/METRO01/307190099/Ingham-County-judge-rules-Detroit-bankruptcy-withdrawn?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
    So what the F are they going to do. Keep paying more and more out in unaffordable pensions and commitments whilst things just get worse and worse.

    Coming to a town and city near you soon?
    Apparently a federal court will let them go bankrupt - just gets moved up. Then the Auto city workers union will take them to the supreme court even when the cheques stop coming.

  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    According to Buck House "Labour is progressing normally" nice to know.
  • @Slackbladder

    The productive citizens of Detroit left a while ago. The public sector employees and retirees are going to learn the hard way that they got what they voted for (51 years of one party lefty corruption and unions in charge). Lefties just can't seem to grasp the concept of public sector bankruptcy - they should holiday in Greece and Detroit to learn what it means.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Patrick said:

    A nice explanation for BenM and other 'borrow forever' goons (and remembering that public debt is taxation deferred):

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=222858

    All roads of lefty policy lead to Detroit.

    The Detroit fallout is sensational - a judge has blocked the bankruptcy as "state law guards against retirement benefits being “diminished,” and "It’s also not honoring the (United States) president, who took (Detroit’s auto companies) out of bankruptcy.”"

    Crazy.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130719/METRO01/307190099/Ingham-County-judge-rules-Detroit-bankruptcy-withdrawn?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
    So what the F are they going to do. Keep paying more and more out in unaffordable pensions and commitments whilst things just get worse and worse.

    Coming to a town and city near you soon?
    Then the Auto workers union will take them to the supreme court even when the cheques stop coming.

    Why would auto workers' unions take action over the reduction of benefits from public pension plans?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Patrick said:

    A nice explanation for BenM and other 'borrow forever' goons (and remembering that public debt is taxation deferred):

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=222858

    All roads of lefty policy lead to Detroit.

    The Detroit fallout is sensational - a judge has blocked the bankruptcy as "state law guards against retirement benefits being “diminished,” and "It’s also not honoring the (United States) president, who took (Detroit’s auto companies) out of bankruptcy.”"

    Crazy.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130719/METRO01/307190099/Ingham-County-judge-rules-Detroit-bankruptcy-withdrawn?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
    So what the F are they going to do. Keep paying more and more out in unaffordable pensions and commitments whilst things just get worse and worse.

    Coming to a town and city near you soon?
    Then the Auto workers union will take them to the supreme court even when the cheques stop coming.

    Why would auto workers' unions take action over the reduction of benefits from public pension plans?
    Dur - when whatever the union is - they are all the same right ?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    The big question is ......

    Will the Duchess's labour last longer than a pair of Aussie test innings ?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TGOHF said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Patrick said:

    A nice explanation for BenM and other 'borrow forever' goons (and remembering that public debt is taxation deferred):

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=222858

    All roads of lefty policy lead to Detroit.

    The Detroit fallout is sensational - a judge has blocked the bankruptcy as "state law guards against retirement benefits being “diminished,” and "It’s also not honoring the (United States) president, who took (Detroit’s auto companies) out of bankruptcy.”"

    Crazy.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130719/METRO01/307190099/Ingham-County-judge-rules-Detroit-bankruptcy-withdrawn?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
    So what the F are they going to do. Keep paying more and more out in unaffordable pensions and commitments whilst things just get worse and worse.

    Coming to a town and city near you soon?
    Then the Auto workers union will take them to the supreme court even when the cheques stop coming.

    Why would auto workers' unions take action over the reduction of benefits from public pension plans?
    they are all the same right ?
    Are we still talking about unions?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,423
    JackW said:

    The big question is ......

    Will the Duchess's labour last longer than a pair of Aussie test innings ?

    Going to the Christening?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Patrick said:

    A nice explanation for BenM and other 'borrow forever' goons (and remembering that public debt is taxation deferred):

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=222858

    All roads of lefty policy lead to Detroit.

    The Detroit fallout is sensational - a judge has blocked the bankruptcy as "state law guards against retirement benefits being “diminished,” and "It’s also not honoring the (United States) president, who took (Detroit’s auto companies) out of bankruptcy.”"

    Crazy.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130719/METRO01/307190099/Ingham-County-judge-rules-Detroit-bankruptcy-withdrawn?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
    So what the F are they going to do. Keep paying more and more out in unaffordable pensions and commitments whilst things just get worse and worse.

    Coming to a town and city near you soon?
    Then the Auto workers union will take them to the supreme court even when the cheques stop coming.

    Why would auto workers' unions take action over the reduction of benefits from public pension plans?
    they are all the same right ?
    Are we still talking about unions?
    Yes. The union of HRH the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and their issue !!

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    tim said:

    Populus ‏@PopulusPolls 8m
    Populus VI figures: Lab 39 (↔); Cons 32 (↑1); LD 12 (↔); UKIP 9 (↓1); Oth 8 (↔). Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi220713

    All the figures look near the consensus of where we are. Their turnout data looks plausible too (51% certain to vote, otherwise spread across the range).
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    The big question is ......

    Will the Duchess's labour last longer than a pair of Aussie test innings ?

    Going to the Christening?
    Indeed I am .... in a few weeks time.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,299
    Neil said:

    MaxPB said:

    Honestly Dave is pretty close to losing my vote right now.

    How many times can one politician lose your vote?
    Many times. ;)
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    I can't think of any better way to create a generation of hackers than putting a bunch of network security measures between 14-year-old boys and their porn.

    POTD!
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    MaxPB said:

    Neil said:

    MaxPB said:

    Honestly Dave is pretty close to losing my vote right now.

    How many times can one politician lose your vote?
    Many times. ;)
    I must have missed your defection back from Labour (if indeed there was just the one)!
  • And, as ever in America, race is the unspoken issue bubbling away underneath Detroit’s astonishing collapse. It used to be a successful white working class city with the highest wages in the USA. It is now a black public sector sewer. The 1967 riots (triggered by blacks vs a very white and harsh police force) were devastating and caused the start of white flight, lefty hegemony and endless deficits. That is a statement of fact – blame I leave to others. I expect tim will find a way to blame Maggie or Dave.

    Any future for Detroit (and I’m personally not really sure there is one) will somehow need to deal with the race issue as well as the financial ones – so an absolute stinker of a problem for someone to have a go at. How do you persuade colour blind businesses back into a simmering black war zone where even the police advise you not to come (check out Detroit’s crime stats, literacy rates, etc)?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,423
    JackW said:

    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    The big question is ......

    Will the Duchess's labour last longer than a pair of Aussie test innings ?

    Going to the Christening?
    Indeed I am .... in a few weeks time.

    We'll be expecting a detailed account of the post Christening buffet. ;)
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    With young Nick Palmer with us perhaps the royal baby will be like named - HRH Prince Broxtowe of Cambridge :

    Odds - 5000/1
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    The big question is ......

    Will the Duchess's labour last longer than a pair of Aussie test innings ?

    Going to the Christening?
    Indeed I am .... in a few weeks time.

    We'll be expecting a detailed account of the post Christening buffet. ;)
    Buffet !! .... buffet !! .... I'm not aware the catering has been outsourced to British Rail !!

  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    Patrick said:

    And, as ever in America, race is the unspoken issue bubbling away underneath Detroit’s astonishing collapse. It used to be a successful white working class city with the highest wages in the USA. It is now a black public sector sewer. The 1967 riots (triggered by blacks vs a very white and harsh police force) were devastating and caused the start of white flight, lefty hegemony and endless deficits. That is a statement of fact – blame I leave to others. I expect tim will find a way to blame Maggie or Dave.

    Any future for Detroit (and I’m personally not really sure there is one) will somehow need to deal with the race issue as well as the financial ones – so an absolute stinker of a problem for someone to have a go at. How do you persuade colour blind businesses back into a simmering black war zone where even the police advise you not to come (check out Detroit’s crime stats, literacy rates, etc)?

    The only way is to find someway, anyway of bringing investment into the town. Which is why its so important to any town, or country to listen to those mobile, able workers and firms.

    We're in global competition. Detroit couldn't even cope on a national level.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Patrick said:

    And, as ever in America, race is the unspoken issue bubbling away underneath Detroit’s astonishing collapse. It used to be a successful white working class city with the highest wages in the USA. It is now a black public sector sewer. The 1967 riots (triggered by blacks vs a very white and harsh police force) were devastating and caused the start of white flight, lefty hegemony and endless deficits. That is a statement of fact – blame I leave to others. I expect tim will find a way to blame Maggie or Dave.

    Any future for Detroit (and I’m personally not really sure there is one) will somehow need to deal with the race issue as well as the financial ones – so an absolute stinker of a problem for someone to have a go at. How do you persuade colour blind businesses back into a simmering black war zone where even the police advise you not to come (check out Detroit’s crime stats, literacy rates, etc)?

    Usual ZH caveats apply but eye popping none the less

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-21/25-facts-about-fall-detroit-will-leave-you-shaking-your-head

    12) Detroit was once the fourth-largest city in the United States, but over the past 60 years the population of Detroit has fallen by 63 percent.

    9) An astounding 47 percent of the residents of the city of Detroit are functionally illiterate.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    edited July 2013
    Oyez, Oyez, Hear Ye This:

    Our instructions from the Ministry:

    Flag flying instructions: Royal birth

    Should the birth announcement be made before 1000 hours: flags should be flown immediately at full mast until 2000 hours.

    Should the birth announcement be made after 1001 hours: flags should be flown at full mast the next working day from 0800 hours until 2000 hours.

    Local authorities are not bound by this request but may wish to follow it for guidance. Devolved administrations are responsible for issuing instructions for the flying of the Union Flag on buildings in their estate and others as necessary.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,423
    JackW said:

    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    The big question is ......

    Will the Duchess's labour last longer than a pair of Aussie test innings ?

    Going to the Christening?
    Indeed I am .... in a few weeks time.

    We'll be expecting a detailed account of the post Christening buffet. ;)
    Buffet !! .... buffet !! .... I'm not aware the catering has been outsourced to British Rail !!

    In these austere times we all have to make sacrifices.

    A buffet in the upstairs room of the Pig And Whistle will be quite sufficient. ;)
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,953
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Patrick said:

    A nice explanation for BenM and other 'borrow forever' goons (and remembering that public debt is taxation deferred):

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=222858

    All roads of lefty policy lead to Detroit.

    The Detroit fallout is sensational - a judge has blocked the bankruptcy as "state law guards against retirement benefits being “diminished,” and "It’s also not honoring the (United States) president, who took (Detroit’s auto companies) out of bankruptcy.”"

    Crazy.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130719/METRO01/307190099/Ingham-County-judge-rules-Detroit-bankruptcy-withdrawn?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
    So what the F are they going to do. Keep paying more and more out in unaffordable pensions and commitments whilst things just get worse and worse.

    Coming to a town and city near you soon?
    Apparently a federal court will let them go bankrupt - just gets moved up. Then the Auto workers union will take them to the supreme court even when the cheques stop coming.

    I'd say it'd be brave to second-guess what any court might decide in this case. That said, Detroit is hardly the first US city to go bust - though it is the largest. There must be precedent.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Patrick said:

    And, as ever in America, race is the unspoken issue bubbling away underneath Detroit’s astonishing collapse. It used to be a successful white working class city with the highest wages in the USA. It is now a black public sector sewer. The 1967 riots (triggered by blacks vs a very white and harsh police force) were devastating and caused the start of white flight, lefty hegemony and endless deficits. That is a statement of fact – blame I leave to others. I expect tim will find a way to blame Maggie or Dave.

    Any future for Detroit (and I’m personally not really sure there is one) will somehow need to deal with the race issue as well as the financial ones – so an absolute stinker of a problem for someone to have a go at. How do you persuade colour blind businesses back into a simmering black war zone where even the police advise you not to come (check out Detroit’s crime stats, literacy rates, etc)?

    The only way is to find someway, anyway of bringing investment into the town. Which is why its so important to any town, or country to listen to those mobile, able workers and firms.

    We're in global competition. Detroit couldn't even cope on a national level.
    Suggest just bulldozing all the derelict areas might be a better solution.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Patrick said:

    A nice explanation for BenM and other 'borrow forever' goons (and remembering that public debt is taxation deferred):

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=222858

    All roads of lefty policy lead to Detroit.

    The Detroit fallout is sensational - a judge has blocked the bankruptcy as "state law guards against retirement benefits being “diminished,” and "It’s also not honoring the (United States) president, who took (Detroit’s auto companies) out of bankruptcy.”"

    Crazy.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130719/METRO01/307190099/Ingham-County-judge-rules-Detroit-bankruptcy-withdrawn?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
    So what the F are they going to do. Keep paying more and more out in unaffordable pensions and commitments whilst things just get worse and worse.

    Coming to a town and city near you soon?
    Apparently a federal court will let them go bankrupt - just gets moved up. Then the Auto workers union will take them to the supreme court even when the cheques stop coming.

    I'd say it'd be brave to second-guess what any court might decide in this case. That said, Detroit is hardly the first US city to go bust - though it is the largest. There must be precedent.
    Stockton got bankruptcy - different state though

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21997802

    "Stockton's largest debt is $900m owed to the California Public Employees' Retirement System to cover pension promises. The city has kept up with pension payments at the expense of other debt"
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    TGOHF said:

    Patrick said:

    And, as ever in America, race is the unspoken issue bubbling away underneath Detroit’s astonishing collapse. It used to be a successful white working class city with the highest wages in the USA. It is now a black public sector sewer. The 1967 riots (triggered by blacks vs a very white and harsh police force) were devastating and caused the start of white flight, lefty hegemony and endless deficits. That is a statement of fact – blame I leave to others. I expect tim will find a way to blame Maggie or Dave.

    Any future for Detroit (and I’m personally not really sure there is one) will somehow need to deal with the race issue as well as the financial ones – so an absolute stinker of a problem for someone to have a go at. How do you persuade colour blind businesses back into a simmering black war zone where even the police advise you not to come (check out Detroit’s crime stats, literacy rates, etc)?

    The only way is to find someway, anyway of bringing investment into the town. Which is why its so important to any town, or country to listen to those mobile, able workers and firms.

    We're in global competition. Detroit couldn't even cope on a national level.
    Suggest just bulldozing all the derelict areas might be a better solution.
    Theres no money for even that it seems...
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,953
    JohnO said:

    Oyez, Oyez, Hear Ye This:

    Our instructions from the Ministry:

    Flag flying instructions: Royal birth

    Should the birth announcement be made before 1000 hours: flags should be flown immediately at full mast until 2000 hours.

    Should the birth announcement be made after 1001 hours: flags should be flown at full mast the next working day from 0800 hours until 2000 hours.

    And if it's made at 10:00:30?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,573
    edited July 2013
    JohnO said:

    Oyez, Oyez, Hear Ye This:

    Our instructions from the Ministry:

    Flag flying instructions: Royal birth

    Should the birth announcement be made before 1000 hours: flags should be flown immediately at full mast until 2000 hours.

    Should the birth announcement be made after 1001 hours: flags should be flown at full mast the next working day from 0800 hours until 2000 hours.

    Local authorities are not bound by this request but may wish to follow it for guidance. Devolved administrations are responsible for issuing instructions for the flying of the Union Flag on buildings in their estate and others as necessary.

    What happens if 'events' take place that mean the flag needs to be flown at half mast, at the same time as full mast 'events'. Which takes priority ?
  • NextNext Posts: 826
    TGOHF said:

    Patrick said:

    And, as ever in America, race is the unspoken issue bubbling away underneath Detroit’s astonishing collapse. It used to be a successful white working class city with the highest wages in the USA. It is now a black public sector sewer. The 1967 riots (triggered by blacks vs a very white and harsh police force) were devastating and caused the start of white flight, lefty hegemony and endless deficits. That is a statement of fact – blame I leave to others. I expect tim will find a way to blame Maggie or Dave.

    Any future for Detroit (and I’m personally not really sure there is one) will somehow need to deal with the race issue as well as the financial ones – so an absolute stinker of a problem for someone to have a go at. How do you persuade colour blind businesses back into a simmering black war zone where even the police advise you not to come (check out Detroit’s crime stats, literacy rates, etc)?

    Usual ZH caveats apply but eye popping none the less

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-21/25-facts-about-fall-detroit-will-leave-you-shaking-your-head

    12) Detroit was once the fourth-largest city in the United States, but over the past 60 years the population of Detroit has fallen by 63 percent.

    9) An astounding 47 percent of the residents of the city of Detroit are functionally illiterate.
    I guess they will have to introduce Detroit Dollars, and print their own money.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    The big question is ......

    Will the Duchess's labour last longer than a pair of Aussie test innings ?

    Going to the Christening?
    Indeed I am .... in a few weeks time.

    We'll be expecting a detailed account of the post Christening buffet. ;)
    Buffet !! .... buffet !! .... I'm not aware the catering has been outsourced to British Rail !!

    In these austere times we all have to make sacrifices.

    A buffet in the upstairs room of the Pig And Whistle will be quite sufficient. ;)
    We may trim the bolly by a bottle or two but Mrs JackW will not be happy .... so perhaps we'll cancel the gherkins order instead just to show solidarity !!

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Next said:

    TGOHF said:

    Patrick said:

    And, as ever in America, race is the unspoken issue bubbling away underneath Detroit’s astonishing collapse. It used to be a successful white working class city with the highest wages in the USA. It is now a black public sector sewer. The 1967 riots (triggered by blacks vs a very white and harsh police force) were devastating and caused the start of white flight, lefty hegemony and endless deficits. That is a statement of fact – blame I leave to others. I expect tim will find a way to blame Maggie or Dave.

    Any future for Detroit (and I’m personally not really sure there is one) will somehow need to deal with the race issue as well as the financial ones – so an absolute stinker of a problem for someone to have a go at. How do you persuade colour blind businesses back into a simmering black war zone where even the police advise you not to come (check out Detroit’s crime stats, literacy rates, etc)?

    Usual ZH caveats apply but eye popping none the less

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-21/25-facts-about-fall-detroit-will-leave-you-shaking-your-head

    12) Detroit was once the fourth-largest city in the United States, but over the past 60 years the population of Detroit has fallen by 63 percent.

    9) An astounding 47 percent of the residents of the city of Detroit are functionally illiterate.
    I guess they will have to introduce Detroit Dollars, and print their own money.
    Pensioners will get cents in the dollar - should be a huge boost in morale for existing city workers ;)




  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,709
    JonathanD said:

    MaxPB said:


    We have the economy on the edge,immigration to sort out,terrorist to deal with and the tories might lose your vote for a filter.

    I give up,which ever party was in government they would be doing exactly the same.

    Labour had 13 years to filter porn and didn't. So you can't really throw the book at them there. That's with Catholic and Presbyterian leaders as well, so not exactly dirty porn loving atheists.
    http://m.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2008/oct/26/photography-pornography-law
    Right, and dumb as this stuff is none of it remotely compares to the evil of things like the key disclosure provisions in RIPA (2000).

    BTW, people who have been demanding that Labour produce some policies, can you see the problem now? They won't announce policies unless they sound good to the media, and policies that sound good to the media are very likely to be bad in practice, or they'd already have been done. So if you want Labour to announce policies you're asking them to announce things that sound good but work badly, and to make matters worse since they're popular the current government will nick them, so you end up enacting the worst policies that Labour can dream up, immediately, and there's nothing the voters can do about it.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Detroit could spark a domino effect. Chicago and LA have similar huge liabilities, according to news reports.

    Its all the fault of white working people, according to the Guardian.

    They have moved out instead of staying to be taxed, insulted, mugged, burgled and murdered.

    How dare they?
  • Rexel56Rexel56 Posts: 807
    Headline currently on BBC News website...

    Baby's ethnicity 'hard to determine'

    Seems a bit presumptuous...
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    taffys said:

    Detroit could spark a domino effect. Chicago and LA have similar huge liabilities, according to news reports.

    Its all the fault of white working people, according to the Guardian.

    They have moved out instead of staying to be taxed, insulted, mugged, burgled and murdered.

    How dare they?

    White flight doesn't exist...haven't you learned anything....
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    taffys said:

    Detroit could spark a domino effect. Chicago and LA have similar huge liabilities, according to news reports.

    Its all the fault of white working people, according to the Guardian.

    They have moved out instead of staying to be taxed, insulted, mugged, burgled and murdered.

    How dare they?

    You inventing white flight ? timmy has proved it is a figment of bigot's imagination.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,709

    Patrick said:

    And, as ever in America, race is the unspoken issue bubbling away underneath Detroit’s astonishing collapse. It used to be a successful white working class city with the highest wages in the USA. It is now a black public sector sewer. The 1967 riots (triggered by blacks vs a very white and harsh police force) were devastating and caused the start of white flight, lefty hegemony and endless deficits. That is a statement of fact – blame I leave to others. I expect tim will find a way to blame Maggie or Dave.

    Any future for Detroit (and I’m personally not really sure there is one) will somehow need to deal with the race issue as well as the financial ones – so an absolute stinker of a problem for someone to have a go at. How do you persuade colour blind businesses back into a simmering black war zone where even the police advise you not to come (check out Detroit’s crime stats, literacy rates, etc)?

    The only way is to find someway, anyway of bringing investment into the town. Which is why its so important to any town, or country to listen to those mobile, able workers and firms.

    We're in global competition. Detroit couldn't even cope on a national level.
    Matt Yglesias's solution is to let in immigrants who wouldn't otherwise be allowed to work in the US, on the condition that they live in Detroit for a few years.
    http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2010/06/21/197634/the-regrettably-impossible-alternative-to-shrinking-detroit/?mobile=nc
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    JonathanD said:

    MaxPB said:


    We have the economy on the edge,immigration to sort out,terrorist to deal with and the tories might lose your vote for a filter.

    I give up,which ever party was in government they would be doing exactly the same.

    Labour had 13 years to filter porn and didn't. So you can't really throw the book at them there. That's with Catholic and Presbyterian leaders as well, so not exactly dirty porn loving atheists.
    http://m.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2008/oct/26/photography-pornography-law
    Right, and dumb as this stuff is none of it remotely compares to the evil of things like the key disclosure provisions in RIPA (2000).

    BTW, people who have been demanding that Labour produce some policies, can you see the problem now? They won't announce policies unless they sound good to the media, and policies that sound good to the media are very likely to be bad in practice, or they'd already have been done. So if you want Labour to announce policies you're asking them to announce things that sound good but work badly, and to make matters worse since they're popular the current government will nick them, so you end up enacting the worst policies that Labour can dream up, immediately, and there's nothing the voters can do about it.
    That's politics ;-)

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,573
    edited July 2013
    Rexel56 said:

    Headline currently on BBC News website...

    Baby's ethnicity 'hard to determine'

    Seems a bit presumptuous...

    I don't see anything like that...
    The world would certainly be shocked if there was no Germanic lineage in the father's side though.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786

    Patrick said:

    And, as ever in America, race is the unspoken issue bubbling away underneath Detroit’s astonishing collapse. It used to be a successful white working class city with the highest wages in the USA. It is now a black public sector sewer. The 1967 riots (triggered by blacks vs a very white and harsh police force) were devastating and caused the start of white flight, lefty hegemony and endless deficits. That is a statement of fact – blame I leave to others. I expect tim will find a way to blame Maggie or Dave.

    Any future for Detroit (and I’m personally not really sure there is one) will somehow need to deal with the race issue as well as the financial ones – so an absolute stinker of a problem for someone to have a go at. How do you persuade colour blind businesses back into a simmering black war zone where even the police advise you not to come (check out Detroit’s crime stats, literacy rates, etc)?

    The only way is to find someway, anyway of bringing investment into the town. Which is why its so important to any town, or country to listen to those mobile, able workers and firms.

    We're in global competition. Detroit couldn't even cope on a national level.
    Matt Yglesias's solution is to let in immigrants who wouldn't otherwise be allowed to work in the US, on the condition that they live in Detroit for a few years.
    http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2010/06/21/197634/the-regrettably-impossible-alternative-to-shrinking-detroit/?mobile=nc
    Yeah but to do what... it's not as if labour is detroits problem is it? Its got too much labour and not enough work...so lets bring in more labour??

    All that does is to bring the US closer (and lower) to a level of a third world state...
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    taffys said:

    Detroit could spark a domino effect. Chicago and LA have similar huge liabilities, according to news reports.

    Its all the fault of white working people, according to the Guardian.

    They have moved out instead of staying to be taxed, insulted, mugged, burgled and murdered.

    How dare they?


    I can't imagine Chicago or LA would be following Detroit anytime soon. I was in Detroit briefly in 2006 and its one weird city with a small central zone of activity and a ring of poverty. The rest of Michigan is nice however and I would guess a lot of economic activity that used to take place in Detroit has simply moved elsewhere in Michigan.

    Chicago on the other hand has plenty of economic activity going on inside of it and so will be able to support its liabilities for alot longer.

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    You inventing white flight ? timmy has proved it is a figment of bigot's imagination.

    Must be those foam flecked ranters at the Guardian, misleading us again....
  • Rexel56Rexel56 Posts: 807
    Pulpstar said:

    Rexel56 said:

    Headline currently on BBC News website...

    Baby's ethnicity 'hard to determine'

    Seems a bit presumptuous...

    I don't see anything like that...
    Below the UK and Local News header

  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,709

    Patrick said:

    And, as ever in America, race is the unspoken issue bubbling away underneath Detroit’s astonishing collapse. It used to be a successful white working class city with the highest wages in the USA. It is now a black public sector sewer. The 1967 riots (triggered by blacks vs a very white and harsh police force) were devastating and caused the start of white flight, lefty hegemony and endless deficits. That is a statement of fact – blame I leave to others. I expect tim will find a way to blame Maggie or Dave.

    Any future for Detroit (and I’m personally not really sure there is one) will somehow need to deal with the race issue as well as the financial ones – so an absolute stinker of a problem for someone to have a go at. How do you persuade colour blind businesses back into a simmering black war zone where even the police advise you not to come (check out Detroit’s crime stats, literacy rates, etc)?

    The only way is to find someway, anyway of bringing investment into the town. Which is why its so important to any town, or country to listen to those mobile, able workers and firms.

    We're in global competition. Detroit couldn't even cope on a national level.
    Matt Yglesias's solution is to let in immigrants who wouldn't otherwise be allowed to work in the US, on the condition that they live in Detroit for a few years.
    http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2010/06/21/197634/the-regrettably-impossible-alternative-to-shrinking-detroit/?mobile=nc
    Yeah but to do what... it's not as if labour is detroits problem is it? Its got too much labour and not enough work...so lets bring in more labour??

    All that does is to bring the US closer (and lower) to a level of a third world state...
    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy
  • NextNext Posts: 826
    A women took a horse she was riding into McDonald's.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-23403935

    Probably lucky they didn't cook it.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited July 2013
    Angry Flat Cap ‏@angryflatcap 6h

    NEWS OUTLETS: trying to gauge how enthused the British public are about the royal baby? Use this handy flow diagram. http://pic.twitter.com/d7T3YpyF5t
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786

    Patrick said:

    And, as ever in America, race is the unspoken issue bubbling away underneath Detroit’s astonishing collapse. It used to be a successful white working class city with the highest wages in the USA. It is now a black public sector sewer. The 1967 riots (triggered by blacks vs a very white and harsh police force) were devastating and caused the start of white flight, lefty hegemony and endless deficits. That is a statement of fact – blame I leave to others. I expect tim will find a way to blame Maggie or Dave.

    The only way is to find someway, anyway of bringing investment into the town. Which is why its so important to any town, or country to listen to those mobile, able workers and firms.

    We're in global competition. Detroit couldn't even cope on a national level.
    Matt Yglesias's solution is to let in immigrants who wouldn't otherwise be allowed to work in the US, on the condition that they live in Detroit for a few years.
    http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2010/06/21/197634/the-regrettably-impossible-alternative-to-shrinking-detroit/?mobile=nc
    Yeah but to do what... it's not as if labour is detroits problem is it? Its got too much labour and not enough work...so lets bring in more labour??

    All that does is to bring the US closer (and lower) to a level of a third world state...
    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy
    And? How is bringing non-taxing people from third world countries into Detroit going to create jobs, or pay taxes when you don't have a functioning economy.

    In a functioning economy where you have the ability for increased investment, then maybe this might work...but you already have huge levels of unemployment.. so clearly there is no demand for labour there already.

    Just because there's a economy theory of it, doesn't mean it is right in all areas and all places.
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited July 2013
    [Deleted - Next has already posted]

  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,709

    Patrick said:

    And, as ever in America, race is the unspoken issue bubbling away underneath Detroit’s astonishing collapse. It used to be a successful white working class city with the highest wages in the USA. It is now a black public sector sewer. The 1967 riots (triggered by blacks vs a very white and harsh police force) were devastating and caused the start of white flight, lefty hegemony and endless deficits. That is a statement of fact – blame I leave to others. I expect tim will find a way to blame Maggie or Dave.

    The only way is to find someway, anyway of bringing investment into the town. Which is why its so important to any town, or country to listen to those mobile, able workers and firms.

    We're in global competition. Detroit couldn't even cope on a national level.
    Matt Yglesias's solution is to let in immigrants who wouldn't otherwise be allowed to work in the US, on the condition that they live in Detroit for a few years.
    http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2010/06/21/197634/the-regrettably-impossible-alternative-to-shrinking-detroit/?mobile=nc
    Yeah but to do what... it's not as if labour is detroits problem is it? Its got too much labour and not enough work...so lets bring in more labour??

    All that does is to bring the US closer (and lower) to a level of a third world state...
    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy
    And? How is bringing non-taxing people from third world countries into Detroit going to create jobs, or pay taxes when you don't have a functioning economy.

    In a functioning economy where you have the ability for increased investment, then maybe this might work...but you already have huge levels of unemployment.. so clearly there is no demand for labour there already.

    Just because there's a economy theory of it, doesn't mean it is right in all areas and all places.
    Disagree, put four ambitious, self-starting people together somewhere with property rights and rudimentary rule of law and they'll create an economy.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786

    Patrick said:

    And, as ever in America, race is the unspoken issue bubbling away underneath Detroit’s astonishing collapse. It used to be a successful white working class city with the highest wages in the USA. It is now a black public sector sewer. The 1967 riots (triggered by blacks vs a very white and harsh police force) were devastating and caused the start of white flight, lefty hegemony and endless deficits. That is a statement of fact – blame I leave to others. I expect tim will find a way to blame Maggie or Dave.

    The only way is to find someway, anyway of bringing investment into the town. Which is why its so important to any town, or country to listen to those mobile, able workers and firms.

    We're in global competition. Detroit couldn't even cope on a national level.
    Matt Yglesias's solution is to let in immigrants who wouldn't otherwise be allowed to work in the US, on the condition that they live in Detroit for a few years.
    http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2010/06/21/197634/the-regrettably-impossible-alternative-to-shrinking-detroit/?mobile=nc
    All that does is to bring the US closer (and lower) to a level of a third world state...
    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy
    And? How is bringing non-taxing people from third world countries into Detroit going to create jobs, or pay taxes when you don't have a functioning economy.

    In a functioning economy where you have the ability for increased investment, then maybe this might work...but you already have huge levels of unemployment.. so clearly there is no demand for labour there already.

    Just because there's a economy theory of it, doesn't mean it is right in all areas and all places.
    Disagree, put four ambitious, self-starting people together somewhere with property rights and rudimentary rule of law and they'll create an economy.
    Put four ambitious people, and 100 non ambitious people, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
  • Has the POTUS ever read Orwell's 1984?

    In October of 2012, President Barack Obama triumphantly declared he “refused to throw in the towel” and “let Detroit go bankrupt.”

    In January 2009, the president signed an executive order to close the U.S. prison camp. But four years later, the prison remains open.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    JonathanD said:

    MaxPB said:


    We have the economy on the edge,immigration to sort out,terrorist to deal with and the tories might lose your vote for a filter.

    I give up,which ever party was in government they would be doing exactly the same.

    Labour had 13 years to filter porn and didn't. So you can't really throw the book at them there. That's with Catholic and Presbyterian leaders as well, so not exactly dirty porn loving atheists.
    http://m.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2008/oct/26/photography-pornography-law
    BTW, people who have been demanding that Labour produce some policies, can you see the problem now? They won't announce policies unless they sound good to the media.......
    Right on cue, Yvette was on R4 complaining that the government should have gone further faster......tho she did have one sensible point about sex education....
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    For any conservative member or supporter on pb

    We're not evil, just wicked - Owen Jones' generosity (and logic) falls a bit short

    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/leftwatch/2013/07/were-not-evil-just-wicked-owen-jones-generosity-and-logic-falls-a-bit-short.html

    This lad does make me laugh ;-)
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Patrick

    'The 1967 riots (triggered by blacks vs a very white and harsh police force) were devastating and caused the start of white flight, lefty hegemony and endless deficits. That is a statement of fact – blame I leave to others.
    I expect tim will find a way to blame Maggie or Dave.

    No,Tim will go for millionaires & old Etonians.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    On topic.
    I don't think that Nigel Farage knows which constituency he'll go for yet, theres an awful lot of organising to do.

    I myself will be going to a UKIP hustings to pick London MEP's this coming Saturday. It will be the first one I'll attend; I will let you know how it pans out.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    More on that North Korean ship seized by Panama 2 weeks ago:

    http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130722/DEFREG03/307220017?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    It seems there were Mig 21 jets on board as well as rockets.
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